| This is a shounen CGDCT, so expecting some noticeable yuri from it is useless. So, if this is the main thing that you expect from this anime, then this is not the case. |
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Well i love Yuri and try to seek it out as much as i can,, and i haven't read the manga ,, But it look like it have Yuri elements,, Love it going to watch it when in comes out,, Im sure its going to be a lot of lesbian fun =) ,,,The picture tells me then we may have a lesbian couple in that anime!!! |
Yuri-CrusaderJul 4, 2019 4:08 AM
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| @Yuri-Crusader In later chapters, male characters will join their club. It's shonen, so don't count on a lot, lol. |
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RobertBobert said: @Yuri-Crusader In later chapters, male characters will join their club. It's shonen, so don't count on a lot, lol. There are a lot males in Yuri, Some have bigger impact then others ,,Then we also have different opinions how a Yuri shall be, Im a pure Yuri lover and dont accepts males,, BUT thats my taste a lot of people dont share that,,so its more a personal quirk for me And i read the 3 first chapters and you are wrong my friend, The manga was even more Yuri then i could dream of,,, A lot of female love in there and does girls are lesbians ,, My lesbian super radar have start beeping and this anime is going to be a grand Yuri with lesbian kissing ,, and im going to bark until that happens as i always do =) All girls in anime are lesbians until proven otherwise |
Yuri-CrusaderJul 5, 2019 4:32 AM
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| @Yuri-Crusader Your talent for self-conviction is simply wonderful. Anyway, in the first chapter, they refer to the fact that their school is co-ed as an opportunity for love, lol. |
RobertBobertJul 5, 2019 1:16 AM
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RobertBobert said: @Yuri-Crusader Your talent for self-conviction is simply wonderful. Anyway, in the first chapter, they refer to the fact that their school is co-ed as an opportunity for love, lol. Yeh it say ,, ""So im sure love will blossom soon"",,, then the other girl,, look at her with dreaming eyes and hearts are above her head,, and say ,,, ""I know right"",,,And give her more horny looks,, Lesbian love is love and they never say its heterosexual love =) ,, and the way she looks at her friend,,, My lesbian radar is going wild ,, Their are lesbian im sure of it ,, And she even ask her out on a date right after so =) they are sooo cute Its very common in Yuri you dont say lesbian or gay flat out right because its still kind of tabu in Japan ,, its more common they use phrases like love but dont specific witch kind love their are referring to ,, So that conversation only strengthen my beliefs that it is going to be a Yuri or have strong Yuri elements |
Yuri-CrusaderJul 5, 2019 1:57 AM
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| @Yuri-Crusader Well, keep convincing yourself if you like it so much, lol. This is not my problem. |
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| Looks like the plot story same as Asobi Asobase. I don't think there is a Yuri in here |
| Unless it's explicitly a yuri romance, then any "yuri" in it is simply going to be baiting and fanservice. |
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| Man not everything that has many female characters in it has to be yuri, people. Appreciate the story the writer gave you, not the pointless yuri high school romance you wish it were. |
GoldenChrysus said: Man not everything that has many female characters in it has to be yuri, people. Appreciate the story the writer gave you, not the pointless yuri high school romance you wish it were. Nah, you are just new to the western CGDCT fandom. If the Japanese are just having fun with shiping, then weebs will obsessively read any moment of friendship or any melodrama as yuri subtext, then to interpret any plot as a complete cliche romantic story. Shonen-Heartful said: GenesisAria said: Unless it's explicitly a yuri romance, then any "yuri" in it is simply going to be baiting and fanservice. Yuri romance can (and often is) baiting and fanservice, too. That's just how it is with anime and Japanese games since most of the otaku are males. I'm sure there's genuine stuff, but most of it isn't. You do not understand the essence of the term yuri bait. If it includes actual lesbians, then it is usually extremely overloaded with lesbian content fanservice. For example, many ecchi shows like Seikon no Qwaser. Actual moe yuri like Konohana Kitan or YuruYuri are not yuri bait. |
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GenesisAria said: Unless it's explicitly a yuri romance, then any "yuri" in it is simply going to be baiting and fanservice. Jordu said: Yuri or not, you can definitely expect some of the characters to score.... This is shonen manga, where two of the three main girls have male love interest. Moreover, one of them in the first chapter calls romance one of the main advantages of co-ed schools. |
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RobertBobert said: GoldenChrysus said: Man not everything that has many female characters in it has to be yuri, people. Appreciate the story the writer gave you, not the pointless yuri high school romance you wish it were. Nah, you are just new to the western CGDCT fandom. If the Japanese are just having fun with shiping, then weebs will obsessively read any moment of friendship or any melodrama as yuri subtext, then to interpret any plot as a complete cliche romantic story. This does not support or negate anything I said. |
