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L-Ryoshi said: As fucked up as McGillis' past is, I never did understand why he had to do in Galleilo and his sister, specially when he had already had them both under his thumb the entire first season. His ideal for acquiring and restoring Bael really does seem like a childish dream to be honest. As much as it pains me, I get the feeling that Tekkadan really sided with the wrong party this time around. Whilst McGillis' ideal of curing Gjallahorn from the inside was noble and sound (lets face it, the parts they destroyed in season 1 were pretty crooked), but the fact that he was already coming into a position of power on the council and was already beginning to grow in influence within the organisation already makes this coup d'etat a pretty poor excuse for what he's doing now. I mean, sure it would have taken more years to completely change Gjallahorn, but he's got way more years of service than the rest of those old geezers sitting around the council table there. I just don't understand why he had to instigate the coup anyway. To be honest I'm really confused right now as to what it is exactly Mcgillis wants to achieve in the end. The obvious part is to obtain ultimate power within Gjallahorn, but what after that? To free Mars and the outer colonies from unfair treatment? To end the corruption of the organisation in terms of utilizing child soldiers and Human Debris? What exactly IS his deal?!? Yeah, I think the restoration of Bael could go both ways. Like Rustal said, it is childish to hinge his takeover of Gjarllahorn on a vaunted and historic Gundam. And yet, like I think Kudelia demonstrated last season, symbols and their meanings can mean everything. By using Bael, McGillis can simultaneously inspire awe in those who follow his revolution and instill fear in his enemies. In a world steeped in the mythology of the Calamity War and the Gundams of old, I could definitely see this mentality being effective. I think it's become clear that any noble intentions McGillis had at some point have been overcome by his lust for absolute power. I think this episode is telling us that his traumatic childhood basically turned him into a sociopath who only cares for power and authority. Sure, McGillis could've led the change in Gjarllahorn as the future leader of the council, but he doesn't want to have to be a part of a council. He wants to be the sole decision-maker, the only one in charge, and essentially an absolute monarch. Once he takes over, who knows what his plans would be. I think he would empathize with child soldiers and space rats because of his rough upbringing, but what he does is anyone's guess. |
Judai_McGinnis said: Bael looks so badass! Clearly it and Barbatos are brother Gundams, so that's a nice touch. I just have this sinking feeling that Tekkadan is on the wrong side. Rustal was the reason for Aston's death and the debacle on Earth in the first arc, but that was because Tekkadan was allied with McGillis. Besides that, Rustal hasn't directly targeted Tekkadan in any way, I believe. I'm thinking they'd be safer with him than with McGillis, McGillis has clearly gone all in on the power-hungry rise and will discard them sooner than later. I'm really starting to empathize most with Gaelio. I just can't help but feel bad for what he's gone through and what he's had to become in Vidar. The worst thing I can say about him was he looked down on people, especially Tekkadan's "space rats," but clearly that viewpoint has changed. I honestly want him to to end up teaming with Tekkadan, McGillis has obviously become the biggest danger now. Plus, he looks like a total badass with those scars and that ragged hair. And in addition to his new outlook on life, he's a totally different person, really. It's ironic that both Gaelio and McGillis have gone all in with the AV system. Gaelio always despised it, while McGillis used it to frame Gjarllahorn in the Battle of Edmonton. I've enjoyed Vidar and Julietta's talks. I can't wait to hear what they talk about now that she knows his identity and what he's done to himself to be able to fight against McGillis. Almira looks to be crying and her hands are soaked with blood in the preview. That can't be a good sign... While Rustal hasn't directly targeted Tekkadan he is part of the corrupt and oppressive Gjallarhorn. He is not a good guy and Tekkadan being on his side would make no sense. He caused many deaths in Tekkadan for political gain, NOT because they were allied with McGillis, that was never a reason. Gaileo is a good guy but he sides with Gjallarhorn scum, he seems to only care about killing McGillis though. McGillis on the other hand is definitely fishy and shit will go down, but he has at least proven alliance currently. He also has a good deal on the table. Too early to know what will happen though, so we'll see how it goes down. |
