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Dec 8, 2017 8:28 AM
#1
THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- So this is still giving some moments between Marie and Ren. I honestly don't find their relationship that appealing at this point. Kei Sakurai and Ren face off again although this time, it seems that she really shows off her abilties against him. The action flowed well although I feel like there's too much of it. That ending got me a little nervous. |
Dec 8, 2017 10:46 AM
#2
The beginning was very weird. Marie and Ren are getting more moments together. She's practicing to be part of the group. Ren is fighting Kei again. She is quite strong, but got taken out by Eleonore. More trouble for him. |
Dec 8, 2017 11:24 AM
#3
What a rushed mess was the whole episode were those first 3 minutes. I can´t deny that I enjoyed that Lisa and Trifa conversation or the idealistic talk between Ren and Kei, but damn were the scenes underwhelming in terms of buildup. The former in particular I bet it was particularly hard to follow for anime onlies due to awful the Isaak/Johann stuff was foreshadowed (at one point even Lisa´s argument didn´t made sense at all, since what she was trying to protect was not Johann himself, but his lineage). Also, the Tubal Cain summoning came out of nowhere and if they had expanded that scene in the dungeons for 3 or more seconds, they could have avoided that. What a mess, it seems that they aren´t even trying anymore. On another front, poor Ren. He really doesn’t get a break of these freaky guys and now even Samiel wants a piece of him flaming mecha incoming. Nice to see that Lotus has also been foreshadowed. |
KaitonDec 8, 2017 11:36 AM
Dec 8, 2017 12:08 PM
#4
I am not shocked at the poor quality of the anime. I am, however, surprised at the garbage quality of the crunchyroll subs, what with the complete failure to even attempt translating Keis incantation. It might be chuuni nonsense ancient Japanese but they could at least google it. |
Dec 8, 2017 12:31 PM
#5
This doesn't look like it's going to end with 11 episodes at all. |
Dec 8, 2017 12:41 PM
#6
AnimeCruizer said: This doesn't look like it's going to end with 11 episodes at all. That is because the anime isn't ending so soon. There are 6 more episodes (12-17) that will air as ONAs. |
KaitonDec 8, 2017 12:45 PM
Dec 8, 2017 1:47 PM
#7
Dec 8, 2017 2:04 PM
#8
ichii_1 said: Riza birthed Reinhard who grew and died but she kept the body and fcked it and had another child and now Trifa is in that body :O wew. You're way off, but it's probably the anime's fault for explaining it so badly. She fucked Reinhard's body and gave birth to Isaak, who was mentioned at the end of the previous episode. |
Dec 8, 2017 2:44 PM
#9
joa12222 said: You're way off, but it's probably the anime's fault for explaining it so badly. She fucked Reinhard's body and gave birth to Isaak, who was mentioned at the end of the previous episode. Should have said Trifa is in reinhard's body. |
Dec 8, 2017 2:59 PM
#10
Anyone else who doesnt ubderstand anything?? Im totally lost, nothing makes sense and nothing is connected. Help needed |
Dec 8, 2017 6:05 PM
#12
Troll12345678966 said: Anyone else who doesnt ubderstand anything?? Im totally lost, nothing makes sense and nothing is connected. Help needed I get what you mean... The episodes are quite detached from one another; I personally have do a quick recap session every week ________________________ I like how instead of ren beating kei and moving on to the next one, the next one decided to finish her off to hurry things up😂😅 |
Dec 8, 2017 6:24 PM
#13
Troll12345678966 said: Anyone else who doesnt ubderstand anything?? Im totally lost, nothing makes sense and nothing is connected. Help needed me too lol each episode seems more confusing than the previous I was thinking about playing the VN to see if the things are more compreenhensive |
Dec 8, 2017 7:40 PM
#14
Troll12345678966 said: Anyone else who doesnt ubderstand anything?? Im totally lost, nothing makes sense and nothing is connected. Help needed I thought I was beginning to understand the show, but now I'm lost again. |
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Dec 8, 2017 8:01 PM
#15
Lel, the first scene was great. Idk, almost everyone say that an anime is rushed, but it really isn't. it manages to convey everything important in a quaint manner |
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Dec 8, 2017 8:21 PM
#16
lookatthestars said: Troll12345678966 said: Anyone else who doesnt ubderstand anything?? Im totally lost, nothing makes sense and nothing is connected. Help needed me too lol each episode seems more confusing than the previous I was thinking about playing the VN to see if the things are more compreenhensive Me three lol And is that guy seriously lusting for Theresia, in the previous episodes I thought he was just joking lol |
