| Is this movie canon? |
ixarising said: None of the movies are canon. Irish appear as a flashback too. ouh year, forgot about that guy. No wonder i couldt remember his face/name. Thanks. Yeah, I know movies are usually non-canon. But, a bit curious. since it introduces a few peculiar premises. like vermouth's help |
shuffle_017 said: Yeah, I know movies are usually non-canon. But, a bit curious. since it introduces a few peculiar premises. like vermouth's help The Movies of Conan plays a lot with the Canon events and infos , but everything that happen in it definitely is not. And Vermouth's help is nothing new. I also saw your questions in the discussions : shuffle_017 said: Just curious with few things.
#1 - That's... complicate. There has always been teasing about the feelings of Haibara for Conan , especially in the Movies. (She's a popular character , after all.) But ultimately , it seems not. She just trust and respect him a lot. #2 - They seems to try to implement another continuity for the Movies. As the user above mentionned , Irish is also here. #3 - #4 - Conan saved her in New York when she was disguised as a serial killer , and him still Shinichi. Since that time , she saved Conan 2 times in Canon , and helped him a few times as well , both in Canon and not-Canon. But it definitely doesn't seems like that's her only motive , so we are still in the fog. (She also seems to respect Yukiko enough to let her and her family alive.) #5 - Well , yes and no. With the Canon events , we don't know exactly how big they are , but it's told multiples times they have colossal means to their disposition. And with the reveal of the identity of the boss , it makes sense. I doubt they have many members tho. |
Alexioos95Jul 10, 2023 3:50 AM
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Alexioos95 said: The Movies of Conan plays a lot with the Canon events and infos , but everything that happen in it definitely is not. And Vermouth's help is nothing new. Noted, but for me it seem more intense. didnt notice this in manga/anime much. just her helping yukiko. eg,Black Iron Mystery Train arc. Alexioos95 said: I also saw your questions in the discussions : #1 - That's... complicate. There has always been teasing about the feelings of Haibara for Conan , especially in the Movies. (She's a popular character , after all.) But ultimately , it seems not. She just trust and respect him a lot. #2 - They seems to try to implement another continuity for the Movies. As the user above mentionned , Irish is also here. #3 - #4 - Conan saved her in New York when she was disguised as a serial killer , and him still Shinichi. Since that time , she saved Conan 2 times in Canon , and helped him a few times as well , both in Canon and not-Canon. But it definitely doesn't seems like that's her only motive , so we are still in the fog. (She also seems to respect Yukiko enough to let her and her family alive.) #5 - Well , yes and no. With the Canon events , we don't know exactly how big they are , but it's told multiples times they have colossal means to their disposition. And with the reveal of the identity of the boss , it makes sense. I doubt they have many members tho. #1 - noted. #2 - yup, as he said. Irish also came out. So, as long Aoyama didnt introduce the characters/premises in manga, it's still just non canon shit right? #3 - Thnaks for the clarification, it was in the recent manga chapter right? or anime covred that as well? Lot of thing got jumbled together due to constant fillers, reading-watching the series on the same time, etc. hahaha #4 - Noted, so her true intent stay as a mystery for now. #5 - I hope Aoyama cleared it up in the manga. If not, the movie became a bit illogical .Geo-politic wise. Since what they did in the movie is pretty much internatioal incident. involving lot of countries's security. --- Thanks again for the lenghty reply. Appreciate you took your time to wrote this reply. //A little bit hoping this would be canon. It would be more interesting tbh. hahaha |
shuffle_017 said: So, as long Aoyama didnt introduce the characters/premises in manga, it's still just non canon shit right? Yes. But to be more precise , Aoyama is not involved in the Movies. He likes to take note of what the staff do tho , and even ends up taking their ideas sometimes. shuffle_017 said: Thnaks for the clarification, it was in the recent manga chapter right? or anime covred that as well? That's not really a recent news. It was in Chapter 1017/Episode 974. shuffle_017 said: I hope Aoyama cleared it up in the manga. If not, the movie became a bit illogical. Geo-politic wise. As of the latest Chapter , no. We don't know how many members they have , and how powerful they really are. I personally feel like they are not that big , just extremely cautious and intelligent. The more Movies are released , the more illogical it gets. Movie 20 was already very limit , with how publicly agressive the Organization was... They definitely felt different from how they behave in the Manga. |
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
Wow, you're a hardcore watcher/reader. hahaha Alexioos95 said: The more Movies are released , the more illogical it gets. Movie 20 was already very limit , with how publicly agressive the Organization was... Exactly! LOL |
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None of the movies are canon. Irish appear as a flashback too.
