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May 24, 2016 1:17 PM
#1
Let's do it. |
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May 24, 2016 5:03 PM
#2
Since my download finished already I'm gonna watch a few episodes before I go to bed. Episode 1 Not much to say yet. The characters seem okay and the mystery of not knowing what is going on is making me want to continue so overall I'd say we're up to a decent start. I'm usually not too picky on this kind of show as long as it keeps me somehow hooked so this should be a fun ride hopefully. Episode 2 Lots of shit happened this episode. I can always just facepalm in those moments when the best friend or something runs in front of the MCs sword. I mean I don't know who it was he was protecting but it's such a stupidly dramatic thing to do when you could just push the target out of the way or whatever. I guess the MC has been sent to Azkaban now. I wonder what that's gonna be like. Also that crew of new characters apparently out to free him has me interested too. Episode 3 He got over having killed/attacked Gil pretty quickly. A short 'sorry, please be alright' was all we got this episode. I kinda expected more drama about this after last episode. But the episode was fairly entertaining overall. The dementors chain thingies are good battle shounen material and I'm surprised he/they got out of the Abyss already after only one episode. Episode 4 Okay good so the Gil thing is not completely forgotten already. This was pretty much a standard setup episode. The contract with the rabbit gives MC some unique powers, he joins a team and has his own quest of finding the memory fragments. Nothing super exciting but I'm enjoying myself. Episode 5 I could do without some of the super expository dialogue but whatever. The thing with the clock completing the seal adds a nie touch to the otherwise fairly generic things-possess-humans-to-feed-and...what exactly? They mentioned how the contractor ends up when the seal is complete but not what the upside for the chain is when that happens. But yeah, the little girl not being saved was unexpected, this is edgier than I thought :>. Episode 6 Gil's memory loss backstory coupled with whoever he recognized under that cape and Oz's line about how Raven reminded him of Gil there's definitely something suspicious. I smell a future plot twist. Well I shouldn't have started writing this comment before I finished the whole episode. We got the plot twist/time skip revelation only a few minutes later. I feel stupid because I kept thinking of theories that made young and old Gilbert/Raven exist at the same time but with the time skip they don't have to. Good episode overall. |
AlcoholicideMay 24, 2016 8:37 PM
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May 24, 2016 8:56 PM
#3
1: Basically ominous forsehadowing: the episode. Just one big old puzzle box and we haven't seen the half of it. Don't really have a ton to say besides Keiji Fujiwara is the best at playing cool father figures. 2: Geezus Oz, look before ya fuckin' swing >_> The B-Rabbit wasn't much of a savior now was she? The moment it clicked with her that they were trying to get Oz into the Abyss, she seemed all for the idea. As for the guy who actually sent Oz to the abyss...well fuck, it's going to be hard to keep a tid lid on all dese spoilers >_> I normally don't say this, but this show has some pretty good next ep previews. I really dig that theme 3: I find it sort of funny that Oz thinks Alice actually saved him at the coming of age ceremony. Those hooded dudes were only going to send him to the Abyss. With all the chaos she caused, she still let them carry out the plan anyway. Only difference being people got hurt, including Oz and especially Gilbert. Not only that, the first thing she does under contract is body snatch him. What a bitch. And regarding the Abyss, when did Jack Skellington become such a jerk? 4: I don't have much to write about here either so I might as well just say that I freakin love this OST. Takes me back to a time where I could instantly catch on to a Kaijura ost and think "yeah this, I like this" 5: Well a cute girl just got dragged to the depths of -what is for all intents and purposes- hell. You don't see that kind of edge everyday lol. Still probably for the better as there wouldn't have been any point to that episode if there wasn't a painful lesson to go with it. Pullman said: I could do without some of the super expository dialogue but whatever. The thing with the clock completing the seal adds a nie touch to the otherwise fairly generic things-possess-humans-to-feed-and...what exactly? They mentioned how the contractor ends up when the seal is complete but not what the upside for the chain is when that happens. The upside for the Chain is the fact that they even got to go outside in the first place. Their kind of like zombies in that being a huge pain in the butt is just what they do except they have fun doing it. 6: Well, the real twist here is the fact that we've lept ten years into the future since Raven's identity was the show's worst kept secret (really glad they aren't dragging that one out for too long). Still, that doesn't explain why Zwei, Sheryl and Break haven't aged a day since the ceremony. And ffs, who d'ya your fooling with that cliffhanger >_> |
gedataMay 25, 2016 9:07 PM
May 25, 2016 9:54 AM
#4
gedata said: The upside for the Chain is the fact that they even got to go outside in the first place. Their kind of like zombies in that being a huge pain in the butt is just what they do except they have fun doing it. But they have to go back to the abyss too when the contract runs out? Because I was under the impression they were kinda looking forward to the fulfilling on the contract but if they have to go back to the abyss that wouldn't make much sense. |
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May 25, 2016 9:58 AM
#5