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Dec 8, 2017 9:52 PM
#17
DISCLAIMER: I have not played the original VN. And the following post is just me expressing my personal OPINION. This show, IMO, is one of the leading candidates for most DISAPPOINTING (if not the outright WORST) anime of the entire year for me. It was NOT deserving of all the hype it got at all! To those who have played the original VN, I would like to know two things: 1) Does this show actually do justice to the original VN? 2) Is finishing the VN a prerequisite to making sense of this show? |
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Dec 8, 2017 11:38 PM
#18
patco23 said: To those who have played the original VN, I would like to know two things: 1) Does this show actually do justice to the original VN? 2) Is finishing the VN a prerequisite to making sense of this show? 1). No. The anime does alright with the fights for the most part, some of which are more over the top than in the visual novel 2.) Probably. I think the VN is pretty well organized |
Dec 8, 2017 11:52 PM
#19
Why am I & yourself still wasting our time on this show is the only thing worth discussing. |
Dec 9, 2017 1:16 AM
#20
patco23 said: 1) Does this show actually do justice to the original VN? 2) Is finishing the VN a prerequisite to making sense of this show? 1.)no, everything is worse 2.)yes |
Dec 9, 2017 1:25 AM
#21
This show still holds my attention and excites me in the crazy, over-the-top way, but I officially stopped having the slightest about what the hell's going on, who's fathered whom, who's whose reincarnation and such. Will reading Dies Irae wiki help? I've been holding on that until now because I don't want to spoil myself much, but I'm understanding less and less of what's going on with each episode, so it's probably time... |
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Dec 9, 2017 3:48 AM
#22
glassknuckles said: patco23 said: To those who have played the original VN, I would like to know two things: 1) Does this show actually do justice to the original VN? 2) Is finishing the VN a prerequisite to making sense of this show? 1). No. The anime does alright with the fights for the most part, some of which are more over the top than in the visual novel 2.) Probably. I think the VN is pretty well organized Thanks for the reply! Sadly, I expected as much from reading other boards. I have heard good things about the VN, so I may have to check it out one of these days. |
Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. --Lord Acton in a letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton, 1887 If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier...just as long as I'm the dictator. --George W. Bush, during his first trip to Washington as President-Elect, Washington, DC, Dec. 18, 2000 |
Dec 9, 2017 5:01 AM
#23
So liza gave birth to rienhard who died. She kept his body, fucked it and gave birth to Isaac, who she let live and not sacrifice because according to trifas, he was a failure. Trifas, possessed the dead body of reinhard while liza was riding it. I'm confused. Some one who played or read the VN please help a brother out. |
Dec 9, 2017 6:07 AM
#25
CG said: This show still holds my attention and excites me in the crazy, over-the-top way, but I officially stopped having the slightest about what the hell's going on, who's fathered whom, who's whose reincarnation and such. Will reading Dies Irae wiki help? I've been holding on that until now because I don't want to spoil myself much, but I'm understanding less and less of what's going on with each episode, so it's probably time... I tried doing that last night, but there isn't much information out there. I get the basic premise, there's a war between two sides and Ren has to fight someone. It's just there are other things that are confusing, like Riza, after raping a dead Reinhart, gave birth to two sons one was sacrificed and the other wasn't. What I don't understand is that the one sacrificed I thought his line is dead, but it seems the show implies that it ends with Theresia? And the other son became Kasumi. Right? But I don't understand why this revelation is important if Ren just has to fight Reinhart. And why did Theresia ask Ren to rape her? What relevance was there for that? Also, what happened to Shirou and that girl? |
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Dec 9, 2017 6:33 AM
#26
