RealNath said: Pardon my questions if I missed the details, but I'm confused rn. Is that brown dude and his wife (in the reality) the MC (Masamune) and female MC (FMC, Mutsumi)? The most confusing part to me; is Itsumi their daughter from reality (outside that town)? But then, the timeline confuses me, because she was found on the first day of the sky crack incident in the train (do those 2 adults exist just at the first day of the sky crack?). Am I the only one that feels like MC and FMC don't feel suitable as a romantic couple? I miss the part where they have a good relationship before , especially when FMC harassed MC by showing her underpants. They give me the feeling of siblings (except the panty scene obviously) who fight sometimes. His/their feels unexpected to me. And who is the girl in the end at the factory, is that Itsumi? 1. Yes it is the two of them as adults (parents). 2. Yes Itsumi is their daughter. 3. Yes that is Itsumi grown up in the end. |
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RealNath said: @Kast2 since Itsumi is their kid, how come was she in the train at the first day of the sky crack incident (was it the first day? That's what I recall). How do the adult MC and FMC suddenly exist in the first day? I honestly don't have the faintest idea what you're talking about, can you specify the correct tempo of this scene you're talking about? |
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RealNath said: @Kast2 MC's father said he worked at the first day of the sky crack thing iirc. There, he found a girl inside of a train. I still can't connect the dots with what you're saying, what does the little girl found have to do with the two adults? |
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LazyboiSenpai said: @Kast2 So I've just finished the movie. There are 2 worlds: The Reality (where time advances) and the Illusion world (where most of the movie takes place and time is stopped). The Illusion world is created when the Steel Factory explodes in the very beginning. For whatever reason, it creates an illusion world where that has yet to happen and time no longer progresses. And these worlds are separated, but for whatever reason, Itsumi (Mutsumi & Masamune's daughter) crosses over into the illusion world on the train. Now I get the idea that your question is: how does there daughter exist when the cracks first appear when Masamune & Mutsumi are children? There's a lot of mystery to this movie so I'll be relying a lot on interpretation. Just imagine that what we see in the beginning, the Factory Explosion happens in reality. Time keeps going and Masamune & Mutsumi have their kid Saki (Itsumi). She one day disappears from that summer festival they took her to. I imagine she ran away and got onto that train which goes through the tunnel and ends at the steel factory. Magic happens and somehow she ends up in the Illusion World. An important idea is that time doesn't progress in the Illusion World. So when the Steel Factory workers discover a girl on the train on the First day after the cracks first appear, we can only guess that their timelines are not connected. What was possibly Day 1 of the cracks for the Illusion World was a decade or two in Reality after the Steel Factory Explosion. Saki (Itsumi) is special. She's from reality so she ages, unlike most of the characters we see. You can tell because she was a toddler when she's found on the train and when we see her throughout the movie, she's arguably the same age as the cast. Now regarding the relationship between Masamune & Mutsumi. They've liked each other for a long time. From what I remember in the film, 5 years. But they've not acted upon their feelings, rather they've not committed and confessed to each other because time no longer moves in their Illusion World. For a long time now it seems like Mutsumi has been toying with Masamune, but has also been watching him this entire time (she notices his drawings). Masamune says he hates Mutsumi but is actually struggling with how he feels about her. He mentions how he makes her feel in the middle of the movie. It's arguably more complicated because the residents of the Illusion World have this feeling that nothing really matters because time doesn't move. At the end of the movie, a girl goes to visit the old steel factory. We know this is Saki (Itsumi) because she says this is where I had my first heartache. She's referring to the place where she spent many years of her childhood growing up, the steel factory. She met Masamune and Mutsumi there and fell in love with Masamune (yeah its weird she falls in love with her dad, but she doesn't know that he's her dad) You tagged the wrong person |
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| I've got two questions - 1. Why Itsumi had to travel through the tunnel when she was already in her reality? The original idea was the the the train in illusion world to transport her to her reality through the crack in the tunnel, but that was already achieved when she and Mutsumi went through the cracks and boarded the train. 2. Why was there an illustration by Masamune in real world? We see when grown up Itsumi travels to thr steel factory. But all the drawings by Masamune should be in illusion world. |
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Reply to whazup4341
@salarx
1. It seems like she was only partially in the real world while she was still on the train, and with her being partially in the real world the end of the tunnel actually went somewhere unlike in the illusion world. Whilst they were getting her on the train, the illusion world was being repaired and if it had repaired itself before Itsumi entered the tunnel, she would've been stuck in the Illusion world (maybe the train would've ceased to exist?) because the tunnel went no where in the illusion world.
