Saki: Achiga-hen - Episode of Side-A Episode 5 Discussion

KaitoDash said:
Toki shows no mercy. I really want to see her against Saki.

Kuro's hands can hit hard, but her flaw is deadly.

kuuderes_shadow said:


Toki vs Saki? Saki would slaughter her. Remember that Toki is weak to people calling. And Saki calls pons and kans rather often.

And yes, Kuro's game is a very high stakes one.

Blackbird said:
Kuro have a powerfull offensive but her defense is weak, and they also figure out that she can't discard a dora hands, but don't you think she should try take that risk and improved her playstyle.

It's really fit her name as Toki " Time " with her ability to read in one turn around. :D
She always feel tired, dunno what her problem is.

Marina2 said:


Toki can just wait to chan-kan Saki like Yumi from Tsuruga did. Actually, Toki can even do it easier thank to to her power.

Well, it depends on the speed that who will be in Tenpai first.

Maddo_scientisto said:

As far as the "monster" of the nationals goes Toki is a medium level one.
If we were to rank Kiyosumi and Achiga taking in account that Toki is a normal level monster we'll get

Saki: High level monster - Demon
Nodoka: High level monster
Yukki: Low level monster
Hisa: Low level monster - Medium level monster
Mako: Low level monster

Kuro:Low level monster
Yuu:Low level monster
Rest of Achiga is not worth mentioning, Ako is good but do not use any ability. Shizuno is just outright weak.
For some other comparaison:
Teru: God
Koromo: Medium level monster
Touka: Normal player - High level monster

shizuru1412 said:

Nodoka isn't really 'monster' per se, she just didn't believe the supernatural stuffs, She'll get hit hard when she's against.... wait, um, Hatsumi, like on ep 25 pv. She's pretty good 4 star player, who plays logical digital style, and thank goddess most player in Fukushou are digital/logical player.
Akko? Looked like she could sense the flow, but that's about it, I think. Kinda like Jun level, but not as high as Mihoko's.

Last year Senriyama is on 4th place....
The finalist are :
Shiraitodai (1)
Rinkai (2/3)
Eisui (2/3)
Senriyama (4) - With Ryuuka as Captain.
Oh, and Ryuuka is Senriyama's club prez, and since authority = asskicking, I expect her to be a good player... Where is your Ryuu, Ryuuka? XD
Ryuumonbuchi got eliminated in semi finals (I think it's the round where Senriyama and Rinkai is) when Touka is on cold mode - and Megan dropped other player below zero, and Koromo almost took the mvp from Teru, but Teru went berserk and got her mvp 2 years in a row.
By the way, Toki is trolling.
Ryuuka: I wasn't able to do anything in the finals.
Toki: The match was practically decided before you could do anything (= Teru is senpou last year too? Or not? Gotta rewatch ep 25)
Ryuuka: ...
Toki: Good luck, new Prez.
The translation really should differentiate between Prez and Captain... >.>

Maddo_scientisto said:

Nodoka is a monster. Her thought and calculation proccess are inhuman and once she initiate in Noddochi mode she play a perfect digital style. Perfection is not something that human poccess so she is in a way beyond human, thus a monster player.
I do not remember Ako being able to sense the flow. She's deemed a strong digital player last time I checked and that's why she has the title of Achiga's strongest because she got the most logical and less monstrous play of them all. She's like a mini Nodoka.

Ryuuka is not strong, Tomboy is Senriyama's second best player. Now their ace is Toki. I do not remember any other Senriyama's player other than Toki to have any kind of ability.

Also Koromo play as captain while Teru play as vanguard, they never played together.
Actually when Ryuumonbuchi got to the national, Koromo was pretty much weak and couldn't do much since it was the day and there wasn't any sign of the moon.
The one that got them to semi final was Touka with her cold mode which devastated about everyone.
I do not remember who they lost to but I'm sure it wasn't Shiratodai but most likely the fourth school that'll be on the Achiga-Kiyosumi-Shiratodai final table, basically Saki's opponent in the semi-final.

shizuru1412 said:


But Nodoka's thought and calculation process are fruition from years of playing digital mahjong (since she was little, she was hospitalized?), and so far doesn't have any special moves or gimmicks. Other than that Nodocchi transformation who added her digital mahjong accuration... ) :D She doesn't even care about the flow, only to 'win' by calculating and stuffs...
We didn't know Ryuuka's power yet, and since Toki mentioned about Cela and Ryuuka overdoing themself (by being on first team), so I guess they're pretty decent (besides, sending strong player is like a must - with the exception of Achiga who send Shizuno instead of Yuu... >.>)
They got defeated by Rinkai, the seeded team... on the very bottom left of the bracket, the almost all international players.
Izumi stated about Akko (I prefer calling Ako than Akko) being able to read the flow pretty beautifully, only overshadowed by their senpai (Yuu and Kuro)'s special ability... Well, dora Monster and Yuu's ability....

