Attack arc was horrendous, should I continue? [Spoilers]

Does no body get the character that is Subaru everyone’s always complaining that he’s not the chad who does everything perfect at least personally my take is he’s meant to be stuoid showing how human he is I like the cheesy power grabs but I think it’s way better when a character sucks but slowly learns and becomes better

I didnt think this season was appalling, but it definitely felt like a step down. So much cut content, Regulus felt like a joke, lack of the tension that made earlier seasons so memorable. Priscilla and Lilliana vs Wrath animation was poor quality, it felt goofy, and Theresia's episode fell emotionally flat when it should've been so much more.

That being said, there was some great parts. Garfiel vs the eight armed guy (im sorry i cant remember his name), that episode was sick. capella absolutely ate up every second she was on screen, and lots of side characters had time to shine, and we got to see fruits of subaru's efforts from the previous two seasons

here's to hoping season 4 kicks it back up a notch

I dunno, part 2 has more animated bits and epic moments, so maybe some people liked it more?

Not really relating to much about the speech part. About the inspiration, could you cite some lines from the speech that indicates Subaru is telling the audience about a speech being inspirational? Or am I getting this wrong, and you mean the audience is us??

Also where's the setup when a moment like "From Zero" or "Choose me" can happen? I am curious to know. They involved dialogue (as in, not just one person speaking), only between two people who have known each other for some time. So far in these 8 episodes, things mostly escalate and Subaru finds himself in different situations with different people. Maybe they should have gone for smarter and snappier lines during the battles, and yeah, that's fair improvement.

On the other hand, imagine making Emilia waste 10 minutes in Ep 2 explaining why she should be with Subaru as Sirius patiently waits. I liked Ep 1 for moments like Subaru's conversations with Julius and Wilhelm, but not many chances to recreate such zen later.

None of the Archbishops really mean to rizz you with their lines. Gluttony would talk like a food critic that would just use synonyms of their favourite compliment. Lust would talk like she's making absolute sense with whatever tf she interprets love. Wrath is all about theatrics and trying to gain cheap empathy. Greed is Twitter.

So yeah, that takes them out of the "lines" equation. Unless you like some of the unhinged ones.

TL; DR: Problem is the setup. Improvement can be done in smaller to-and-forth dialogues.

Btw, why would you expect Regulus to be so... active? Unless he's really irked or bothered??

Edit: Hey you can drop this anytime you want, I can't relate to media obssesion, so can't guarantee your state after watching the rest. All the best, tho.

I don't think you wanna miss the next season. And you would miss out some key moments if you skip this part. Especially the Conclusion of this arc is very important, for each Characters.
Moreover peeking into your watchlist, you're watching more obscure shows, yet ranting about this show. 8eps won't hurt your eyes, rather than watching multiple obscure shows.
But yea, you need to turn your brain off while watching it, cuz Re:Zero doesn't respect the maturity of it's audience, they spoon feed each an every information & address it multiple times, which is a downgrade of this season. A show needs to grow along with it's audience, and this show doesn't. I hope they don't follow the same trend in the upcoming seasons.

@DemonChicken123 Regulus is a walking contradication. Every line he says is in character. It's your problem understanding him, so I will just leave you be with your issues.

Addition: Also by being bothered, I mean feeling threatened. Regulus yaps because of everything not going as he would have liked. But again him admitting that he's "bothered" because of others doesn't make him feel good, so he'll talk about it not being a problem at the same time. Give some thought into this.

Thanks for the citations! So by the audience, you meant the Re:Zero viewers and not the Priestella citizens. That was my confusion.

Ok, funny thing is audience knowing is not equal to different characters knowing or thinking about it at the same time. Some of them got Wrathzoned, some Lustzoned, etc. Nobody trully has the full picture and not all of them knows Priestella's inner workings from top to bottom.

Addition: A salient feature of Light Novels is that they will repeat things that were said in a volume published months earlier. This could be salvaged more smartly by the anime adaptation tho.

Whatever Garfiel, a 14 year old simpleton (for the most part) says as a repetition is totally organic. He's also highly emotional after Mimi's injury and thoughts that Subaru has died. Imagine the show trying to tell that to us separately again so that 4 more minutes pass by.

