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| I've been wondering...what kind of dialect does Atui uses? I know it's not normal Japanese or Kansai dialect but something about how she speaks kinda interest me. Osaka probably? |
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Ruri-san said: I've been wondering...what kind of dialect does Atui uses? I know it's not normal Japanese or Kansai dialect but something about how she speaks kinda interest me. Osaka probably? Its supposed to be kansai-ben |
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| Y'all, Kuon hasn't gone full betrayal. Kurou stated this episode that Kuon could cause Tuskuru to lose almost singlehandedly, so she obviously doesn't want that. She just wants her friends and the people of Tuskuru to be safe. If Yamato doesn't make progress and win, they're gonna send Vurai and actually massacre all of Tuskuru. Now, I don't believe the emperor is dead. I just feel like this is part of a plan to beat Tuskuru or something. |
| Kuon's not really on Yamato's side. She's on Haku's side. I get the feeling that she knows much more about him than she lets on as well. When Haku's team is just about to portal out, Haku gives his name to Kurou, he puts the various dots together while looking at Kuon, and it seems like things make sense to him. |
| Kuon chooses the Conquest route in Fire Emblem Fates instead of her Birthright.. Hope for a Revelation in the end of the series. |
| "Even you, the beloved child of the man I swore my soul to..." "If you were serious, you could tear this country in half." So many foreshadowing to who she is. Though it should be obvious who she is and what her position is in Tuskuru. Overall, this episode was interesting since Kurou and Benawi showed themselves on the battlefield. Although Kurou probably had more screen time, whenever Benawi was on screen he was badass. Especially the last part when he let Munechika retreat, though it might not have been a good choice military-wise. (Unless they had an ambush prepared) |
booyah10Feb 21, 2016 10:50 PM
AnimeAdamOP said: Y'all, Kuon hasn't gone full betrayal. Kurou stated this episode that Kuon could cause Tuskuru to lose almost singlehandedly, so she obviously doesn't want that. She just wants her friends and the people of Tuskuru to be safe. If Yamato doesn't make progress and win, they're gonna send Vurai and actually massacre all of Tuskuru. For reasons others have already pointed out, the reasoning used by the characters in this show is almost criminally stupid. I believe that the writers merely chose the most convenient option to advance the plot. Others have pointed out how Kuon chose to betray her home and family. Regardless of how 'naive' she might been (a seasoned traveller to a foreign country!) she is no doubt aware that travelling with an invading army into her homeland will result in her having to witness or even take part in the injury and death of her family and friends back home. Even worse; she directly took part in a raid on the grainstore- does she honestly believe no one will be hurt or killed in the raid? And does she honestly believe that forcing her country to submit to Yamato will keep the population safe, particularly since she has no knowledge of why the war started or what Yamato wants? And if she does know, why not take steps to address that directly by negotiation etc instead on embarking on this foolhardy war? Much of the same criticism of stupidity can be levelled at Haku. How exactly did he plan to escape from a guarded military encampment with his friends after firing the grain store? Is it not irresponsible and foolhardy to put the lives of his friends at risk? And the rest- if Benawi is aware that the grain store will be attacked, why post one guard only? And what happened to the rest of the guards; should they not come running when the fight began? The sheer stupidity of the script is appalling. I almost believe that this show worked better as a SOL. Edit: I just did some checking. There is no scriptwriter for the 2nd season. And the director is a different director from the 1st season which I quite enjoyed. Hmm. |
JacaraFeb 22, 2016 4:07 AM
Jacara said: For reasons others have already pointed out, the reasoning used by the characters in this show is almost criminally stupid. I believe that the writers merely chose the most convenient option to advance the plot. Others have pointed out how Kuon chose to betray her home and family. Regardless of how 'naive' she might been (a seasoned traveller to a foreign country!) she is no doubt aware that travelling with an invading army into her homeland will result in her having to witness or even take part in the injury and death of her family and friends back home. Even worse; she directly took part in a raid on the grainstore- does she honestly believe no one will be hurt or killed in the raid? And does she honestly believe that forcing her country to submit to Yamato will keep the population safe, particularly since she has no knowledge of why the war started or what Yamato wants? And if she does know, why not take steps to address that directly by negotiation etc instead on