| Black Rock Shooter, too. |
| I heard Sayaka's voice actress in the PV :O |
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Tsukasa112 said: I knew Madoka would kill the Mahou Shoujo genre. We'll never have one again that isn't something like Precure without people comparing it to Madoka in every way then saying its a bad series because it's not Madoka. ...Because the Mahou Shoujo genre was so pristine before right? |
RLinksoul said: LordLagann said: Tsukasa112 said: I knew Madoka would kill the Mahou Shoujo genre. We'll never have one again that isn't something like Precure without people comparing it to Madoka in every way then saying its a bad series because it's not Madoka. ...Because the Mahou Shoujo genre was so pristine before right? And before Madoka, every magical girl show had to deal with "This show is a ripoff of Sailor Moon" Agreeing with Tsukasa. Prism Nana (which this reminds me of) gets a lot of that, worse because it's a shaft anime. So many people wanting Prism Nana to be "The next Madoka" or do the exact same shock value thing Madoka did. It's kind of depressing. Actually, every show before Madoka was pretty much a carbon copy of each other. I can recall about one or two titles that actually gave the Mahou Shoujo genre some class and dignity. I mean Mahou Shoujo genre was more bland numerous then Harem or Ecchi series, ridiculous. Suddenly Modoka comes along and finally brings the genre to that next level of excitement and quality, a well overdue treatment. As far as future Mahou Shoujo series and Prism Nana it should be adamant now this genre can be taken seriously and there is finally a standard to abide by. Not just mindless transformation scenes and regurgitated story elements. |
LordLagann said: RLinksoul said: LordLagann said: Tsukasa112 said: I knew Madoka would kill the Mahou Shoujo genre. We'll never have one again that isn't something like Precure without people comparing it to Madoka in every way then saying its a bad series because it's not Madoka. ...Because the Mahou Shoujo genre was so pristine before right? And before Madoka, every magical girl show had to deal with "This show is a ripoff of Sailor Moon" Agreeing with Tsukasa. Prism Nana (which this reminds me of) gets a lot of that, worse because it's a shaft anime. So many people wanting Prism Nana to be "The next Madoka" or do the exact same shock value thing Madoka did. It's kind of depressing. Actually, every show before Madoka was pretty much a carbon copy of each other. I can recall about one or two titles that actually gave the Mahou Shoujo genre some class and dignity. I mean Mahou Shoujo genre was more bland numerous then Harem or Ecchi series, ridiculous. Suddenly Modoka comes along and finally brings the genre to that next level of excitement and quality, a well overdue treatment. As far as future Mahou Shoujo series and Prism Nana it should be adamant now this genre can be taken seriously and there is finally a standard to abide by. Not just mindless transformation scenes and regurgitated story elements. Because you've seen so much mahou shoujo. If you're seriously saying that the mahou shoujo genre is blander then harem and ecchi them you're likely basing your statements off of what you've heard, not seen. Mahou shoujo can be good without following Madoka standards. See Heartcatch and DokiDoki precure, Cardcaptor Sakura, Princess Tutu or the Shugo Chara manga. |
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RLinksoul said: Well that was a completely unbiased, well informed speech. I don't normally like to judge based on people's lists, but I have to wonder what you've actually seen, since the only magical girl shows in there are Nanoha and Madoka. As someone who's watched over 30 magical girl shows I can name so many titles that are anything but mindless transformation scenes and regurgitated story elements. Nanoha came out in 2004 where as I joined MAL in 2009. Right after the initial Nanoha series ended I thought I had misjudged the genre so I took it upon myself to pick it up. There was this one series, I forgot the name, that I picked up right after Nanoha. Same genre but it was exactly the type of thing I feared about Mahou Shoujo. It was bland, uninspiring, and just awful. I was about a month into searching and reading up on current Mahou Shoujo titles when I decided that this genre is beyond help. Title after title there wasn't any noticeable difference in structure, atmosphere, or even the archetypes. They all just slightly varied enough so that each title isn't an exact duplicate of each other. In a month I couldn't even get past one title so I just gave up. ihateeveryonequote said: Because you've seen so much mahou shoujo. If you're seriously saying that the mahou shoujo genre is blander then harem and ecchi them you're likely basing your statements off of what you've heard, not seen. Mahou shoujo can be good without following Madoka standards. See Heartcatch and DokiDoki precure, Cardcaptor Sakura, Princess Tutu or the Shugo Chara manga. That's exactly what I mean. Just doing a soft search of the genre you'd get hundreds and hundreds of titles. I didn't bother to waste time shifting the entirety spectrum for five of decent series. All of which still lack the gravity and prestige that Madoka finally bought. Every genre has that one defining title that shakes the very foundations of it's roots, but until Madoka came along every Mahou Shoujo series seem like all of them were cut from the same cloth. |
MillaMaxwell said: Black Rock Shooter, too. +1 :( I'm worried |
| I hope it has good fight scenes like Madoka, plenty of Sakuga animation would be nice. LordLagann said: As far as future Mahou Shoujo series and Prism Nana it should be adamant now this genre can be taken seriously and there is finally a standard to abide by. Not just mindless transformation scenes and regurgitated story elements. Prism Nana is just a theme for a pachinko machine, not an anime. |
