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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- Short chapter. Seems like the Sakuras will destroy the hourglass using their time-space surpassing power, destroying both FWR's plans and all dimensions in the process. Man, even the main characters are selfishly destroying the worlds for their own happiness. |
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| A rather - normal - chapter in my eyes...as astonishing as that may sound. But still, the pretty artwork (as crazy and busy as it gets) is still something awesome to look at. Though both the real and clones said they will not sacrifice no one, I do wonder whether things will go that way. Fei Wong already mentioned the disaster that will happen upon real and clone Sakura using their powers. Looking forward to the repercussions of it. Though I have a feeling that's still a few chapters away. The pace seems to have slowed down a bit unfortunately. |
| Short chapter, slow pace... nothing really happened except from FWR yelling at them. :P |
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| basically they plan to escape using the 2 Sakura's power and are planning to move forward after that. and FWR keeps saying u can't and maybe if you do u will crumble time and space and yourselves but Our Heroes say no we wont, so shut up, no we wont, and near the end we see a crack and all this time FWR is moving further due to Fei and Kurogane's attack. And BTW I want xxxHOLiC more right now then this lol. |
| Yup... FWR past has to be interesting... but man.... I'd love to see this ended already.... Has been around a year since we're expecting the ending and it never comes... SO we're a chapter closer to the end I guess XD.... Nice one CLAMP... So.... FWR berserk-bananas mode made him do stupid things and bet for thing s that would break the Universe... Kewl... So form now on, it's clear both Syaos and Kuras will have a happy ending... or at least the Kuras? *shrugs* ANyway the flashy and busy art required my full attention to understand it... What means it's magnificent up to some point XD... I totally loved the way They're decided to mess with FWR plans... And Kuro-pii and Fai are back in action... YAY!!! GO CLAMP!!! Signs, Green |
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| Sakuras are using the power to try to get out of the tube. |
I ♥ Two Syaorans from Tsubasa RESERVoir CHRoNiCLE and TRC!!! |
| ugh it gets lamer and lamer every chapter... (heh some bug doesn't let me downgrade the manga to 6...) |
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myth720 said: ugh it gets lamer and lamer every chapter... (heh some bug doesn't let me downgrade the manga to 6...) Says the person with Naruto in top favourite manga... and Naruto being rated 9 by you. So stfu and gtfo of the intelligent manga discussions ^_~ Faeverily said: We all know the truth that everyone (or mostly everyone) will end up dying in some tragic fashion, however. FWR quite clearly foreshadowed that. Surely the foursome will stay alive enough till FWR is defeated, but then we will get some sad scene where they vanish. |
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| Felt like a really generic chapter ... makes me wonder whether the author is really making an effort or just pulling cliche lines from battle shonens =/ |
Jin_uzuki said: Nothing happened... again. I want to know FWR's past/identity :( myth720 said: ugh it gets lamer and lamer every chapter... I couldn't agree more. How long is this manga going to focus on the gold-hearted Mary Sues and Gary Stus…… err I mean Syaorans and Sakuras? They are so dull that I hope FWR will kill them all. |
Lain666Sep 1, 2009 1:35 PM
| "The moment one sits down to think, one becomes all nose, or all forehead, or something horrid. Look at the successful men in any of the learned professions. How perfectly hideous they are! Except, of course, in the Church. But then in the Church they don't think. A bishop keeps on saying at the age of eighty what he was told to say when he was a boy of eighteen, and as a natural consequence he always looks absolutely delightful." |
| maybe this chapter was kinda dramatic ... but quite nice =] looking forward to the next chapter ... |
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| Wow out of nowhere a ton of hate towards this series. What is it, troll season? I really enjoyed it - especially the part when they adamantly refuse to sacrifice any one of the four to escape. For once I really liked how CLAMP did NOTHING to diffrentiate between the two pairs of Sakura and Syaoran because really that's not important anymore. What's important is that they are doing whatever they can to strive for a future/a life that was controlled by this selfish bastard who just wants power and recognition. Can't wait till next chapter, interested to see the aftermath of them escaping - how are they going to deal witht he crumbling worlds? |
