Sugar Apple Fairy Tale (light novel)
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Jul 7, 2023 7:54 PM
#1
My prediction is that she is going to give Challe back to Anne willingly at some point in the season, instead of being forced to do it. The show appears to be going so that Anne (with the help of her friends!) will solve all of the problems with the Paige Workshop, and she’ll find a way for Bridgett to pursue her dream of being a Sugar Artisan. And then Bridgett is going to see the error of her ways and give Challe’s wing back to him so he can continue to be with Anne. Her and Anne may even become friends in the long term. Is it somewhat predictable? Maybe. Am I still gonna love every second of this season? Yes I am! 🥰 |
I wish more people watched Chobits. |
Jul 8, 2023 12:52 PM
#2
After Anne going Lee Iacocca in the Paige Workshop? |
Mene, mene, tekel, parsin |
Jul 8, 2023 5:31 PM
#3
Skoorb said: My prediction is that she is going to give Challe back to Anne willingly at some point in the season, instead of being forced to do it. The show appears to be going so that Anne (with the help of her friends!) will solve all of the problems with the Paige Workshop, and she’ll find a way for Bridgett to pursue her dream of being a Sugar Artisan. And then Bridgett is going to see the error of her ways and give Challe’s wing back to him so he can continue to be with Anne. Her and Anne may even become friends in the long term. Is it somewhat predictable? Maybe. Am I still gonna love every second of this season? Yes I am! 🥰 Yeah that seems like what this episode was hinting at |
Jul 9, 2023 3:30 AM
#4
Agree with OP. Episode 1 made it pretty much obvious that Bridget's a victim here. I think Elliot brought her here primarily because he's hoping she'll help with Bridget. MY hate towards Bridget isn't as strong as it was at the end of S1. Keith is still the #1 villain of the story. You just can't overlook the fact he tried to kill Ann. |
Jul 9, 2023 4:11 AM
#5
I'm glad that they made a reason why Bridgett acted so unfair and bad with both protagonists. I honestly hated her in the last episodes. But now I'm happy that this can be solved. AND GOD, second season it's looking so good, more because of Shall and Anne. They are SO ADORABLE and UFF, I feel the good tingling 😳💕 they obviously have quemistry and im loving it every second they are together. I'm so eager to see how will look Bridgett's arc and the love story of Shall and Anne! 😍🥰 |
Jul 14, 2023 5:37 PM
#6
I guess Ann and Bridget will understand each other. |
Mene, mene, tekel, parsin |
Jul 15, 2023 5:05 PM
#7
Agree, based on Anne's personality to change the world as well as Bridgett's apparent interest in the artisanship-- my guess is she'll probably be given approval to leave the school if Anne is able to return the school back to its former glory. Only if Anne can break this arranged marriage thing with Elliot will she finally snap out of her victim tantrum...tbh I feel like I'd ship Bridgett and Keith if she can ever stop moping. |
Jul 15, 2023 6:12 PM
#8
Sigmar-Unberogen said: Bro, that wasn't Keith. Still, Jonas didn't necessarily try to kill her, he just made it so Challe had no way of stopping him while protecting Anne. Agree with OP. Episode 1 made it pretty much obvious that Bridget's a victim here. I think Elliot brought her here primarily because he's hoping she'll help with Bridget. MY hate towards Bridget isn't as strong as it was at the end of S1. Keith is still the #1 villain of the story. You just can't overlook the fact he tried to kill Ann. |
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Jul 16, 2023 12:26 AM
#9
LostSpectre said: Sigmar-Unberogen said: Bro, that wasn't Keith. Still, Jonas didn't necessarily try to kill her, he just made it so Challe had no way of stopping him while protecting Anne. Agree with OP. Episode 1 made it pretty much obvious that Bridget's a victim here. I think Elliot brought her here primarily because he's hoping she'll help with Bridget. MY hate towards Bridget isn't as strong as it was at the end of S1. Keith is still the #1 villain of the story. You just can't overlook the fact he tried to kill Ann. Woops. Realized mixed names seeing Keith in episode 2, but didn't bother editing here. Anyways, as I remember Johnas didn't yet know how good of a fighter Shall was, or whether he'd even help Ann considering Shall was still asking Ann to give him orders is she wanted him to do something. My point is, it's still attempted murder. He still gambled her life. |
Jul 16, 2023 3:23 AM
#10
sorry but bridget deserves everything that coming to her.. She can't be a artisan so she takes it out on a girl unrelated to her? Steals someone precious to her and abuses him? Nah mate. F Bridget. |
Jul 16, 2023 12:04 PM
#11