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LordLagann said: Just curious... how does "soft search of the genre" looks like? Reading synopsis of series or tv tropes? That's exactly what I mean. Just doing a soft search of the genre you'd get hundreds and hundreds of titles. I didn't bother to waste time shifting the entirety spectrum for five of decent series. All of which still lack the gravity and prestige that Madoka finally bought. Every genre has that one defining title that shakes the very foundations of it's roots, but until Madoka came along every Mahou Shoujo series seem like all of them were cut from the same cloth. But to the topic - Madoka wasn't anything defining, shaking the foundation or prestigious - just another dark magical girl anime (or adult oriented) like many others before: Utena, Princess Tutu or Nanoha did the same things earlier. If something was to be called defining the genre it should be Sailor Moon, Cardcaptor or mentioned before Utena, not this - I don't see to much series that follow Madoka path or any changes in the genre after it. Gravity? Any kid oriented series (which currently means Precure) dwarfs Madoka in terms of sales and popularity, fact that Western fans sees it in different way it's only their problem. |
Tsukasa112 said: I knew Madoka would kill the Mahou Shoujo genre. We'll never have one again that isn't something like Precure without people comparing it to Madoka in every way then saying its a bad series because it's not Madoka. Exactly. Madoka was pretty bad in general though. Not because of how it added a twist to Magical Girl anime, I mean the characters, layout, EVERYTHING, sucked about it. |
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| I do not like to compare "magical girls" with Madoka (since I am watching the kid-friendly Doki Doki PreCure)... And because I like PMMM too in it's own "surprises". :I I love the artwork for the "tarot cards", and that the style had a "kawaii" appeal, but also had a gritty and "Gothic" fantasy theme to it. I can not even confirm if this is really a "magical girl" series. (Because there are times I want to refuse the thing I love to watch as "one".) And so far no forced fanservice. The one thing I want to see in a serious "magical girl" show. So I hope it remains tame in character design while giving me the "HOL YEA THIS IS EPIC" kind of feel... *Cough* |
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| This doesn't look like Madoka to me. The character design is giving off vibes that this is very much a fan service-driven series, and the fact that much the head staff is known for working on Sekirei and Ro-kyu-bu does not seem promising. |
| 誰も、未来を信じない |
| Madoka still sits very lonely at the very top of my anime list, high above 2nd place. There seriously has been no contenders able to come close to the #1 spot for 2 1/2 years now. Still hoping for that anime to come along. Any day now... |
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| The first episode has just been aired in a fan event. Most people commented being reminded of Maoka. Apparently there is scene of gore from the very first episode, and contrast between gentle life scenes and violent battles seems to be prominent. Also it seems there may be censorship for the TV broadcast too. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| It reminded me more of panty and stocking to be honest... |
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symbv said: The first episode has just been aired in a fan event. Most people commented being reminded of Maoka. Apparently there is scene of gore from the very first episode, and contrast between gentle life scenes and violent battles seems to be prominent. Also it seems there may be censorship for the TV broadcast too. If this is half as good as Madoka, it's easily anime of the year. |
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Omniknight said: symbv said: The first episode has just been aired in a fan event. Most people commented being reminded of Maoka. Apparently there is scene of gore from the very first episode, and contrast between gentle life scenes and violent battles seems to be prominent. Also it seems there may be censorship for the TV broadcast too. If this is half as good as Madoka, it's easily anime of the year. What if Prism Nana airs this year? |
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| Yes quite a bit. Though whether that proves to be a good thing or a bad thing has yet to be determined. |
| As of the most recent episode, I don't really feel that way now. There are certainly similarities, but I'd be hard pressed to say something as incriminating as Madoka 2.0 or rip off. Both deal with the darker side of human nature, specifically despair, but use it in different ways to tell different stories. |
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| i think both just same because they have same dark story ... but different with madoka,this show already start the dark plot in first episode,when madoka dark plot starting in mid show and the story just a bit too easy to predicted just hopping they got a mindfuck twist as same level as madoka. |
| Yeah Totally!! But this anime is so underrated it makes me sad. |
AmarilloHomura said: I can't see comparisons to Madoka as anything other than a compliment. Besides, this show has been different enough to stand on it's own two feet after 4 episodes. Hopefully it's quality will continue at the level it has been at so the next dark mahou shoujo can be "the next Genei wo Kakeru" A comparison to Madoka isn't a compliment or an insult, just a statement of fact. For example, Man of Steel is quite similar to The Dark Knight (both because Christopher Nolan produced it and because they were attempting to mimic TDK's success). The Dark Knight is widely regarded an excellent movie, probably one of the best blockbusters of the past several years. Man of Steel's reception was mixed at best. Similarity has no bearing on quality. People have been calling Genei the worst anime of the season. Personally I don't think so - I'm watching one thing I like less than it - but it's got a 6.85 from user ratings. That's low. For average user reviews, that's really, really low. I don't think there's a single anime on my list ranked that poorly. Once again, similarity has no bearing on quality. |