Pullman said: gedata said: The upside for the Chain is the fact that they even got to go outside in the first place. Their kind of like zombies in that being a huge pain in the butt is just what they do except they have fun doing it. But they have to go back to the abyss too when the contract runs out? Because I was under the impression they were kinda looking forward to the fulfilling on the contract but if they have to go back to the abyss that wouldn't make much sense. I guess killing people is really fun for those things. Besides, they seem to have a decent amount of time to do it. They just happened to find this one at the end of her countdown. Either way, they'll still end up in the Abyss. In the end they just want some mean thrills at the expense of others. Classic evil jobber thought process. |
gedataMay 25, 2016 10:05 AM
May 25, 2016 1:47 PM
#6
Ep 1 There's not enough context to say much, but I liked the atmosphere. The melody that plays when the watch opens was the only thing about Pandora Hearts that I was really familiar with beforehand. It's a great track in my opinion. Although I prefer a bit more context for guesswork, overall I'd say it was a decent start. Ep 2 I'm gonna guess that that was the servant's dad, somehow. Jumping in front of the sword was a really stupid thing to do, though. Again, my preference with mystery is to have at least a shred of context. The OST is great, but I'm not particularly invested in the conflict yet. I too am interested in the faction that's supposed to save Oz. Ep 3 Well, we finally found out what Alice is. Now the question is just how Oz and Alice knew each other before, or at least who the person who knew Alice before was (if their memory was passed to Oz rather than it actually being Oz). I'm not ruling out time travel mumbo jumbo either since it seemed to be alluded that time wasn't moving prior to Oz's coming-of-age ceremony. I liked the twist with the young noblewoman since they set it up so that the viewer would already be expecting her company to come get Oz, which parallels his unsuspecting mindframe. I think I'm starting to get into this a bit more now. Hopefully the next episode will follow up well. Oh, and I noticed a Yuki Kajura track in this episode. Didn't know that was from Pandora Hearts. |
TripleSRankMay 25, 2016 8:01 PM
May 25, 2016 6:53 PM
#7
7: The Will of the Abyss finally appears, and the conversation for regarding who the main antagonist (if there is any) actually is. Right now she can't seem to stand the idea of Alice maybe finding happiness outside of the Abyss. Should be interesting to see why. 8: Alice makes for a pretty adorable tsundere ngl. I like how her first instinct when wanting to look cool is to climb up to somewhere high sit all crossed and talk mad shit. Doing dumb stuff on occassion like eating flowers like an actual rabbit is a plus too. wouldfeedmeat/10 As it turns out, the indomitable ball of genki that is can talk all he wants about not letting things worry him (not that he's lying, like Alice said, throw him fucking hell and he'll have himself a tea party if he wants) but once his old man comes into the equation , he's just as vulnerable as any other kid. I can see a flashback on the horizon. Break seems like a pretty chipper dude for someone who's literally dying and is presumably nowhere close to uncovering the mysteries he wants to uncover. Is the one year thing something that other legit contractors have to deal with or just him? 9: Damn, did that flashback make me wanna give Oz a big hug. It kinda makes sense that he's still really hurt over that experience given that for him, the scar is still sort of fresh. Once again someone Oz helped on the streets got caught up in an incident with a chain, this time, through the kid's father. Is there any way out for these sad-sack illegal contractors besides death or the Abyss? 10: Oh boy, they really uncorked the cheese for this one. There was even a bloodied family photo lying in the rain. Though for as much as the show was drawing parallels between that kid and Oz, at least his dad was driven by his desire to take care of him, even if it meant being controlled by a chain. He wasn't a straight up dick like the head of house Vessalius is. And if you thought this show was still somehow lacking in mysteries, the last minute or so has you covered. 11: "A sealed loyalty will become a sharp sword" We'll soon see why such words mean as much to Break as they do eventually. For now, even with as much as we know about Gil now, his relationship with his little brother and where exactly the two came from is still a big mystery. Also can't help but wonder if we'll actually see him use the Raven in the anime, considering so far he's been getting by just fine by using the B-Rabbit or shooting stuff. I imagine it's something really dangerous that ought to be a last resort considering that he didn't use it against Grim a couple episodes back and chose to run when he couldn't unleash Alice. 12: Whilst I could do without the arm wrestling bit, this was good! Finally feels like things are moving a little, at least more than usual. Alice must be on the cusp of remembering something awful considering how her gut reaction was to the memory. Will we have enough context to understand what it even is though? |
gedataMay 26, 2016 1:52 PM
May 25, 2016 9:32 PM
#8