| @Shonen-Heartful Do not mix the product of Western culture, where a frequent reason for the appearance of LGBTQ content is PC culture and Japanese culture content with its yuri. You accuse me of "wrong" argumentation, while building 90% of your post on a random attack on the words I use. OK. Whether cliches are good or not, this does not negate the fact that trying to read any story as a cliche-laden romantic story is a dubious way to spend time. Especially when this is the result of ignoring the message of the show and radically simplifying the actual motivation and interaction of female characters. |
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imjayhime said: No hate haha but as a fujoshi, I gotta say that there’s wayyy more girl on girl fanservice in anime than boy on boy :’) this anime does look cute though. I’ll watch whether it’s yuri or not Compare the reaction to shonen, which tried to make real gay fanservice and to shoujo, which any lesbian references, lol. Shonen-Heartful said: RobertBobert said: @Shonen-Heartful Do not mix the product of Western culture, where a frequent reason for the appearance of LGBTQ content is PC culture and Japanese culture content with its yuri. You accuse me of "wrong" argumentation, while building 90% of your post on a random attack on the words I use. OK. Whether cliches are good or not, this does not negate the fact that trying to read any story as a cliche-laden romantic story is a dubious way to spend time. Especially when this is the result of ignoring the message of the show and radically simplifying the actual motivation and interaction of female characters. Insecurity is not a virtue. Be thankful I gave you.... what, 5 minutes of my time? Nobody else would tolerate less than 5 minutes of your man-child behavior. Also have fun with your wholesome Russian culture and imaginary Japanese culture when your government will isolate Russian Internet (as they are currently planning to). Don't expect me to read your next messages or reply to them. I never thought that some foreigner would tell me, Russian, about the actions of the Russian government, lol. However, judging by your ridiculous arrogance, the country to which you belong ceased to exist somewhere in the 16th century. I'm sorry, I need to leave, because my bear asks to pour him vodka. |
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RobertBobert said: Yuru Yuri isn't real yuri, sorry. Konohana Kitan and Yagate Kimi ni Naru, Citrus, Candy Boy etc are definitely yuri. Hibike! Euphonium was yuri bait-and-switch. Yuru Yuri is yuri baiting without a switch; just mild yuri fanservice with unserious quasi-yuri characters and nothing comes out of it. It's merely a CGDCT with yuri-esque seasoning. If you were to add a male character into the mix as a bystander or something, it would just be a regular anime, with normal slightly unnaturally yuri-esque interactions between the girls, as is relatively commonplace.Shonen-Heartful said: You do not understand the essence of the term yuri bait. If it includes actual lesbians, then it is usually extremely overloaded with lesbian content fanservice. For example, many ecchi shows like Seikon no Qwaser. Actual moe yuri like Konohana Kitan or YuruYuri are not yuri bait.Yuri romance can (and often is) baiting and fanservice, too. That's just how it is with anime and Japanese games since most of the otaku are males. I'm sure there's genuine stuff, but most of it isn't. GoldenChrysus said: RobertBobert was criticizing your complaint saying that shows with lots of girls don't have to be yuri. The question here is that people who like yuri hope for a bit of it, and to their defence, actual yuri is exceptionally rare (there is fuckloads of BL to be found, worry not). People like myself or RobertBobert hope for yuri, because of being fans of it as an idea and theme. Western populous tends to get very uppity about political views, LGBTQ+ etc seeking more non-straight shit in fiction, but that is a political ideology people are projecting and has nothing to do with being a fan of yuri.RobertBobert said: This does not support or negate anything I said.Nah, you are just new to the western CGDCT fandom. If the Japanese are just having fun with shiping, then weebs will obsessively read any moment of friendship or any melodrama as yuri subtext, then to interpret any plot as a complete cliche romantic story. @Shonen-Heartful this goes to you as well - japanese akiba-kei fandoms of various themes or genres in fiction, including fan-pairings etc, is a humbled internal desire for things they like and make them happy, and has nothing to do with the socio-politically driven emotionally charged obsessions of the western world. Akiba-kei (that is to say anime, manga, LNs, VNs, etc) are admired by so many because they are void of socio-political prejudices; a world where none of that shit matters nor is relevant, and is all-inclusive for anyone from any walk of life to join in a mutual collaborative interest. imjayhime said: You must be rookie fujo, cuz there's way more BL media than yuri. CGDCT dominated the market, and was a breeding ground for pseudo-yuri activities and fanservice (which are quite popular amongst girls too btw), but this is NOT actually yuri, and as far as actual lesbian characters & stories in fiction goes, they are quite rare in japan compared to gays, especially if you go back in time in anime and manga and LNs etc. Yuri has only been starting to get some spotlight recently due to growing interest and desire to give it some time to shine as it has been such an underdog for so long. Takarazuka Revue was pretty much the exclusive for yuri drama (amongst the performers) etc in japanese media and that was about it s far as i'm aware, while gay stuff (especially in comedy) pervaded all over