2. Pure speculation; maybe Itsumi has some connection to the illusion world still through the steel factory & is able to see illustrations from Masamune there? Not entirely sure about this actually being the case or not.
1. It seems like she was only partially in the real world while she was still on the train, and with her being partially in the real world the end of the tunnel actually went somewhere unlike in the illusion world. Whilst they were getting her on the train, the illusion world was being repaired and if it had repaired itself before Itsumi entered the tunnel, she would've been stuck in the Illusion world (maybe the train would've ceased to exist?) because the tunnel went no where in the illusion world.
2. Pure speculation; maybe Itsumi has some connection to the illusion world still through the steel factory & is able to see illustrations from Masamune there? Not entirely sure about this actually being the case or not.
| @whazup4341 That makes sense. Just like it was shown that Mutsumi started disappearing when she went into the real world, I think it would have been better if they showed what would happen to Itsumi if she stayed in the real world without going through the tunnel, and illusion world got repaired. The other theory I have is that Mutsumi had to come back to the illusion world before it was fully repaired, and the train in real world had to enter the tunnel after the illusion world was repaired, otherwise Itsumi would travel back to illusion world because of the crack in tunnel? Not sure about this one. |
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Reply to Mertus2003
Well actually I think a lot of you misunderstand the worlds. There is 2 world actually, in the first one steel factory explodes and everyone dies. Because of that gods create an illusion world (with everyone who will stay like the day factory explode) in order to give a chance for dead citizens to live longer. And if they want to change or do not want to live any longer in this illusion world, they start to crack and sacred wolfs erase them from the illusion world.
Second world is an alternate universe and in this universe steel factory didn’t explode and everybody lived a normal life until the reform. In the film (when Atsumi saw older Mutsumi and himself in the cracks inside his house) we see that older Mutsumi and Atsumi talk about this year there will be fireworks and the stee factory train will work for the last time. Which means because of the new regulations (it can be seen as ‘’New reforms are being prepared’’ on the newspaper which Mutsumi was reading in same scene) steel factory will be shut down soon. This is also explains the last scene where Itsumi visits the factory and sees “Thank you for 140 years” posters.
If you ask why do I think like this, it’s because in Itsumi’s world steel factory was still active in the festival scene and it’s train is still working and a lot of people still live in Mifuse. However in the last scene we see that Mifuse turned to a ghost town that where the school and factory are abandoned and only a few people still live in there.
So this is what I think and I think it is more logical then thinking Itsumi’s world being future of the 1st world because if only a few poeple were died in the explosion then why gods create an illusion world for everyone. And some quesitons cannot be answered if we think 2nd world is the future of 1st world after the explosion
Second world is an alternate universe and in this universe steel factory didn’t explode and everybody lived a normal life until the reform. In the film (when Atsumi saw older Mutsumi and himself in the cracks inside his house) we see that older Mutsumi and Atsumi talk about this year there will be fireworks and the stee factory train will work for the last time. Which means because of the new regulations (it can be seen as ‘’New reforms are being prepared’’ on the newspaper which Mutsumi was reading in same scene) steel factory will be shut down soon. This is also explains the last scene where Itsumi visits the factory and sees “Thank you for 140 years” posters.