Also, Garfiel doesn't control the group. Anastasia saying they got to do it has far more weight than him saying it.

Most of your complaints seem to be hanging around audience knowing/predicting (or, sometimes, getting spoiled) stuff but the characters in-show follow a natural course of actions. Regarding that, at most I can agree that there could be an efficient way to both make the conversation realistic and catering to certain impatient audience at the same time. My condolences for you not getting it.

You are so full of yourself that you don't even deserve anyone's time here. Even funnier that you have to go through my profile.

You couldn't even write something that actually qualifies as a candid criticism. Forget about understanding writing, you can't process information properly in the first place. When probed gently, all you did was go into a shell and bring out your latent uncivil nature. If you want an echo chamber, be more open with it. Talk to your waifu pillow if you want no replies. Or just talk to the huge egoistic failure you see in the mirror.

Shallow people like you are infesting all the forums these days, unfortunately. Should have understood it immediately when it's one of those generic "does this get better" threads, just subtle.

A shame that I tried to understand your problem too...

@Laplace_kun Literally what are you talking about? I provided you with what was basically a transcript of one of the worst scenes with criticisms of almost every line.

Season 3 is horrendous. I'm sorry you can't understand that—the Garfiel fight animated by Vincent Chansard was amazing, but then right after that we have a return to Reinhard's dad. And Reinhard's dad is so atrociously written, his hate of Reinhard is so forced, and nonsensical, and contrived, and frankly cartoonish that it's exhausting to watch. None of his problems with Reinhard make any sense. That's not inherently a problem: irrational hatred born from insecurity and powerlessness can be very compelling, especially when it's directed towards family. But when the character is written this incompetently it cannot be taken seriously. It's just superficial.

And if what I've said before isn't genuine enough criticism:

Just because a writer means to write a certain way does not automatically mean that the end result is a successful reflection of that. Reinhard's dad was intended to be an emotionally immature and insecure man who blames his own powerlessness on his child, but the end result, because of how contrived and cartoonish his dialogue is, is that he's just... lame and unbelievable. Regulus was intended to be similarly insecure, but also entitled and arrogant; powerful but indulgent. His dialogue was dripping with cringe shonen vibes, though, and the constant repetition just made him boring and annoying. His delusions reflect much of current online spaces: statements so wrong that they infuriate those with sense who hear them. His constant assertions that he's being hard-done by. They're supposed to be INFURIATING. But they're not, because they're so absurdly generic and so over-drawn that it's just boring to listen to.

Let's not talk about how inane the excuses to get Reinhard out of the fight was. The scene in the tavern, just an example of how Reinhard's dad's character is cartoonishly lame. Him being thrown to the moon? I admit, I thought it was an insanely cool line that made me laugh—it was kinda cringe but in a good way, because that's how Reinhard is. But in context, I was also laughing because of how ridiculous it was. Re:Zero does NOT know how to deal with an unbeatable character—look at how Gojo acted in S2 of JJK. I won't spoil it for you, but that is a perfect example of what to do. Or, like OPM, just don't have him show up.


Ultimately you didn't "try to understand" anything anyway lol, every response of yours was: "But it's SUPPOSED to be that way! You just don't get it," reeking of passive aggressiveness. From your very first reply. Honestly mate you talk like Regulus, apologies for not matching the pettiness I guess?

P.S. The thread wasn't even originally for discussion of the first 8 episodes, I don't like them and that is that. I'm perfectly open to changing my opinion but that definitely isn't going to happen when A: your replies are incredibly undetailed and just amount to me supposedly not understanding anything, and B: I watched them myself. You're not me, so why would how much you enjoyed it effect how much I enjoyed it?

I only wanted to know if I should continue, and based on the replies, I have continued.

@DemonChicken123



That wasn't hardly every line, and I explained what's going on anyway. It was far from criticism, you just mentioned what is irking you. REACTING TO THINGS IS NOT CRITICISM, IT ISN'T EVEN AN OPINION. It was I who had to filtered out any sense of actual flaws, found the origins of said flaws and suggesed how it could have been improved. I would have even went to details about said flaws, but your demeanor steered this to a direction where I'll instead enjoy some clown yapping.


