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Jul 22, 2024 11:04 AM
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I don't want to look for it myself, so I'll ask on the forum. I completely forgot/didn't pay attention to why the Mad Mage didn't kill our heroes when they were in that realm where the spirits took them and met Delgal's grandson there? ok, the first time after defeating the red dragon we had the magic of the script and the crazy magician, instead of getting rid of the problem immediately, threw our heroes into a hole, but in the second case he didn't even try to get rid of them, he appeared a second after our team left xD then It kind of stinks of The Boys to me, where an all-powerful figure can't kill regular people because... because he does *script magic*
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Jul 22, 2024 11:15 AM
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You can't really have a show if the villain kills off the MCs the first chance they get. It's just a troupe villain that shows it all powerful and then leaves. Even if it was the perfect opportunity to get rid of the opposition. I know it doesn't make sense, but it's very common.
Jul 22, 2024 11:29 AM
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Wasn't the room supposed to crush them and they were just saved instead?
Jul 22, 2024 11:31 AM
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Wasn't the room supposed to crush them and they were just saved instead?
@WestOnAndrewAve yep the mad mage power is about controlling the dungeon so he is using the dungeon to kill them so i guess the mad mage has no direct attacks of his own
Jul 22, 2024 11:39 AM
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You can't really have a show if the villain kills off the MCs the first chance they get. It's just a troupe villain that shows it all powerful and then leaves. Even if it was the perfect opportunity to get rid of the opposition. I know it doesn't make sense, but it's very common.
@Moppit the first time I understand it but the second time he didn't even take any action, they could have made it so that people were hiding our heroes from a crazy magician or something, and it turned out that the crazy magician knew about our heroes and showed up a second after our heroes the heroes left the city and he still did nothing
Jul 22, 2024 11:42 AM
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@WestOnAndrewAve yep the mad mage power is about controlling the dungeon so he is using the dungeon to kill them so i guess the mad mage has no direct attacks of his own
@deg from what we saw he was using these little dragons made of blood? with which he attacked Marcille
Jul 22, 2024 11:45 AM
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@deg from what we saw he was using these little dragons made of blood? with which he attacked Marcille
@Ba-Cii10 i think its just hindsight bias for you there surely at that time he wanted to kill them but later on choose to crush them underneath the dungeon instead when he put them on the hole
Jul 22, 2024 12:31 PM
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@Ba-Cii10 i think its just hindsight bias for you there surely at that time he wanted to kill them but later on choose to crush them underneath the dungeon instead when he put them on the hole
@deg I accept the first time although it is a bit convenient for the script, I just don't understand the second time when they were in the city where the ghosts took them
Jul 22, 2024 8:54 PM
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I just went over the second moment in the manga few chapters ago and it can be easy to forget - he just didn't make it in time. His creatures spotted the party and alarmed him, but before he got there, the party already got sent back.
Also I think that he had to get there himself due to the fact that in that town with cursed people there is that spell that prevents any monsters from attacking the townspeople and while it doesn't work on those from the outside, the townspeople gave Laios and the rest their own stuff to put on upon arrival, so that the monsters wouldn't attack them. So I think this is why the 'magician's eyes', the spy creatures, couldn't do anything to them and could only alert Thistle.

As others mentioned already - the first time just didn't work, cuz the party got whisked away by the ghosts, so the shrinking room didn't squash them as Thistle planned.
Jul 22, 2024 10:19 PM
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Moppit said:
You can't really have a show if the villain kills off the MCs the first chance they get. It's just a troupe villain that shows it all powerful and then leaves. Even if it was the perfect opportunity to get rid of the opposition. I know it doesn't make sense, but it's very common.

Dude, did you watch the show eyes closed??
Jul 22, 2024 10:44 PM
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@Anime_Skaddiel It's not like I completely remember everything I watch. I apologize if my memory isn't as great as yours.
Jul 23, 2024 1:45 AM
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the answer why mad mage do this ? the answer is actually a spoiler for season 2.

but a clue maybe fine, the answer is the magic book and lion entity.

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Jul 23, 2024 6:13 AM

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why didnt the mad mage magic them into a hole? is he stupid?
  
Jul 23, 2024 6:44 AM

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why didnt the mad mage magic them into a hole? is he stupid?
@Hot_Vomit I don't understand what you mean xD
Jul 23, 2024 7:58 AM
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I know that your question is focused on the mage's appearance with the Yaad, but think part of the problem you may be having here is that you aren't seriously considering what the first encounter with the mage conveys about his character.

In that first encounter, it is made pretty apparent that he simply doesn't consider the party a meaningful threat to him, and even as he turns Falin into the chimera, he speaks only to the dragon. He's obsessively focused on in a singular goal and doesn't seem to consider it worth his time or effort to kill them in that moment.

Given that the mage is so clearly directing all of his attention toward finding something, his dismissive attitude toward the party makes sense to me, and it also makes sense that he would show up to the preserved Golden Country too late to encounter them.

You're also forgetting that it has become clear that some other power in the dungeon seems to be aiding Laios and his party as they venture deeper. Despite how powerful the mage is, and he is certainly extremely powerful, I don't think it would be accurate to say he is "all-powerful".
Jul 23, 2024 11:13 AM

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I know that your question is focused on the mage's appearance with the Yaad, but think part of the problem you may be having here is that you aren't seriously considering what the first encounter with the mage conveys about his character.