Sigmar-Unberogen said: That's not quite accurate, Jonas witnessed Shall fend off that entire horde of "birds" that practically darkened the sky, and Anne possessed Shall's wing, so he was compelled to protect her anyway. I wouldn't argue that it was reckless, something bad definitely could have happened, but I don't think he tried to kill her so much as he just made a (fucked up) diversion that would allow him to steal the sculpture and escape. He was surprised to see Anne arrive at the festival because he didn't believe she could have made anything worthwhile in the time she had left, not that she wasn't killed, per say. LostSpectre said: Sigmar-Unberogen said: Agree with OP. Episode 1 made it pretty much obvious that Bridget's a victim here. I think Elliot brought her here primarily because he's hoping she'll help with Bridget. MY hate towards Bridget isn't as strong as it was at the end of S1. Keith is still the #1 villain of the story. You just can't overlook the fact he tried to kill Ann. Woops. Realized mixed names seeing Keith in episode 2, but didn't bother editing here. Anyways, as I remember Johnas didn't yet know how good of a fighter Shall was, or whether he'd even help Ann considering Shall was still asking Ann to give him orders is she wanted him to do something. My point is, it's still attempted murder. He still gambled her life. |
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Jul 16, 2023 12:06 PM
#12
komic said: This is a gross oversimplification. She's done wrong, but she's not some "evil" person, and don't forget times are pretty trash there for women. sorry but bridget deserves everything that coming to her.. She can't be a artisan so she takes it out on a girl unrelated to her? Steals someone precious to her and abuses him? Nah mate. F Bridget. |
If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
Jul 16, 2023 12:52 PM
#13
LostSpectre said: I get your point but it still sounds like lawyer (you) protecting your client (Jonas) at court to reduce his sentence or something :DSigmar-Unberogen said: That's not quite accurate, Jonas witnessed Shall fend off that entire horde of "birds" that practically darkened the sky, and Anne possessed Shall's wing, so he was compelled to protect her anyway. I wouldn't argue that it was reckless, something bad definitely could have happened, but I don't think he tried to kill her so much as he just made a (fucked up) diversion that would allow him to steal the sculpture and escape. He was surprised to see Anne arrive at the festival because he didn't believe she could have made anything worthwhile in the time she had left, not that she wasn't killed, per say. LostSpectre said: Sigmar-Unberogen said: Bro, that wasn't Keith. Still, Jonas didn't necessarily try to kill her, he just made it so Challe had no way of stopping him while protecting Anne. Agree with OP. Episode 1 made it pretty much obvious that Bridget's a victim here. I think Elliot brought her here primarily because he's hoping she'll help with Bridget. MY hate towards Bridget isn't as strong as it was at the end of S1. Keith is still the #1 villain of the story. You just can't overlook the fact he tried to kill Ann. Woops. Realized mixed names seeing Keith in episode 2, but didn't bother editing here. Anyways, as I remember Johnas didn't yet know how good of a fighter Shall was, or whether he'd even help Ann considering Shall was still asking Ann to give him orders is she wanted him to do something. My point is, it's still attempted murder. He still gambled her life. Sure, I can imagine how Jonas likely wanted to stall Ann rather than have her killed, BUT it still doesn't change the fact his actions could've gotten her killed. You also agree that it was possible for something bad to happen. It seemed to me Jonas was too desperate at that moment to care for probabilities of Ann's survival/death. He was too careless so what he WISHED is irrelevant. I don't think saying "my client HOPED/BELIEVED Ann would survive that anyways" is a convincing argument to drop "attempted murder" charge. Sure, Ann survived, but that's exactly why Jonas is tried for "attempted murder" and not "murder". We have to thank Shall for that, not Jonas's wishful thinking. Though again I would agree that Jonas may have indeed intended to simply have Ann stalled, but his action nonetheless resulted in endangering Ann's life and that's all that needs to be taken into account. I mean, if you care for her life and want to simply stall her, try sabotaging or destroying her transport maybe? You can't just threaten a person's life and say "I only wanted to stall you, I swear" or "it was just a prank bro" or some cheesy BS like that. GUILTY! *Gavel hits* |
Jul 16, 2023 1:15 PM
#14
Sigmar-Unberogen said: I'll admit that in legal terms you could potentially see it as attempted murder, since the beasts would surely have killed Anne without Shall's interference. I still think there's a difference between Jonas hoping she actually dies, and him being reasonably certain that she will be unharmed with Shall protecting her. Obviously, he put her life in unnecessary danger, even if Shall could (theoretically) easily stop the threat, and that should be accounted for. However, to prove it was in fact "attempted murder" you would have to unequivocally prove that Jonas' intent was to murder Anne, not simply that he put her in a situation that could have caused her death, sans the protection of her companion, in order to steal from her. LostSpectre said: I get your point but it still sounds like lawyer (you) protecting your client (Jonas) at court to reduce his sentence or something :DSigmar-Unberogen said: LostSpectre said: Sigmar-Unberogen said: Bro, that wasn't Keith. Still, Jonas didn't necessarily try to kill her, he just made it so Challe had no way of stopping him while protecting Anne. Agree with OP. Episode 1 made it pretty much obvious that Bridget's a victim here. I think Elliot brought her here primarily because he's hoping she'll help with Bridget. MY hate towards Bridget isn't as strong as it was at the end of S1. Keith