embarking on this foolhardy war? She DID NOT. BETRAY. THE COUNTRY. She is invested in ending the war as far as it can happen before Vurai genocides the hell out of Tuskuru's civillians. She is not interested in either side losing or getting defeated - the very fact that the masks are not being used and Vurai is not there already shows that Emperor has on interest in actually conquering the country. All that she has to do is to figure out HOW to use her social standing in Tuskuru to end the war. TILL she can do that, the only thing she can do is to help minimize casualties. In this case if Munechika lost, Emperor WOULD have sent in Vurai. And then everyone would die. So the only short term solution possible is to prevent that in having Munechika succeed. Much of the same criticism of stupidity can be levelled at Haku. How exactly did he plan to escape from a guarded military encampment with his friends after firing the grain store? Is it not irresponsible and foolhardy to put the lives of his friends at risk? We actually see the explosion take out the barrier. Reasonably one can assume that is how he planned to escape too. His team were willing participants. Putting your lives at risk to save thousands of civillians is something they were willing to do. And the rest- if Benawi is aware that the grain store will be attacked, why post one guard only? And what happened to the rest of the guards; should they not come running when the fight began? That one "Guard" could take on an army. Benawi recognizes it as a honorable fight. We KNOW that Tuskuru side is aware of Kuon messing around and I guess they want to give her a benefit of a doubt and a chance. Neither side is out for blood. This war has no "villain". As shown with how Benawi and Munechika part in the first place. |
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You have obviously not been paying attention to the show, because Kuon herself knows she is a traitor. She herself said "Can you forgive me for betraying my country..." in ep 20. She is invested in ending the war as far as it can happen before Vurai genocides the hell out of Tuskuru's civillians. Where does she say/show that? Her original decision was to avoid the war entirely, and she changed her mind after Haku made a rambling drunken speech while looking for her. So its safe to say she didn't join the war to save people, but because of Haku. She is not interested in either side losing or getting defeated The soldiers are fighting for a fortress which is so important the best general Tuskuru has was sent to defend it. She is working to actively force Tuskuru to surrender the fortress by starving its soldiers. You have a very funny definition of "not losing". the very fact that the masks are not being used and Vurai is not there already shows that Emperor has on interest in actually conquering the country. Or, as the Mikado himself said at the start of ep20, he assumed the 3 armies he sent were sufficient for the job. the only thing she can do is to help minimize casualties. By starving the soldiers of he own country? That's going to work really well, when history has shown time and again that there are people fighting for the freedom of their own country who would rather starve than surrender. So the only short term solution possible is to prevent that in having Munechika succeed. Munechika's objective is to force Tuskuru to surrender. So your logic is that Kuon wants to force Tuskuru to surrender for the good of her country, seriously? It may interest you to know Benedict Arnold gave the same excuse for his betrayal of the US. We actually see the explosion take out the barrier. Reasonably one can assume that is how he planned to escape too. Firstly, while discussing plans to break in, his first suggestion was to break down the wall. The response he got was "impossible". So no, I'd say the breaking barrier is an example of shoddy fact checking. Assuming that the wall could be broken but he was told that it was impossible for other reasons eg the guards being around, then it still stands as an example of poor planning. That one "Guard" could take on an army. Benawi recognizes it as a honorable fight. We KNOW that Tuskuru side is aware of Kuon messing around and I guess they want to give her a benefit of a doubt and a chance. *roll eyes* sneaking in to bomb provisions and cause starvation is an honourable fight? keeping away the guards, leaving only one man there to make it fair although the other side did not ask for an honourable fight? (which is clearly insufficient btw, they bombed the place and Benawi was not that stupid in s1) |
TyrelFeb 22, 2016 5:17 PM