| Wow... didn't even realize McGillis was a sex slave as a child until I rewatched O_O. His adopted "father" just continued molesting him too, that's crazy. Realizing this makes me soo much more sympathetic to McGillis. I already liked him a ton by the end of season 1, I just started to grow more weary of him when I realized he might end up betraying Tekkadan. My initial reaction was to think they went a little overboard with McGillis' past, but I guess they've actually been hinting at it for a while now. A user on Anime News Network put it really well: "-some people speculated that McGillis had been sexually abused as a kid. We already knew from flashbacks in both seasons that McGillis was an orphan "adopted" by a rich nobleman, and saw that he was emotionally distant and had some physical marks of abuse as a child. The only question in my mind was the extent of the abuse and if it continued after the "adoption." This episode confirmed that McGillis's childhood was as bad as all the Tekkadan kids, maybe even worse in some ways. I don't recall any of the Tekkadan kids flashbacks showing child prostitution. Atra was forced to work in a brothel, but it seemed clear that she was an assistant to the older girls and women there and escaped before her "debut." The boys were basically slaves and soldiers for the most part. I don't want to put misery and trauma on a scale, but there is something especially horrible to me about McGillis's situation even after his adoption. He was being physically and sexually abused by his "father," but he was forced to hide behind a respectable, noble family demeanor--to live an insidious lie, completely alone. None of his so-called peers would be able to guess at what he was going through, even if he could tell them. None of the adults in his life were trustworthy, and many probably knowingly aided and abetted his "dad," making his sense of betrayal worse. At least Mika had Orga, Atra had Mika, the human debris had each other...McGillis had no one in his life who could understand him or who he could trust." And wow - Gaelio wasn't the fool that everyone may have thought he was. He was aware the entire time of McGillis' duel nature, and the mask that he put on so that he could move forward unfailingly to reform Gjarllahorn. He just thought he had grown close enough to McGillis to earn his trust and truly stand by his side. It breaks my heart now to realize how much he actually looked up to McGillis and cared for him. And Gaelio does make another good point. Wouldn't he and Carta stand by his side even if he chose to overthrow Gjarllahorn. I think with his issues growing up, McGillis just didn't want to have to trust in or rely on another person ever again. |
AugustHEEHOFeb 12, 2017 8:48 PM
| McGillis past is messed up. He wanted power so he won't be looked down upon again. Barabatos vs Ein was awesome. Gundam Bael looks so cool. McGillis can finally use it. It has the soul of Agnika Kaieru, the Gjallarhorn founder. Looking forward to the battles. |
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| This episode totally made my day. |
| Go ***k yourself. Polite as usual, lightXTC |
| McGillis' father wasa fucking pedo! and everyone knew already that Vidar is Gaelio his revelation was kinda lackluster |
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| Galleilo still wanted to stay by McGillis' side but Mika had to just come in and be like, "Can I kill him?" and pushed Gal away until he had no other choice but to have to fight him. He kept his identity secret this whole time so as not to ruin his plans and to find out what McGillis wanted but he was still willing to kill him all over again. I can't hate McGillis anymore because tragic backstory is my weakness but I'm still not happy with how everything is being handled. Now Tekkadan is going to be caught up in this star-crossed lover's shit. |
| Since the first semi flashback of kid McGillis in season one, I think (if my memory doesn’t betray me) + showing him having those bruises around his body. I knew he was abused as a child... I seriously can’t predict who will win maybe it going to be a tie to the death like a certain Gundam movie with both of them McGillis & Vidar/Gaelio dying at the end... Ms. Bernstein more than ever is going to be a key player in all of this, well that is what I think... I have some questions about the show: With this kind of outcome what is Tekkadan & Mika role in all of this? Julietta has feelings for Vidar/Gaelio or F*ckboy Ioq? In the preview... is that blood in Almiria gloves? it is from her or another person? If the answer is from her own blood, who is behind it? Gaelio unintentional? Herself? Enemy? McGillis accidentally or deliberately? ----------------------------------------------------- einschlx said: This...I'm starting to have a bad feeling about this. I feel like Chocolate Man only wants absolute power and nothing else. Gali Gali, Carta, and Ein gave him love and trust yet he denied all of that. He said so himself.. that those with power take everything. What if that's all there is to it, for him? And getting rid of corruption is just another facade to get what he wants? Since Tekkadan went through the same type of childhood he did, he teamed up with them. Tekkadan also wanted power, no? They're one and the same (except Tekkadan is a family: they have love and trust, which Chocolate Man didn't have/rejected). Once they get that so-called power, then what? They'll both crash and burn. May that difference between them save Tekkadan. I want to believe Chocolate Man truly wants to change Gjallarhorn, but he's so hard to decipher qwq Facade and more facades.. what the heck does this guy really want? I'd hate to see Tekkadan on the wrong side with the wrong guy. I feel like they did, but I hope I'm wrong. If not, I want them to realize it asap and switch sides. I don't want to have to see Mika end up like Ein... with Hush as the pilot ;; |