robbydesu said: a ton of hate towards Syaorans and Sakuras. Has this manga been going down to hell since Celes arc ended? I have corrected it for you. Actually, I used to like TRC and more or less I like every character in TRC except for Syaorans and Sakuras. They are ruining this manga. That is why I would like to see FWR's past or the plot involving Seishiro/Subaru/Kamui, but it seems Clamp have completely forgot about them. |
| "The moment one sits down to think, one becomes all nose, or all forehead, or something horrid. Look at the successful men in any of the learned professions. How perfectly hideous they are! Except, of course, in the Church. But then in the Church they don't think. A bishop keeps on saying at the age of eighty what he was told to say when he was a boy of eighteen, and as a natural consequence he always looks absolutely delightful." |
Lain666 said: I have also corrected some stuff too :D!robbydesu said: a ton of hate towards Syaorans and Sakuras. Has this manga been going down to hell since Celes arc ended? I have corrected it for you. Actually, I used to like TRC and more or less I like every character in TRC except for Syaorans and Sakuras. They are ruining this manga. That is why I would like to see FWR's past or the plot involving Seishiro/Subaru/Kamui, but it seems Clamp have completely forgotten about them. Joking aside, I agree that there is so much more to other characters especially Seishirou/Subaru/Kamui - there is definitely a deeper storyline behind them and I would love to see more of it. As for Syaoran and Sakura ruining the manga - I don't agree with that, but I don't mind hearing your opinion about that. How and why are they ruining it? I'm truly curious to know. And that brings me to another note - the idea of "has this manga been going down to hell since Celes arc ended?" That is your opinion, not mine :P. I love Celes and all but it's definitely not my favourite - it was way too long for my liking. In fact, Fai is my least favourite character out of the whole gang (Sakura, Syaoran, Kurogane, Mokona and Fai) >_>...I'll probably get a lot of hate reaction from this comment XD hahahaha~ |
| Regular chapter with nothing much to underline. Though, I really liked the Sakuras double page with the wings. It seems Fei Wong's trick bit him in the ass. |
Fai said: Says the person with Naruto in top favourite manga... and Naruto being rated 9 by you. So stfu and gtfo of the intelligent manga discussions ^_~ It seems like you really don't like Naruto LOL but Kishimoto does a great job with his manga and manages to make most chapters interesting without driving people crazy with some much going on! Not to say I don't like Clamp or Tsubasa but they seem to be stuck in this battle for ever, and most chapters leave me more confused than the previous ones....I guess the level of intelligence Naruto fans discuss the manga with depends on the forum, I will say though that just because Naruto's more popular doesn't mean the characters and story aren't well developed. ^_ ~ (not trying to offend you, just giving my opinion) As for this chapter it was ok but really short... I would like to see some more background on FWR. I never considered both Sakuras would use their abilities to escape since last chapter R Sakura and R Sayoran had no idea what the previous clones were doing.... |
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robbydesu said: As for Syaoran and Sakura ruining the manga - I don't agree with that, but I don't mind hearing your opinion about that. How and why are they ruining it? I'm truly curious to know. Syaoran and Sakura are not developed sufficiently. Sakura (the clone) is a nice girl, but she seems to be completely devoid of negative feelings. She doesn’t have to be angry or annoyed to the point of being able to commit a first degree murder, but it would make her more realistic, if she displayed a bit of anger etc and wasn’t shrouded in aura of permanent sanctity, which makes her kindness look even more artificial. Syaoran (the clone) is a sweet guy and Sakura seems to be his whole world, which is nice but boring. He has no hobby, no interest other than Sakura. He reminds me of harem anime girls whose one and only ambition is limited to being a housefrau. They don’t develop they are as infinitely kind at the end as they were at the beginning. Syaoran is as determined as he was. Everything that has happened has no influence on their behaviour or attitude. They have an idyllic relationship. If there is a problem it is because of FWR’s machinations. Problems are from outside of their relationship, never from inside. Let me give an example to illustrate the point. Syaoran never gets angry because of Sakura’s behaviour. There are no quarrels that stem from misunderstandings or their habits or from the way they behave. I’m under impression that Clamp want people to like them as much as Syaoran and Sakura from CCS, but in the process of doing that they overstep the boundary between a character that is plausible and a character that gives a feeling of artificiality. Another problem I have with this manga is that it is going to have a forced happy ending. There is a series of lucky events that make it possible for every single Syaoran and Sakura to be together and at the same time it totally destroys the plot. First, it turns out that there are two