Jacara said: You have obviously not been paying attention to the show, because Kuon herself knows she is a traitor. She herself said "Can you forgive me for betraying my country..." in ep 20. Yes let's conveniently just FORGET what Kurou answers to that. Where does she say/show that? Her original decision was to avoid the war entirely, and she changed her mind after Haku made a rambling drunken speech while looking for her. So its safe to say she didn't join the war to save people, but because of Haku. The scene where Munechika and Haku talk about Vurai is there for a reason. And she already stated why she wants to end the war last episode. The soldiers are fighting for a fortress which is so important the best general Tuskuru has was sent to defend it. She is working to actively force Tuskuru to surrender the fortress by starving its soldiers. You have a very funny definition of "not losing". She can't do anything to prevent soldiers lives being lost. Its a war. She can do everything she can to prevent civilian casualties or needless loss of life, however. She has no fear that Tuskuru won't lose. She KNOWS they won't. And as Kurou said if she wanted to actually betray them, Tuskuru would be in far worse state now. Or, as the Mikado himself said at the start of ep20, he assumed the 3 armies he sent were sufficient for the job. Which means that if Munechika fails, Vurai comes in and innocent people start dying. By starving the soldiers of he own country? That's going to work really well, when history has shown time and again that there are people fighting for the freedom of their own country who would rather starve than surrender. Loss of few dozens of soldiers in a war she has no way to stop Versus A giant Godzilla coming in and massacring civilians, women and children. The choice is easy. Also again, its not a blood feud. As it has been made painfully clear, neither of the sides have such an investment or hatred for the other. Munechika's objective is to force Tuskuru to surrender. So your logic is that Kuon wants to force Tuskuru to surrender for the good of her country, seriously? It may interest you to know Benedict Arnold gave the same excuse for his betrayal of the US. Holy shit do you even watch the show? Munechika's SHORT TERM objective is to gain control of that fortress - WE SEE HAKU AND HER TALK ABOUT HOW IF SHE FAILS HERE, VURAI WILL MOST LIKELY KILL THEM ALL. And Munechika, who is a more merciful one and who is on Oshutoru's and Haku's side is far better alternative, than a GIANT GODZILLA BURNING EVERYTHING DOWN. Firstly, while discussing plans to break in, his first suggestion was to break down the wall. The response he got was "impossible". So no, I'd say the breaking barrier is an example of shoddy fact checking. Assuming that the wall could be broken but he was told that it was impossible for other reasons eg the guards being around, then it still stands as an example of poor planning. The wall had nothing to do with barrier. He said some amateurish suggestions, then he asked the twins about the barrier and they said that the guy in the tower has barrier set up there. Thus the only way is to enter and destroy it all from inside. Then the barrier solution becomes viable. Again - do you even watch the show or do you just leave it in background? *roll eyes* sneaking in to bomb provisions and cause starvation is an honourable fight? keeping away the guards, leaving only one man there to make it fair although the other side did not ask for an honourable fight? (which is clearly insufficient btw, they bombed the place and Benawi was not that stupid in s1) Yes it is. Yamato is not going around massacring people like VURAI WOULD and WE HAVE SEEN IN THIS EPISODE that Benawi respects them and sees it as honorable. Again - Tuskuru have no doubts they won't lose. Kuon knows that too. And respecting soldiers following orders is somethong Benawi would do. If anything both Kurou and Benawi are IMPRESSED by this strategy since it reminds them of Hakuoro. |
TyrelFeb 22, 2016 5:17 PM
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Jacara said: AnimeAdamOP said: Y'all, Kuon hasn't gone full betrayal. Kurou stated this episode that Kuon could cause Tuskuru to lose almost singlehandedly, so she obviously doesn't want that. She just wants her friends and the people of Tuskuru to be safe. If Yamato doesn't make progress and win, they're gonna send Vurai and actually massacre all of Tuskuru. For reasons others have already pointed out, the reasoning used by the characters in this show is almost criminally stupid. I believe that the writers merely chose the most convenient option to advance the plot. Others have pointed out how Kuon chose to betray her home and family. Regardless of how 'naive' she might been (a seasoned traveller to a foreign country!) she is no doubt aware that travelling with an invading army into her homeland will result in her having to witness or even take part in the injury and death of her family and friends back home. Even worse; she directly took part in a raid on the grainstore- does she honestly believe no one will be hurt or killed in the raid? And does she honestly believe that forcing her country to submit to Yamato will keep the population safe, particularly since she has no knowledge of why the war started or what Yamato wants? And if she does know, why not take steps to address that directly by negotiation etc instead on embarking on this foolhardy war? Much of the same criticism of stupidity can be levelled at Haku. How exactly did he plan to escape from a guarded military encampment with his friends after firing the grain store? Is it not irresponsible and foolhardy to put