| Just wondering how people feel about this. I see it, but maybe it is just me. |
| The question to ask, then, is how many of the animation staff for this show have done work for Shaft in the past? The director, Kanta Kamei, has not - most of his work has been for Production IG or A-1. I looked up the show's chief animation director (Tomoaki Takase), but he's been kind of all over the place. He did do key animation work for one episode of Bakemonogatari, but that's his only Shaft credit. Some of the animation directors for the individual episodes have worked on 2 or 3 Shaft shows in the past, but they've also worked for plenty of other studios too. Actually, though, if you want to look at a stylistic similarity for this show, it really reminds me most of Oreshura. Which isn't really surprising, since it's the same director for both series and I'm also noticing a lot of the same animation staff in the credits of both, too. |
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WingKing said: The question to ask, then, is how many of the animation staff for this show have done work for Shaft in the past? The director, Kanta Kamei, has not - most of his work has been for Production IG or A-1. I looked up the show's chief animation director (Tomoaki Takase), but he's been kind of all over the place. He did do key animation work for one episode of Bakemonogatari, but that's his only Shaft credit. Some of the animation directors for the individual episodes have worked on 2 or 3 Shaft shows in the past, but they've also worked for plenty of other studios too. Actually, though, if you want to look at a stylistic similarity for this show, it really reminds me most of Oreshura. Which isn't really surprising, since it's the same director for both series and I'm also noticing a lot of the same animation staff in the credits of both, too. it uses all the strange camera angles and slow motion stuff shaft uses, plus the weird color excerpts and such. I like to call this Haremonogatari. Or Nisekoi Boring Version. |
| I thought it was shaft. |
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| It's same director who did Oreshura which was also overfiltered |
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| I thought it was shaft but with no head tilts |
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| Were varied camera angles and slow motion invented or largely innovated by Shaft? I'm a tad bit skeptical here. |
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| I wouldn't say this show copied shaft. While watching this, I didn't sense any shaft "feel" in the work. They didn't use weird camera angle as much as shaft does, but its true that the animation doesn't feel like A-1 Picture's. |
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trabeus1 said: I wouldn't say this show copied shaft. While watching this, I didn't sense any shaft "feel" in the work. They didn't use weird camera angle as much as shaft does, but its true that the animation doesn't feel like A-1 Picture's. Thats because it isn't shaft. It is a mediocre ripoff of shaft. |
ChairForceOne said: trabeus1 said: I wouldn't say this show copied shaft. While watching this, I didn't sense any shaft "feel" in the work. They didn't use weird camera angle as much as shaft does, but its true that the animation doesn't feel like A-1 Picture's. Thats because it isn't shaft. It is a mediocre ripoff of shaft. Nah, I still wouldn't say its a ripoff of shaft... |
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| why copying SHAFT is a bad thing?We should encourage them more ...I wouldnt mind having 2 or 3 times more SHAFT anime... |
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loneywizard said: why copying SHAFT is a bad thing?We should encourage them more ...I wouldnt mind having 2 or 3 times more SHAFT anime... Because behind the shaft ripoff direction is a generic boring A-1 pictures harem anime. |
| It's not similar at all. Like a poster above said, it's the same style of OreShura. |
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tsudecimo said: It's not similar at all. Like a poster above said, it's the same style of OreShura. The colors are like oreshura. Oresura didnt have slowmo pans, odd camera angles, close ups of faces and feet and all the other Shinbou nonsense. The only part of it that isnt like shaft is that it is completely uninspired and doesnt have giant cgi buildings. |
tsudecimo said: There are some close up cuts that seem very reminiscent of Shinbou and Tatsuwa, especially from Nisekoi, I'll see if I can find gifs to compare.It's not similar at all. Like a poster above said, it's the same style of OreShura. |