Ep 4 While I was pretty gratified at finally getting a good understanding of where the show is going, now that you mention it, Higashi, it is indeed a pretty standard adventure setup. Now I'm questioning my earlier preference for context. Hmm. I'm pretty sure the soundtrack you embedded is the one I recognized in the previous episode @gedata. I think I originally found it through... what was the name?.. immortalmage? Yeah, I think it was something like XsimmortalmagexX on youtube a few years back; they had a ton of awesome OSTs from various anime and games. It eventually got taken down and a bunch of smaller similar channels filled the void, but none of them have been quite as good as that first one. Anyway, the OST is very nice. Ep 5 Although that's a horrific way to die(?) and not interfering was probably best for Oz's safety anyway, I would like to note that that girl was killing people, so I wouldn't consider her a victim in this case. That was definitely edgy though. I also like the addition of a (long-term) countdown to the scenario. It adds a degree of tension. The extra teasing about Oz's crime makes it sound more like an actual crime than the ho-hum nonspecific "you shouldn't exist" line before. Ep 6 No need to feel stupid, Higashi. I was thinking along those lines as well: A straight-up time skip didn't and still doesn't entirely make sense because the young lady he met and Break appear to be the same age as they were before. Unless the young woman is actually his little sister somehow and she just looks similar, but even then there's still Break... Then there's still whoever Gil protected, of course. I wonder what the Will of the Abyss could possibly be. My first instincts would suspect something bad, but considering how villainous the Baskervilles seem, it's hard to say. |
TripleSRankMay 26, 2016 1:06 AM
May 26, 2016 5:55 AM
#9
Episode 7 Alice going emo after Oz rekindled his friendship with Gil is so typical anime. 'Oh noes this person I've been getting along with, he has a friend now. I'm bound to die alone in a pit :((((' I hope they don't make a whole arc out of it. The episode in general was interesting. Lots of #mystery and potential #foreshadowing. Nothing that makes me speculate anything in particular tho. |
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May 26, 2016 6:23 AM
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gedata said: 4: I don't have much to write about here either so I might as well just say that I freakin love this OST. Takes me back to a time where I could instantly catch on to a Kaijura ost and think "yeah this, I like this" AoDuxuesIEM I liked the OST for this anime as a whole, but there weren't that many tracks that REALLY stood out for me; most of them were very good but not amazing. Still I believe it's one of Kajiura's better works. Other than the one you posted, I really loved this track: |
May 26, 2016 9:25 AM
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Botato said: gedata said: 4: I don't have much to write about here either so I might as well just say that I freakin love this OST. Takes me back to a time where I could instantly catch on to a Kaijura ost and think "yeah this, I like this" AoDuxuesIEM I liked the OST for this anime as a whole, but there weren't that many tracks that REALLY stood out for me; most of them were very good but not amazing. Still I believe it's one of Kajiura's better works. You have a point, it's not quite as good as something like .hack//SIGN's (which this is show's OST is most reminiscent of) but it's something at least. Being an 8 or an 8.5 compared to a ten is pretty aight. |
May 26, 2016 11:31 AM
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Episode 8 I'm glad they explained why the other two haven't aged. Aside from that not much to say about this episode. Lots of exposition. |
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May 26, 2016 4:17 PM
#13
13: Was expecting more action based on the last episode. Meh, this show's action isn't all that anyway. Is the stage finally set for us to have an idea what the fuck is actually going on? Probably not Though we'll at least know a bit more about bigger Oz soon though. 14: There's a lot to unpack here, from the brief glimpse into Break's memories to that one memory the Alice of old wanted to forget. As is always the case with this series, from one answer sprouts many more questions. It also seemed that a portion of Jack's soul is well accquainted with Gilbert. What does their connection and Vincent's actions have to do with the event of 100 years prior? Also, not a big fan of the new ED. Gimme Maze over it any day tbh. 15: Classic shounen logic dictates that whenever a main character is gifted with an insanely broken power, there has to be some sort of limiter in place. That seems to be the case for Break since his Mad Hatter is the strongest chain when it comes to destroying other chains, but the physical toll seems to be rather large. Especially considering that he already hasn't much time to live. Now that Oz and Alice have escaped Cheshire Cat's dimension, they now have to deal with Pandora, who were mostly under the impression that Oz never escaped the Abyss. 16: And just like that Oz goes from being an enemy of Pandora to their golden egg goose. Such are the ways of the hero of 100 years prior It's a bit annoying how tight-lipped everyone in the know is at times (like Jack, Break, Vincent, etc.) but they all appear to have good reasons to do so , even if we aren't clear on those reasons right now. 17: So the imouto has finally been unleashed. She seems surprisingly nonplussed about inexplicably finding her Uncle invading school grounds. Whilst Vincent clearly is more of a side role player than THE primary antagonist, he's still the biggest dick in the series right now. 18: I like how Oz and Elliot's first encounter is essentially babby's first day on an anime forum put into motion. It was all in service of what the point of this ep (and probably the next one's) was, and that's to shit on Oz's romanticized martyrdom complex. For such a high end academy, Lutwidge kinda sucks. No campus security, students being allowed to carry weapons, secret passageways that anyone can easily open by mistakenly leaning on or pushing the wrong spot.... |
gedataJun 2, 2016 10:42 PM
May 26, 2016 5:07 PM
#14
Episode 9 That encounter between that servant and Oz was pretty funny. She just bought into him being Gil's owner without a second thought. The episode in general was a bit goofy, but I didn't dislike it. Nice jazzy OST during the fight too. It seems lately everything I watch has some jazz in its OST, which is pretty great. Episode 10 Lots of drama this episode, expanding on the tragedy that are the illegal contractors. It was a bit cheesy and dragged out tho. But we got some Vincento-sama and as gedate mentioned nice mystery stuff towards the end. I'm really starting to like Break. |