Are you fr with that statement? What I am supposed to understand here? I already understood your poor lonely self trying to build an echo chamber here.


Are we talking about part 1 or not? Or are you just grasping for straws with lack of legitimate counterpoints?


Are you talking about the author or the anime writers here? There's nothing genuine about your vague (self-proclaimed) criticism. It's taking my all to find order in your chaotic ramblings. It's so... meta in statements like this and so little connected to actual content that it amounts to sophistry. And of course you consider yourself like an arbiter of sorts, so you decide what is successful or not without any working knowledge or display of intellectual capacity (the red flag was already there when I saw a statement like "Is it worth continuing?" in the first post).


Reinhard's dad has been done dirty by the anime. That's one of S3 faults. Also contrived and cartoonish don't mesh together. Just don't use alliterations when you have no proper or honest opinions to give. Makes Gluttony's lines look Shakespeare class.



But you are infuriated. And that's why you keep mentioning him. And use CAPS most of the times when it's about him. But then again you say they are not infuriating. Also created a word salad here to narrowly avoid admitting it. Looks like you awakened your own Regulus?


Again, another failure of the anime adaptation to show that Reinhard wasn't gaining anything on fighting Regulus by himself. But anyway you are vague in this statement regarding context show I won't waste more words.


Read these two sentences and try to decipher who you want to address in the second one. FFS I am not supposed to spoonfeed you. This is how you expect epic literature to be I guess...


I watched (and read) all of those, and it doesn't fit here. Regulus IS powerful. The momentum he applies on a target is perfectly conserved all the way, and Reinhard got yeeted for not judging better. And before that he found he was a bad match for mitigating Sirius' damage. The examples you show can't be worse or by-the-numbers.


That's basically you. The one declaring Re:Zero is (was?) a masterpiece and S3 is terrible. And that I (or anybody else) am (is) wrong if I (we) didn't think it, while I never said anything about S3 quality overall. Your insecurities are too conspicuous, all it needed was a sensible inspection.




Nice try, but said "Regulus" will just get further apparent as you yap more in your next replies, until he becomes the most relatable character in the cast. I'll applaud your achievement.



But you named it Attack Arc anyway. Go find help, I never thought that we were supposed to be here to help with your mental diagnosis mate!

@Laplace_kun

Yes, I said Attack Arc was bad and asked if I should I watch the rest. It's called Attack arc was horrendous, should I continue? because I watched Attack arc and wanted to know if I should continue. Then I watched the rest (just finished), which is why I mentioned the Garfiel fight. So glad I could help!



Garfiel fight happened in part 2, I hope that helps!



But you're clueless! So glad I could help.



No, the criticism I wrote after is criticism! Glad I could help! Those lines were the lines you specifically asked for! So glad I could help.



Oh those sentences are placed within a paragraph with a clear subject! So glad I could help.



Caps is used for emphasis. I keep mentioning him because he's written badly, and we're talking about what is written badly. Usually when you talk about a topic you have to actually say things about that topic. So glad I could help~!


Also AHAHAHAHAH your initial comment "I can't relate to media obssesion" my guy according to someone in another thread you're one of the few die-hard and famously toxic Re:Zero fans, these jokes write themselves.

@DemonChicken123

Damn, this got "Superiority Complex" written all over it. Just take the L, li'l bro, you're embarrasing everyone at this point. Continuing this even further would be just a waste of time, it's clear as day you have no intention of actually debating here. Don't be expecting another reply from me, you're not getting it. You can check my profile too if you want, but let's be real, you'd already do that anyway.

@DemonChicken123

Lmao you are the one calling Re:Zero a masterpiece. You are the one who went out to say you can't bear it's "deterioration" like an yandere. I don't give a flying fu©k if some unknown person or your own schizophrenia concocts me as a "die-hard Re:Zero fan". Just look at yourself in your own screen.

You basically keep decoherently reacting to scattered events and go "bad writing brrrr" when cornered. Where have you studied, TV Tropes University? If a fish is cooked but still served raw, you are the type to say that the fish species isn't edible for humans.