If you ask why do I think like this, it’s because in Itsumi’s world steel factory was still active in the festival scene and it’s train is still working and a lot of people still live in Mifuse. However in the last scene we see that Mifuse turned to a ghost town that where the school and factory are abandoned and only a few people still live in there.
So this is what I think and I think it is more logical then thinking Itsumi’s world being future of the 1st world because if only a few poeple were died in the explosion then why gods create an illusion world for everyone. And some quesitons cannot be answered if we think 2nd world is the future of 1st world after the explosion
Mertus2003 said: Yeah, I think this makes most sense. Though I still find it very hard to believe the explosion could kill all or most people. We're given wider shots of the town later and the town is pretty large and modern (no wooden buildings for fire to spread like it's 1600's London, lol). I thought "maybe fire + landslide could destroy everything?", but we're told the landslide blocked train tunnel only and it also didn't seem like it could destroy the entire town. This wasn't freaking Fukushima/Chernobyl also, so it's a bit hard to accept. Other thing that's weird is for "gods" to consider the creation of illusion-world a blessing of sorts, like "giving citizens chance to live longer". It's more like a curse, a limbo or hell (as some people there speculated). Time is frozen, there's no escape to the outside, no life is born, it's endless torture! For this reason I felt like a big boulder remained on my chest when the movie ended. Yeah, sure, some of the kids in illusion-world found love and finally felt alive/pain and shit (like 2 MC's), but that makes things even sadder for them! Well actually I think a lot of you misunderstand the worlds. There is 2 world actually, in the first one steel factory explodes and everyone dies. Because of that gods create an illusion world (with everyone who will stay like the day factory explode) in order to give a chance for dead citizens to live longer. And if they want to change or do not want to live any longer in this illusion world, they start to crack and sacred wolfs erase them from the illusion world. Craziest part here is the crazy priest was actually right! If people (like that fat girl) leave things be and don't change, the wolfs won't make them disappear. Basically, if you want to live, be as zombie-like as possible? (also, it's F'd up if the only way to escape that world is to feel extreme negative emotions, like the fat-classmate did. If people who give up on life get erased, then the world was certainly created by demons to make fun of these people. I mean, what did they expect after locking them all in an endless loop in a prison?!) Also, I wonder why suicide was never mentioned in this movie. I imagine people would be killing themselves in masses due to depression (without waiting for the wolves), hopelessness and stress from isolation isn't a joke (pains me to remember the "forever" pregnant woman for instance - I'd go insane in her place). Also, I wonder if food just endlessly appears in the city :D For electricity we have "automated" steel-plant most likely, but what about food? Where does it come from? (I know it ultimately isn't important for the story, but still curious). My biggest issue with the film is that it doesn't offer salvation for the people in the illusion-world. Yes, salvation came for the real-world Masamune and Mutsumi at the end since their daughter finally came back to them, but what about all the people in illusion-world who are not ghosts; they're alive! Are we left to accept they're forsaken for eternity, stuck in a limbo forever? That's dark, and tragic, and Itsumi returning all grown-up doesn't make it any less stressful, at least for me... Dunno, if the "moral of the story" here was "the importance of love" or how "love makes us feel alive and shit", I found it lame. |
Sigmar-UnberogenJan 21, 2024 1:59 PM
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Reply to Mertus2003
Well actually I think a lot of you misunderstand the worlds. There is 2 world actually, in the first one steel factory explodes and everyone dies. Because of that gods create an illusion world (with everyone who will stay like the day factory explode) in order to give a chance for dead citizens to live longer. And if they want to change or do not want to live any longer in this illusion world, they start to crack and sacred wolfs erase them from the illusion world.
Second world is an alternate universe and in this universe steel factory didn’t explode and everybody lived a normal life until the reform. In the film (when Atsumi saw older Mutsumi and himself in the cracks inside his house) we see that older Mutsumi and Atsumi talk about this year there will be fireworks and the stee factory train will work for the last time. Which means because of the new regulations (it can be seen as ‘’New reforms are being prepared’’ on the newspaper which Mutsumi was reading in same scene) steel factory will be shut down soon. This is also explains the last scene where Itsumi visits the factory and sees “Thank you for 140 years” posters.