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May 26, 2016 6:44 PM
#15
Is it just me who has that version where the OP/ED have a base volume that is like 3x louder than that for the actual episodes? Startles me every time I play a new episode. Episode 11 Vincent's heterochromia and Break missing an eye make me think there's a connection but maybe it's too obvious. Also more interesting exposition flashbacks this episode. It was nice to learn about the four duke houses and their access to the abyss alongside seeing what happened to Gil after Oz was sent to the Abyss. Break is onto Gil's Yaoi intentions, lmao. Episode 12 Some okay comic relief in the first half and some more Break/Alice in the second so overall a decent episode. The Cheshire cat seems interesting too. Maybe the man in Alice's memories is Oz's father/ancestor? Idk, something makes me think that might be the case. Episode 13 We got to know a bit about 100 years ago and the history of the Duke houses, which was interesting. Lots of things are still unclear but I'm beginning to see how some of the things relate to each other. I'm also interested in knowing more about the Cheshire Cat and what role he played 100 years ago (which is also about the time when Alice lost her memory, I'm assuming). What kind of relationship did he have with Alice that he kept guarding her memories all these years? Also I'm pretty sure that man Gil is seeing is the same from Alice's past so I guess I was right about it being Oz's ancestor. The hair was giving it away :>. |
AlcoholicideMay 26, 2016 7:47 PM
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May 26, 2016 10:29 PM
#16
My source... unfortunately does not have the OP or EDs for some reason. Mfw I didn't even notice until you mentioned it. I'll have to look those up. .-. Ep 7 I'm still suspecting so sort of funky time stuff going on since the guy in the memory (An older Oz? Or maybe some previous version of Oz?) told Gil to protect her (Alice?) this time (implying he didn't "last time"). Other than that I'm not quite sure what to think. The Will of the Abyss seemed to take on a form that resembled Alice's first memory at the end of the episode. Maybe the Will of the Abyss and Alice are connected somehow, like two sides of a coin or something? And although it is a pretty common trope, I do think it's fairly believable for a human-like being unaccustomed to social contact to grow jealous when their closest connection isn't exclusive. What makes it grating is that Alice is pretending to not even want friends, so I can't sympathize much. Ep 8 So Break and other legal contractors age normally despite appearing continually youthful. It's too bad Oz didn't know about Pandora's contract terms before; it might have put him in a more favorable situation right now. Ep 9 Normally I would just suggest "breaking the contract" somehow, but that would probably send the contractor back to the Abyss too, so eh. It seems the father was able to come back in his own time, at least. I know what being hated by one's parents can do to a person, even right down to the specific example of the child "being a mistake". I don't think "it's horrible" could begin to describe the effect. In fact, now I can't help but wonder if Oz is in some senses even lonelier than Gil and Alice. At least Gil can imagine that his parents would have been loving. Ep 10 We don't know a lot about Pandora, to be honest. What sort of information could Vincent or any Pandora member want to hide, and why? Is it related to the Baskervilles? Although the part with the dad was indeed dramatic, I'm liking the aftereffects on Oz in a meta sense. For once, and it really is too uncommon, the main character's characterization is my favorite part of the show. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ep 11 I think the eye deal is as you suspect, Higashi, even if it does seem too obvious. That makes Break's threat to Vincent last episode more colorful, in my opinion. Perhaps Break thinks Oz will betray Fil because of whatever happened between himself and Vincent? I thought Pandora was ran concurrently with the Duke houses rather than being made up of the houses directly. How did they each obtain their gate, anyway? Who was/were the precursor(s) that secured them, I wonder? It's nice to know Gil has a trump card. Could a Raven match Alice? Ep 12 Huh, so there are dimensions other than the normal world and the Abyss. Good to know. It's also good to know that Alice isn't the only "special" Chain; it was unclear if she was the only unique one until now. I've thought from the beginning that the man in the memory was connected to Oz, since he apparently recognized Gil. How that's possible when the memory is over a century old doesn't make sense yet, though. This is getting more interesting. Ep 13 So Jack Vessalius, the one who stopped Glen Baskerville and the Baskerville House from sucking the whole country into the Abyss, is the man who knew Alice and the ancestor of Oz... That's a fairly substantial reveal. Did he use Alice to stop them somehow, or did he "lose" himself and it just affected Alice adversely? If the Baskervilles had obtained all five gates to the Will of the Abyss at the time, he must have done something incredible in order to take them away. What the Will of the Abyss wants is the biggest missing puzzle piece, I think, but learning the nature of Jack and Alice's relationship would be an excellent first step. I can see my opinion of this series improving if it continues to deliver the mystery and suspense well. Ep 14 I had lightly wondered about it for awhile, and particularly in my comment on the previous episode I thought about questioning whether Alice was always a Chain, but I chose not to. I thought it would be too much of a stretch to suggest that she had previously been human based on the info we had, so I didn't type it out... I wish I had now, because surely enough it turns out she was indeed a human before. A human becoming a Chain is definitely strange, and it seems she already associated with the Cheshire Cat