Go ahead and embarass yourself, it's your thread anyway. Tho, I doubt you have any shame at this point. But it's fine, as it becomes more and more clear that this post is about stroking your ego rather than delving remotely into any form of constructive criticism.

Also good work with the repetitive "glad I could help", you can make an Archbishop blush at this point.

@Alex_Magnus i see people complain about how defensive re:zero fans are when it comes to the series, but it's no fucking wonder we're defensive, we have to deal with people like this guy on a daily basis. re:zero fans don't take criticism well because the criticism is always the most moronic dogshit imaginable, resulting from the critic literally just not understanding things or not paying attention. i mean there are still posts on subaru being a whiny pussy daily on the subreddit. and like you said, people who criticize re:zero NEVER actually want to engage in a decent argument, they'll never concede a single point and never learn anything, they just keep doubling down on their misunderstandings and idiocy. it should be no wonder that whenever we see crap like this for the 50th time we just call them a dumbass and tell them to fuck off

Second half of the season is more of the same, with some, few, good moments.

The next arc should be completely different and closer to had we had in older seasons, unless White Fox completely misses the mark.

@mohamedo_abuduru Literally none of my criticism has to do with Subaru's character, his character is amazing. The dialogue is DOG in this season, it's that simple. If you don't agree you're an idiot, there's no misunderstanding there. You just clearly have absolutely no, ziltch, zero sense of what even half-decent dialogue sounds like. You enjoy complex shows because they make you feel smart, even though most of it goes over your head and their actual qualities are completely lost on you.That goes for all three of the delusional hardcore re:zero fans in this post. I never even indicated I wanted to discuss whether or not the first half of S3 was bad—of course my opinion won't change, I believe it firmly and it comes from my expectations and experience. It is in spite of my love for the show, not because of any petty hating of it. Of course my opinion won't change when not only has every single counterpoint just been "You don't get it" (I have an honours degree in literature. I'm not exactly Einstein but I think I can figure out what dialogue is supposed to mean), but there has been not a single comprehensible defense of the dialogue. "It's supposed to be like that" —no, it isn't. Earlier seasons weren't like this. I understand the show. That is why I am frustrated and disappointed with this season. Part 2 as well as Part 1 now that I finished watching, but originally part 1.

You want critics to engage you in discussion? Even those that make stupid arguments like "Subaru is whiny and awful"? Maybe don't act like the condescending blockheaded freaks that you accuse the haters of being. You might think you're trying to spawn discussion but it comes off as the pettiest, most passive aggressive weeb-slop imaginable. Make no mistake, you are just as much of the problem as those who simply cannot understand Subaru are.

@DemonChicken123 the thing about subaru's character was just an example of the slop re:zero fans have been dealing with since 2016, it wasn't about you. i'm beginning to wonder if this thread is actually just simple ragebait, because of how nonsensical it is, but i'll bite. to claim that all the re:zero defenders in this thread are idiots, have zero idea what good dialogue is, and enjoy complex shows because they make us feel smart despite it all going over our head is quite bold, and it's a wonder you expect civil debate at all with lines like that, let alone the rest of your passive-aggressive responses to every smidge of criticism, but i won't judge. regardless, i'm going to restate what others in this thread have already said. you just don't understand.
exhibit 1 is your comments on regulus, which are entirely inaccurate. i don't know what you were watching, but "basically every line out of his mouth is "I don't have time for this,"" shows that it wasn't re:zero.
exhibit 2 is your whole paragraph "Just because a writer means to write a certain way ... they're so absurdly generic and so over-drawn that it's just boring to listen to" which, as the other guy said, is just a bunch of hollow word salad, there's no real criticism there, you basically just didn't like it (that describes basically everything you're saying actually).
exhibit 3 is your line "Re:Zero does NOT know how to deal with an unbeatable character" which is blatantly untrue, as we saw that Reinhard was unable to defeat Sirius or Regulus for reasons you would probably call "contrived" despite the actual reason obviously being that you simply didn't like it and want to find some term you can use to sound smart and objective.
exhibit 4 is your complete disregard for every actual bit of constructive feedback in this thread, which i'll list here for your convenience.