the lives of his friends at risk? And the rest- if Benawi is aware that the grain store will be attacked, why post one guard only? And what happened to the rest of the guards; should they not come running when the fight began? The sheer stupidity of the script is appalling. I almost believe that this show worked better as a SOL. Edit: I just did some checking. There is no scriptwriter for the 2nd season. And the director is a different director from the 1st season which I quite enjoyed. Hmm. Kuon is very obviously conflicted, as she even states that to Kurou when she's fighting him. The people that were involved in the raid, are all Haku's friends and they aren't going to kill anyone because they know that would hurt Kuon. Munechika is a very honorable, noble general. She would not mindlessly slaughter all of Yamato like an incoming Vurai would. Imo, Kuon wants Yamato to lose, but to win quickly so Vurai is not sent to deal with Yamato. Vurai in his masked form will take down all of Tuskuru. If the people of the fortress surrender, no harm will come to them as Munechika would not allow it and that's what Kuon wants, her people to not be hurt. As for the escape, they showed that they knew who was producing the barrier and that there was even a thought to the sisters producing a way out. An explosion will obviously disrupt the guard's concentration and the barrier would fall, thus allowing the sisters to make a way out. @Fai, In this episode, they hinted that the mask isn't being used because the Onkamiyamukai had a way to stop the masks from being activated on the battlefield. At least that was the impression I got. |
Fai said: You seem to keep mixing intention and action as one, when they're really separate matters. Kuon intention is to keep her family and friends from both side safe, and she did not turn her back on her country. We all know that, her family and friends know that. But her actions, whether she's messing around or going full out, amounts to treason. It's like you killed someone [action] in order to save your family [intention], doesn't matter if you're later labelled as a hero for protecting your family, you'll still be a killer because you did killed someone.She DID NOT. BETRAY. THE COUNTRY. |
IMACOPFeb 22, 2016 9:37 AM
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AnimeAdamOP said: @Fai, In this episode, they hinted that the mask isn't being used because the Onkamiyamukai had a way to stop the masks from being activated on the battlefield. At least that was the impression I got. That is correct. Nothing stops Vurai from transforming at sea and just shooting beams at villages though. And even without masks, he would be all "murder anyone on sight" kind of general. |
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bionic_batman said: Also don't see any reason, why Kuon fighting against her own people and family. Because she loves her family in yamato too and does not want them hurt too? This war could be ended even sooner, if you add Karura and Touka to Benawi and Kurou, and just invade Yamato instead. That would go 100% against what Kuon wants. |
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| I hope we're not going to end up with an evil mastermind intent on evilling the world. A civil war or intrigues of some sort could be promising. |
| In the episode although there are a lot of action, it is not as addictive as you might believe, perhaps because it is one-way confrontation, although the dialogues they understand the purpose of such clashes and strategic moves fielded. I'm not disappointed in the narrative, in fact I am convinced that it is going beyond my wildest certainty. The designs are a bit down, but the rest is interessane, although I did not understand where we want to bring the plot. The enemy is very difficult, but now the important thing is to understand how the situation will evolve after the final twist. P.S. Wow, 5100 post ! |
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| Honestly, i appreciate the fact that the stupid episodes ended. But at the same time, i hated this comedy that they used during this war. I know this show was supposed to have comedy but i don't think that was the right moment to do it. The most annoying part was when they succeeded burning the supplies. It was 'too easy' considering who they were fighting. Where were the other soldiers of tusukuru? Why they didn't attacked Haku and his group? It was too obvious that the show will do sth to explain their success. |
Fai said: That would cause damage to Yamato(which she does not want) AND that would lead to Emperor sending in Vurai and allowing the mask thing to happen again. Which would result in civilian casualties. And deaths on both sides. Good. Let's have Vurai run though the old squad. Afterwards he'll slap Kuon around for being a traitor. Doujins will write themselves after that. |