| Prism Nana isn't an anime. Its a panchinko machine. |
| Yeah, they both are magical girls with a dark feeling in it. But I find them alot different, Madoka is more psychological and unique. But still: both are magical girl horrors, so yeah, they remind me of each other :U or rather Genei of Madoka |
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| Well I'm happy that more titles that portray more of the dark side of magical girls are getting more popular; b/c of madoka magica, at least we'll be seeing more of this similar genre in the future. :3 |
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Rayla said: It reminded me more of panty and stocking to be honest... wtf!? I see no connection there but what ever. Madoka comparison i can totally see it. Makes it some what predictable but not totally. Either way totally enjoyable here and there. |
DrCakey said: Similarity has no bearing on quality. Yes. This. Genei definitely has strong similarity's to Madoka but that doesn't make it bad OR good. People should stop using comparisons to Madoka to say whether this is a good or bad show. Personally I feel that while it does have a lot of similarities it has enough differences to be judged on it's own merits or faults rather than people simply deciding it's good or bad based on how it relates to Madoka. I think it's to early to talk about the rating however - that will probably change rapidly once the series has finished airing. There's no way to tell whether this anime ends up a good show or a bad one until we've seen it in entirety. |
MemoBookworm said: DrCakey said: Similarity has no bearing on quality. Yes. This. Genei definitely has strong similarity's to Madoka but that doesn't make it bad OR good. People should stop using comparisons to Madoka to say whether this is a good or bad show. Personally I feel that while it does have a lot of similarities it has enough differences to be judged on it's own merits or faults rather than people simply deciding it's good or bad based on how it relates to Madoka. I think it's to early to talk about the rating however - that will probably change rapidly once the series has finished airing. There's no way to tell whether this anime ends up a good show or a bad one until we've seen it in entirety. I'm agree with you about series comparison, except this show has ruined one of the good part of its tragedy plot, with one episode left, I don't know how much they can salvage from that. |
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MemoBookworm said: DrCakey said: Similarity has no bearing on quality. Yes. This. Genei definitely has strong similarity's to Madoka but that doesn't make it bad OR good. People should stop using comparisons to Madoka to say whether this is a good or bad show. Personally I feel that while it does have a lot of similarities it has enough differences to be judged on it's own merits or faults rather than people simply deciding it's good or bad based on how it relates to Madoka. I think it's to early to talk about the rating however - that will probably change rapidly once the series has finished airing. There's no way to tell whether this anime ends up a good show or a bad one until we've seen it in entirety. There's no room for objectivity here, you. Just kidding, it's refreshing to see someone actually divorce themselves from their preconceptions and judge a show on its own merits. Wall of words inbound because I chose to make this show my pet project for the season (researching everything I could find about this unloved newcomer; you'd be surprised how much useless trivia I've learned about this show) and so naturally I'm opinionated about it. As far as this particular show goes, the instant I see "trying too hard to be Madoka!" in someone's summary/review, I dismiss their opinion as biased and basically worthless (I think a lot of the accusations of the show being a "complete ripoff" come from a confirmation bias, where going in actively scouring the content for anything that could be construed as tangentially similar to some element of Madoka, whether founded or not reinforces their prejudices and it becomes a huge negative feedback loop). Some similarities were definitely there, but the two shows were largely different. Where Madoka focused more on the internal doubts/fears/struggles/hopes/relationships etc., as the nature of contracting was revealed and upping the emotional ante, Gen'ei was more action-oriented with a token episode for each girl to show us what they're all about, but focusing on the external conflict against a manipulative villain with a creepy self-serving goal in mind and his efforts to destabilize and weaken the group. This, among numerous other things is where I can be assured that Gen'ei really didn't use Madoka as the template for its story at all*. Madoka's a bar too high for anyone to reach in the foreseeable future. Just like nobody's going to out-Evangelion Evangelion. But Madoka blazed a new path down the "dark mahou shoujo" subgenre and it'd be foolish to think that it's sacred ground where no other show must tread or experiment. Gen'ei was flawed and average quality at best (the first half-cour was uninspired; second half-cour found its stride), but I felt it did its own thing and had a unique charm if you didn't go into the show with a contemptuous attitude because you felt Madoka claimed finders-keepers on the entire subgenre. * but oh god, that one scene with the worm-thing coming out of Cerebrum's belly and eating Not-Mami (the artist), what the christ were they thinking? Even if it was meant to be a tip of the hat to Madoka, that really didn't do the show any favors in light of the controversy. |
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