unsurprisingly you literally just ignored every single one of these, because you just want to get angry i guess, good for you. i'm sure there would be more actually helpful comments as well if every response of yours didn't immediately devolve into an embarassing display of your insecurities. unfortunate.
anyway, i don't know what's up with your dialogue fetish and why this season is annoying you so much in that regard compared to previous seasons (I assure you, this season is not much different than season 2 at least in its dialogue) but what your comments amount to are basically a hysterical mental breakdown getting progressively worse every time someone calls you out on your bullshit. you found the dialogue to be too repetitive and not to your general liking, and that was pretty much all you had, and every time someone gave actually reasonable responses (what do you know, like i said, the only good criticisms came from the fans themselves) you ignored it, instead just responding with insults.
i don't even think re:zero dialogue is particularly good, but it's not really bad, funnily enough i would argue it has a similar "problem" (at least one by your definition) to monogatari, where araragi is often a slow ass motherfucker, things get repeated over and over (i'm curious what your "objective" justification for monogatari's borderline duplicate lines in the novels are). i'm sure you were just thinking of ignoring large parts of my argument to instead call me out for "saying re:zero's dialogue is on the same level as monogatari's" which i did not actually say, and i do not believe, and then using that as an excuse to insult my media literacy again or something, but maybe i'm wrong :)
my friend i truly could not care less about your honors degree in literature, because as this thread has shown, you're borderline illiterate in your ability to hold a decent conversation, or learn at all.

Part 2 does have a different vibe from part 1, but it's also a different vibe from first 2 seasons, and i'm guessing s4 will be different again, i guess that's just how Re:zero developes it's story giving each arc it's own unique tone

If you really like the characters i'd recommend sticking with the series even if some arcs feel a bit meh, some arcs were hit or miss for me too, but i def don't regret sitting thru them

@DigiCat I did stick with it! Part 2 definitely had more enjoyable scenes. Capella was entertaining, and it was fun to see Priscilla's abilities. Garfiel fight was honestly incredible, and the final scene with Julius did reignite my excitement. People are saying Season 4 is going to be great, so here's hoping...

@mohamedo_abuduru Because nothing here is anything resembling constructive feedback. The earlier seasons did not have a problem with repetition of pointless dialogue. Even if it did, repeating plot points that happened one or two episodes would not be an example of that feature of Light Novels being adapted: in the LN, they would be plot points that take place in different chapters, not volumes. It is not organic for Garfiel to repeat the same lines over and over. The other two admissions were sandwiched between much more pressing takes

If you think the contrived and expository dialogue in Re:Zero is comparable to the circular dialogue in Monogatari then I was right. You clearly just have no idea what you're talking about. Especially because you can't even notice how this season is different to Season 2, there's no real quality you notice in any work, rather it's its own sense or whether or not you should enjoy it. Reality, your justification, or whatever reason it is you decide you like a show, is just fabricated in your head.

But hey, the problem is way worse than that. Why am I not surprised to come across that you're familiar and supportive of some absolutely delusional waste of oxygen that "debunks" negative reviews on Re:Zero by harassing people? An utterly pathetic endeavour, and your entitlement in your comment having supported this is utterly shameless. You don't love this show, you don't even like it. If it meant anything to you then you wouldn't be so reprehensible about it, nor would you be so blind, like some kind of yapping dog. Nor would you endorse harassment of others in the community.

No matter how much shit you spout it remains that you're a duck-brained troglodyte defending a show to the point that it borders on delusion, spouting garbage in such quantities that you probably believe it might change reality. "Helpful" and "constructive"—there is no problem here to help or to fix. I think the dialogue is bad. Yet you continue to operate under the delusion that this is merely a misunderstanding, that you can somehow fix it.

Forget whether or not you think I'm an idiot. Forget whether or not you agree or disagree with me. The fact that you cannot grasp that you're talking to someone who has a secure belief in their opinion is boggling, or that my criticism comes from a place of love for the show. It is not mindless hate.