| @ixarising Was movie 3 not referenced in the manga ? Or is my brain making up things. |
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| movie 100% is canon some parts of it the parts op is thinking of anyways with the black org reveal is 100% probably gonna be canon shit movie literally moves the black org plot further with this move than the last goddamn 100 chapters ever did but because fans cant fathom the idea a non canon serial movie can have canon plot bearings which alot of shounens did and have frequently dione and also ignore that gosho has literally told the entire major staff in the anime production team the boss identity and presuambly other stuff he plans to do for very obvious reasons fans still cope its totally not canon and just choose to rather follow the canon of 30filler chapter a yr with no progress thats just ads for the movie for the past 5 yrs list of "non-canon" movies taht end up having canon lore/reveals that fits the plot even tho the movie doesnt fit in any of the series timeline - bungou - fairy tail - one piece - steins gate and thats listing things with FULL plot and notstuff like conan where theres no actual timeline/time passing |
| So embarrased with Tensura fans and the fandom, how have we degraded |
Mei-o_Scarlett said: list of "non-canon" movies taht end up having canon lore/reveals that fits the plot even tho the movie doesnt fit in any of the series timeline - bungou - fairy tail - one piece - steins gate The Dead Apple Movie of Bungou Stray Dogs, and the Fuka Ryouiki no Déjà vu one of Steins;Gate are both officially Canon, so there is nothing to say. But i don't see how the 2 Movies of Fairy Tail, or any of the 15 ones of One Piece "advancement in the plot/lore" could be considered Canon. They simply uses elements revealed at some points in the story, and expands on it under the interpretations of the director. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. And even if it works, they aren't Canon per se. The Author simply have a similar way of thinking than the director, or maybe he even takes inspiration in it (which Gosho did a few times, already). From the top of my mind, Dragon Ball Z Movie 08 is one which absolutely doesn't works, while the Bardock Special totally did, for example. |
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Mei-o_Scarlett said:
list of
"non-canon" movies taht end up having canon lore/reveals that fits the plot even tho the movie doesnt fit in any of the series timeline
- bungou
- fairy tail
- one piece
- steins gate
list of
"non-canon" movies taht end up having canon lore/reveals that fits the plot even tho the movie doesnt fit in any of the series timeline
- bungou
- fairy tail
- one piece
- steins gate
The Dead Apple Movie of Bungou Stray Dogs, and the Fuka Ryouiki no Déjà vu one of Steins;Gate are both officially Canon, so there is nothing to say.
But i don't see how the 2 Movies of Fairy Tail, or any of the 15 ones of One Piece "advancement in the plot/lore" could be considered Canon. They simply uses elements revealed at some points in the story, and expands on it under the interpretations of the director. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. And even if it works, they aren't Canon per se. The Author simply have a similar way of thinking than the director, or maybe he even takes inspiration in it (which Gosho did a few times, already).
From the top of my mind, Dragon Ball Z Movie 08 is one which absolutely doesn't works, while the Bardock Special totally did, for example.
| @Alexioos95 one piece revealed the name of laugh tale and shanks parentage wayyy before the manga did, with the latter still only being hinted but oda has cobfirned its canon so... canon... what u descaribe is canon... if its the same thing the author is gonna rebeal its goddamn canon just cause the author didnt came up with it doesnt mean its not thats literally how japan works its not just a one author work ever imagine unironicallu being a TM fan and trying to use this argument bruh |
| So embarrased with Tensura fans and the fandom, how have we degraded |
The reveal itself may be. It's not sure, and the events around it are not, most of the time. For Detective Conan, Movie 21 is the perfect example. Mei-o_Scarlett said: just cause the author didnt came up with it doesnt mean its not thats literally how japan works its not just a one author work ever The Author still needs to allow and confirm it in his own vision of his story. He gave the rights to the producers to do something around his work, but it doesn't mean he accepts everything done with it impacting his "own" story. Mei-o_Scarlett said: imagine unironicallu being a TM fan and trying to use this argument bruh ? Type-Moon works, be it those done by Nasu and Takeuchi, or the other ones, are literally all Alternative Universes of each other (even the 3 original Fate Routes). There is no Canon/not Canon with it, because everything is. (Nasu even consider the Animes and Mangas adaptations as yet another universe.) It's a very peculiar case, which is not the same for Detective Conan, or the other works you mentionned... |
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
| damn, you Type-Moon readers/watchers/gamers are on another level. hahahahaha |
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