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| can't wait to see bael in action and see what it can do. now there are 5 gundam frames back in action. And the back story on McGilis was pretty interesting and i feel bad for the kind of life he had. Barbatos Gusion Vidar(kimaris) Flauros Bael |
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| Looking like this is going to be a very epic conclusion, much like season 1, but on a much larger scale. I just hope a stray nuke just conveniently lands on Lok's house during the final battle tho. |
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Daniel_Naumov said: Jotakak said: Galleilo still wanted to stay by McGillis' side but Mika had to just come in and be like, "Can I kill him?" and pushed Gal away until he had no other choice but to have to fight him. He kept his identity secret this whole time so as not to ruin his plans and to find out what McGillis wanted but he was still willing to kill him all over again. I can't hate McGillis anymore because tragic backstory is my weakness but I'm still not happy with how everything is being handled. Now Tekkadan is going to be caught up in this star-crossed lover's shit. Analysing what I have just read, you are either unable to read the characters correctly, or profoundly insane. Either way, you should stop watching this. Do the world a favour. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about but if the term 'star-crossed lovers' bothers you, it's just an expression, mate. Gal even said he was unsure of what he was going to do until McGillis gave him no other choice. I'm not misreading shit. And to tell someone they're insane and to stop watching one of their favorite shows because you don't agree with how they interpreted a scene just means you're a piece of shit. Do the world a favor and stay off the threads. |
JotakakFeb 13, 2017 11:37 PM
Daniel_Naumov said: Jotakak said: Galleilo still wanted to stay by McGillis' side but Mika had to just come in and be like, "Can I kill him?" and pushed Gal away until he had no other choice but to have to fight him. He kept his identity secret this whole time so as not to ruin his plans and to find out what McGillis wanted but he was still willing to kill him all over again. I can't hate McGillis anymore because tragic backstory is my weakness but I'm still not happy with how everything is being handled. Now Tekkadan is going to be caught up in this star-crossed lover's shit. Analysing what I have just read, you are either unable to read the characters correctly, or profoundly insane. Either way, you should stop watching this. Do the world a favour. ~_~ You really need to grow the fuck up and not say this kind of shit to other members that enjoy this anime. People will have different opinions or interpret scenes however they choose, not everyone has to view things the same way. There is literally nothing wrong with what he said. |
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| I never imagined that McGillis was a sex slave in his childhood and that he went through all that. Well, I don't think it's surprising that he turned out to be power hungry and mistrusting but I don't necessarily agree with everything he's doing. Yes, he wants to reform Gjallarhorn and to get rid of all the corruption but will he be satisfied with just that or does he have a much bigger goal? From McGillis's disturbing past, I guess we shouldn't be surprised that he has an interest in Almiria since he was a sex slave for older men himself. He did use Gaelio and Carta but I don't think his feelings for Almiria are insincere. Maybe he does feel bad for her to have been born in this family but I also think that he does care for her. Masked man turning out to be Gaelio wasn't surprising either as we all knew it. The voice was a dead giveaway. Honestly, I think it'd be boring and silly if McGillis kills Gaelio again. I kind of want Gaelio to live but I doubt it. I hope Rustal doesn't betray him or cause his death. Also, does Julieta have interest in Vidar? From the preview, it seems Gaelio's father will be killed and the blood on Almiria's dress was his. I wonder if this will affect McGillis's relationship with Almiria. I hope it will as this pairing makes me feel uncomfortable. I wonder what will happen with Mikazuki. Is he going to survive? I guess with all that's happening, I don't think there will be any romantic resolution for him. I mean, only 7 episodes are left and he still didn't develop feelings for either Atra or Kudelia except for that kiss with Kudelia on the first season and the baby-making talk with Atra. I really wanted him to fall for Atra but I don't think it'll happen. I really can't imagine how it will all wrap up in 7 episodes but I highly doubt there will be a 3rd season. |