bionic_batman said: So she is acting like some of the worst examples of thundere. "I love you - that's why I must beat you." Why not to change sides? It's a fiction world, but even in fiction worlds common logic must be present. What will be with Tuskuru, when Yamato wins. Kuon is definitely not like his father. The reason, why Hakuoro started a war and made a country, was that fact, that he wanted to help people, that were kind to him, not to kill them before enemy will come (actually this is Benawi way of thinking) I think this would be explained properly when the show revealing the true identity of Haku. |
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Fai said: Jacara said: For reasons others have already pointed out, the reasoning used by the characters in this show is almost criminally stupid. I believe that the writers merely chose the most convenient option to advance the plot. Others have pointed out how Kuon chose to betray her home and family. Regardless of how 'naive' she might been (a seasoned traveller to a foreign country!) she is no doubt aware that travelling with an invading army into her homeland will result in her having to witness or even take part in the injury and death of her family and friends back home. Even worse; she directly took part in a raid on the grainstore- does she honestly believe no one will be hurt or killed in the raid? And does she honestly believe that forcing her country to submit to Yamato will keep the population safe, particularly since she has no knowledge of why the war started or what Yamato wants? And if she does know, why not take steps to address that directly by negotiation etc instead on embarking on this foolhardy war? She DID NOT. BETRAY. THE COUNTRY. She is invested in ending the war as far as it can happen before Vurai genocides the hell out of Tuskuru's civillians. She is not interested in either side losing or getting defeated - the very fact that the masks are not being used and Vurai is not there already shows that Emperor has on interest in actually conquering the country. All that she has to do is to figure out HOW to use her social standing in Tuskuru to end the war. TILL she can do that, the only thing she can do is to help minimize casualties. In this case if Munechika lost, Emperor WOULD have sent in Vurai. And then everyone would die. So the only short term solution possible is to prevent that in having Munechika succeed. However, you guys got to remember Tsukuru is highly trained on the information of the masks since their founder/god hakuoro has the ORIGINAL mask. That is why Munechika couldn't use her Mask powers because the Tsukuru army limited that ability. |
| I was surprised to see how dominant both Kurou and Benawi were holy shit O_O |
| Nice showdown this episode. Things have gotten a little too complicated. |
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| So the Emperor's dead, like I buy that XD Haku turned out to be a badass again. 4/5 |
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| Finally the action.....great action as usual :D why he didn't throw that "grenade" in the beginning tho..... Kuon is still something else....i'm getting more curious about her....or is it explained in the other series ? or was that the first season and this is the second season ? |
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| Could this be any more stupid? I just can't... They were in middle of their camp full of soldiers yet none of them shoot them? They would all be dead as of now. Or at least pacified and taken prisoner. Was this really that clever-ass army emperor's forces have so many problems to deal with? And here I thought they would be at least a bit serious finally.. *sigh* Stupid comedy... o_O Also, I really don't like the position they are putting Kuon to, it's just pure nonesense. There is just simply no way Kuon would go against her own country in such a way. No after what we were shown in episode 6. All all those Haku's stupid reactions... *facepalm* If he is as clever as they try to hint he should immediately realize what danger he is in and cut his stupid lazy attitude already. This is and example of such lazy and bad writing it's breaking what's left of this series to pieces. |
Mich666 said: Could this be any more stupid? I just can't... They were in middle of their camp full of soldiers yet none of them shoot them? They would all be dead as of now. Or at least pacified and taken prisoner. The soldiers were ordered to leave. Both because ofKuon being hostage and because causing harm to Kuon would result in bad things. And Kurou could take all of them on at once. And here I thought they would be at least a bit serious finally.. *sigh* Stupid comedy... o_O How else would you expect Kuon meeting one of her teachers to go? Also, I really don't like the position they are putting Kuon to, it's just pure nonesense. There is just simply no way Kuon would go against her own country in such a way. No after what we were shown in episode 6. She is not. The thing is she does not think ofYamato as an eenemy - the first half of the show built up Yamato cast as her new family. Even Karura and Touka recognized that. Kuon wants BOTH of her families to be alright and that involves in figuring out the way to end the war in such a fashion where NEITHER Of the sides lose. It was literally stated by her last episode. In this case if Yamato does not get the fortress to surrender(which