| So the show canonized SSJ4, but I hate how it was built up and this includes the episode itself. In GT, SSJ4 makes sense. Goku pulled his tail out from Old Kai, transformed into a golden ape/oozaru, and then controlled the power in order to transform into SSJ4. But here, Daima Goku just got his ass kicked by some lame demon king and an elder Namekian just gave him a random power boost for no reason. Like what?!!!!! That transformation sequence didn't help with the logic at all. But people be like, "OMG Toyirama make SSJ4 canon! We always think SSJ4 was the best transformation!" No you idiots, this show failed how SSJ4 was supposed to be like. It didn't understand why SSJ4 was good in GT. GT Goku learned the importance of his family and friends and how he grew up as an Earthling with their support. Pan helped reminding him about them while being in his golden ape form. That was the reason why he was able to control his power. When Goku starts to control his power, he was able to transformed to SSJ4, thus viewers seeing the satisfaction of his powerup with the logic behind of it. And it looked cool too with how mature Goku has become. In Daima, Goku got his ass kicked as a SSJ3 and though DBZ says that it took alot of energy to use it, he failed to finish the demon off and what's worse, some Majin Buu look-a-like somehow got SSj3 as well, like WTFFFFF. AND THEY BOTH GOT THEIR ASSES KICKED TOO, WHYYYYYY????? OMG the show keeps doing this nonsense and that's doesn't include the lore. Like I say before, Goku got a powerup from the old Namekian and he suddenly kick ass before transforming back to normal and then get his ass kicked. Like, where's the tail?! Where's buildup from that??? Like I don't understand why this comes out of nowhere without some establishment of lore about SSJ4. People keep saying that Daima is the better GT, but I still think not. |
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Reply to Frankie3
Daima is made for children and dorks that will watch and like whatever they’re told too. The show has been bad since the beginning. GT started slow and boring but turned into a good show in the second half. Daima is a mess that tries to be the original Dragon Ball without understanding what made any of the other series good. It’s a typical modern show trying to use stuff that came before it to make people like it because they don’t know how to make a good product.
| @Frankie3 I knew that this show was dull but this particular episode made me angry about how it handles SSJ4 like a joke. Why ruin such a good form. Producers say that this and super cannon, but GT is canon for me |
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Frankie3 said: Daima is made for children It has been officially stated that they specifically target 30 years old men who knew GT. So that's worse. |
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HyroSan said:
So the show canonized SSJ4, but I hate how it was built up and this includes the episode itself.
In GT, SSJ4 makes sense. Goku pulled his tail out from Old Kai, transformed into a golden ape/oozaru, and then controlled the power in order to transform into SSJ4.
But here, Daima Goku just got his ass kicked by some lame demon king and an elder Namekian just gave him a random power boost for no reason. Like what?!!!!! That transformation sequence didn't help with the logic at all.
But people be like, "OMG Toyirama make SSJ4 canon! We always think SSJ4 was the best transformation!" No you idiots, this show failed how SSJ4 was supposed to be like. It didn't understand why SSJ4 was good in GT. GT Goku learned the importance of his family and friends and how he grew up as an Earthling with their support. Pan helped reminding him about them while being in his golden ape form. That was the reason why he was able to control his power. When Goku starts to control his power, he was able to transformed to SSJ4, thus viewers seeing the satisfaction of his powerup with the logic behind of it. And it looked cool too with how mature Goku has become.
In Daima, Goku got his ass kicked as a SSJ3 and though DBZ says that it took alot of energy to use it, he failed to finish the demon off and what's worse, some Majin Buu look-a-like somehow got SSj3 as well, like WTFFFFF. AND THEY BOTH GOT THEIR ASSES KICKED TOO, WHYYYYYY????? OMG the show keeps doing this nonsense and that's doesn't include the lore. Like I say before, Goku got a powerup from the old Namekian and he suddenly kick ass before transforming back to normal and then get his ass kicked. Like, where's the tail?! Where's buildup from that??? Like I don't understand why this comes out of nowhere without some establishment of lore about SSJ4.
People keep saying that Daima is the better GT, but I still think not.
So the show canonized SSJ4, but I hate how it was built up and this includes the episode itself.
In GT, SSJ4 makes sense. Goku pulled his tail out from Old Kai, transformed into a golden ape/oozaru, and then controlled the power in order to transform into SSJ4.
But here, Daima Goku just got his ass kicked by some lame demon king and an elder Namekian just gave him a random power boost for no reason. Like what?!!!!! That transformation sequence didn't help with the logic at all.