when she was human. When you couple that with all of the info on the Sabrié tragedy and the small glimpse of Break's past... I have a lot to mull on. I think a temptation with mystery, at least for me, is to just keep consuming when guessing and digesting information more slowly adds to the experience, so I'll stop myself and make some guesses here. I think the upshot, the most clear reveal, is that Vincent is somehow the cause or at least closely related to the cause of the Tragedy of Sabrié. Whether that means he and Gilbert were previously part of the Baskerville House, they provoked the Baskerville House, or something else, it's unclear. I do think it was implied that Vincent killed Alice, but I might be looking at it in an overly literal way. Also, if Vincent is over a hundred years old and his eye is indeed Break's missing eye, then that means Break is over a hundred years old too (and he might have even known or known of Jack, like Gil apparently did). The question then is what Vincent's current goals are. (As a reminder, he sent Echo to Sharon, which seemed kinda shady given the circumstances.) If he remembers everything about the Tragedy of Sabrié, then it's possible that he knows more about Alice and the Abyss itself than any other living non-Baskerville. I'm actually a bit more curious about how Break factors into this than Vincent though, even though both are presumably important. Hopefully we'll find out the significance of the Cheshire Cat to Alice before Break kills him. Still, a human becoming a Chain... How does that happen, and how does it relate to the Will of the Abyss? It's almost as if the Cheshire Cat is (in a sense) protecting Alice despite directly following the Will of the Abyss, yet they're supposed to hate her. We're still missing something important there. Why was the Will mimicking Alice's prior human state shortly after we saw it confront Oz and Alice some episodes back? Why did Alice originally have to be locked in that tower anyway? I look forward to getting some additional info. Ep 15 Did anyone else find it creepy that Oz seemed to enter the same state of mind Vincent was in at the Tragedy of Sabrié? The Cheshire Cat seemed to be under a similar delusion as well. While I appreciated the additional focus on the tragedy of Alice's death, we didn't really get any more answers. At best I might guess that there's some sort of deeper connection between Oz, Vincent, and Jack as a trio, but any suspicions I have there are too vague to form a hypothesis with. The reunion became a bit cheesy when Alice explicitly painted herself as a damsel in distress, but other than that I enjoyed the episode. It seems Vincent's errand for Echo was to ask Sharon to drop Oz and Alice out at the Pandora meeting. I'm not sure what that will accomplish for him, though, or why Sharon would agree to it in the first place. |
TripleSRankMay 28, 2016 12:26 AM
May 28, 2016 12:15 AM
#17
19: Well, that was surprisingly easy, though it makes sense that the Baskervilles would retreat since they were no match for the B-Rabbit's strength when they attacked at the Coming of Age ceremony either. The flashback was interesting, but didn't add on to what we know so much as it reinforced previous knowledge. We still lack context behind why Glen did what he did (why kill everyone in Sablier if his plan was to send them to the Abyss anyway?). The one scene with Lotti questioning his actions was interesting. Why? Well, notice the tone of his voice when giving the order. He sounded more desperate then he did outright wicked 20: I should be more annoyed with an episode being used on frivolous nonsense this late with as much the show has left unaddressed and with such little time, but I found it sort of funny so eh. We'll talk about that later (and there will be much to talk about, let me assure you that) 21: A bit slow to get to the point, but this one got interesting after Break killed the Monopoly guy. It's pretty safe to say that chains are the result of either objects given life (presumably by the Will of the Abyss herself) or the main ingredient of soylent green. Seeing Break's story play out does do a good job of demystifying the dude. The next episode is probably going to somehow give us the source of Break's apprehensiveness towards Vincent and make sense of why he wants to find out the secrets of Sablier despite the tragedy not having to do much with him personally. It also seems that the Will of the Abyss has the same name as Alice for some reason. 22: Really dug these past two episodes. It was interesting to see the true face behind Break's clownish smile. Definitely my favorite dude in this anime thus far. He’s goofy, sadistic, and a bit subtle in a way. Cool dude. Now that we know what the Will of the Abyss is to Alice, but still nothing about how she became a chain. The logical conclusion based off of what we've seen thus would be that her body somehow revived as one after sinking into the Abyss or something like that. Oz threatening to use Jack's influence to protect Break from having his crimes ousted is pretty bold too. Can't afford to have him taken away since their not done using each other yet. |
gedataMay 29, 2016 4:03 PM
May 28, 2016 8:23 AM
#18
That's why I prefer you guys writing a new posts when you continue watching instead of editing previous ones to death ^^. Didn't get any notifications yesterday so I figured you two were taking a break as well but suddenly both of you have secretly edited in 10+ episodes :>. I'll try and catch up. |
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May 28, 2016 11:36 AM
#19