would stills have lives since MUnechika would not hurt surrendered soldiers), Vurai would come and then AWHOLELOT MORE people would die. In short-term this was the only way to post pone that possibility. Again we literally had a scene in this episode where Munechika talks about how she would not want Vurai to come and massacre tuskuru. All all those Haku's stupid reactions... *facepalm* If he is as clever as they try to hint he should immediately realize what danger he is in and cut his stupid lazy attitude already. Except that he has not been stupid/lazy for good few episodes already. He IS goofy but that's how he is as a person. He is not some genius. He is just an everyday person with tactical mind thrown into middle of the war. This is and example of such lazy and bad writing it's breaking what's left of this series to pieces. This post of yours is an example of such impossibility to comprehend even basic narrative and rose-tinted nostalgia bias breaking any sort of logic you had to pieces. |
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Fai said: This post of yours is an example of such impossibility to comprehend even basic narrative and rose-tinted nostalgia bias breaking any sort of logic you had to pieces. But why should I? This thing is named Utawarerumono so comparison to the first one is in order and therefore it's logical you would go watching this series with some expectations. Yet when comparing both shows, Itsuwari no Kamen is more like watching Robotic;Notes after Steins;Gate. They traded clever hero that is able to sacrifice himself for others for one that doesn't really care (and I have yet to see this 'clever tactical mind' you are talking about), they forgo meaningful character developement in favour of SoL comedy, inventive battle strategies simply aren't there either and most main characters are eager to go into fights almost as they don't realize that 'People die when they are killed.' Not to mention there were some blatantant cases of obvious plot armor in this episode. Again, I don't really have to care about the actual game here, it's not like I should need it understand things while watching different medium. And I doubt all those mentioned things are all that different there. The thing is that at this point, some 20 episodes in, I don't really care much about Yamato and I would favour Tuskuru's winning and old cast anytime. That only to show that they did pretty bad job to make me care about new characters. This show is just bad, face it and don't try to advocate its half-hearted writing. In fact, those SoL scenes are the only redeeming quality of this show. Whole series just doesn't know if it wants to be a comedy or serious thing and the way they stretched whole story into two parts doesn't help either. Also, I wholly agree with what IMACOP wrote in spoiler here: IMACOP said: Fai said: There's absolutely nothing traitorous in that and even Kurou recognizes that. If Kuon truly wanted to betray them, Tuskuru would not be doing as good. Kuon did not really betray Tuskuru, yes. Everyone close to her knows that. Her family and friends knows she isn't the sort. But regardless of her actual intentions, or the people who understands her, the fact is Kuon betrayed her country by siding with the enemy. For more, read some reactions and comments at Random Curiosity for example, it pretty much sums my other thoughts about this series: http://randomc.net/2016/02/13/utawarerumono-itsuwari-no-kamen-19/ http://randomc.net/2016/02/20/utawarerumono-itsuwari-no-kamen-20/ |
Mich666Mar 18, 2016 7:02 AM
LeanMeanMachine said: I sort of understand Fai, as myself I REALLY, REALLY wanted this to be good. But wishing for it doesn't change reality, man. The anime adaptation team butchered this. I even read that one of the people directing this hasn't even played the game, for Heaven's sake! ITs an adaptation not a copypasta, why should the director HAVE to have played the game? Its a competent retelling of UTWR2 story taking a different path to the same outcomes. Its a good adaptation, even if it does not recreate game events 1:1. You can copypaste almost identical basic storyline of events from the VN and still get awfully butchered adaptation as Ufotable's UBW proves. |
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LeanMeanMachine said: Fai said: ITs an adaptation not a copypasta, why should the director HAVE to have played the game? Its a competent retelling of UTWR2 story taking a different path to the same outcomes. Its a good adaptation, even if it does not recreate game events 1:1. You can copypaste almost identical basic storyline of events from the VN and still get awfully butchered adaptation as Ufotable's UBW proves. Never said it HAD to be a copy paste of the VN contents. I only said that, form where I stand, most of what's good in the anime IS contents that's taken from the game, and what's bad is normally anime studio original. Like most of the ending arc, which, if it follow the same general idea, is cringeworthy in it's execution. They got two episode to show me the changes will still leadto something decent. I wish them all the luck. And we'll have to agree to disagree on the "playing the game" part. I think it's mandatory if you're part of directing a project that is based on an existing work. Last two episodes or so are almost completely anime original. And they are the best in the whole show so far. The adaptation does have problems, but they are limited to the problems in the first half. |