But people be like, "OMG Toyirama make SSJ4 canon! We always think SSJ4 was the best transformation!" No you idiots, this show failed how SSJ4 was supposed to be like. It didn't understand why SSJ4 was good in GT. GT Goku learned the importance of his family and friends and how he grew up as an Earthling with their support. Pan helped reminding him about them while being in his golden ape form. That was the reason why he was able to control his power. When Goku starts to control his power, he was able to transformed to SSJ4, thus viewers seeing the satisfaction of his powerup with the logic behind of it. And it looked cool too with how mature Goku has become.
In Daima, Goku got his ass kicked as a SSJ3 and though DBZ says that it took alot of energy to use it, he failed to finish the demon off and what's worse, some Majin Buu look-a-like somehow got SSj3 as well, like WTFFFFF. AND THEY BOTH GOT THEIR ASSES KICKED TOO, WHYYYYYY????? OMG the show keeps doing this nonsense and that's doesn't include the lore. Like I say before, Goku got a powerup from the old Namekian and he suddenly kick ass before transforming back to normal and then get his ass kicked. Like, where's the tail?! Where's buildup from that??? Like I don't understand why this comes out of nowhere without some establishment of lore about SSJ4.
People keep saying that Daima is the better GT, but I still think not.
You're ranting because you don't find it logic, but you're starting from the wrong point. Who told you that this trasformation is Super Saiyan 4? You're assuming it with little evidences but nobody explained what it is. Wait till they reveal the name of the transformation, there are high chances it will not be Super Saiyan 4.
@Irshiki from all the official sources its super saiyan 4, and it is unlikely to be named on-screen in daima, just like broly's ikari form or legendary super saiyan form were never named on-screen but later through info texts |
ElfezenFeb 14, 11:54 PM
| Xeno Goku and the others don't need tails to transform to SSJ4 either, thats not an issue at all, the tail is part of the transformation just like the long hair in SSJ3 |
Elfezen said: @Irshiki from all the official sources its super saiyan 4, and it is unlikely to be named on-screen on daima, just like broly's ikari form or legendary super saiyan form were never named on-screen but later through info texts That why I'm telling to wait and be sure first, people talking about it like they're sure it's Super Saiyan 4 ... |
| Akira Toriyama should be rolling in his grave with whoever wrote this crap (I refuse to believe it's him that did it.) SSJ3 Vegeta? SSJ4 Goku? What's next? the mythical SSJ5 with Ultra Instinct included? Makes no damn sense anymore.. and I feel whoever is running has killed the Dragon Ball franchise with this episode and show overall. There is no continuity at all, everything is just fan-service with no care for what came before or after in DB history. There is no just explanation for anything. Dragon Ball is now officially dead to me after this crappy show. I had my suspicions that they might fuck it up after Toriyama passed away, but damn.. they took no time at all. |
WallenwhatsitFeb 15, 3:38 AM
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| This episode has made it clear: Daima is the Pokemon-version of Dragon Ball. What a piece of shit this episode was. Total disgrace to the legacy of the franchise. "But this is Toriyama-canon!!1", so what? Shigeru Miyamoto also eventually started making shit games. |
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Reply to RodNas92
Honestly I cant shake the feeling that Toei did something to Daima story after Toriyama died. Still I dont believe Daima is in the same canon as Super or GT, its like a multiverse and Daima is a different universe from those two
| @RodNas92 Dito. Daima feels so un-Toriyama. I think the whole "this was written by Toriyama" is a mere marketing ploy. |
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Reply to Irshiki
HyroSan said:
So the show canonized SSJ4, but I hate how it was built up and this includes the episode itself.
In GT, SSJ4 makes sense. Goku pulled his tail out from Old Kai, transformed into a golden ape/oozaru, and then controlled the power in order to transform into SSJ4.
But here, Daima Goku just got his ass kicked by some lame demon king and an elder Namekian just gave him a random power boost for no reason. Like what?!!!!! That transformation sequence didn't help with the logic at all.
But people be like, "OMG Toyirama make SSJ4 canon! We always think SSJ4 was the best transformation!" No you idiots, this show failed how SSJ4 was supposed to be like. It didn't understand why SSJ4 was good in GT. GT Goku learned the importance of his family and friends and how he grew up as an Earthling with their support. Pan helped reminding him about them while being in his golden ape form. That was the reason why he was able to control his power. When Goku starts to control his power, he was able to transformed to SSJ4, thus viewers seeing the satisfaction of his powerup with the logic behind of it. And it looked cool too with how mature Goku has become.