Episode 14 @TripleSRank I think the upshot, the most clear reveal, is that Vincent is somehow the cause or at least closely related to the cause of the Tragedy of Sabrié. Whether that means he and Gilbert were previously part of the Baskerville House, they provoked the Baskerville House, or something else, it's unclear. I do think it was implied that Vincent killed Alice, but I might be looking at it in an overly literal way. Also, if Vincent is over a hundred years old and his eye is indeed Break's missing eye, then that means Break is over a hundred years old too (and he might have even known or known of Jack, like Gil apparently did). The question then is what Vincent's current goals are. (As a reminder, he sent Echo to Sharon, which seemed kinda shady given the circumstances.) If he remembers everything about the Tragedy of Sabrié, then it's possible that he knows more about Alice and the Abyss itself than any other living non-Baskerville. I'm actually a bit more curious about how Break factors into this than Vincent though, even though both are presumably important. Vincent could have taken the eye at any point, I don't see how it has to mean he's also 100 years old. Also Vincent (and Gil) might not literally be 100 years old. Might have just made a time jump after going to the abyss. In fact I'd say that's most likely to be the case. All we know is that Vincent and probably Gil were there at the Tragedy of Sabrie and as you said Vincent looked heavily involved. Alice's role back then is still unclear but like you the reveal that she used to be human didn't surprise me too much. But I am interested in the circumstances of her death. As for humans turning into chains, maybe that's what happens to a human who finishes the contract and gets dragged to the abyss? Maybe all conscious chains used to be humans? Idk, but I do hope we get a decent explanation for that at some point. Episode 15 Yeah this episode had a lot of action but there wasn't really any progress made with the mystery so it felt kinda long compared to most other episodes. I sure hope we find out what happened to Gil and Break at some point but for now them suddenly popping up at Pandora is interesting enough. Episode 16 I'm not very fond of this weird ancestor ghost possession thing. Why does Jack still exist in that form anyway? It seems to just be there for convenience in terms of the storytelling as far as I can tell. But yeah, he talk no jutsu'd Oz up to be their savior but Vinent and the Baskervilles are still on the loose so I expect shit to go down soon. Episode 17 This is another case of 'I should have brought it up' but I kinda figured Break's eye might be the Cheshire cat's because they looked very similar. After looking at the eye colors/design of Break and Vincent I saw that neither of Vincent's eyes looked like Break's so I thought my initial theory might be wrong. Seems like it was. What is what imouto filler in the second half tho? Srsly. I hope that goes away quickly. |
AlcoholicideMay 28, 2016 2:20 PM
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May 28, 2016 5:07 PM
#20
tfw u keep editing I'm curious, any reason you prefer doing it that way even when you wouldn't be doubleposting? |
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May 28, 2016 5:17 PM
#21
Pullman said: tfw u keep editing I'm curious, any reason you prefer doing it that way even when you wouldn't be doubleposting? Consistency's sake. I'll likely be finishing the series today anyway so I don't think it matters. but if it triggers you guess I don't mind |
gedataMay 29, 2016 9:08 PM
May 28, 2016 10:02 PM
#22
23: This was the 1st episode to completely comprise of anime original content. Whilst that's not inherently a bad thing, the problem is that there just isn't enough time to do it right. As for the episode itself, it was pretty meh. Just a bunch of dead ends and "lol we don't know what's going on still" followed by a conflict that seemingly came from nowhere. We'll see where this is going but it may be better to lower expectations at this point. 24: The script writers clearly didn't know where to take this series on their own with such little time, but they at least tried to make it fun. Though, between the recycled chain designs, unremarkable animation and anticlimactic resolution, they couldn't even achieve that, now could they? 1 episode left and the series has no momentum. Tuh-riffic. 25: What a tepid excuse of an ending. I'll amend this post with details later, but I really shouldn't have to explain why this wasn't good. EDIT: Aherm, anyway, even before we talk about this as an ending, this episode was pretty weak on its own. The themes of self-actualization and acceptance just feel sorta crammed into the point where it feels like discount Evangelion (which handled said ideas much better of course). And then Oz and Alice annihilate one of the Chains of the 4 Dukedoms through...the power of yelling really loud? Sure thing guys. It doesn't help that we still understand Xai Vessalius as a character and what exactly his point of view is. And then as an ending, hoo boy. This basically covers my biggest gripe with monthly manga adaptations and how some of them try to force closure on a story that's clearly not ready to end after more or less covering the manga down to the letter. I'm not sure what Xebec wanted to accomplish with this. Did they want enough closure for Oz as a character to the point we'd forgive them for not even trying to resolve anything? We already established that they did a weak job of that. Did they want to sequel bait us? I'm not even sure of that either. This last episode contradicts later events of the manga. Nothing too major, but enough to the point where they'd have to either retcon these final episodes to make said sequel or redo the whole thing from scratch. So did they just want to bait people into getting the manga with an ending that would put a bad taste in everyone's mouth? If so, it worked, because I did and I loved it Let's run down a bunch of stuff that went unanswered for the lols -What the fuck happened Sablier? Why? -Who the hell is Glen really? -Who actually killed Alice? -Why does Vincent hate Alice? -Who is Ada's crush/lover? -Why does Xai hate Oz? -What the fuck is Oz? -What became of Jack after the Tragedy of Sablier? Why is he in Oz's mind? Credit where credit is due though, that last insert song that played during the """"fight"""" with Gryphon was pretty great. Shame we only got to hear it once. |
gedataJun 2, 2016 10:46 PM