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| Even the weakest general of Tsukuru is apparantly stronger than anything Yamato can throw at them - except for the mask - and they can easily stop them, as proven by Munechika being unable to use hers. And that was one caster, who also had to look out for his personal safety, being situated in the middle of a battlefield. And unless Vurai uses his mask to walk from Yamato to Tsukuru, they can easily sink his ship. Unless there is something special about Vurais mask, or if they can not deactive a constant form like his monster form, there is nothing to worry about. Furthermore, the twins showed they can stop a full blast from Vurai, easily. Given that they in turn where stopped by a sole caster in the tower (heck, make it four, one in each corner, but we only saw one), there apparently is nothing special about Vurai besides his sheer power. So yeah. Never allow him to arrive, block his powers, kill him before he even knows he's gonna need it, whatever. Heck, the twin can probably drop him off in the middle of nowhere, in a desert, over a volcano, in the ocean, 500 meters in the air.. No reason not to simply defeat the Yamato invasion force (defeating the two generals should be enough and is easily done) and be done with it. Instead, Kuon lengthens the war by helping Yamato, probably even distracting Tsukuru long enough in a crucial moment so that they miss their chance to stop Vurai. |
NwAurion said: Even the weakest general of Tsukuru is apparantly stronger than anything Yamato can throw at them - except for the mask - and they can easily stop them, as proven by Munechika being unable to use hers. Errr... Benawi and Kurou are kind of the top tier? Benawi's a tactical genius and one of the most skilled characters on Tuskuru's side. Kurou, while nowhere near Karura, is also still one of the physically strongest characters on tuskuru's side. Neither side is throwing everything at this war. Most of Tuskuru's strongest characters are chilling as to not escalate situation and Yamato has thrown less than half of its army at it and is not exactly trying to conquer Tuskuru - just take over the territory where the ruins are. Unless there is something special about Vurais mask, or if they can not deactive a constant form like his monster form, there is nothing to worry about. Vurai's methods are far more ruthless and aggressive. Also as I said, nothing is stopping him from throwing literal mini suns at tuskuru from a ship. Even if we do not count the masks, he would go for a massacre and all out. Which is the part they want to avoid. A man who would massacre cities. Furthermore, the twins showed they can stop a full blast from Vurai, easily. Given that they in turn where stopped by a sole caster in the tower (heck, make it four, one in each corner, but we only saw one), there apparently is nothing special about Vurai besides his sheer power. Err. Twins stopping Vurai have nothing to do with power levels. So yeah. Never allow him to arrive, block his powers, kill him before he even knows he's gonna need it, whatever. Tuskuru is not omnipotent. And that would still leave soldiers and far more aggressive tactics. The likes of Munechika fight according to sense of chivalry and righteousness - they engage the soldiers. The likes of Vurai would most likely burn everything in their path, be it civilians or landscape. Heck, the twin can probably drop him off in the middle of nowhere, in a desert, over a volcano, in the ocean, 500 meters in the air.. Not really. Teleportation has its limits. No reason not to simply defeat the Yamato invasion force (defeating the two generals should be enough and is easily done) and be done with it. Dealing with one general is tricky. There's no reason to believe they could take on two let alone all four. Or all eight including the types like Raikou who has his own shady magical stuff. And that would still lead to even more forces being thrown into a fray and even more bloodshed. Instead, Kuon lengthens the war by helping Yamato, probably even distracting Tsukuru long enough in a crucial moment so that they miss their chance to stop Vurai. Again,what I said above. You are REALLY underestimating Yamato. While Tuskuru has superior tactics and knowledge, Yamato in sheer scope is 10x+ times bigger than Tuskuru. And while they might not lose, escalating the war would leave thousands upon thousands of casualties. |
AhenshihaelMar 20, 2016 3:38 PM
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| how the hell did he survive an explosion in his face ? |
| LoL No matter how you look at it, that Kuon was a............... |
Vi-Sep 6, 2016 10:23 PM
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| I was actually rooting for Kurou and Benawi. |
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