as an entertainment fascination. Not to mention japanese fujoshi are fanfiction making machines (yuri fans are nowhere near as proactive).Shonen-Heartful said: No hate haha but as a fujoshi, I gotta say that there’s wayyy more girl on girl fanservice in anime than boy on boy :’) this anime does look cute though. I’ll watch whether it’s yuri or notLet's all take a moment and think of the struggle of yuri-fans! XD The primary difference between BL and GL, is that GL is usually for sexual titillation of males or lesbians, or at the very least for the cuteness and purity factor... whereas BL is usually more for conceptual arousal by females, and occasionally gays. Gay man-service is less about guys romancing or having sex, and more about guys being sexy and gay in nature with other guys the fan also likes, and often about the dirtiness/naughtiness, ie lack of purity. So it is good to be aware of the dichotomy involved, the inequality of the two interests. |
GenesisAriaOct 3, 2019 10:38 AM
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| I didn't really get any yuri vibes from first ep. It's just an iyashikei anime. |
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| I heard from the spoiler that it wont be Yuri, it'll be het. If you're in for yuri or just Cute Girls doing Cute Stuff abandon the ship right now because theres male characters included |
| @GenesisAria Even if I don’t say that YuruYuri is an obvious parody of the yuri cliché, yuri does not have to constantly be a Strawberry Panic to be called yuri. I agree that CGDCTs are usually no more than yuri bait, however, YY is much further than any baiting P.S I don’t understand why you keep calling Takarazuka Revue yuri. Yes, women play all the roles there, but their stories have always been extremely heterosexual and aimed at creating idealized fantasies about the ideal man. Yes, a culture associated with it like Revue Starlight deliberately plays with homoeroticism and yuri shiping, but Takarazuka itself is often criticized by the Japanese LGBTQ for supporting patriarchal ideals in Japanese young woman. |
RobertBobertOct 3, 2019 9:20 AM
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Xaelath said: I heard from the spoiler that it wont be Yuri, it'll be het. If you're in for yuri or just Cute Girls doing Cute Stuff abandon the ship right now because theres male characters included The problem is that the modern audience is absolutely seriously convinced that the careful depiction of female friendship is always associated with yuri subtext Perhaps this is the influence of fujoshi with their love of reading any shonen nakama-power as a repressed sexual desire, I do not know. |
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RobertBobert said: It does more intense baiting than your usual, but there's no explicit yuri romance, and there's no indication that the yuriness in it is actual lesbianism as opposed to being a product of the nonexistence of males. Female characters lewding other female characters is a very common trope in anime - just imagine literally any bath scene. You can't call me on trying to inject yuri-vision into things when i'm actually denying a show that tries to emphasize yuri-bias but really doesn't do much outside of the scope of normal yuri-baiting, other than just being more dramatic about it.@GenesisAria Even if I don’t say that YuruYuri is an obvious parody of the yuri cliché, yuri does not have to constantly be a Strawberry Panic to be called yuri. I agree that CGDCTs are usually no more than yuri bait, however, YY is much further than any baiting RobertBobert said: Err, it's the all-female cast that resulted in numerous romances between the performers and became a big deal. The nature of the plays is not really the point, because even in lesbianism, there's usually one of them that plays the masculine role. As far as i know it resulted in the most significant impact on the presence of lesbianism in japanese culture as a significant issue. It's kind of a mess... A lot of it is stuff i learned about when looking into the background of Revue Starlight (which was all about the lesbians, and all about the origins of the revue, which oddly enough taught me a lot about modern post-AKB idol culture as well), which gave me a lot of information on homosexuality in japan that intrigued me. Forgive my wording, i edited my post to maybe make it a bit more clear that i was talking about the drama around it rather than the performances themselves.P.S I don’t understand why you keep calling Takarazuka Revue yuri. Yes, women play all the roles there, but their stories have always been extremely heterosexual and aimed at creating idealized fantasies about the ideal man. Yes, a culture associated with it like Revue Starlight deliberately plays with homoeroticism and yuri shiping, but Takarazuka itself is often criticized by the Japanese LGBTQ for supporting patriarchal ideals in Japanese young woman. |
GenesisAriaOct 3, 2019 9:39 AM
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. 🔗CosmoGenesis Project “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” “A truth seeker has no patience for BS.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
| @GenesisAria Revue Starlight is more honest in its appeal to yur fandom, but it has never been a "lesbian anime" in that sense. It is rather Maria-sama + Utena. Whether spiritual-lesbian platonic love between them becomes sexual and romantic is already a matter of intentional shiping. Judging by the authors, this project was originally created as an appeal to female fans of Takarazuka, but nevertheless, the franchise has almost no otokoyaku, so I don't know. Again, the issue of romances between actresses is an aspect of culture. The peculiarity of Takarazuka is that by creating the phenomenon of women who fell in love with representing “ideal men” women, Revue could become a loophole for representing lesbian sexuality in the then Japanese culture. I do not want to say that this is an “absolutely heterosexual thing”, that would be a lie, but unlike shudo or Class S, this is a more complicated question. In general, the lesbian culture of Japan of the 20s is a rather peculiar thing, if you want to discuss this, then we could choose a more convenient place. |
