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Feb 17, 2008 4:56 PM
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Very great episode, a lot of things happened.

The scene when Ayumi's former master rejected Hani-meijin in the flashback encouraged my theory of him being the murderer again. But he must've forgotten about it, why else would he let Hani-meijin take over Ayumi now? Maybe Ayumi will be the one to discover the truth for Shion? I can't stand these two brothers, looking forward to more.

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Feb 17, 2008 5:35 PM
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wow, this episode blew me away, I seriously did not expect any of this. Awesome stuff.
Feb 17, 2008 7:22 PM
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The beginning left me confused. I don't recall 15 hinting at that. Am I wrong?

Also, the animation seems a bit off. And not just in this episode.

And Ayumi-kun's hair! What a shame. </3
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Feb 17, 2008 10:14 PM
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I thought this episode was amazing. Ill miss crossdressing ayumi but I think this is what needed to happen to move his story along. All I can say now is I 'need' the next episode.
Feb 18, 2008 5:36 AM
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I heard that this was the episode that turned so many tables around. And just as I expected, that was the best episode of Shion no Ou yet, making me change the score from 9 to 10 (4th TV series anime to be a 10 now). Because even I cried a bit when Shion found out about the death of Ayumi's mother. Is is that hard for me to shed tears?

Other than the animation, the development with Hani-Meijin, Satoru, Ayumi, Kamizono-Sensei was amazing.

Ok...so now I'm down to 3 suspects: Saori, Yasouka and Kamizono-sensei. I just keep getting worked up with Saori's role in this anime.



Just my ranting thoughts on Saori. You don't have to read it if you want to.
Feb 18, 2008 5:48 AM
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I got teary eyes at that scene, too.

Very interesting theory you have there, I can't wait to see how it plays out.

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Feb 18, 2008 8:32 AM
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This episode covered a lot. Satoru hates Shion for a reason that looks more like jealousy than anything else. I'm starting to count him out as a suspect. He's only 50% suspicious to me now. The Meijin is still a suspect though. It's just the way he is from all the episodes so far. I can't believe Ayumi has gone through such a drastic change by the end of the episode. Wow. And, I really liked the female version of him too. I also liked the flashback that showed Meijin and Kamizono sensei. It would've been awesome if Kamizono sensei and Meijin fought each other. It'd be such an intense match.

Yasuoka sensei is still at the top of my list next to the Meijin as prime suspect. I think I kind of disclosed my reasons in the episode 15 thread.
Feb 18, 2008 8:38 AM
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Ayumi with short hair = fail. I liked his long hair better, female or not female =(

And as for suspects, I'm suspecting more Meijin than Yasuoka but we'll see how it all goes. Six episodes left!
Feb 18, 2008 9:20 AM
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Whoa, what a wonderful episode, after episodes of very little information and plot movement, this episode was a nice change of pace with loads of information and a nice progression of the story.

The death of Saitou's mother came from left field – I didn't see that coming! Then again, the previous episodes didn't give any hint that that would happen; in fact there wasn't any cliff-hanger at all! It is a little sad that he lost to Satoru, but expected, I would really like to see him play against his brother – the Meijin.

Although, I would miss the cross-dressing Saitou, I am glad that he finally decided to play as himself – I wonder what the shogi institute would say about this – I expect some repercussions, but I wonder how much, especially with the Meijin supporting him. In any case, I look forward to see their reactions in the next episode.

By the way, is it me or is there something... off about the animation of this episode? I don't know, it looks like they were getting a tad careless or something.
Feb 19, 2008 5:07 AM

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The end of the reverse trap :S

Saitou's short hair = sucks...