Kawsar said: So liza gave birth to rienhard who died. She kept his body, fucked it and gave birth to Isaac, who she let live and not sacrifice because according to trifas, he was a failure. Trifas, possessed the dead body of reinhard while liza was riding it. I'm confused. Some one who played or read the VN please help a brother out. Here's a maybe slightly spoilersh explanation since the anime might not clear this up any more: Lisa's experimentation with the children weren't going to well; most of them died very young. When Reinhard "faked" his own assasination—he really was dead for a while—Lisa saw an opportunity; he was the most perfect human she knew, so his children should be superior as well. She used her relic reanimate his body and did the deed. Out of the resulting twins—Isaak and Johann—Isaak was the result she had been hoping for, but she was terrified of him due to his resemblence too his father. She gave up Isaak to be the sacrifice for the ritual in Berlin, and sent Johann away to live as a normal person, lying about him dying to the others. Upon the completion of the Berlin ritual, Reinhards physical body was left behind as he went to his newly created plane; whereupon Valeria possesed the body. Now Valeria is saying that he's going to make Kasumi(Johann's grandaughter) the sacrifice for this ritual instead of Rea(Isaak's grandaughter), to prove that his affection for Rea is his own, and not something imposed on him by Reinhards body—him being their great-grandfather. I don't know if the anime is going to go into Lisa's motivations for what she did though, we'll see I suppose |
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Dec 9, 2017 6:52 AM
#27
Only 11 episodes so I do t think it will go in to to much detail. Thank you though. That explanation helped set things straight. |
Dec 9, 2017 12:48 PM
#28
Oh good that goes for me too here :) |
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Dec 9, 2017 5:47 PM
#29
Gotta say, the anime's been entertaining, but...a really, really poor adaptation of the source material. I'm enjoying it for what it is, but then again I have low standards. Figure I can try to answer a few questions, at least. If I get anything wrong, feel free to correct me. patco23 said: To those who have played the original VN, I would like to know two things: 1) Does this show actually do justice to the original VN? 2) Is finishing the VN a prerequisite to making sense of this show? 1) No. The anime adapts, as has been mentioned, the 3rd of 4 routes. That is to say, it's missing 20+ hours of backstory and context that sets up the events you're seeing. And it's doing a very, very poor job of filling in the blanks. 2) Based on the answer to #1, probably, yeah. MonoJuMal said: I get the basic premise, there's a war between two sides and Ren has to fight someone. It's just there are other things that are confusing, like Riza, after raping a dead Reinhart, gave birth to two sons one was sacrificed and the other wasn't. What I don't understand is that the one sacrificed I thought his line is dead, but it seems the show implies that it ends with Theresia? And the other son became Kasumi. Right? But I don't understand why this revelation is important if Ren just has to fight Reinhart. And why did Theresia ask Ren to rape her? What relevance was there for that? Also, what happened to Shirou and that girl? Regarding Lisa: Lisa was a participant in the Lebensborn Project, a real life nazi breeding program. In the context of the story, its purpose was to create superhumans. Basically ubermensch on a smaller scale. Long story short, in order to accomplish the project's goal, Lisa ends up doing the mattress mambo with Reinhard's corpse, since her power lets her manipulate the dead. She gives birth to twins, Isaak and Johann. The former inherits Reinhard's powers and golden visage. He terrifies her, and is offered up as a sacrifice in the Berlin ritual, resulting in the creation of Reinhard's spoopy skeleton castle. There's more to it, but I'll leave Isaak's story here since the anime hasn't gone further into it. However, it's important to note that because of the specific nature of what went down in Berlin (In the VN, Mercurius refers to it as a "trial run"), Isaak isn't quite "dead" in the traditional sense. Though he may as well be. Johann, on the other hand, is just a normal dude. Lisa fakes his death and sends him off to some other country to get him away from all the supernatural BS. Regarding Kasumi and Rea: They are Lisa's great grandchildren. In other words, they're Reinhard's descendants. Rea is a direct descendant of Isaak, and inherited his title of "Sonnenkind", or "Child of the Sun", as well as his powers. Her role in this is to basically serve as a magical vagina to "birth" Reinhard's castle, along with Reinhard himself into the world, since they currently reside outside of normal space-time. Accomplishing this requires all 8 Swastikas to be open and active. Reinhard showed up in an earlier episode, but at only a fraction of his full power because the ritual is still incomplete. Essentially she is a catalyst, and one of the focal points upon which the bad guys' plot revolves. The reason she tries to sleep with Ren is she falsely believes that losing her virginity will rid her of the Sonnenkind status, allowing her to