Sakuras, so the real Syaoran has his own Sakura with whom he can be happy. In order to give the real Syaoran his own Sakura the plot twist from Tokyo arc had to be repeated. Next, it turns out that both Sakuras can be saved. Then, it turns out that Clow Reed and Yuuko paid the price for bringing back Syaoran (the clone) and Sakura (the clone). Why did they pay the price for Syaoran and Sakura? Why didn’t they do anything to change, for example: Fay’s past? Syaoran and Sakura are not the only characters affected by FWR’s machinations. Furthermore, Clow Reed gave his magic to Syaoran? Why Syaoran? Why didn’t he give his magic to Fay? Wouldn’t that be a more logical choice? Fay is a powerful magician if his power was combined with Clow Reed’s power it would probably be easier for him to kick FWR’s ass than for Syaoran, who has no magical power. The only reason why Syaoran was chosen I can think of is that he is the main character. It’s blatantly obvious that Calmp want to make a happy ending for every Sakura and Syaoran. I don’t mind if a story has a happy ending, but I don’t like deus ex machine solutions. |
| "The moment one sits down to think, one becomes all nose, or all forehead, or something horrid. Look at the successful men in any of the learned professions. How perfectly hideous they are! Except, of course, in the Church. But then in the Church they don't think. A bishop keeps on saying at the age of eighty what he was told to say when he was a boy of eighteen, and as a natural consequence he always looks absolutely delightful." |
| Finally, both Sakuras and Shaoran will escape from the tube... Now what will happen?? Waiting for chapter 230 |
| I can agree that both Sakura's and Syaoran's shouting alot about how no one will be sacrificed is a little off base. I mean the whole world is crumbling and FWR seems to think its gunna end. |
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Xrave said: CCS! Sakura was the typical genki girl right? So what? As far as I remember, CCS! Sakura has mild fits of anger that are usually aimed at Touya. Xrave said: she won't kill someone either. Read my post. She doesn’t have to be angry or annoyed to the point of being able to commit a first degree murder, …. Xrave said: Later on, she showed determination in being heartless in that chess-like game from around chapter 180 or something because she already knew of the future. It was a front. Xrave said: Although, i can't really repute your other comments about why they didn't change Fai's past and stuff - I don't know, don't care, and it's irrelevant to the plot. It’s irrelevant to you. Those events are relevant to the plot as they weaken the plot by making it illogical, repetitious, boring and predictable. |
| "The moment one sits down to think, one becomes all nose, or all forehead, or something horrid. Look at the successful men in any of the learned professions. How perfectly hideous they are! Except, of course, in the Church. But then in the Church they don't think. A bishop keeps on saying at the age of eighty what he was told to say when he was a boy of eighteen, and as a natural consequence he always looks absolutely delightful." |
Faeverily said: First of all, why would CLAMP make her angry enough to be able to commit a first-degree murder? Why would they do that? Read my post She doesn’t have to be angry or annoyed to the point of being able to commit a first degree murder,....... Faeverily said: In Infinity, Sakura didn't intend to get the prize money in order to save the poor little kids in the world before. She intended to go to another dimension, and she became much more darker and distant from the rest of the group during that time. She started to wear gothic clothing, and she began to confide in Fay who was also pushing himself away from the rest of the group. It went to the point where she became, like, emo. If you compare Sakura's state of mind at that point to, say, when she was in Outo, she has become a whole different person. Yes, she's kind, but she's not infinitely kind like you say she is. You failed to mention that in Infinity, Sakura sacrificed her leg and good luck to change the future that she had seen in her dream in which Syaoran died, so she does show her goodness. http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/152/16/ Faeverily said: Have you forgotten that he has only half of a soul? He's a created being. Hobby? Archaelogy? Fighting? Yes, something is mentioned about archaeology at the beginning, and I think that is all. Fighting? Didn’t he train so that he would protect Sakura? I would have appreciated if his thinking hadn’t revolved around Sakura almost all the time. Faeverily said: I wonder if you've even taken the time to read all of Tsubasa. Have you read Tokyo, Infinity, Celes, and Nihon at all? I have read Tokyo, Infinity, Celes, and Nihon. Actually, Tokyo, Infinity and Celes are my favourite arcs. So, what has changed after Tokyo, Infinity, Celes, and Nihon? Do their opinions about people, the world etc change? No. Do they think that they were too naïve to trust people? No. So, what has changed? Faeverily said: This is not a romance. Tsubasa does not