Marina2 said:
@Maddo_scientisto Hmm...You seems to have different view on the term "monster" from me.

For me, I divide player into 4 type (not by skill!)

1. High-class Monster - Special Ability user who have an abiliy that allow them to dominate the game easily. Ex. Koromo

2. Monster - player who have special ability to support them in a game but not too powerful for skilled/normal player to defeat them with some good plans. Ex. Saki
, Kuro, Momo,Toki,Mihoko,

3. Skilled player - "Normal" player who have good sense on the flow of game,skilled in reading opponent hand, good planning, and have skill or ability that base on "logic" (possible to do in real life) Ex. Hisa, Nodoka,Mako,Yumi,Yukki,Ako,Touka
Note- While Saki's rinchan is possible to do in real life, do it many times in row is impossible in reality.

4. Normal player - Well, player that only there to fill the table.

And hey! shizuru1412 and Maddo_scientisto, don't discuss about player and their abilities that haven't showed yet in anime outside a spoiler tag.

katsu044 said:
Kuro ;_; i shed a fake tear for you was really expecting Toki to pass out mid game though.

Mogami-kun said:
Is "going to the nationals" a euphemism for lesbian marriage in Sakiverse?

I know this may sound weird, but I actually missed the mahjong bits in this spin-off, glad to have some. 4/5.

Maddo_scientisto said:

Ryuuka and co consider Toki's power as 'incredible and amazing', as 'Senriyama's trump card' so much that they made her their ace soon after learning about it.

rondo56 said:

They actually made her ace before finding out she even had her future sight ability.

kuuderes_shadow said:
Remember that Momo heavily outplayed Nodoka (offscreen) without Nodoka being affected by Momo's so-called occult powers (indeed Momo's confidence in her abilities actually helped Nodoka gain off her). Indeed Momo completely breaks that power ranking, as she has been shown to be able to outperform Nodoka in terms of rational ability (and it was of course that skill that got her in the team in the first place), which would suggest she was a very high level rational-monster as it were, and also she has roughly zero presence, which would suggest by that scale that she isn't even on the monster scale.

kuuderes_shadow said:
You're just focusing on what is SHOWN. When the key word of my statement was "offscreen".

The vice captain's match for the Nagano qualifiers can be divided into 3 distinct parts. The first two of these are shown. The third is not.

Here's what's shown:

The first part is Nodoka basically owning everyone.
Fukabori -3100
Nodoka +18300
Touka -5200
Momo -10000

The second part is when Touka and Momo get their crazy wins and when Nodoka stops Momo. The points from those 4 hands are:
Fukabori -8000
Nodoka 0
Touka +14900
Momo -6900

After that, Momo has to face up against Nodoka straight on. This isn't shown but the end scores are known so we know that the scores for this part are:
Fukabori +600
Nodoka -11900
Touka -14800
Momo +26100

As you can see, Momo gained a ton of points, and Nodoka lost a ton of points. So either Momo was winning off someone and they in turn were winning off Nodoka, or Momo was winning off Nodoka. Either way SOMEONE was able to beat Nodoka down.
The fact that that explanation is simpler and matches the commentator's message at the end (calling both Momo and Nodoka's play "world class") makes the latter seem more likely. Especially as it's also known that Momo is a very skilled player in terms of normal play from other pieces of info anyway.

Solkiskey said:
At last, an improvement! Too bad it's still nowhere as good as Saki S1.

2.5/5 for this episode yo

shizuru1412 said:
... Someone correct me please, I can't really understand the counting of Toki's 2nd last and last hand... since she got at least Riichi + Ippatsu + Tsumo, and won with Pinfu Yaku most of the time...

ChrisH8 said:
The anime's scoring seems correct. You might want to solve it yourself rather than looking at:
#4
#5

AirStyles said:
So, little monster Kuro met a medium level monster Toki and got wipe off the table.
Now, little monster Yuu is going to do her part (She's said to be at least as good as her sister).
Looks like Toki have very low stamina, she'll get her butt whoop if she ever met a field controlling monster like Koromo or Mihoko. Then you have Saki... who'll probably wipe everyone mentioned so far... This is awesome. ^_^
I think Yuu is going to overcome whatever thrown at her by Senriyama, believe in big sis!!
Hmmm... with one of their Ace Kuro beaten so easily... I have to question their chances to reach the final, I thought Kuro and Yuu would carry the team, but it seems unlikely...

shizuru1412 said:
I want to have a Ryuuka. :3