escape her fate as a sacrifice. Kasumi is a descendant of Johann, and while being a Sonnenkind herself (because she bears Reinhard's blood), she's much weaker than Rea is. Valeria, the priest, wants to use her instead of Rea because he has his own schemes in mind. You might recall that earlier he had Spinne investigating what happened to Johann and his bloodline. For some reason the anime cuts out Spinne's motivation for helping Valeria in the first place, turning him into a generic bad guy grumble grumble. Regarding Shirou and Ellie: Rusalka ate them. That's it. Gobbled 'em up, along with everyone else in the club, like a big hot pot. By devouring everyone there, she opened a Swastika at the club (I think "seal" is a better term, but the story uses Swastika, so eh), and because souls = power in this story, she grew stronger as well. There's a lot more to the story, but the exact nature of what's really going on is a big spoiler, so I'll stop here, although I'll be happy to clarify more down the line if need be :) |
Dec 9, 2017 6:11 PM
#30
DoctorFatBird said: MonoJuMal said: I get the basic premise, there's a war between two sides and Ren has to fight someone. It's just there are other things that are confusing, like Riza, after raping a dead Reinhart, gave birth to two sons one was sacrificed and the other wasn't. What I don't understand is that the one sacrificed I thought his line is dead, but it seems the show implies that it ends with Theresia? And the other son became Kasumi. Right? But I don't understand why this revelation is important if Ren just has to fight Reinhart. And why did Theresia ask Ren to rape her? What relevance was there for that? Also, what happened to Shirou and that girl? Regarding Lisa: Lisa was a participant in the Lebensborn Project, a real life nazi breeding program. In the context of the story, its purpose was to create superhumans. Basically ubermensch on a smaller scale. Long story short, in order to accomplish the project's goal, Lisa ends up doing the mattress mambo with Reinhard's corpse, since her power lets her manipulate the dead. She gives birth to twins, Isaak and Johann. The former inherits Reinhard's powers and golden visage. He terrifies her, and is offered up as a sacrifice in the Berlin ritual, resulting in the creation of Reinhard's spoopy skeleton castle. There's more to it, but I'll leave Isaak's story here since the anime hasn't gone further into it. However, it's important to note that because of the specific nature of what went down in Berlin (In the VN, Mercurius refers to it as a "trial run"), Isaak isn't quite "dead" in the traditional sense. Though he may as well be. Johann, on the other hand, is just a normal dude. Lisa fakes his death and sends him off to some other country to get him away from all the supernatural BS. Regarding Kasumi and Rea: They are Lisa's great grandchildren. In other words, they're Reinhard's descendants. Rea is a direct descendant of Isaak, and inherited his title of "Sonnenkind", or "Child of the Sun", as well as his powers. Her role in this is to basically serve as a magical vagina to "birth" Reinhard's castle, along with Reinhard himself into the world, since they currently reside outside of normal space-time. Accomplishing this requires all 8 Swastikas to be open and active. Reinhard showed up in an earlier episode, but at only a fraction of his full power because the ritual is still incomplete. Essentially she is a catalyst, and one of the focal points upon which the bad guys' plot revolves. The reason she tries to sleep with Ren is she falsely believes that losing her virginity will rid her of the Sonnenkind status, allowing her to escape her fate as a sacrifice. Kasumi is a descendant of Johann, and while being a Sonnenkind herself (because she bears Reinhard's blood), she's much weaker than Rea is. Valeria, the priest, wants to use her instead of Rea because he has his own schemes in mind. You might recall that earlier he had Spinne investigating what happened to Johann and his bloodline. For some reason the anime cuts out Spinne's motivation for helping Valeria in the first place, turning him into a generic bad guy grumble grumble. Regarding Shirou and Ellie: Rusalka ate them. That's it. Gobbled 'em up, along with everyone else in the club, like a big hot pot. By devouring everyone there, she opened a Swastika at the club (I think "seal" is a better term, but the story uses Swastika, so eh), and because souls = power in this story, she grew stronger as well. There's a lot more to the story, but the exact nature of what's really going on is a big spoiler, so I'll stop here, although I'll be happy to clarify more down the line if need be :) You are awesome! Thank you so much for answering my questions, as this definitely clears things up a lot more. It's kind of disheartening that anime only viewers lost out on 20 some hours of backstory and context, because the way the adaptation is going gets confusing. So if Shirou and Ellie are gobbled up, as shown from before, then does that mean that their roles here end? I thought Shirou was Ren's right hand man? |