entirely revolve around Syaoran's and Sakura's love. But Syaoran and Sakura are the main characters and a lot of time is wasted on their relationship. Faeverily said: They are not fully mature, they are not adults, and they are only teenagers. You talk about them like a married couple. I didn’t know that misunderstandings etc are restricted to married couples. Faeverily said: Knowing that Syaoran, Fai, and Kurogane would be angry, Sakura decided to go to another dimension by herself. Knowing that Fai would be angry, Kurogane and Syaoran decided to see Sakura off when she went by herself at Tokyo. Those are just a few examples. There are quarrels between the main characters all throughout the series... I wrote what I don’t like in Syaoran and Sakura’s relationship. You described their relationships with the others. Faeverily said: First off, this is a fictional world. Second, this is a fantasy genre. Third, Sakura and Syaoran are NOT the same ones from CCS. Not even alternate versions. This was made clear in like the last 20 chapters. Have you even read anything? First of all, the fact that Tsubasa is a fictional world has nothing to do with it. A well-developed character is a well-developed character. Secondly, where did I write that they are the same as Sakura and Syaoran from CCS? I have written that, in my opinion, Clamp want Sakura and Syaoran from TRC to be as liked as their predecessors from CCS. Faeverily said: Uh, I'm sorry? Are you even familiar with CLAMP at all? They are not afraid at all to kill off all the main characters for the sake of a story, so don't even get started. This manga is definitely NOT going to have a happy ending, it was confirmed by CLAMP that only one character would be miserable. But for that to happen, that would mean that the three others would be killed leaving one behind. I am positive that AT LEAST one more of them will die. CLAMP already killed clone Sakura twice, real Sakura's body once, clone Syaoran, Yuuko, Kyle, Xing-Huo, Ashura (no, he's not a bad guy), Fai lost his eye, Kurogane lost a limb, and Watanuki found out that he was not even supposed to exist. Just because you read Cardcaptor Sakura does not mean that everything CLAMP makes is "happy". You obviously haven't read other mangas, which are COMPLETELY filled with angst and destiny and even more angst. Tokyo Babylon, did you read that? X/1999, did you read that? I have read RG Veda, so I know they can kill their characters. Honestly, I don’t think Clamp would bother bringing Syaoran and Sakura back to kill them now. I hope Clamp will prove me wrong, though. Faeverily said: It's called "wishes" and "payment". Yuuko is one of the most powerful magicians ever, not to mention Cardcaptor Sakura, the strongest magician in the CLAMP universe, who does not appear in this manga but gives up her STAFF to help out. Clow Reed was involved too. Not to mention Fai, Princess Tomoyo, and Ashura-ou. And clone Sakura gave up her luck and the use of her right leg. Reincarnated Syaoran and Reincarnated Sakura gave up the ability to touch the one you love in order to proceed to that time again. Fei Wong Reed murdered Fai's twin, and Kurogane's mother. A GREAT number of sacrifices from a great many of people were required just to fulfill this. Yes, there are some unpleasant situations. However, there are situations that make it painfully obvious that every Syaoran and Sakura are going to have a happy ending. Faeverily said: There's ONE Sakura. ONE Syaoran. Remember? Clone's reincarnation? Giving birth to the original, so it turns out that they are the same person? What? Faeverily said: Clow Reed paid no price. Yuuko paid no price. What are you talking about? http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/220/13/ Faeverily said: Clow Reed did NOT give his magic to Syaoran. Read chapter 219 http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/219/014-015/ Faeverily said: Let me inform you that Fay's brother died BECAUSE of Fei Wong Reed. Where did I state otherwise? Faeverily said: Again with the happy ending...have you read Tsubasa AT ALL? Or are you just following the anime, which is disgusting crap compared the manga? o_O Yes I have read the manga, and I believe that Clamp, for some reasons, don’t want to or cannot kill Syaoran and Sakura for good and that Clamp is certain to fail in their attempt to make a well-written happy ending for Syaorans and Sakuras. Nothing short of a miracle can make this story better, IMO. |
Lain666Sep 5, 2009 10:56 AM
| "The moment one sits down to think, one becomes all nose, or all forehead, or something horrid. Look at the successful men in any of the learned professions. How perfectly hideous they are! Except, of course, in the Church. But then in the Church they don't think. A bishop keeps on saying at the age of eighty what he was told to say when he was a boy of eighteen, and as a natural consequence he always looks absolutely delightful." |
