| 1. This is a SoL romance supernatural mystery, don't act as if the mystery and supernatural elements aren't important to the plot like some people do with Clannad and then complain about the ending, some is spelled out while other things are more subtle like Alka Tale's lyrics. 2. Visual Novel adaptation, each route is structurally similar but also very different and the true routes [second half most likely] are completely different to the heroine's so much like Clannad compared to After Story some people will find the first half boring [I completely disagree with that in Clannad and this but some people have opinions that aren't good but they're entitled to them I guess] so don't just drop it because you don't like one arc. 3. This is Key but not Jun Maeda [he did the true ED and some OSTs], main writers are Nijima Yu [Known for the Visual Novel Hatsyuki Sakura which has a lot of Key like elements] and Kai [Who has written for Key games for routes in AIR, CLANNAD, Angel Beast! 1st Beat etc.] so blame them for making you cry here. 4. Game is from 2018 but also seems they are adding some extra stuff from the 2020 version [Reflection Blue] so if you played the steam version it's most likely this ending has some stuff added and Shiki is added as well 5. Some people consider the VN to be weak by Key standards others think it's great, personally it's the best thing I've read since Clannad and is my 2nd favourite VN and Key work so as long as this is good it has a chance at my 2nd favourite anime. So this is almost a must watch for me personally |
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| Man, I'm honestly confused by this whole current situation with Key and Maeda. People regularly criticize Maeda's current writing, to the point of forcing him to "leaving internet" multiple times, but every time Key releases content without him, they complain that it's "lacking Maeda and pretty weak by brand standards." Sure, I can understand people being annoyed by Heavens Burn Read for its drastic change in format and target audience (although it's basically a gatcha version of Little Busters with a lesbian Tomoya), or not liking his last original anime (even though I personally liked it, yes), but why are people so upset that he doesn't touch Key's new works? As for the adaptation itself... weren't all of Key's works has magical realism? Well, maybe except for Rewrite with its weird second part of the story. And didn't all of Key's adaptations include add-ons to the original games in one way or another? Some as OVAs, yes, but still. Also, if my memory serves me right, Maeda was the author of the idea and the supervisor of this game at the very least. |
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KanekoKTIA said: 1. This is a SoL romance supernatural mystery, don't act as if the mystery and supernatural elements aren't important to the plot like some people do with Clannad and then complain about the ending, some is spelled out while other things are more subtle like Alka Tale's lyrics. 2. Visual Novel adaptation, each route is structurally similar but also very different and the true routes [second half most likely] are completely different to the heroine's so much like Clannad compared to After Story some people will find the first half boring [I completely disagree with that in Clannad and this but some people have opinions that aren't good but they're entitled to them I guess] so don't just drop it because you don't like one arc. 3. This is Key but not Jun Maeda [he did the true ED and some OSTs], main writers are Nijima Yu [Known for the Visual Novel Hatsyuki Sakura which has a lot of Key like elements] and Kai [Who has written for Key games for routes in AIR, CLANNAD, Angel Beast! 1st Beat etc.] so blame them for making you cry here. 4. Game is from 2018 but also seems they are adding some extra stuff from the 2020 version [Reflection Blue] so if you played the steam version it's most likely this ending has some stuff added and Shiki is added as well 5. Some people consider the VN to be weak by Key standards others think it's great, personally it's the best thing I've read since Clannad and is my 2nd favourite VN and Key work so as long as this is good it has a chance at my 2nd favourite anime. So this is almost a must watch for me personally Especially on point 5 I'm shocked by how elitist a lot of our fellow VN boomers are lol... Summer Pockets was IMMEASURABLY better than most of the OG KEY works imo 😂 people gotta take off the nostalgia glasses |
Shamsy said: KanekoKTIA said: 1. This is a SoL romance supernatural mystery, don't act as if the mystery and supernatural elements aren't important to the plot like some people do with Clannad and then complain about the ending, some is spelled out while other things are more subtle like Alka Tale's lyrics. 2. Visual Novel adaptation, each route is structurally similar but also very different and the true routes [second half most likely] are completely different to the heroine's so much like Clannad compared to After Story some people will find the first half boring [I completely disagree with that in Clannad and this but some people have opinions that aren't good but they're entitled to them I guess] so don't just drop it because you don't like one arc. 3. This is Key but not Jun Maeda [he did the true ED and some OSTs], main writers are Nijima Yu [Known for the Visual Novel Hatsyuki Sakura which has a lot of Key like elements] and Kai [Who has written for Key games for routes in AIR, CLANNAD, Angel Beast! 