If you ask why do I think like this, it’s because in Itsumi’s world steel factory was still active in the festival scene and it’s train is still working and a lot of people still live in Mifuse. However in the last scene we see that Mifuse turned to a ghost town that where the school and factory are abandoned and only a few people still live in there.
So this is what I think and I think it is more logical then thinking Itsumi’s world being future of the 1st world because if only a few poeple were died in the explosion then why gods create an illusion world for everyone. And some quesitons cannot be answered if we think 2nd world is the future of 1st world after the explosion
Second world is an alternate universe and in this universe steel factory didn’t explode and everybody lived a normal life until the reform. In the film (when Atsumi saw older Mutsumi and himself in the cracks inside his house) we see that older Mutsumi and Atsumi talk about this year there will be fireworks and the stee factory train will work for the last time. Which means because of the new regulations (it can be seen as ‘’New reforms are being prepared’’ on the newspaper which Mutsumi was reading in same scene) steel factory will be shut down soon. This is also explains the last scene where Itsumi visits the factory and sees “Thank you for 140 years” posters.
If you ask why do I think like this, it’s because in Itsumi’s world steel factory was still active in the festival scene and it’s train is still working and a lot of people still live in Mifuse. However in the last scene we see that Mifuse turned to a ghost town that where the school and factory are abandoned and only a few people still live in there.
So this is what I think and I think it is more logical then thinking Itsumi’s world being future of the 1st world because if only a few poeple were died in the explosion then why gods create an illusion world for everyone. And some quesitons cannot be answered if we think 2nd world is the future of 1st world after the explosion
| @Mertus2003 No I don't think that makes sense. In the "normal world" married Masamune was seen making cucumber and eggplant horses for his dad and granddad to ride on, implying that his dad died in the normal world, which in turn imply that his dad died in the plant accident. The new reforms mentioned in newspaper were probably reforms as a response to the incident. When normal Saki AKA illusion Itsumi visited the real world factory at the end of the film, there was a sign at the factory entrance where cab dropped her off. Sign mentioned a fire incident (火災事故) in Heisei 3rd year (平成3年), or 1991. This matches exactly with early on in the film (I think right around when Masamune mentioned time stopped for them) where a stack of manga magazine is shown on screen, and top magazine shows 1991 on its spine. I think it's just one universe but two different dimensions/worlds/timelines kind of thing. Accident happened in 1991; right at that moment illusion world is created/split from normal world, and time is eternally stuck in 1991 there. In real world, time continued to move normally. In Masamune's dad's diary flashback, it is shown that Saki carried a picture of her and her parents, with the date 2005.6.15 shown on the picture. So, Saki came to illusion world in 2005 at the earliest. Don't remember exactly what was the hint but I get the feeling that by the time Saki left illusion world it's been ten years since she came, which would mean some 24 years passed since the illusion world split from real world. In the real world Obon festival flashback where Saki threw a tantrum and went missing, her mom was later shown alone at home crying/hunched over at the front door, and dad was visiting Obon festival looking for her. For me that implied that it's been years since Saki went missing and dad kept visiting Obon festival every year looking for her. Edit: Accident didn't kill everyone is town, likely just the people at the factory. This is implied given normal Masamune and Mutsumi survived to marry but Masamune's dad who worked night shift did not (he guessed this much in his diary flashback as well). But the illusion world split affected everyone in town, both alive and otherwise would-be-dead ones. Also, I'm not certain on timeline in illusion world. Dad found Saki on train after landslide, but also at least 14 years (1991 - 2005+) after accident/world divergence. I thought landslide happened soon after accident (next day?), not 14 years later. It's a bit confusing because dad's flashback monologue about the landslide happened right before the scene showing dad finding kid Saki on train. It's entirely possible 14 years passed between those two shots. |
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