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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Wow what a way to go... ...i sense a bad end in this future |
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| Gotta say, This is the most confused I've ever been with the series, watching this episode. Half way through my mind started going blank so I had to watch scenes more than once to process it. I feel sorry for Raul, having died that way, right before meeting Pino. So we finally get some straight-to-facts dialogue this episode. Let's keep it going for the final act~ |
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| ;__; Raul and Pino... |
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| And the answers coming to me... Only one for the final. |
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| good but sad episode in a way. |
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| I feel like some confusion has been taken off my mind, good episode. Really looking forward to the final. |
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| Raul died in a really sad way :( |
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| Raul has always been a dick, but I somehow feel sorry for him. |
anciah said: I agree. but ... it's still kinda confusing for me, but finally more is known. Daedalus wanted Re-l only for himself - ho selfish :< aaand ... really. I think the only person Raul had loved was Pino ); Raul's story was really heart breaking. Imagine having seen your family murdered in front of you, your child (Pino) taken by the very person you believe was the killer. Now I can understand why his obsession to capture or kill Vincent was personal, in the end it messed his mind pretty badly. He kinda lost it in the later episodes but you'd empathize with Raul's plight. I was hoping that he'd be re-united with Pino even though temporarily but his fate was much cruel. He was not given that chance to see his "daughter"one last time and Raul is one of the many tragedies of this anime. |
| "We practice selective annihilation of mayors and government officials, for example, to create a vacuum, then we fill that vacuum. As popular war advances, peace is closer" |
| oh so that's proxy one. lol i off last thread. glad this episode cleared up some plot knots. ergo ripping off his hand and growing a new one. that was epic. i wonder why ergo freaked out at the end of the episode. |
| I love this show, really. Daedalus is one sick puppy. The show has done a good job of making me hate him, which I guess makes him a good character. And he killed poor Raul. It's good justice that even the new Re-l is thinking of other guys, which is exactly what Daedalus can't seem to stand, why he made a second Re-l in the first place. I am hoping for an optimistic ending to the series, but I know these shows don't always wrap up in a nice little bow. I have to be somewhere in less than an hour, but I have time to squeeze in the last episode if I start right now. <_< I can't stop here. |
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| Aw, Raul. That was a really bad death. >.< Watching the last episode NOW. |
| What an awesome episode *-* I didnt think that i would sorry for Raul's death. I wanted Pino to see her papa once again. :( |
| Great episode. I liked the way that God is suggested to be incomplete thus we are incomplete and that He isn't omnipotent (as it never actually states in The Bible that God is omnipotent) since the whole series has religious undertones. It was sad to see Raul die in such a pathetic way but he lost his raison d'etre. I'm not completely sure about this final plot twist but I recall the episode with the bookshop having the Proxy with that same voice. |
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| Vincent Proxy see himself... Ergo Proxy~ ... hmmm a just love this strange Anime :-> |
| Raul's death was...harsh!! So is Vincent Law both Ergo Proxy and Proxy I? WTH??? |
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| Poor Raul D:. I had hoped that he'd see Pino before dying. What a cruel horrible way to die. AT the beginning of the series, I sympathized with Daedalus and despised Raul, but now I feel completely different about them -.-. Daedalus deserves what he gets >:[ I wonder who exactly that Proxy is, was Ergo Proxy and Vincent really just a puppet of the real guy himself? I think it's kind of funny that the door to the "real god" was behind Donov Mayer the whole time. |
| Up to this point things are PRETTY confusing. I wish i had a mind like Re-l right now.... Might have to rewatch this series again in the future. |
| Raul D: Man...finally a lot of the questions answered only a few remain ;) Onto the last one :| |
| Raul's death reminded me of "Ghost", at least we know he cared about Pino after all : ) I think this is deserving of another story-arc... but I suppose it's left up to the imagination? Great series! QQQQ!!! |
| Oh come on Raul deserved a better death than that one, well at least that's what I think so. :( The statues reciting the opening quote for this series was kinda fitting in this penultimate episode. I'm already sad before seeing the last episode, I'm gonna miss Pino... and the great mindfuck I went in this series. LOL |
| You see there's no need to wonder where your god is, Coz he's right here! ...and he's fresh out of mercy. |
| This was a real sad episode. The thing that was the hardest to watch was Re-L being in love with Vincent. I am going to attempt to review this anime at the end, I've never reviewed an anime before. This is a very deistic episode, God created the world then abandoned it. I understand that. However He came back. |
| Anyone watching these moments, any some point, would really like for Raul to meet with Pino...That's was a really sad, unlikeable end but this anime isn't those rainbow and sunshines anime, that's how life works. Sometimes people die before they managed to fulfill their last wishes, sometimes people you care breath their final moments and you're not there. Even after all that, life goes on. |
| Fan of mature, dark, non-cutesy school uniformed choked fan service BS anime. |
| Well up to the last episode, didn't really liked this anime so far other than a couple episodes, well let's see how it will end! |
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Zell182 said: Great episode. I liked the way that God is suggested to be incomplete thus we are incomplete and that He isn't omnipotent (as it never actually states in The Bible that God is omnipotent) since the whole series has religious undertones. It was sad to see Raul die in such a pathetic way but he lost his raison d'etre. I'm not completely sure about this final plot twist but I recall the episode with the bookshop having the Proxy with that same voice. This.. Another Ergo Proxy showing at the end somewhat made some sense. Unto the finale. |