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RobertBobert said: Xaelath said: I heard from the spoiler that it wont be Yuri, it'll be het. If you're in for yuri or just Cute Girls doing Cute Stuff abandon the ship right now because theres male characters included The problem is that the modern audience is absolutely seriously convinced that the careful depiction of female friendship is always associated with yuri subtext Perhaps this is the influence of fujoshi with their love of reading any shonen nakama-power as a repressed sexual desire, I do not know. /u/, lul. But even so, Does something like New Game, Wataten, Symphogear ,Comic Girls count as Subtext?, Gochuumon usagi, Madoka,Spice Girls Technically one the characters even express their love that might as well can be considered as an "Admiration" towards other girl or happen to be in Love in Platonic way. Then there's even something like Revue Starlight or most of of idol anime, Yuru Camp, Princess Principal, Toji no Miko etc This kind of Theme doesn't have any Male Main Characters or even important Side Characters, they don't have specific girls falling to other or confess their feelings games but they have this kind of Super Friendship which oftens shipped by Fans. Anything goes beyond these description will likely tagged as Shoujo AI/Yuri. Some of these already tagged as Shoujo AI in manga version though. |
| @Xaelath Shows you mentioned have a completely different level of subtext or baiting. New Game and Gochiusa don't go beyond the 1-2 canonical token yuri girl, Wataten canonical shoujo ai, Symphogay and Comic Girls are sincere yuri bait, Yuru Camp is emphasized asexual and is published in MTK’s most “serious” magazine, idol show is a separate issue. PriPri is canonical about friendship with freedom of interpretation, etc. Shiping close friends is also old as the anime industry. For example, the whole Yaoi fandom literally appeared around slash shiping over apparently heterosexual Captain Tsubasa. It will not be superfluous to mention the love of Japanese culture for homoerotism and the widespread tradition of using qeerbaiting to maintain interest in title with shiping. Different reasons, different title, there is not one single rule. The problem is that shiping has become an end in itself, to the point that the llusion of yuri in CGDCT is even more popular than actual yuri works. The same problem buried BL anime at one time, because most fujoshi became more interested in fooling themselves into believing that BakuDeku would become a canon than supporting the initially canonical Yaoi anime. Oh, do not remind. I have rich experience in communicating with people who were sure that if the manga has one lesbian character, then it should get the shoujo ai tag. |
RobertBobertOct 3, 2019 6:41 PM
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GenesisAria said: RobertBobert said: It does more intense baiting than your usual, but there's no explicit yuri romance, and there's no indication that the yuriness in it is actual lesbianism as opposed to being a product of the nonexistence of males.@GenesisAria Even if I don’t say that YuruYuri is an obvious parody of the yuri cliché, yuri does not have to constantly be a Strawberry Panic to be called yuri. I agree that CGDCTs are usually no more than yuri bait, however, YY is much further than any baiting Yuru Yuri has multiple explicit girl-on-girl crushes and most of the jokes revolve around girls liking girls, and that should qualify it as yuri (and, you know, it's in the title and published in a yuri magazine). There's literally a scene where Chinatsu fantasizes about Yui giving her cunnilingus. |
RobertBobert said: This is a CGDCT. You had me at CGDCT |
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? Florete said: GenesisAria said: It does more intense baiting than your usual, but there's no explicit yuri romance, and there's no indication that the yuriness in it is actual lesbianism as opposed to being a product of the nonexistence of males. Yuru Yuri has multiple explicit girl-on-girl crushes and most of the jokes revolve around girls liking girls, and that should qualify it as yuri (and, you know, it's in the title and published in a yuri magazine). There's literally a scene where Chinatsu fantasizes about Yui giving her cunnilingus. Purists usually do not like this show because being an “official” yuri and publishing in a yuri magazine, it remains subtext-ish in many issues. People don;t understand that YuruYuri is more a good-natured parody over a genre than a romantic story. |
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| This isn't yuribait manga so drop it and stop your whinning. It's not like there aren't shows for you this season. Miki also has love interest https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2019-09-19/hokago-saikoro-club-anime-casts-shun-horie-taku-yashiro/.151270 |
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Xaelath said: I heard from the spoiler that it wont be Yuri, it'll be het. If you're in for yuri or just Cute Girls doing Cute Stuff abandon the ship right now because theres male characters included this is the correct advice |
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