Daniel_Naumov said: Jotakak said: I don't know what the fuck you're talking about but if the term 'star-crossed lovers' bothers you, it's just an expression, mate. Gal even said he was unsure of what he was going to do until McGillis gave him no other choice. I'm not misreading shit. And to tell someone they're insane and to stop watching one of their favorite shows because you don't agree with how they interpreted a scene just means you're a piece of shit. Do the world a favor and stay off the threads. You literally read their dialogue wrong. Gaelio was saying that he did not know what to do with McGillis, until he took the Bael frame. Not that he was unsure whether to stop him or not, but on what he is supposed to do. Now that McGillis is inside the legendary Agnika Kaieru's Gundam Gaelio knows that he has to stop him himself . That makes no sense since he could have stopped McGillis from getting into it... And I'm talking about before Mika showed up. He could have killed him. |
Daniel_Naumov said: Jotakak said: I don't know what the fuck you're talking about but if the term 'star-crossed lovers' bothers you, it's just an expression, mate. Gal even said he was unsure of what he was going to do until McGillis gave him no other choice. I'm not misreading shit. And to tell someone they're insane and to stop watching one of their favorite shows because you don't agree with how they interpreted a scene just means you're a piece of shit. Do the world a favor and stay off the threads. You literally read their dialogue wrong. Gaelio was saying that he did not know what to do with McGillis, until he took the Bael frame. Not that he was unsure whether to stop him or not, but on what he is supposed to do. Now that McGillis is inside the legendary Agnika Kaieru's Gundam Gaelio knows that he has to stop him himself . "I wanted to find out. I wanted to see what you wanted so badly that you'd betray Carta, me, and the people wishing to stand by you." "And I see you made it here." "Yeah. The fact that you're right here. That's the answer." "Are you satisfied?" "It has let me make my resolve. All respectable feelings like love and trust mean nothing in your eyes. The only thing you can understand is authority, might, and brute force." He didn't have resolve to fight him prior to this encounter, like I said. -- "Get in Bael." Gali tells McGillis to get in. He didn't decide he had to fight him after he entered because there was no other choice because he already was planning on it after their exchange -- "I see you were able to figure it out. Your destiny." "Yes. From now on, I shall obey you." He hadn't figured it out prior to the exchange but McGillis caused his resolve after getting the 'closure' he needed about why he did what he did to them. I do stand corrected on my first line though. Mika didn't "push" Gal away in the sense that he was forcing him to have to fight McGillis but rather he got in the way of him wanting a fair fight after the brief exchange. |
JotakakFeb 14, 2017 1:53 AM
| something tells me Mika will have a say in how this resolves |
| damn... gundam bael is cool... like his design somehow i'm rooting for Gundam Vidar now... but they bring "Ein" back in this episode really pissed me off... hate that guy can't wait for the next episode... |
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| So Agnika Kaeiru's Gundam Frame is Bael with Alaya-Vijnana system as well, looks like Fareed is getting more treacherous! So the Kamen guy is none other than Ein! 5/5. |
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| This confirms that McGillis is nuts, but now I have an understanding of why he's nuts. I still don't really like him, nor trust him. I'm waiting for him to throw Tekkadan under the bus. This isn't going to end well for anybody. |
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| Awww shiiiiz mah boi Gali's back! Right after I nearly held a candle-light vigil for him at the last con I went to though-- settled for touching his face on a picture and pretending to pray. lol McGillis kinda reminds me of Gilbert from Kaze to Ki no Uta with that backstory and how he looked. I'm often wondering if creators pull inspiration from things they think no one will think of... Bael looks legitimate though. |
| Could it be that Agnika Kaieru was preserved like Aeolia Schenberg in 00 and McGillis secretly installed Agnika as an AV system in the Gundam Bael by learning from Ein Dalton's situation? |
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| Anyone else think the other blonde boys grew up to be Carta Issue's subordinates? I wonder who's blood is it on Almira in the next episode. |
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| Candy-man's gundam has pretty wings. I do hope the final battle will be worth all this buildup. |