Feaor said: tsudecimo said: There are some close up cuts that seem very reminiscent of Shinbou and Tatsuwa, especially from Nisekoi, I'll see if I can find gifs to compare.It's not similar at all. Like a poster above said, it's the same style of OreShura. Guys, I'm not saying this is monogatari straight up. I'm saying its pretty heavily designed to imitate shinbou. Its not like A-1 hasnt been doing this lately. Shigatsu no Uso is basically every PA Works original anime, and Aldnoah.Zero is Code Geass written by monkeys. |
ChairForceOne said: If anything I think its closer to Nisekoi in terms of style but I don't think its a wholesale ripoff of Shinbou and Tatsuwa's style, they're just using some of the techniques that Shinbou is notorious for.Guys, I'm not saying this is monogatari straight up. I'm saying its pretty heavily designed to imitate shinbou. |
Feaor said: ChairForceOne said: If anything I think its closer to Nisekoi in terms of style but I don't think its a wholesale ripoff of Shinbou and Tatsuwa's style, they're just using some of the techniques that Shinbou is notorious for.Guys, I'm not saying this is monogatari straight up. I'm saying its pretty heavily designed to imitate shinbou. That was the point of the thread. I dont think it is like Nisekoi at all. Other than having a blonde girl in it. |
| Colorful=Shaft? Is this what you mean? |
TheGaaks said: Colorful=Shaft? Is this what you mean? Did you even read the thread at all? |
ChairForceOne said: TheGaaks said: Colorful=Shaft? Is this what you mean? Did you even read the thread at all? Yes, and the only thing I can relate from this show to shaft shows is that shaft shows are usually very colorful and use color really well. No camera angles or stuff like that from what I remeber, but I'm going to watch an episode again to see if I just wasn't paying attention. |
| I can't find a good GIF of it but around 4:20 of episode 1 there is certainly a slow motion cut that is reminiscent of Shinbou and Tatsuwa's cuts in both Monogatari and Nisekoi. |
Feaor said: I can't find a good GIF of it but around 4:20 of episode 1 there is certainly a slow motion cut that is reminiscent of Shinbou and Tatsuwa's cuts in both Monogatari and Nisekoi. I thought the OVA episode was made by shaft. |
trabeus1 said: I wouldn't say this show copied shaft. While watching this, I didn't sense any shaft "feel" in the work. They didn't use weird camera angle as much as shaft does, but its true that the animation doesn't feel like A-1 Picture's. I've never honestly thought A-1 even HAS any specific feel. They're one of the most prolific anime studios and they've employed a ton of different directors because they always seem to have 5 or 6 projects in the pipeline. It's much easier for a studio to develop its own style when they have the vision of one director or the same small group of 2 or 3 directors guiding most of their shows, like Ghibli (2 main directors) or KyoAni (3 main directors) or Silver Link (one main director: Shin Oonuma, another Shinbo apprentice - I could see the influence all over Baka & Test when I watched that series not too long ago). A-1 just goes out and hires whoever they can get - Tatsuyuki Nagai to direct AnoHana, Seiji Kishi to direct Persona 4, Mamoru Kanbe to direct So Ra No Wo To, etc. All directors with accomplished resumes, but not much in common stylistically. |
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| No it doesn't. Shaft copied others before they was doing it. Besides, I was surprised to even see such a topic as watching Saekano did not remind me of Shaft whatsoever. Like say Koufuku Graffiti compared to Saekano I just do not even see such a comparison as the styles aren't even close. |
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| I actually thought it was Silverlink doing it at first. Didn't have enough Shafty-ness to remind me of Shaft. |
Jonesy974 said: I actually thought it was Silverlink doing it at first. Didn't have enough Shafty-ness to remind me of Shaft. Considering Silver Link is OG shaft ripoff squad this actually supports my point. |
| Lol, just another Shaft fanboy thread. |
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kaimax said: Lol, just another Shaft fanboy thread. |
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kaimax said: Lol, just another Shaft fanboy thread. You are so different and cool for not liking popular things. |