I do not like you. I think you are wrong. I think you have no taste, and do not have any understanding through which to assert that the dialogue is good. The two examples you cited where I was "helped" are just wrong. I think you are pathetic—anyone who subscribes the kind of harassment I mentioned above is FAR more insecure than someone who passionately believes that something is bad.

EDIT: Great to know I was right, given that you just tagged your boyfriend. Allow me to elaborate then: you are a stain on the anime community itself.

@DemonChicken123
then what is constructive feedback in yours eyes?
i forgot this in my original comment, but do you have any actual examples of repeated dialogue other than the episode 7 one you posted? it's been a while since i watched season 1 or 2 but i seriously don't think they're significantly better than season 3 at adapting dialogue. season 1 arguably is, but it's also way better directed in every way, and it's far faster, so more dialogue is cut, but simply cutting out a few lines doesn't fix the "issue" you're trying to point out, which is that what's being said itself is basically all "poorly written."
i'm not sure why this is so hard for you to understand, but the repeated plot points thing in light novels can be PART of an issue with the dialogue in the anime, and as i've already said, i don't think re:zero's dialogue is its strongest feature, but them talking about wrath's ability for example would be explained by this.why.
wow you actually took the bait lmao. unsurprisingly, you mention no actual justification, instead insulting me.
the sheer arrogance of this comment is almost admirable, but i would be repeating myself if i responded. please stop projecting your insecurities on me. i'm not sure why you have this perception that everyone who disagrees with you has no idea how to appreciate good writing, but i would like to mention that you have still not really shown a particularly high level of media literacy whatsoever. the incessant insults generally aren't a good sign of that.
lmao okeanix's "harassment" should not bother anyone who isn't absurdly sensitive. i don't really support him but he's at least fun to watch.
again, the extent to which you're putting on this judge persona is hilarious. now you're not only deciding if i appreciate my favorite shows for the write reasons, you're deciding whether or not i actually like them at all. get help, seriously.
you are the one who created an entire thread just to complain and stoke your ego by insulting everyone trying to respond.
again, i don't know how many times this has to be repeated, but me and @Laplace_kun have both conceded faults with the show, i have more criticisms of re:zero than you can probably even imagine, especially since your dialogue fetish seems to be by and large the only metric you have for whether the show is good or not. for perhaps the third time, the best re:zero criticism always comes from the fans themselves. and i will not be considering you one, just like you apparently don't consider me one.
i am still quite baffled as to why you made this thread in the first place. you made a thread on the re:zero board asking whether or not you should watch the second half of s3, because you thought the first half sucked. well obviously everyone is going to try to explain why the first half was good, it's the fucking re:zero board. if you wanted a simple answer, it's yes, everyone is going to tell you yes, keep watching. that, or they'll tell you to fuck off after realizing that how awful your personality is. i don't know what you were expecting. on top of that, laplace gave multiple responses telling you that the novels are better. half the time we aren't even trying to convince you the dialogue is actually good, he told you the novels fixed many issues you have, and like i said, you just ignored him, because apparently you just want all the smoke.
i mean i just have no words honestly, this has to be one of the top interactions i've had on this site. i fucking love mal holy shit.
jesus christ bro, i don't know why you cannot comprehend this, but i literally said i don't think re:zero's dialogue is that good.
i think you have some serious issues my guy.

@mohamedo_abuduru bro here is larping as a neuro-oncologist rn, so you have the license to go full Matthew 7:6 mode on them or just enjoy the clownery more XD.

i'm glad i'm not the only one who hated the first 8 episodes. i made a post about it while they were airing and everybody (even those who said they weren't enjoying it) seemed almost in denial of how boring it actually was. all of my friends say that this season has been peak so i thought i was delusional.

Why do ppl watch share and comment on things they don’t like. It’s like y’all love crying.

I thought the 3 episode rule was stupid, only to find on you clowns who watch a whole season, complain, then go back for more lmaoo. Brain dead

i'm glad i'm not the only one who hated the first 8 episodes. i made a post about it while they were airing and everybody (even those who said they weren't enjoying it) seemed almost in denial of how boring it actually was. all of my friends say that this season has been peak so i thought i was delusional.