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| Wow! I'm rooting for McGillis and in contradiction rooting for Gaelio and rooting that Tekkaden makes it out alive. Now I'm feeling nervous. What a great series. |
starkipraggy said: I HOPE THE SAME HAPPENS TO IDIOKThis also means Gaelio is going to get curbstomped and die soon. |
| No seriously. |
| McGillis had a pretty bad childhood, i wouldn't even call it a childhood, more like hell... At least now we know his reason/cause. As expected Gaelio is alive, and he is using AV system, he that despised it lol. Can't wait for the last episodes! MHCI said: It's ironic that both Gaelio and McGillis have gone all in with the AV system. Gaelio always despised it, while McGillis used it to frame Gjarllahorn in the Battle of Edmonton. So true xD |
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starkipraggy said: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUla-la-tina-land said: I HOPE THE SAME HAPPENS TO IDIOK Unfortunately all signs point to him surviving. |
| No seriously. |
| very horrible and cruel Mcgillis babyhood...horrible...he was :/ Is normal that all the hate has in his inside...is the moment to exploted alll, and change this world!!! kekeke I think, it will be easy for Tekkadan and Mcgillis!!! Their rivals are very strong, and don´t play childhood!!! ;) |
| Did the other slaves grow up to be Carta's subordinates? |
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| Nice, Gaello is back from the dead and Fareed has Bael |
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Nicromatic said: L-Ryoshi said: What exactly IS his deal?!? With that backstory, I am worried that they're going to make McGillis a power-hungry sociopath... Too late for that. They already did. It seems that our main characters picked the wrong horse to support this time and they are between a rock and a hard place. Chocolate man is a crazy power hungry fool. A guy so thirsty for absolute power and authority will never surrender a part of his power to someone else. So if they think his gonna give them authority on Mars they are diluted. Also even if by some miracle he was generous enough to do so at the same time it means they help a dictator rule earth so they can get some reward over Mars which makes them kind of villains since they helped a dictator so they can get power too. And after that how will they avoid a fight with him as administrators of Mars since trading etc with earth will be hard if they don't agree with his principles and enforce different rules on Mars. He will not like that and end up fighting them. At least when they were protecting Kudelia they were fighting for a person with a noble cause that only wanted to make the life of people better at her home and in other places. Now they are following a power hungry sociopath and the corrupted nobles seems like more just than him since they at least still have some restrictions and rules unlike him that won't have any since he wants absolute power. Maybe our protagonist should just let Gjallahorn fight each other and then attack whoever it's left and get all the power for themselves lol. |
MonadOct 4, 2017 4:56 PM
| Why is McGillis half naked? Oh.... GAY!!!!!!!! Bael. Agnika Kaieru. Vidar appears. Vidar is Gaelio. Dat scar. Mikazuki appears. Ein? Ein's brain? McGillis has it as well. McGillis is the supreme. Gaelio will defeat McGillis. Dat ending. |
| If you see that my post is exactly 1 month old (or more) from when it was posted... Don't waste your time, especially when you want to reply with something petty & insignificant. Assume that I've moved on (because I have). |
| MGillis is basically Griffith from Berserk, a character who has trampled their humanity to gain power after suffering as a child. I thought Gaelio was pretty cool. I wish he was the hero. Mika really creeps me out in this season (like when he says, "can I kill him?"), and the writers have like reduced him to doing nothing for most of the time. I feel like this series really picked up here, even if I am not a huge fan of this second season that much. |
satyrelfheim said: they stole the griffith story for sure MGillis is basically Griffith from Berserk, a character who has trampled their humanity to gain power after suffering as a child. I thought Gaelio was pretty cool. I wish he was the hero. Mika really creeps me out in this season (like when he says, "can I kill him?"), and the writers have like reduced him to doing nothing for most of the time. I feel like this series really picked up here, even if I am not a huge fan of this second season that much. |
| Wonder how many people are genuinely surprised at who Vidar really is. Still, that didn't make the confrontation any less intense. Chocolate man suddenly got OP. |
| McGillis past was really dark, it' obvious that if a kid is beat up, sexually abused and he nearly dies of hunger, he will develop psychological problems growing up. i think he started this crusade with good intentions, purifying Gjallarhorn from the inside, but now is blinded from absolute power and i think this will be McGillis' demise. i don't know what will happen to tekkadan and Kudelia now. |
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