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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Cheers~ That party scene made me face palm hard. Tokimume is reminded more of the memories of his sister. Well yeah, he shouldn't give up fighting for what he believes in. The rage from him is understandable though since the Captain kinda resulted in her death. I also found the episode kinda amusing since I think there was a talk about a sub-coordinate hitting his superior. Lol, and look what happened this episode. |
Stark700Sep 11, 2014 9:04 AM
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| This gets way better compared to the beginning of the series. |
| Well that was stupid move from Captain. I bet that revelation gonna do wonders to Tokimune's fighting spirit:D And im sincerely suprised ,that there were any consequences assaulting the Captain. Considering all those times Tokimune ignored orders and started playing hero and how he got little slap onto wrists those times. |
OnbuuSep 11, 2014 10:36 AM
| I do think it was somewhat stupid on the Captain's part. I think some of it is because the Captain blames himself, especially based on that photo that they had an intimate relationship and worked together. He wanted to tell the Private the truth but I got the feeling from the dialogue that he was somewhat generally summarizing and twisting it a bit so that it'd make him feel more responsible for it. He knew, I'm sure, that the Private would probably punch him for admitting that he could've stopped it but let his sister die anyways. And like you said, does little for Private Susumu's morale as well. Seeing him tear up and then jump and wail on him- seemed pretty human to me. He's not going to get any sort of punishment. Both the Captain and XO know it was the Captain's fault and that most likely anyone would try to attack the bearer of bad news. I also thought they got it right, the Captain trying to play it off, the XO trying to calm down the senior enlisted from giving the Private a world of hurt for striking a superior officer, and the XO going to explain things because the Captain worded it in such a way that it would be grossly generalized and make him the seat of anger for Susumu's sister's death. Which makes me think the enjoyable part of this series is the human element they try to bring into it. They try to contrast the war and the human element of the soldiers but with a large female to male ratio in to it. Which makes it a bit more relaxed and cheerful than the reality of the situation. Seeing Jaime and Susumu go at it was pretty cute. x3 And "Drunk girls are sexy-" so funny. =P Can't wait to see where they take this. |
| So we learned a bit more about Tokimune's sister but we still don't know what happened to her in full extent, we know that the captain was involved somehow. However something tells my he meant it figuratively when he said he could stop her, not as someone in commend but as someone close to her. Judging from the end of this episode the executive officer was going to tell was happened, and judging from the preview things will be explained next episode. The captain knew what would happen by telling Tokimune what happened to his sister the way he did. So i think he did it on purpose this way, like he was feeling some guilt and wanted to be punished in some kind of way. It looked like he wanted to be hit. |
Aversa said: The captain knew what would happen by telling Tokimune what happened to his sister the way he did. So i think he did it on purpose this way, like he was feeling some guilt and wanted to be punished in some kind of way. It looked like he wanted to be hit. Didn't that dude at the beggining told the captain something about hitting a superior? The captain did it on purpose but I think he was following an order. |
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| I'm pretty sure her death will have something to with the development of the Argevollen. Maybe we'll get to see some kind of Evangelion like inspiration soon. I think the Captain walking straight up to Tokimune and telling him about his sister, is very much in keeping with his straight talking ways. It's much more interesting that he comes out with it instead of keeping it to himself. The conversation between the Captain and the General was very uncomfortable. It'll be interesting to see what kind of weird agenda that guy has. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| This episode was called Rage which is really deceptive as i thought there was going to be some bigass battle or something but instead made me rage because the only instance of actual rage was during the final 4 minutes of this episode. With that said however, although 90% of this ep was typical bs where Unit 8 is fckin around out of uniform, i was just happy to see some sort of plot development with the main characters. This better not turn into some evangelion rip off where Tokimune's sister was somehow used in the creation argevollen. I doubt they'll take that route but I wouldn't be totally surprised if they did. |
The best anime is the Road to El Dorado |
| General Cowen is an easygoing, chance-take guy. I like how casually he asked Samonji if he slept with Suzushiro. XD Of course, Samonji wouldn't go with his flow. Those aptitude test questions made no sense, even though they can somehow be used to analyze Tokimune's mental state. Silfy stopping Lorenzo from saying which body part he washes first was hilarious! She already knows without him saying. :p Party for Okui's leadership was fun. Lol'd at how he was interrupted before he finished his speech. XD Tokimune's actions are understandable to an extent, but when Samoni said he killed his sister, he should've known it wasn't all like that. Damn, I though Suzushiro was going to beat up Tokimune pretty good at the end. That fierce look though! :O Average episode. Tokimune now has a good chance to develop his character as a MC, that is, if he drops the revenge motive and goes solely after the Ingelmians. |