Great episode in overall.
Feb 19, 2008 8:12 AM

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Decent episode. It had a lot going on, but no really good mind games. It was good character development for Saito but I'm not digging the new hair.
Feb 22, 2008 11:08 PM

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Iriya said:
Ayumi with short hair = fail. I liked his long hair better, female or not female =(

I agree, it wouldv'e been fine if he had cut it a bit longer, but the short hair really makes him look weird.
Feb 23, 2008 3:01 AM

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i agree with everyone else long hair was better :3

aww i nearly cried where ayumi's mum die ;_; and shion face...

anyway it was a really good episode enjoy it very much!
Feb 23, 2008 11:58 AM

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nooooo!!! the haaaaaaaaaaair! *dies*
damnit now he isent hot anymore!!!


Feb 24, 2008 10:10 AM

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agree too.. Long hair on ayumi was better and now he looks weird >_<"
the begin confused me too~ that his mother died...<-< didnt see that come lol


Jul 24, 2008 4:24 PM

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This pretty much sums up the seriousness of Shion no Ou:



Laughed quite heartily when i read that
...I guess i cant be a true kishi :(

On a side note... i never knew that Shion moving a shogi piece would look so sexy
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Sep 15, 2008 5:19 PM

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Saitou looked sharp in the suit with his long hair. Too bad he had to cut it short like that.

The more I see, the more I suspect everyone. Everytime I think I know who the killer may be one or two scenes will happen that makes me rethink everything. I think I'm just going to watch the rest of the show and let it just surprise me.

...even a saint needs a soldier to do the dirty work.
Dec 30, 2008 6:11 PM
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I'm betting Hani-meijin is the murderer. It just has to be him. If it turns out to not be, I'll be shocked. I have a slight idea of his reason, most probably to push Shion to the top of the shougi world and prove that female kishi are strong too, but that's kinda meh, lol.

Yasuoka sensei was a primary suspect but I like him so no and Satoru is a jerk but I pity him so no. 6 episodes left to go, 3 hours ...
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i finally starting to think the meijin commited the murders he seemd nice in the begining now he just seems evil

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Mar 10, 2011 6:12 AM

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The art it gettin crappy :/ Good for Ayumi, because I really dislike crossdressing :P And finally it was a trully bad move to cut his hair, he doesn't look good now :/
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The art it gettin crappy :/ Good for Ayumi, because I really dislike crossdressing :P And finally it was a trully bad move to cut his hair, he doesn't look good now :/

this.
Feb 5, 2014 8:16 AM

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Yep I think the meijin's the killer. He's connected to Shion via his friend (forgot his name..Kyoutaro?) who wanted to teach Shion shougi. It's a minor connection but still it's there. In episode 14, Shion also said Satoru resembled someone from her past. He's also connected to Kazumi via his brother.

I just hope the reason isn't shallow though. Would totally ruin this show.
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So Ayumi's mom died, sad. Ayumi looks so different with short hair, I liked him with longer hair better.
Apr 25, 2021 11:12 AM
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That's some really great development for Saito even though it's really sad, his mother is dead, he lost the match against Satoru and he also lost his master, even though now he's switching to be Hani's pupil and he cut his hair... that's a lot in one episode.
Mar 26, 2022 1:31 PM

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Is it just me or the hair cutting scene was fujo fanservicey? Not that I mind, so far this story's been absolutely awesome, not a single boring or stale episode which is rare as rare getd. The animation style definitely changed, looks less polished now. Not sure I like it but I can live with it I guess.
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May 17, 2022 1:05 AM
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Man, there was such a huge jump in events that I feel like I've missed a few episodes. Seriously, this episode seems really out of place as there wasn't any connection or reference to anything that happened before this.

Looks like Satoru is officially not the killer, and he might even be looking into who it is himself. We're getting closer and closer to the end, so I'm concerned they either aren't going to resolve it, or it's just going to be some random dude who hasn't had any role up until this point.

And, as I expected, Ayumi is going to get protected by Makoto. I mostly just wish his hair wasn't so short now. Makoto should've left something for Ayumi to work with.
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Feb 18, 2023 5:24 PM

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Ayumi looks like a totally different character with short hair.
Like, right now he defo wouldn't be able to pass as a girl.
Nov 16, 2023 3:04 PM

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Ayumi looks a lot different now. The haircut of character development strikes again.



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