May 29, 2016 4:59 AM
#23
aww, thanks though I could have handled it ^^. Probs gonna wrap it up today too, or at least close to it. Episode 18 After the useless one dimensional imouto now we get a bunch of other new characters. Never a good signal when the last 3rd of a series feels like they're just getting started. Not that I'm disliking these new non-imouto characters but I just don't see it reaching a satisfying conclusion at this rate, which is a shame. As soon as I get that feeling my motivation for series usually nosedives but hey, I'll try and enjoy the ride at least. I like Eliot and the speech he gave OZ at the end. Wish they introduced him earlier or we had more episodes left. Episode 19 Deus ex Jack saving the day once again. Kinda boring tbh. And while I do like Eliot and the pep talks he's giving Oz it feels kinda awkward, those are most along the lines of conversations I'd expect between friends not strangers who met just a few hours ago. And why did that friggin imouto exist? She had no purpose after all in this arc. They better make her relevant in some way or I'll rant even more. Episode 20 That was one of the more retarded tsundere scenes with Alice going on about property and whatnot. But the clichéd drunk orgy was pretty funny actually. Overall a decent comic relief episode but this far into the series I'd rather have plot progression tbh. Episode 21 Lots of revelations in this flashback of Break. Pretty interesting stuff. Alice is actually the will (I'm assuming somehow she split in two after some event and lost her memories in the process or something like that) and seems to be very possessive about Jack(?) and by extension Oz too most likely. We also got to know how Break fits into the picture and that the Abyss does indeed turn humans into chains. Now I'd like them to go back a bit further and show what lead to this whole interaction between Alice/the will, Jack, Vincent, Gil and Glen. Episode 22 They partly obliged me by showing us how Jack meet Alice which was interesting. And the full story of Break also helps put things into perspective. So his time was somewhere between now and the tragedy of sabrie so even he doesn't know the details of what happened back then. Even the Cheshire cat got some more exposition. I have to sy as much as I've enjoyed all these 'answers' these past two episodes it feels kind of like a montage where they just cram in as much information as possible and the flow of the story gets lost a bit. That's why they could have used that comic relief episode better imo. Episode 23 It wasn't hard to figure out this was when it all goes filler. It felt kinda disjointed and a bunch of stuff started happening out of nowhere. At least the show managed to stay interesting for longer than I expected. But there's still no reason for the imouto to exist. Episode 24 Yeah... I'm barely paying attention at this point, I'm so not invested into this weird final filler arc. Like gedata mentioned they didn't even manage to make this episode particularly appealing visually with those repetitive designs. Only the OST was on point as usual. Let's get this over with. Episode 25 So his father vanished 10 years ago? lol I'm not even gonna mull over this. I agree with gedata's criticism. But since I kinda expect this kind of unsatsifying ending from most anime I tend to not lower my rating too much because of it. It was a solid 7 for most of the first 22 episodes so that's what I'll rate it despite the meh ending. |
AlcoholicideMay 29, 2016 4:23 PM
I probably regret this post by now. |
May 29, 2016 4:43 PM
#24
Pullman said: But since I kinda expect this kind of unsatsifying ending from most anime I tend to not lower my rating too much because of it. I can see this type of thing coming too. Doesn't make it any less frustrating but what can you do? Also forgot about the DVD specials. Should probably have a look those too. |
gedataMay 29, 2016 4:56 PM
Jun 2, 2016 7:26 PM
#25
Apologies for another disappearance, but you guys finished up anyway so I don't feel too bad. :3 @Pullman I generally only do that if I'm the last to post. I can separate them in our simulwatches in the future if you wish. The reason I watched so many at the time is because I had fallen so far behind even you, and I was trying to keep up. (Irl stuff made that moot anyway, as you see, but oh well.) I don't know how much I'll watch tonight, but I'll plan on watching a lot more tomorrow. Ep 16 I don't find it particularly convincing that everyone just believed Jack. For all those Pandora people know, it's just Oz pretending to be the legendary Jack Vessalius. He didn't really show anything convincing that he was who he claimed he was either. Plus, like Higashi mentioned, we don't have much of an explanation for how Jack is even still "alive" in this form. Maybe Glen is still "alive" in a similar form? I saw the thing with Break coming a mile away. I wonder if he actually traded the memory or not... |
Jun 2, 2016 9:05 PM
#26
Jun 2, 2016 10:34 PM
#27
Tyrel said: Is this show worth watching? I've had it on hold for... 1405 days according to mal. Spoiler tagging this post since I don't want triplesrank seeing my overall impressions before finishing. No actual spoilers though. I like it, though I would caution against watching it if you don't plan on giving the manga a read as well since it's woefully incomplete and unsatisfying when looked at as a standalone work. For what it's worth, I still enjoyed the ride |
gedataJun 2, 2016 10:40 PM
Jun 2, 2016 10:39 PM
#28
TripleSRank said: Ep 16 I don't find it particularly convincing that everyone just believed Jack. For all those Pandora people know, it's just Oz pretending to be the legendary Jack Vessalius. He didn't really show anything convincing that he was who he claimed he was either. Plus, like Higashi mentioned, we don't have much of an explanation for how Jack is even still "alive" in this form. Maybe Glen is still "alive" in a similar form? If Oz was faking, then that would make for one hell of a performance. Imagine a kid taking such an adult and commanding tone of voice like that. |