1st Beat etc.] so blame them for making you cry here. 4. Game is from 2018 but also seems they are adding some extra stuff from the 2020 version [Reflection Blue] so if you played the steam version it's most likely this ending has some stuff added and Shiki is added as well 5. Some people consider the VN to be weak by Key standards others think it's great, personally it's the best thing I've read since Clannad and is my 2nd favourite VN and Key work so as long as this is good it has a chance at my 2nd favourite anime. So this is almost a must watch for me personally Especially on point 5 I'm shocked by how elitist a lot of our fellow VN boomers are lol... Summer Pockets was IMMEASURABLY better than most of the OG KEY works imo 😂 people gotta take off the nostalgia glasses I think it's definitely better than Kanon but I could understand liking AIR more if you like Utsuge more than Nakige or if you prefer the friendship theme in LB. But yeah to call this even close to bad is just not true and I don't understand how someone could connect with After Story and then say Alka and Pocket are bad |
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RobertBobert said: Man, I'm honestly confused by this whole current situation with Key and Maeda. People regularly criticize Maeda's current writing, to the point of forcing him to "leaving internet" multiple times, but every time Key releases content without him, they complain that it's "lacking Maeda and pretty weak by brand standards." Sure, I can understand people being annoyed by Heavens Burn Read for its drastic change in format and target audience (although it's basically a gatcha version of Little Busters with a lesbian Tomoya), or not liking his last original anime (even though I personally liked it, yes), but why are people so upset that he doesn't touch Key's new works? As for the adaptation itself... weren't all of Key's works has magical realism? Well, maybe except for Rewrite with its weird second part of the story. And didn't all of Key's adaptations include add-ons to the original games in one way or another? Some as OVAs, yes, but still. Also, if my memory serves me right, Maeda was the author of the idea and the supervisor of this game at the very least. People just see Key and immediately assume Maeda is involved in the writing (and yes he did do the concept but didn't want to write due to not wanting it to be too similar to AIR cause they are thematically similar in setting and true route, not sure about checking over it but I know he did for Rewrite) even if they don't like his writing which while he is one of the first and probably the most important example of a Nakige writer he is not the only one who writes in this style, like Nijima Yu and Hatsuyuki Sakura. I honestly have never understood any of the dislike towards any of his works, I can kind of understand HBR to an extent but that's it The Day I Became A God to me was great and I'd say a fair bit better than Charlotte (which I can kind of see the criticism and is the one work of his I didn't cry at but I can understand why it ended like that with ep limitations and I still think it's great). I think a vocal minority of Key fans seem to hate something for a while then love it later, this happened with both Rewrite and SP when most actual fans usually like all their works (otherwise SP and Rewrite wouldn't be some of the highest rated VNs on vndb) so I wouldn't be shocked if something similar happens with The Day I Became A God and that point of HBR's story Kanon (2006) had major changes due to the game routes being entirely separate which worked out really well, AIR just had romance cut and shortened the heroine routes (and Misuzu was added in some scenes) to focus on the true route which made Tohno's route specifically weaker but the 2nd half was almost a perfect adaption (including In the Summer), Clannad was both of those previous approaches combined which resulted in ok-really good heroine route adaptions and 2 good OVA's that also were just shortened versions of the game routes and cut a character+route that wasn't that good anyway while the true route was almost the exact same (some scenes cut with his dad) as the game but with animation and voice acting from Tomoya. Rewrite was a mystery fantasy with more traditional RPG concepts, the anime is a bad adaptation that removes the mystery from the 1st half - Game is like if you combine Key, Fate/, Utsuge, Climate change and a military thriller after playing through a normal school comedy for 20 hours in the common route. Key always has had magical realism (aside from Rewrite and most of the Kinect Novels) but some people complain about stuff like Clannad's ending being a rug pull when the illusionary world and the orbs were explained to them multiple times so I just really do not want people to feel the need to make a half an hour long video re-explaining stuff that is explicitly stated/shown so people understand the ending. The added stuff from Reflection Blue makes the ending clearer and Shiki is needed for it so her existence here implies it's that ending, the other ending was a lot more ambiguous. The only time an ending has been altered like that in a key anime was Rewrite which had the anime ending get added to Rewrite+ which is mostly the same as the original VN besides the end and Kanon which was more of an epilogue of Ayu's ending. |
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KanekoKTIA said:
1. This is a SoL romance supernatural mystery, don't act as if the mystery and supernatural elements aren't important to the plot like some people do with Clannad and then complain about the ending, some is spelled out while other things are more subtle like Alka Tale's lyrics.