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Dec 10, 2017 3:54 AM
#31
MonoJuMal said: So if Shirou and Ellie are gobbled up, as shown from before, then does that mean that their roles here end? I thought Shirou was Ren's right hand man? I'm gonna guess (I'm anime only) that if Ren defeats the nazi who ate them, he could bring them back to the physical world like Marie |
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Dec 10, 2017 4:42 AM
#32
DoctorFatBird said: Gotta say, the anime's been entertaining, but...a really, really poor adaptation of the source material. I'm enjoying it for what it is, but then again I have low standards. Figure I can try to answer a few questions, at least. If I get anything wrong, feel free to correct me. patco23 said: To those who have played the original VN, I would like to know two things: 1) Does this show actually do justice to the original VN? 2) Is finishing the VN a prerequisite to making sense of this show? 1) No. The anime adapts, as has been mentioned, the 3rd of 4 routes. That is to say, it's missing 20+ hours of backstory and context that sets up the events you're seeing. And it's doing a very, very poor job of filling in the blanks. 2) Based on the answer to #1, probably, yeah. MonoJuMal said: I get the basic premise, there's a war between two sides and Ren has to fight someone. It's just there are other things that are confusing, like Riza, after raping a dead Reinhart, gave birth to two sons one was sacrificed and the other wasn't. What I don't understand is that the one sacrificed I thought his line is dead, but it seems the show implies that it ends with Theresia? And the other son became Kasumi. Right? But I don't understand why this revelation is important if Ren just has to fight Reinhart. And why did Theresia ask Ren to rape her? What relevance was there for that? Also, what happened to Shirou and that girl? Regarding Lisa: Lisa was a participant in the Lebensborn Project, a real life nazi breeding program. In the context of the story, its purpose was to create superhumans. Basically ubermensch on a smaller scale. Long story short, in order to accomplish the project's goal, Lisa ends up doing the mattress mambo with Reinhard's corpse, since her power lets her manipulate the dead. She gives birth to twins, Isaak and Johann. The former inherits Reinhard's powers and golden visage. He terrifies her, and is offered up as a sacrifice in the Berlin ritual, resulting in the creation of Reinhard's spoopy skeleton castle. There's more to it, but I'll leave Isaak's story here since the anime hasn't gone further into it. However, it's important to note that because of the specific nature of what went down in Berlin (In the VN, Mercurius refers to it as a "trial run"), Isaak isn't quite "dead" in the traditional sense. Though he may as well be. Johann, on the other hand, is just a normal dude. Lisa fakes his death and sends him off to some other country to get him away from all the supernatural BS. Regarding Kasumi and Rea: They are Lisa's great grandchildren. In other words, they're Reinhard's descendants. Rea is a direct descendant of Isaak, and inherited his title of "Sonnenkind", or "Child of the Sun", as well as his powers. Her role in this is to basically serve as a magical vagina to "birth" Reinhard's castle, along with Reinhard himself into the world, since they currently reside outside of normal space-time. Accomplishing this requires all 8 Swastikas to be open and active. Reinhard showed up in an earlier episode, but at only a fraction of his full power because the ritual is still incomplete. Essentially she is a catalyst, and one of the focal points upon which the bad guys' plot revolves. The reason she tries to sleep with Ren is she falsely believes that losing her virginity will rid her of the Sonnenkind status, allowing her to escape her fate as a sacrifice. Kasumi is a descendant of Johann, and while being a Sonnenkind herself (because she bears Reinhard's blood), she's much weaker than Rea is. Valeria, the priest, wants to use her instead of Rea because he has his own schemes in mind. You might recall that earlier he had Spinne investigating what happened to Johann and his bloodline. For some reason the anime cuts out Spinne's motivation for helping Valeria in the first place, turning him into a generic bad guy grumble grumble. Regarding Shirou and Ellie: Rusalka ate them. That's it. Gobbled 'em up, along with everyone else in the club, like a big hot pot. By devouring everyone there, she opened a Swastika at the club (I think "seal" is a better term, but the story uses Swastika, so eh), and because souls = power in this story, she grew stronger as well. There's a lot more to the story, but the exact nature of what's really going on is a big spoiler, so I'll stop here, although I'll be happy to clarify more down the line if need be :) Props to you mate. I was lost in a daze for 8 episodes, and now I've finally seen a bit of light. :D |