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| damn that guy is such an asshole |
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| Finally it was revealed the link between sister of Tokimune and the captain, it was good to see Tokimune punching one captain (do not like this character), I think next episode will be shown more details I missed of the combat in this episode, after all like how this anime portrays the war .. |
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| Well, kinda saw that coming... |
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| Really good episode this week. One of the best yet. |
| Well, let's start saying that Reika's death is not obviously Samonji's fault but he still feels responsable for her death though. Why did he openly provoked Tokimune? I mean, he obviously wanted to let him know about his sister's death but that's not the only reason I think, he was too provocative as he seemed he wanted to be beaten up. Anyway FINALLY, things are starting up, it was about time. |
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| Remember how Samonji acted when Tokimune said Argevollen is his "destiny"? Well, if his sister was involved in something related to Argevollen, then that destiny part isn't so far-fetched, which would account for Samonji's look of sudden realization at the moment. |
| The episode did a really good job of building up to the "Rage" by subtly getting us into Samonji's head before revealing his truest feelings on the subject of Nanjou's death, which was obviously going to spur Tokimune's rage. The conversation with Cowen gave a glimpse of Samonji's rage and inner demons(with some damn uneasy music), and resurfaced every bit of guilt he holds. The mention of hitting a superior officer was to add to that characterization, as well as to put the bug in Samonji's head that a private, when provoked enough, will be reckless enough to punch a superior officer. The exchange between the two served as parallel to the exchange between Samonji and Tokimune, showing Samonji's development in that he was once on the "aggravated" side, and now he can both stay calm when aggravated and utilize the skill of the "aggravater". The obvious reason is to show the parallel between Samonji and Tokimune, and get the ball really rolling on what Tokimune needs to change about himself in order to achieve his goal. The scene where he heard Tokimune say what Argevollen is to him probably completed the connection in his mind between the desire to be punished for his lack of action, and the convenience of having someone connected that has every right to do the punishing. Tokimune's words likely made Samonji realize that his sister is his every motivation, which confirmed the severity of the connection. That's when he knew he had to let Tokimune take it out on him. The bar scene made it clear Samonji was provoking him, and probably less so because he felt Tokimune deserved it, but because he strongly desired to be punished by someone with a connection. This showed the weakness in his character, since he did this for neither Tokimune's sake or his own. He won't feel any better about it, and Tokimune certainly isn't feeling better about it at the moment. The buildup to that clash of emotions was great. The portrayal of human emotions continues to be a strongsuit of the show. |
AlexTheRiotSep 11, 2014 7:24 PM
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| Some nice subtleties there when the Captain insults the General by refusing to drink with him. Even though I think they are both involved with some type of a plot to change the leadership of the war, I don't think the Captain likes him at all and I suspect it has something to do with the death of Tokimune's sister. It's already pretty clear that the Captain was in love with Nanjou, and now his Exec is in love with him. |
Please don't feed the trolls! In my next life I want to collide at the corner with the cute transfer student carrying a piece of toast in her mouth...rodac |
| I hope Tokimune slaughters them all. I know I would. |
| nice plot development in this episode although everything still seems very vague. Looks like next episode will elaborate more on the experiments. What a total buzz kill of a conversation to have at a bar lol. |
| and this was a great episode, some of the best up till now nice feeling when tokimune punched samonji i feel bad for him though, hearing that from is sister |
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| This ep feels so quick O.o it feels like I was only watching for 10 minutes, and "What? Just that? I want moreeee" :D Samonji clearly provoking Tokimune to hit him, hell it doesn't change anything now, does it? also maybe this is just me but seeing Samonji reminds me of Kiritsugu Emiya from Fate/Zero .__. |
"All things are poison, and nothing is without poison; only the dose permits something not to be poisonous"  PROJECT-ERASER |
| Well that was lame. I was thinking his sister's death was going to be more interesting but she died in an experiment she willingly took part in. He can't really blame anyone including the captain because it was her choice. -_- |
| Lmao the face expressions in this episode. Especially when Tokimune punched the Captain! |
| The world shall know the truth soon. |