In that first encounter, it is made pretty apparent that he simply doesn't consider the party a meaningful threat to him, and even as he turns Falin into the chimera, he speaks only to the dragon. He's obsessively focused on in a singular goal and doesn't seem to consider it worth his time or effort to kill them in that moment.

Given that the mage is so clearly directing all of his attention toward finding something, his dismissive attitude toward the party makes sense to me, and it also makes sense that he would show up to the preserved Golden Country too late to encounter them.

You're also forgetting that it has become clear that some other power in the dungeon seems to be aiding Laios and his party as they venture deeper. Despite how powerful the mage is, and he is certainly extremely powerful, I don't think it would be accurate to say he is "all-powerful".
@mithoy I would like to point out that I watched all the episodes only once on the day of the premiere, so I really don't remember everything. Your answer makes sense and I could accept it but... I will continue to pursue this topic because why not haha.

1-I remember that the mad magician noticed Laios and was disturbed by him because he had seen him at various points in King Delgal's life, if the mad magician was so obsessively looking for Delgal, why didn't he link this disappearance to Laios and treat Laios as a clue that would help find him the king? "He's obsessively focused on one goal and it doesn't seem like it's worth his time or effort to kill them at this point" I don't think that's true since he attacked our heroes... whatever, it's not my opinion anyway problem.

2-Honestly, I don't like the fact that the Mad Mage was a second late and therefore didn't do anything to our heroes, I don't understand the point of this scene, if it wasn't there it probably wouldn't have changed anything, but this is how we got this a super happy coincidence that saves our heroes. If the magician is interested in the intruders in this golden land, it means that he is not only thinking about the search for Delgal and he should do something with Laios and the others, if not then then in the future episodes, if not himself, at least he should send some monster. Due to his inaction, the victory of Laios and the rest will be unsatisfying imo, just like in The Boys where you feel that Homelander should have ended it a long time ago xD

3-Another power of the dungeon... I know what you mean because I have spoilers from the manga but in this case this power didn't matter (from what I remember) this power helped more in other cases, the sword warned about threats and that's it, unless you mean something else. If he can control the dungeons and the action takes place in the dungeons, it seems to me that he is all-powerful there, or at least he should be since he is the ruler of it all, in this case we don't have enough information, I guess.
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@mithoy I would like to point out that I watched all the episodes only once on the day of the premiere, so I really don't remember everything. Your answer makes sense and I could accept it but... I will continue to pursue this topic because why not haha.

1-I remember that the mad magician noticed Laios and was disturbed by him because he had seen him at various points in King Delgal's life, if the mad magician was so obsessively looking for Delgal, why didn't he link this disappearance to Laios and treat Laios as a clue that would help find him the king? "He's obsessively focused on one goal and it doesn't seem like it's worth his time or effort to kill them at this point" I don't think that's true since he attacked our heroes... whatever, it's not my opinion anyway problem.

2-Honestly, I don't like the fact that the Mad Mage was a second late and therefore didn't do anything to our heroes, I don't understand the point of this scene, if it wasn't there it probably wouldn't have changed anything, but this is how we got this a super happy coincidence that saves our heroes. If the magician is interested in the intruders in this golden land, it means that he is not only thinking about the search for Delgal and he should do something with Laios and the others, if not then then in the future episodes, if not himself, at least he should send some monster. Due to his inaction, the victory of Laios and the rest will be unsatisfying imo, just like in The Boys where you feel that Homelander should have ended it a long time ago xD

3-Another power of the dungeon... I know what you mean because I have spoilers from the manga but in this case this power didn't matter (from what I remember) this power helped more in other cases, the sword warned about threats and that's it, unless you mean something else. If he can control the dungeons and the action takes place in the dungeons, it seems to me that he is all-powerful there, or at least he should be since he is the ruler of it all, in this case we don't have enough information, I guess.
@Ba-Cii10 Definitely fair to have a different takeaway from the episode, and given that I really love Dunmeshi and it could even be that I'm willing to give the writing a more charitable interpretation than a neutral party. Buuut...

1. At the risk of sounding like I'm making a lame excuse for illogical behavior resulting from poor writing, I will say that I don't think that we should expect the mage's actions to be in line with what we would expect from a rational person. Like, you could ask why someone who seems to have the goal of protecting the people the Golden Country would show such disregard for their happiness. I think he's just pursuing his obsession in an imperfect, sloppy way, and swats the part aside as an irritating but insignificant obstacle.

2. I think the scene where he arrives late primarily serves two purposes. One is to better illustrate the dynamic between the people of the Golden Country and the mage. The fear they feel, how his single-minded pursuit of their protection and preservation has become totally separate from their actual interests. The second purpose is probably to show that the mage is taking the party more seriously as a threat, and will probably more actively pursue them. Y'know, creating a sense of tension for the audience and whatnot. I can understand why you might get a read of the mage that he's just like. Incompetent or poorly written, and how that would be unsatisfying.

3. While it has definitely been shown that he can shape the dungeon, I don't think there's been anything that suggests that the changes are instantaneous or that the mage has any kind of omnipotence or omniscience within the dungeon.

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