2. Visual Novel adaptation, each route is structurally similar but also very different and the true routes [second half most likely] are completely different to the heroine's so much like Clannad compared to After Story some people will find the first half boring [I completely disagree with that in Clannad and this but some people have opinions that aren't good but they're entitled to them I guess] so don't just drop it because you don't like one arc.
3. This is Key but not Jun Maeda [he did the true ED and some OSTs], main writers are Nijima Yu [Known for the Visual Novel Hatsyuki Sakura which has a lot of Key like elements] and Kai [Who has written for Key games for routes in AIR, CLANNAD, Angel Beast! 1st Beat etc.] so blame them for making you cry here.
4. Game is from 2018 but also seems they are adding some extra stuff from the 2020 version [Reflection Blue] so if you played the steam version it's most likely this ending has some stuff added and Shiki is added as well
5. Some people consider the VN to be weak by Key standards others think it's great, personally it's the best thing I've read since Clannad and is my 2nd favourite VN and Key work so as long as this is good it has a chance at my 2nd favourite anime. So this is almost a must watch for me personally
1. This is a SoL romance supernatural mystery, don't act as if the mystery and supernatural elements aren't important to the plot like some people do with Clannad and then complain about the ending, some is spelled out while other things are more subtle like Alka Tale's lyrics.
2. Visual Novel adaptation, each route is structurally similar but also very different and the true routes [second half most likely] are completely different to the heroine's so much like Clannad compared to After Story some people will find the first half boring [I completely disagree with that in Clannad and this but some people have opinions that aren't good but they're entitled to them I guess] so don't just drop it because you don't like one arc.
3. This is Key but not Jun Maeda [he did the true ED and some OSTs], main writers are Nijima Yu [Known for the Visual Novel Hatsyuki Sakura which has a lot of Key like elements] and Kai [Who has written for Key games for routes in AIR, CLANNAD, Angel Beast! 1st Beat etc.] so blame them for making you cry here.
4. Game is from 2018 but also seems they are adding some extra stuff from the 2020 version [Reflection Blue] so if you played the steam version it's most likely this ending has some stuff added and Shiki is added as well
5. Some people consider the VN to be weak by Key standards others think it's great, personally it's the best thing I've read since Clannad and is my 2nd favourite VN and Key work so as long as this is good it has a chance at my 2nd favourite anime. So this is almost a must watch for me personally
Especially on point 5 I'm shocked by how elitist a lot of our fellow VN boomers are lol... Summer Pockets was IMMEASURABLY better than most of the OG KEY works imo 😂 people gotta take off the nostalgia glasses
| @Shamsy Being an edgy hot taker who makes radical statements just to piss off the boomers is no better than an elitist. It's just the opposite of stupid. @KanekoKTIA Maeda's problem, if you can call it that, is that his style is very uneven. He can write a masterpiece of magical realism that grabs your heart, and then go into silly shonen with awkward action or funny but very intrusive gay jokes. Write a very emotional and philosophical drama, and then hit you in the forehead with a very problematic implication. Create completely new genres from scratch and then try to copy the mainstream. And so on. It's very ironic to talk about this at a time when people like Takahiro are moving away from crazy yuri bait and edgy violence towards solid ecchi. He's still one of my favorite authors, though, despite his weird obsession with gay jokes and the aforementioned eyelids. Also, you said he didn't want to write the script for this one personally because it was too similar to AIR? It's actually my favorite vn of Key. |
RobertBobertApr 7, 2:25 AM
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| I'm cautiously optimistic. It's always fun getting a new vinny adaption |
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RobertBobert said: @Shamsy Being an edgy hot taker who makes radical statements just to piss off the boomers is no better than an elitist. It's just the opposite of stupid. @KanekoKTIA Maeda's problem, if you can call it that, is that his style is very uneven. He can write a masterpiece of magical realism that grabs your heart, and then go into silly shonen with awkward action or funny but very intrusive gay jokes. Write a very emotional and philosophical drama, and then hit you in the forehead with a very problematic implication. Create completely new genres from scratch and then try to copy the mainstream. And so on. It's very ironic to talk about this at a time when people like Takahiro are moving away from crazy yuri bait and edgy violence towards solid ecchi. He's still one of my favorite authors, though, despite his weird