In Daima, Goku got his ass kicked as a SSJ3 and though DBZ says that it took alot of energy to use it, he failed to finish the demon off and what's worse, some Majin Buu look-a-like somehow got SSj3 as well, like WTFFFFF. AND THEY BOTH GOT THEIR ASSES KICKED TOO, WHYYYYYY????? OMG the show keeps doing this nonsense and that's doesn't include the lore. Like I say before, Goku got a powerup from the old Namekian and he suddenly kick ass before transforming back to normal and then get his ass kicked. Like, where's the tail?! Where's buildup from that??? Like I don't understand why this comes out of nowhere without some establishment of lore about SSJ4.
People keep saying that Daima is the better GT, but I still think not.
So the show canonized SSJ4, but I hate how it was built up and this includes the episode itself.
In GT, SSJ4 makes sense. Goku pulled his tail out from Old Kai, transformed into a golden ape/oozaru, and then controlled the power in order to transform into SSJ4.
But here, Daima Goku just got his ass kicked by some lame demon king and an elder Namekian just gave him a random power boost for no reason. Like what?!!!!! That transformation sequence didn't help with the logic at all.
But people be like, "OMG Toyirama make SSJ4 canon! We always think SSJ4 was the best transformation!" No you idiots, this show failed how SSJ4 was supposed to be like. It didn't understand why SSJ4 was good in GT. GT Goku learned the importance of his family and friends and how he grew up as an Earthling with their support. Pan helped reminding him about them while being in his golden ape form. That was the reason why he was able to control his power. When Goku starts to control his power, he was able to transformed to SSJ4, thus viewers seeing the satisfaction of his powerup with the logic behind of it. And it looked cool too with how mature Goku has become.
In Daima, Goku got his ass kicked as a SSJ3 and though DBZ says that it took alot of energy to use it, he failed to finish the demon off and what's worse, some Majin Buu look-a-like somehow got SSj3 as well, like WTFFFFF. AND THEY BOTH GOT THEIR ASSES KICKED TOO, WHYYYYYY????? OMG the show keeps doing this nonsense and that's doesn't include the lore. Like I say before, Goku got a powerup from the old Namekian and he suddenly kick ass before transforming back to normal and then get his ass kicked. Like, where's the tail?! Where's buildup from that??? Like I don't understand why this comes out of nowhere without some establishment of lore about SSJ4.
People keep saying that Daima is the better GT, but I still think not.
You're ranting because you don't find it logic, but you're starting from the wrong point. Who told you that this trasformation is Super Saiyan 4? You're assuming it with little evidences but nobody explained what it is. Wait till they reveal the name of the transformation, there are high chances it will not be Super Saiyan 4.
| @Irshiki Dude, compare these 2 SSJ4. They almost look the same, except with the hair color |
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Reply to MyllerPhiem
@RodNas92 Dito. Daima feels so un-Toriyama. I think the whole "this was written by Toriyama" is a mere marketing ploy.
| @MyllerPhiem Wait for Sparking Zero to include this BS |
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HyroSan said: @Irshiki Dude, compare these 2 SSJ4. They almost look the same, except with the hair color My point is what they represent, in GT it's the culmination of Saiyan power, here in Daima we don't know what it is, the name and the explanations will make it clear, I doubt it will be Super Saiyan 4 because it would make no sense after Super Saiyan God, Super Saiyan Blue and Ultra Instinct. |
Reply to Irshiki
HyroSan said:
@Irshiki Dude, compare these 2 SSJ4. They almost look the same, except with the hair color
@Irshiki Dude, compare these 2 SSJ4. They almost look the same, except with the hair color
My point is what they represent, in GT it's the culmination of Saiyan power, here in Daima we don't know what it is, the name and the explanations will make it clear, I doubt it will be Super Saiyan 4 because it would make no sense after Super Saiyan God, Super Saiyan Blue and Ultra Instinct.
| @Irshiki I rather have people to call this as Super Saiyan Monke (SSM) |
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Reply to TehJandro
MyllerPhiem said:
@RodNas92 Dito. Daima feels so un-Toriyama. I think the whole "this was written by Toriyama" is a mere marketing ploy.
@RodNas92 Dito. Daima feels so un-Toriyama. I think the whole "this was written by Toriyama" is a mere marketing ploy.