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Dec 10, 2017 10:22 AM
#33
MonoJuMal said: DoctorFatBird said: MonoJuMal said: I get the basic premise, there's a war between two sides and Ren has to fight someone. It's just there are other things that are confusing, like Riza, after raping a dead Reinhart, gave birth to two sons one was sacrificed and the other wasn't. What I don't understand is that the one sacrificed I thought his line is dead, but it seems the show implies that it ends with Theresia? And the other son became Kasumi. Right? But I don't understand why this revelation is important if Ren just has to fight Reinhart. And why did Theresia ask Ren to rape her? What relevance was there for that? Also, what happened to Shirou and that girl? Regarding Lisa: Lisa was a participant in the Lebensborn Project, a real life nazi breeding program. In the context of the story, its purpose was to create superhumans. Basically ubermensch on a smaller scale. Long story short, in order to accomplish the project's goal, Lisa ends up doing the mattress mambo with Reinhard's corpse, since her power lets her manipulate the dead. She gives birth to twins, Isaak and Johann. The former inherits Reinhard's powers and golden visage. He terrifies her, and is offered up as a sacrifice in the Berlin ritual, resulting in the creation of Reinhard's spoopy skeleton castle. There's more to it, but I'll leave Isaak's story here since the anime hasn't gone further into it. However, it's important to note that because of the specific nature of what went down in Berlin (In the VN, Mercurius refers to it as a "trial run"), Isaak isn't quite "dead" in the traditional sense. Though he may as well be. Johann, on the other hand, is just a normal dude. Lisa fakes his death and sends him off to some other country to get him away from all the supernatural BS. Regarding Kasumi and Rea: They are Lisa's great grandchildren. In other words, they're Reinhard's descendants. Rea is a direct descendant of Isaak, and inherited his title of "Sonnenkind", or "Child of the Sun", as well as his powers. Her role in this is to basically serve as a magical vagina to "birth" Reinhard's castle, along with Reinhard himself into the world, since they currently reside outside of normal space-time. Accomplishing this requires all 8 Swastikas to be open and active. Reinhard showed up in an earlier episode, but at only a fraction of his full power because the ritual is still incomplete. Essentially she is a catalyst, and one of the focal points upon which the bad guys' plot revolves. The reason she tries to sleep with Ren is she falsely believes that losing her virginity will rid her of the Sonnenkind status, allowing her to escape her fate as a sacrifice. Kasumi is a descendant of Johann, and while being a Sonnenkind herself (because she bears Reinhard's blood), she's much weaker than Rea is. Valeria, the priest, wants to use her instead of Rea because he has his own schemes in mind. You might recall that earlier he had Spinne investigating what happened to Johann and his bloodline. For some reason the anime cuts out Spinne's motivation for helping Valeria in the first place, turning him into a generic bad guy grumble grumble. Regarding Shirou and Ellie: Rusalka ate them. That's it. Gobbled 'em up, along with everyone else in the club, like a big hot pot. By devouring everyone there, she opened a Swastika at the club (I think "seal" is a better term, but the story uses Swastika, so eh), and because souls = power in this story, she grew stronger as well. There's a lot more to the story, but the exact nature of what's really going on is a big spoiler, so I'll stop here, although I'll be happy to clarify more down the line if need be :) You are awesome! Thank you so much for answering my questions, as this definitely clears things up a lot more. It's kind of disheartening that anime only viewers lost out on 20 some hours of backstory and context, because the way the adaptation is going gets confusing. So if Shirou and Ellie are gobbled up, as shown from before, then does that mean that their roles here end? I thought Shirou was Ren's right hand man? Calm down nigga your questions would be answered in next few episodes don't dilapidate the story for yourself. VN players have been grating mountains of text in ignorance to attain these answers; you are supposed to be confused until the very end of the story |
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Dec 11, 2017 5:00 AM
#35