obsession with gay jokes and the aforementioned eyelids. Also, you said he didn't want to write the script for this one personally because it was too similar to AIR? It's actually my favorite vn of Key. Honestly I don't hate the gay joke thing most of the time with characters like Hinata (Angel Beats!) but it's not Maeda exclusive, one of the routes in Summer Pockets I felt had that same issue with yuri jokes but it was only that route thankfully. Minagi and Michiru are easily some of Keys best written siblings because they don't even get close to the incessant yuri/incest jokes that pop up in stuff like LB. I also think having the story hard shift from comedy to drama makes the characters feel a lot less 2 dimensional so personally I've never had any issues with that in the slightest. And yeah the true end has a lot of parallels to both Clannad and AIR while being its own thing, Tsumugi's route also reminded me of something that wouldn't be out of place in Kanon or AIR, Shiki route as well is right on that border of Utsuge and Nakige that I felt AIRs true ending was on. They both also have that summer feeling nailed, this is a bit more upbeat (at the start at least) while AIR was more melancholy and atmospheric. Even the shift from the main character to a seemingly side character (Haruka in AIRs case) happens near the end for a fair bit. |
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| I dont play VN but I love Clannad. Im so afraid of this adaption. I think I didnt see a good VN adaption in years (maybe Atri is an recent exp) |
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| Nah. Point 5 seems crazy when it's a top 50 VN according to VNDB. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
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Nah. Point 5 seems crazy when it's a top 50 VN according to VNDB.
| @LostSpectre It's 200% just a vocal minority of key 'fans' [same people that complain about Rewrite most likely], personally I think it fits right beside Clannad and Little Busters as a masterpiece |
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I dont play VN but I love Clannad.
Im so afraid of this adaption. I think I didnt see a good VN adaption in years (maybe Atri is an recent exp)
Im so afraid of this adaption. I think I didnt see a good VN adaption in years (maybe Atri is an recent exp)
| @Nayuki Only Key adaptation that has been outright bad so far was the weird pre KyoAni Clannad movie and Rewrite even 2002 Kanon had some redeeming qualities. Based on the first epsiode the fact we're only half way through the games prologue and it wasn't just glossed over makes me feel like this will be good. |
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| supernatural elements made sense in Kanon. they were a hindrance half of the time in Clannad. |
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| You know what happens when an Anime is just good? Nothing. Noone has to run defence for it, because it's just good. |
Merve2LoveApr 8, 9:09 AM
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Merve2Love said: You what happens when an Anime is just good? Nothing. Noone has to run defence for it, because it's just good. I agree and all this is fairly obvious but I thought that with a lot of similar things in Clannad that are spelled out to you and built up throughout the anime but some people still call the ending a rug pull. Also so many people saying this is a Maeda work when that's not true is slightly annoying (as much as I love Maeda's works) |
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MichaelJackson said: supernatural elements made sense in Kanon. they were a hindrance half of the time in Clannad. ? They're built up and explained as part of the world right from episode one in Clannad and throughout multiple arcs (Nagisa, Kotomi, Fuuko, any time the illusionary world appears). I love Kanon but the supernatural stuff in Kanon is nothing more than miracles happen because... well there's implications with Ayu's doll but can you actually tell me how Mai having powers actually makes sense or Ayu's existence cause I can easily tell you what Fuuko is or what the illusionary world is. Kanon is (mostly) nothing more than thematic unexplained supernatural stuff while Clannad has it from the second Nagisa enters Tomoya's life. |
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Nah. Point 5 seems crazy when it's a top 50 VN according to VNDB.
| @LostSpectre VNDB has been very hype-driven lately. Especially after they decided to add some gatcha games. @KanekoKTIA The problem isn't with the yuri jokes themselves, but rather that Maeda's writing often reads like meme dialogue in the JoJo subreddit because of it. It works in certain situations, but his level of love for this kind of humor is certainly impressive. Not to mention the people who, without any irony, try to take his VN as gay because of it. Outside of HBR, of course. It sounds too vague to say "X is like Y". Besides the fact that both VNs are melancholic summer stories. |
RobertBobertApr 10, 2:12 AM
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