Jun 3, 2016 9:17 AM
#29
gedata said: TripleSRank said: Ep 16 I don't find it particularly convincing that everyone just believed Jack. For all those Pandora people know, it's just Oz pretending to be the legendary Jack Vessalius. He didn't really show anything convincing that he was who he claimed he was either. Plus, like Higashi mentioned, we don't have much of an explanation for how Jack is even still "alive" in this form. Maybe Glen is still "alive" in a similar form? If Oz was faking, then that would make for one hell of a performance. Imagine a kid taking such an adult and commanding tone of voice like that. I do grant that: it would be an incredible performance. Even so, it felt like they accepted it a little too easily. Ep 17 Eh. I could really do without the poor gags/comedy, and the reunion with Ada felt a bit overwrought too. I'm also not sure how I feel about Oz potentially finding another clue in a seemingly-random location rather than through a lead, but it is what it is I guess. Ep 18 I feel like Gilbert could have fulfilled the role in calling out Oz's overeagerness to die. Selflessness and self-sacrifice certainly isn't wrong, but there's a BIG difference between that and just giving up, which is what Oz has been doing. He's more or less given up on living, likely due to his parental issues (keeping in mind he's only 15 years old). But to get back on point, I too do not care for this late introduction to characters that haven't been previously referenced. Meeting Glen Baskerville or something is one thing, but these guys? Come on. I hope the ending to this is at least decent. |
TripleSRankJun 3, 2016 3:57 PM
Jun 4, 2016 12:51 PM
#30
Ep 19 This whole episode felt awkward to be honest. It would be more believable for Oz to outright reject Eliot's words precisely because Eliot knows nothing about him. I think Oz's development would have been a lot more satisfying if it had been handled differently; as is it's more frustrating than gratifying. Plus there's dues ex Jack, in Higashi's words. xD I was enjoying this show quite a bit up until now. I hope it regains its footing soon; a mystery and suspense needs a good conclusion more than most other types of stories. |
Jun 15, 2016 9:21 PM
#31
Ep 20 Worst episode so far in my opinion. I found the scenes more annoying than amusing, and it's a bit late for more comic relief. The end part with Eliot's dreams was the only thing noteworthy. |
Jun 23, 2016 1:48 AM
#32
Ep 21 This episode was really grating until Break broke the illusion of the Duke. The comedic and "eccentric" parts of the show are by far the weakest, and Alice's boasting was eye-roll inducing. Thankfully what came after was much more interesting, so it balanced out at least. I'm with Pullman that Alice likely split into two somehow when she became a Chain. How part of her become the actual Will of the Abyss is quite the question, even so. It's nice to see how Break factors into all of this as well. Ep 22 I don't have much to add to what you guys said. It was nice to see Oz make use of his influence for a change, and the reveals were definitely gratifying. Ep 23 I actually did not know and could not tell that this was filler, being mostly unfamiliar with the source. There was a clear shift in gears, however, with the small timeskip and change of pace in terms of progression. You can tell the show is rushing toward its end. That being said, I'm not all that discontent with what this episode offered in and of itself. It's just that I get the feeling that the previous development with the Duke (as well as other developments) will be neglected now that I know the ending of this series is filler... How unfortunate. I am curious about what will happen with the town, at least. Perhaps my ignorance of the source will shield me somewhat and lessen the impact of the loss, despite the regrets I voiced above. To put it bluntly, this episode didn't feel any more haphazard than Oz's character development with the two young Nightrays whose names' I've already forgotten. It felt par for the show's descent from its potential, which is to say it didn't lessen my view of this series beyond what those episodes did. |
Jul 19, 2016 4:08 PM
#33
Ep 24 That was very tedious to sit through. I was thinking the whole time what an awful way this was to end the series, given how random/unexplained the attack was and the ho-hum uniting-for-greater-threat development that seems entirely unsuited to the Baskervilles. Then it turns out that wasn't even directly connected to the finale, which made it even more pointless than it already was. Meh. Ep 25 So nothing is resolved and we don't get answers to any of the important questions that made the earlier episodes interesting in the first place. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against open endings as a matter of course. There have been anime I've watched that have used them well or at least been innocuous enough to not take away from the overall experience. However, this is a case of the worst type of open ending in my opinion, and I do usually dock the anime a point in rating if it ends this poorly when the ending is important (with previous examples including Space Brothers and Akatsuki no Yona, both of which I liked more than this in the first place). The source might be worth checking out, but I wouldn't recommend this adaptation to anyone as a standalone work. I'm glad to have finally gotten myself to finish this, at least. |
TripleSRankJul 19, 2016 4:51 PM
Jul 19, 2016 4:24 PM
#34
Jul 19, 2016 4:54 PM
#35
gedata said: Oh you still haven't finished this? Not that I can blame you. Those last 3 episodes were pretty dull and tensionless. I finally managed to push through. Tyrel said: Is this show worth watching? I've had it on hold for... 1405 days according to mal. I share gedata's view: you're likely better off with the source (although I haven't read it). The ending to this adaptation was very unsatisfactory in my opinion. |
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