| I was busy during the past days, but finally I have some time. Faeverily said: Yes, she doesn't have to be. What does that have to do with anything? Eh I like it when characters show a lot of emotions, those positive and those negative. What I want to say is that she doesn’t have to be extremely angry, annoyed etc. Good characters may have mild fits of anger from time to time and it will not destroy or undermine their goodness (for example: Sakura from CCS or Ahiru from Princess Tutu), but if they act all the time like angels from heaven it may be a problem for some people like me as the character will be seen as one-dimensional. For me to like a character, he/she doesn’t have to be constantly shown in the best possible light. Faeverily said: Sakura changed greatly. How has she changed? I only noticed she makes more mature expressions. To be honest I don’t see any change in her character. Faeverily said: Real Syaoran went so far as to travel back in time to save the one he loves. How does that show any change in his character? It happens chronologically very early. Faeverily said: Kurogane learned the meaning of true strength, and Fai found people precious to him (he also learned to value his life instead of living half of one). Kurogane and Fai's opinions of each other change greatly throughout Tsubasa. They both break the chains that bind them to their past. If you compare the second half of the manga to the first part, they are extremely different. I agree, Fay and Kurogane are my favourite characters. They are the very reason why I have been reading Tsubasa for all this years :). They are well-developed; you can tell that they would react differently in some situations. For example: the fight between Fay and Seishiro in Ōto country would have ended differently if Seishiro had faced Fay from recent chapters. Do you think the same thing can be said about Syaoran? Faeverily said: Must a relationship be entirely realistic in order to be enjoyable to the reader? Yes, their relationship is a little uncanny, but CLAMP always revolves around the idea of "soulmates" and "eternal bonds". Syaoran and Sakura were meant to be together, and I suppose CLAMP wanted to illustrate that in the best way possible. Is there any room for misunderstandings at this point in the plotline? It doesn’t have to be entirely realistic, but I would like it much more if it was a bit more realistic and less idyllic. Of course, it is a matter of opinion whether or not you like idyllic romances. Faeverily said: I don't see why you think they're not well-developed. Have you noticed that you could write more about Fay and Kurogane development in comparison to Sakura and Syaoran? Sakura can make more mature expressions, but she is still the same nice, good Sakura that we can see at the beginning. Syaoran has the experience of being controlled, but it hasn’t changed his character. He is still determined and nice. Faeverily said: It is not stated how Clow Reed left behind his "life and magical power". The scanlation makes it confusing. This'll probably clear up when the official English translation is released. http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/219/014-015/ If you read the previous page, you will see that FWR shouts at Syaoran. FWR: No …. This is Clow’s magic itself. Why are you able to use it?! On the next page (the one I have given link) Yuuko said. “because it was Clow that gave it to him” I think Yuuko's words cannot be more explicit. Faeverily said: Yuuko did not pay the price herself, she used the wishes that accumulated during her time at her shop. On the next page she said that she had spent her days in that shop, granting people’s wishes so that she might use that as the price for Sakura’s life. It’s a clause of purpose, which means that: The purpose of spending her days in that shop was to give Sakura life. Faeverily said: Changing the past is a difficult thing, and they could not change a multiple number of things. Besides, if they changed Fai's past, he would never go on the journey with them. Messing with time comes with a great price. In the story, Yuuko said that "There is no coincidence, only hitsuzen." If Fai's past was meant to be, it was meant to be. Fai wouldn't want them to change his past, anyways. Why do Clow Reed and Yuuko pay the price for the clones life? Wouldn’t it be easier if Clow Reed left his power to someone that lives at that point (I mean chapters 219)? For example: Fay or R!Syaoran? As we know now, the clones have to die, anyway. In this situation why didn’t Clow Reed give his magical power to someone whose chances of defeating FWR are greater? Besides, it is possible that Clow Reed was alive when Fay was imprisoned. Oh well at least the clones are going to die (I pray that this time they are going to die for good), so there is a positive turn of events. |
| "The moment one sits down to think, one becomes all nose, or all forehead, or something horrid. Look at the successful men in any of the learned professions. How perfectly hideous they are! Except, of course, in the Church. But then in the Church they don't think. A bishop keeps on saying at the age of eighty what he was told to say when he was a boy of eighteen, and as a natural consequence he always looks absolutely delightful." |
| I like how fei Wong reed looked scared in the end? |
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