Let's face it, Dies Irae is one of the worst animes in this year. The source material might be less terrible and it probably doesn't deserve this cheap adaption. Why did they even made such a show when nothing makes sense. |
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Dec 11, 2017 5:35 AM
#36
So confused... but thanks above explanations help the Riza backstory. So Rea or Kasumi needs to be sacrificed for Reinhard... Actions better now, at least exciting, and dialogue's pretty fun. |
Dec 12, 2017 6:18 AM
#37
I wonder what Reinhard feels that his body was raped :( |
Dec 13, 2017 3:49 PM
#38
So many people are confused by this series and give it a low rating. I still say it's pretty rad in my opinion and it makes sense if you pay close attention.XD I dunno...it doesn't deserve such a bad rating, but oh well. |
Dec 14, 2017 7:49 AM
#39
Fabienne said: Let's face it, Dies Irae is one of the worst animes in this year. The source material might be less terrible and it probably doesn't deserve this cheap adaption. Why did they even made such a show when nothing makes sense. Because at the base they did not have the means to produce the anime and that they had to proceed via a crowfunding, maybe? In another sense, without that, there would be no Anime. We must see this as an incentive to read the Visual Novel, and not to have played, when I see that each character has his personality and a lot of questions, it encourages me to play. I have the impression that we attack the anime a lot without taking into consideration the difficulties of production. |
Dec 14, 2017 12:27 PM
#40
Riza's quite sexy. I liked that end card. I came in here with tons of questions, thanks to the awkward first couple of minutes of the episode, but this thread basically answered everything. Thank you to @ShieldKnight and @DoctorFatBird. And now I also understand that weird and awkward conversation Rea had with Ren in the dungeon. The woman who showed up at the end looks badass, btw. |
MormegilDec 14, 2017 12:44 PM
Dec 15, 2017 12:40 AM
#41
ShieldKnight and DoctorFatBird thanks for explaining. I'm still having trouble though and I don't think it'll change lol. I just can't remember who's who and stuff. Like Reinhards corpse? Johann was mentioned before??? I don't remember any of the things happening xD I'm just sitting this one out and taking peace with not understanding what I'm seeing and going here for more explanations every time. |
Dec 16, 2017 5:01 PM
#42
AkiKitazawa said: ShieldKnight and DoctorFatBird thanks for explaining. I'm still having trouble though and I don't think it'll change lol. I just can't remember who's who and stuff. Like Reinhards corpse? Johann was mentioned before??? I don't remember any of the things happening xD I'm just sitting this one out and taking peace with not understanding what I'm seeing and going here for more explanations every time. Reinhards corpse wasn't really explained. Valeria did mention Johann in the episode where kasumi and ren fought though. |
Dec 17, 2017 1:32 AM
#43
Dec 17, 2017 8:15 PM
#44
One thing that is annoying me, you know, other than plot in general, is that a few of the characters look similar and have the same colored hair. So on top of not understanding anything I am not sure who the characters even are sometimes. |
Dec 18, 2017 9:51 PM
#45
Iguana-kun said: because theyre meant to One thing that is annoying me, you know, other than plot in general, is that a few of the characters look similar and have the same colored hair. So on top of not understanding anything I am not sure who the characters even are sometimes. |
Jan 17, 2018 8:06 PM
#46
This was a clusterfuck of an episode! No pun intended. I don't understand how censorship works. It's perfectly fine to show people getting brutally murdered and decapitated, but sex with a man in a vegetative state (or was he dead?) is not OK? Or does that mean it was rape because he wasn't able to give his consent? |
May 29, 2019 10:26 AM
#47
What a mess... I dunno what's going on with the story. The only things that prevents me from dropping this anime are quite okay fighting sequences. By the way, that Reinhard guy was dead or half-dead? If its the first possibility, then Riza is a necrophile, if the second then should we assume she raped him? Man, not only the plot is a mess, but controversial stuff like that is making it even more twisted. Iguana-kun said: One thing that is annoying me, you know, other than plot in general, is that a few of the characters look similar and have the same colored hair. So on top of not understanding anything I am not sure who the characters even are sometimes. Yeah, that too. Sometimes I feel lost as hell because several characters look very similar to each other, differing only by small details. The same hair colours or their voices' similar tones are complicating everything even more. |
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