WingKing said: trabeus1 said: I wouldn't say this show copied shaft. While watching this, I didn't sense any shaft "feel" in the work. They didn't use weird camera angle as much as shaft does, but its true that the animation doesn't feel like A-1 Picture's. I've never honestly thought A-1 even HAS any specific feel. They're one of the most prolific anime studios and they've employed a ton of different directors because they always seem to have 5 or 6 projects in the pipeline. It's much easier for a studio to develop its own style when they have the vision of one director or the same small group of 2 or 3 directors guiding most of their shows, like Ghibli (2 main directors) or KyoAni (3 main directors) or Silver Link (one main director: Shin Oonuma, another Shinbo apprentice - I could see the influence all over Baka & Test when I watched that series not too long ago). A-1 just goes out and hires whoever they can get - Tatsuyuki Nagai to direct AnoHana, Seiji Kishi to direct Persona 4, Mamoru Kanbe to direct So Ra No Wo To, etc. All directors with accomplished resumes, but not much in common stylistically. I'm with you 100%. Since A-1 Pictures is owned by Sony, they are just business type studio where they choose quantity over quality to make money. Its so obvious that they would hire many directors, which each of them have different (style) making A-1 picture to not have their own feel or type. |
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trabeus1 said: WingKing said: I've never honestly thought A-1 even HAS any specific feel. They're one of the most prolific anime studios and they've employed a ton of different directors because they always seem to have 5 or 6 projects in the pipeline. It's much easier for a studio to develop its own style when they have the vision of one director or the same small group of 2 or 3 directors guiding most of their shows, like Ghibli (2 main directors) or KyoAni (3 main directors) or Silver Link (one main director: Shin Oonuma, another Shinbo apprentice - I could see the influence all over Baka & Test when I watched that series not too long ago). A-1 just goes out and hires whoever they can get - Tatsuyuki Nagai to direct AnoHana, Seiji Kishi to direct Persona 4, Mamoru Kanbe to direct So Ra No Wo To, etc. All directors with accomplished resumes, but not much in common stylistically. I'm with you 100%. Since A-1 Pictures is owned by Sony, they are just business type studio where they choose quantity over quality to make money. Its so obvious that they would hire many directors, which each of them have different (style) making A-1 picture to not have their own feel or type. Animation studios =/= Directors. |
| Most anime is a rip-off. So what? |
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I would not say copies but I noticed enough similarities to check if it was just me. The cinematography character design and use of contrast all felt very familiar. The director seems to have at least been influenced by Shaft, nothing wrong with that. It holds enough of A1s style that I did in fact figure out it was them before checking. A1 has super clean high production value that can at times make a show feel overproduced, not to mention that the cousin is without a doubt Kirito.   |
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| You notice right away when it's a shaft animation. This does not happen in this one. I did not even think of this idea. |
| It seems like people dont understand what A1 Pictures is. A1 Picture's is Aniplex's animation studio. And Aniplex funds/are the producers of the majority SHAFT series. A lot of A1 Pictures staff have ties with Shinbo considered they have worked with Shinbo as either his key animator or other various staff roles under him in the past. If you look at Kamei Kanta's work here (https://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=2886) you can see that he worked under Shinbo series. Mamono Hunter Youko, Sore Yuke! Uchuu Senkan Yamamoto Youk, Shin Hurricane Polymer,Ginga Ojou-sama Densetsu Yuna: Shin`en no Fairy,Tenamon`ya Voyagers. The ties go deep because these are series where Shinbo played a big role as a director. It's more Shinbo style that he is inspired by rather than SHAFT as a whole. Is it a cheap rip off? No. But it is a clear inspiration. So anyone who is saying NO NO NO ITS NOT SHAFT. Please do some research before you go crying about shit. Shinbo has influenced more people than you guys give credit for. He is a veteran director and has impacted many anime studios and directors in the industry. So stop spouting your nonsense becuase you might not like SHAFT. Respect Shinbo. |
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