| I felt very sad...Raul dying in that awful way.... Also so much confusion out.. Time for the end |
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| too bad for raul |
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| Awesome episode. BTW, the name of this episode is "bilbul" which means "confusion" in hebrew. |
| Actually sad at Raul's death, he didn't get to see Pino one last time That whole part with Pino saying she can experience happiness and sadness and missing her dad and asking if he missed her too was too much! T^T |
| A bit sad about Raul. Anyway, great episode. I wonder how it will end. |
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| Heh, I really can't understand how so many of you are confused. The last 6 episodes or so have really been the least confusing of all of them. Either way onto the finale, hoping that it does justice to the rest of the show, I really enjoyed this. |
| Even though I dislike Raul, I agree his ending was way too heartbreaking. He did try his best for the city, but in the end, seeing his wife and child die and then Pino going away screwed up his mind. I shed a few tears when he died, especially seeing the tears on his face while his hand seemed to reaching for the drawing Pino made. If only Pino had stayed a little longer at the apartment... And whaaat? Another Ergo Proxy? Well actually, it makes sense...that Ergo Proxy's voice is the same as the one we heard from the bookstore episode. That voice that gave me a headache to listen to ._. Hm, I definitely like the religious themes in this anime as Zell182 mentioned. |
| Great episode, didn't see that coming. |
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| What an end for Raul there. And Daedalus is a total douche. I wonder who Monad is then? Is it Re-L? |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Raul acted like a dick a lot of the time, but he's probably one of the more realistic characters in the show. He's not all good, but he's not all bad either. Watching his family get slaughtered with his own eyes probably played a big part in why he has such an abrasive personality. As we saw clearly in this episode, ultimately he just wanted to be happy, and dying the way he did was a very sad and unfortunate way to go. So, Re-l and Ergo are both on the rooftop of the administrative building (or whatever it is), and they're facing off against what I can only assume to be Proxy One. There's only one more episode left, I wonder what will happen to Pino. I'd be disappointed if she spontaneously vanished during the last episode, as even though she never really did anything important, she still had a big presence and deserves a part in the final scenes. Also, I used to think Daedalus was cool, but after this episode I hate him. I always knew he had an obsession with Re-l, but I didn't know he had an ulterior motive. The first time I saw the Re-l clone, I thought he created it because the real Re-l was gone and he couldn't stand not being around her. While it would be an understatement to say that cloning someone because you miss them is obsessive, I was somewhat OK with it initially, because I understood that Daedalus was always kind of an oddball. Now I know that the real reason he cloned Re-l is because he couldn't stand her leaving to be with Vincent, and now he's starting to get fed up with his clone because she also wants to see Vincent as well. Daedalus is one sad, bitter person. (Also, his clone killed Raul! WTF?) |
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| Ugh ive started to hate Daedalus ever since he made that Re-L clone,hes been such a little douche,last ep and this ep just made me wanna punch him. Then when Raul pulled the gun to his head I was like YES DO IT! But alas Rhaul was the one to be shot...I really hope Daedalus dies before this ends. Rhauls end was terribly sad I was really hoping he would get to see Pino before he died, poor guy at first I hated him but I grew to understand him as the series went on. Oh and theres 2 Vincents, now im confused as hell lol. Although it was hinted at in the game show ep, its crazy how Re-L figured it all out, she really is a smart one. Looking forward to seeing how this all wraps up in the next ep. |
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| So . . . I guess that would be Proxy #0? Or perhaps Proxy #1 (in which case it would seem that Ergo lost his amulet) . . . Anyways, guessing that proxy is the true creator (also I feel the the Proxies themselves were created, in other words, whoever made them would be the god, no?) |
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| Dem feels at Pino's monologue as Raul dies....Carrying that drawing in his hand....so sad. The of split personalities and physical bodies in this show is just off the charts. Its so hard to keep track of the characters when they disappearing and materialising in other places, especially when two of them are doing it at once... gr8 show tho :D |
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| I feel REALLY bad that Raul died in such a slow and painful death. Just goes to show that Daedalus really is a mean dick. |
| At first I didn't like Raul Creed too much but understanding his past and seeing him this way really changed my view on him ,I really hoped that he had saw Pino one last time before dying ;_; , So it's certain that Vincent Law/Ergo Proxy is the creator of Romdeau , and turns out to be an 'Imperfect God' thus abandoning Romdeau and creating another personality (Vince) to forget about all he had done? (Creating an imperfect city like himself)?? Yeah I'm a little confused but hopefully everything will make more sense in the final episode , It's sucks to know that i'm at the end of a really great show |
| Nice! I really liked the directing and the overall tone of this episode. Also, what a twist at the end! I don't get why people are so confused. Sure, there was a lot of exposition, but they explained pretty much every question I had with the series. There's only a few things left unanswered. Hopefully they address them in the final episode. |
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| At first i liked Daedalus and hated Raul,but now it's opposite. |
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| Everyone are just dying here Rondo is finished PS proxy one and Vincent looks like Vash the Stampede from Trigun, with his spiky hair and red cloack |
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