You can feel his influence all over the show but aight 💀
| @TehJandro That's an insult towards Toriyama. |
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Reply to HyroSan
@MyllerPhiem Wait for Sparking Zero to include this BS
| @HyroSan That's literally the only reason why this shit exists: make more money with new bs transformations. Fuck Daima. |
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Frankie3 said: Daima is made for children and dorks that will watch and like whatever they’re told too. The show has been bad since the beginning. GT started slow and boring but turned into a good show in the second half. Daima is a mess that tries to be the original Dragon Ball without understanding what made any of the other series good. It’s a typical modern show trying to use stuff that came before it to make people like it because they don’t know how to make a good product. GT never turned into a good show... |
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| Whether for the emotional or narrative factor, nothing will top the first major transformation (Super Saiyan) in the Dragon Ball canon. Others like Gohan's Super Saiyan 2 and DBGT's Super Saiyan 4 are also excellent. The canonization of elements, concepts and characters has been going on in DB for quite some time, some have been good, some have been mediocre and some have been downright bad. Such is the case with this new SSJ 4 by Daima. Empty and meaningless fan service for the plot of the anime. Furthermore, there was a lack of creativity, there were only sparkles and screams without narrative density, completely without personality. Something I would expect to find in fanfics and not in an official work. Dragon Ball has become a test for children's companies. |
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Reply to Wallenwhatsit
Akira Toriyama should be rolling in his grave with whoever wrote this crap (I refuse to believe it's him that did it.)
SSJ3 Vegeta? SSJ4 Goku? What's next? the mythical SSJ5 with Ultra Instinct included? Makes no damn sense anymore.. and I feel whoever is running has killed the Dragon Ball franchise with this episode and show overall. There is no continuity at all, everything is just fan-service with no care for what came before or after in DB history. There is no just explanation for anything.
Dragon Ball is now officially dead to me after this crappy show. I had my suspicions that they might fuck it up after Toriyama passed away, but damn.. they took no time at all.
SSJ3 Vegeta? SSJ4 Goku? What's next? the mythical SSJ5 with Ultra Instinct included? Makes no damn sense anymore.. and I feel whoever is running has killed the Dragon Ball franchise with this episode and show overall. There is no continuity at all, everything is just fan-service with no care for what came before or after in DB history. There is no just explanation for anything.
Dragon Ball is now officially dead to me after this crappy show. I had my suspicions that they might fuck it up after Toriyama passed away, but damn.. they took no time at all.
| @Wallenwhatsit Be honest with yourself, it's been going on a lot longer than this. You don't want to say anything negative about Toriyama because he's dead, but be real, he's been directly involved in everything coming out of this franchise for over a decade. Before he died, he long ago ran out of ideas for this franchise, so he now copies other peoples work or just rehashes his own. Super was trash, Daima is trash, the Broly movie LOOKED good, but it was just more copying and rehashing, Super Hero was trash and was 100% nostalgia bait rehashing all of the way through. Toriyama was involved in all of this. |
Reply to TehJandro
Disrespecting his final work before his passing sounds much more disrespectful but aight stay delulu. Real DB fans enjoy it, sorry you’re fake.
| @TehJandro "Real DB fans enjoy it" You mean fanboys. There is a difference. Fanboys gobble up anything and everything, fans will be critical when criticism is deserved. |
As much as I like Dragon Ball, good thing I decided not to watch Daima, especially after learning that Daima Goku got his SSJ4 form from yet another outta nowhere. that SSJ4 form in Daima (which I saw from some forum post) looks lame compared to GT one, what even is that kiddie SSJ4. Anyway Daima is filler thankfully, filler is completely skippable just like those Naruto filler episodes :) |
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Reply to MyllerPhiem
@TehJandro That's an insult towards Toriyama.