| Would have been nice if they didn't spend too much time on the party. So it turns out Samonji didn't know about Tokimune's sister (as in he didn't know they were siblings). That's interesting, this means he didn't go easy on him earlier because of his sister (at least not directly). I think the incident with Tokimune's sister is what made Samonji care about his subordinates' lives so much that he's willing to overlook some disobedience (even messing up his superiors plans as we've seen a couple of episodes ago). The way he just told Tokimune everything was really retarded. I still don't fully understand what goes through his head tbh though, next episode will have some flashbacks and back story revelations so maybe we'll get to understand him more/better. It should be interesting. 3/5 |
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| this episode was pretty good I liked it when Jamie was questioning him that was amusing XD ending was a little sad fuck that guy in the beginning man he's an asshole |
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| The truth always painful, i feel sorry for Tokimune. and i can understand why Tokimune rage because that her older sister die as guinea pigs. |
AcezHarfianzSep 13, 2014 10:41 PM
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| Great episode! Just wondering if Susumu is just gonna stay in the in the captains unit despite all of this. |
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| So, does that make 10 out of..how many people are in their unit again? I don't think Tokimune punched a superior officer before? Anyways, unless the general was talking about all people ever working below Samonji, so any previous squads, like when he was working with Tokimune's sister, literally everyone in Indepentent Unit 8 punched a superior officer. Might be punching really changes things, given how they are rather effective compared to the rest of the army. |
| What can I say. Called it like 9 episodes back. Could see this development coming from a mile away. The only amusing thing about this boring episode was watching Jamie getting humped on the couch by the drunk mechanic girl. Can't wait for the reveal in the next episode, though I pretty much bet that the Vice isn't going to reveal TOO much to Tokimune, since it's all top secret stuff. |
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| Even though we knew it was coming, it was great the way it was handled. Samonji was definitely provoking Tokimune there. Probably because he feels responsible for what happened to Tokimune's sister. Will be interesting to see how they interact with each other from here. |
| Finally confirmed what happened to Tokimune's sister! Seeing as it was described as fate that Tokimune now pilots Argevollen, I imagine she was killed during it's development or testing. I'm glad that Samonji finally knows that Tokimune was the sister of Reika Nanjou as it'll be interesting to see how their interactions with each other change from here on. Bring on the next episode! |
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| This is the type of episode i wanted from argevellon yet they always avoided, we finally saw an episode with real human drama, i legitimately thought the characterization was pretty strong this episode and for the first time in the series it actually felt like this exsisted for the purpouse of building up a future event This series has been a rough ride but i sincerly hope it pulls itself together for its 2nd half, cause if it doesnt do it soon this is beyond saving, but it still has that chance. Episode 12 please dont let me down like ep 10 did |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Weel this series it's stating to become better, good episode BTW, |
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| 4/5 Episode that explores the secrets of the past, a good excuse to start the subplot concerning some facts to us obscure. Narrative altogether pleasant and suitable to prepare the ground for future events, I like it! Designs unfortunately go back to being ugly, oh well! This TV series is not having dips in the plot even got here, really a surprise, given the little charm that is having on the public. |
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| "By the way, have you slept with the girl outside?" Are you fucking serious? I don't know what's going in the writer's head when he thought up of dialogue like this. That man, whoever the fuck he is, the one who said that, man do I hate him. The captain should've backed out when the fucker was teasing to tell him the secret. It's like, what the fuck man if you want to tell him then tell him, if you don't, then fucking don't. It's not like the captain is interested. I hope the guy get his dick bitten off by a piranha. I wonder if 13 episodes will do for the series iif you trim down all the useless parts. Then they could also have better budget by saving a cour length of animation. |
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| The to and forth married couple interview was funny. I'm fine with the yuri action but the sudden fan service here and there really doesn't fit well though. I usually hope the the mc turns antihero on us when it comes to this, but that probably won't happen here. At long last they'll start to explain his onee-chan's circumstances. This is the real turning point. |
| The cat is out of the bag now. Tokimune now is a member of the "Hitting Your Superior Club". |
| You're a louse, Roger Smith. - R. Dorothy Wayneright This is my fight! No Senpai, this is our fight! - Kojou Akatsuki & Yukina Himeragi  |
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