| @MyllerPhiem I recommend reading some of Toriyama-sensei's manga that aren't Dragon Ball if you haven't already. If you have, re-reading them can be a good idea. You'll see how many recurring themes, gags, and tropes appear in them, and how many of those made it into Daima without significantly altering the show's main vibe. It feels like a Dragon Ball anime, not a sequel to stories told in other, unrelated works like "Cowa!" or "Kajika", just with Dragon Ball characters. It's okay to dislike these elements. It's also okay to not be a fan of Toriyama's style (especially after he had more creative freedom, so if he wanted something, he could implement it without having to consider anyone else's opinion, like his editor's in example). Heck, it's totally fine to not be fond of post-DBZ anime. We all have different tastes. However, saying that Daima doesn't feel like a work created by the late Toriyama-sensei, and calling it insulting? That's not only unfair, but also far from reality. Similar comments appeared during the Super Hero movie's release. The difference was that Akira Toriyama was alive, so disgruntled viewers could vent by throwing insults at him about how his influence supposedly had a negative effect on the movie, or how "this senile hack should just leave Dragon Ball alone." After he died, probably the same fans began thrashing Toei and the latest story arc from the DBS manga for the same decisions they were extremely upset and frustrated about before. It was the same with Daima after it was announced. The vocal and childish side of this fanbase couldn't resist hating on Toriyama-sensei. After he died, they toned down their hatred, but now we see some of those people ranting about Daima for being Daima, and virtue signaling with posts accusing Daima of being far from Toriyama's style. Come on. It's okay to criticize something rationally, like that lame way of introducing the new-old Super Saiyan 4-like form; but it's not alright to just share delusions and pretend they're grounded in reality. ;p |
| hard to even be hype about with how the season has been going but what's funny is the people saying this is the best transformation now and the best part of dragon ball lol. |
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-Hermit- said:
@TehJandro "Real DB fans enjoy it"
You mean fanboys. There is a difference. Fanboys gobble up anything and everything, fans will be critical when criticism is deserved.
@TehJandro "Real DB fans enjoy it"
You mean fanboys. There is a difference. Fanboys gobble up anything and everything, fans will be critical when criticism is deserved.
Snob behavior. Its not perfect but neither was GT, Super, Z or OG DB, and they still had so much to love. Sorry you choose to be miserable instead of grateful for Toriyama’s last work and evidently the most he was involved in the anime’s production. My only complaint about Daima is that it isn’t a little longer. Slow buildup but the journey is ending with a great few last episodes.
| @TehJandro How is it snob behaviour? It's what I have seen of the past 10 years of Toriyama's work on anything DB related. He ran out of ideas, started copying other peoples work, rehashed a lot of things and got very lazy with his story telling. This is Toriyama left unchecked, without anybody stepping in to tell him why it's not very good. Toriyama's worst work in the past decade will be the thing he is remembered for the most, Dragon Ball. Which is a shame, because outside of Dragon Ball, it's been good. |
Reply to TehJandro
Disrespecting his final work before his passing sounds much more disrespectful but aight stay delulu. Real DB fans enjoy it, sorry you’re fake.
| @TehJandro Real DB-fans don't accept any shit. |
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Wallenwhatsit said: Akira Toriyama should be rolling in his grave with whoever wrote this crap (I refuse to believe it's him that did it.) SSJ3 Vegeta? SSJ4 Goku? What's next? the mythical SSJ5 with Ultra Instinct included? Makes no damn sense anymore.. and I feel whoever is running has killed the Dragon Ball franchise with this episode and show overall. There is no continuity at all, everything is just fan-service with no care for what came before or after in DB history. There is no just explanation for anything. Dragon Ball is now officially dead to me after this crappy show. I had my suspicions that they might fuck it up after Toriyama passed away, but damn.. they took no time at all. Lil bro toriyama wrote this. You mfs need to understand that the ssj4 form you like so much from GT was not written by toriyama. I everything the man has created but he does not care enough about dragonball to think that much about how forms are created. Bro is NOT rolling in his grave. |
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| I see where you are coming from, but you are taking the anime seriously when the anime itself doesn’t. It literally says in the opening sequence that Daima has plenty of weird gags, and this is one of them. Personally, i didn't find goku getting a random free power boost only to lose anyway all that humorous, but maybe the Japanese audience find it funny, idk. |
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@DreamingBeats This is a terrible, braindead take. Just because the anime is more geared towards gags doesn't mean it doesn't take itself seriously. Just look at DB - it had plenty of lighthearted moments, while also taking itself seriously in tense situations.
Also, I just love how you didn't find it funny, but because you think there's a possibility that some hypothetical Japanese audience may have found it funny, that makes it defensible. Media literacy truly is dead.
Also, I just love how you didn't find it funny, but because you think there's a possibility that some hypothetical Japanese audience may have found it funny, that makes it defensible. Media literacy truly is dead.
| @stevejawbs Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Daima are different series within the Dragon Ball franchise. You could argue that Dragon Ball was better, and I'm not going to argue with that. That's not here nor there. I was talking specifically about Daima and how the scene about Goku getting a power up only to be beaten seconds later was probably meant to be funny. Now, I personally didn't find it all that humorous, but that doesn't mean hardly anyone found it funny. Since the main target audience are Japanese speakers living in Japan, it stands to reason that the gag was made with them in mind. Different people have different sense of humor. Shocking, i know. |
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