is still the #1 villain of the story. You just can't overlook the fact he tried to kill Ann. Woops. Realized mixed names seeing Keith in episode 2, but didn't bother editing here. Anyways, as I remember Johnas didn't yet know how good of a fighter Shall was, or whether he'd even help Ann considering Shall was still asking Ann to give him orders is she wanted him to do something. My point is, it's still attempted murder. He still gambled her life. Sure, I can imagine how Jonas likely wanted to stall Ann rather than have her killed, BUT it still doesn't change the fact his actions could've gotten her killed. You also agree that it was possible for something bad to happen. It seemed to me Jonas was too desperate at that moment to care for probabilities of Ann's survival/death. He was too careless so what he WISHED is irrelevant. I don't think saying "my client HOPED/BELIEVED Ann would survive that anyways" is a convincing argument to drop "attempted murder" charge. Sure, Ann survived, but that's exactly why Jonas is tried for "attempted murder" and not "murder". We have to thank Shall for that, not Jonas's wishful thinking. Though again I would agree that Jonas may have indeed intended to simply have Ann stalled, but his action nonetheless resulted in endangering Ann's life and that's all that needs to be taken into account. I mean, if you care for her life and want to simply stall her, try sabotaging or destroying her transport maybe? You can't just threaten a person's life and say "I only wanted to stall you, I swear" or "it was just a prank bro" or some cheesy BS like that. GUILTY! *Gavel hits* Let me be clear, he would certainly be serving a prison sentence, but if you look at all the factors, it could be concluded that Jonas' primary intent was in fact, not killing Anne, but simply stalling Shall, and stealing her sugar candy sculpture. Simply sabotaging the wagon would not have prevented the powerful warrior fairy Shall from pursuing Jonas, something as drastic as endangering Anne's life, and let's not forget, Shall's wing, would be necessary in order to escape. It should also be brought into account that Jonas made several attempts to take Anne as his bride, in order to avoid having to steal the sculpture, so his primary intention was certainly not just to remove her from the picture in order to steal the candy sculpture. |
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Jul 16, 2023 1:57 PM
#15
@LostSpectre However, to prove it was in fact "attempted murder" you would have to unequivocally prove that Jonas' intent was to murder Anne, not simply that he put her in a situation that could have caused her death. It's still an attempted murder in my book. I did a bit of research and what happened perfectly fits the description of second degree attempted murder.Here's a definition for second degree attempted murder: The person intentionally committed an act which would have resulted in the death of victim expect that someone prevent person from killing victim or he/she failed to do so. Once again I don't see how "I was sure she wouldn't have died anyways" is a convincing argument. At best Jonas won't be convicted for "first degree attempted murder", which is Jonas DELIBERATELY trying to have Ann killed but failing. He may have intended to just stall Ann (even than it's still too extreme), but whether Jonas intended or not, Ann's life was still threatened due to Jonas's actions - that's the point here. -Judge: "Why did he do such thing again?!" -Lawyer: "Ann has an OP fairy who would've saved her anyways. Plus, because he deceived her, stole her stuff, ran away intending to present it as his own to profit from it, and didn't want her stopping him. Had my client succeeded in manipulating her into marrying him earlier, thus exploiting and dumping her later, he wouldn't have to resort to such extremes your honor." -Judge: "BRUH!" *smashes gavel over Jonas's head* |
Jul 16, 2023 2:13 PM
#16
Sigmar-Unberogen said: Yet, the intervening force was not some act of god, it's something that was measurable and predictable. While it's true that the actions taken could have, in theory, killed Anne, it was simply extremely unlikely to occur. I think it would still be difficult to prove unequivocally that Jonas acted with the intent to murder Anne, as opposed to simply endangering Anne's life and forcing Shall to protect her, in order to steal the sculpture. Legally, there would be a difference if the court recognized the ability of Shall to defend her with a reasonable degree of certainty.@LostSpectre However, to prove it was in fact "attempted murder" you would have to unequivocally prove that Jonas' intent was to murder Anne, not simply that he put her in a situation that could have caused her death. It's still an attempted murder in my book. I did a bit of research and what happened perfectly fits the description of second degree attempted murder.Here's a definition for second degree attempted murder: The person intentionally committed an act which would have resulted in the death of victim expect that someone prevent person from killing victim or he/she failed to do so. Once again I don't see how "I was sure she wouldn't have died anyways" is a convincing argument. At best Jonas won't be convicted for "first degree attempted murder", which is Jonas DELIBERATELY trying to have Ann killed but failing. He may have intended to just stall Ann (even than it's still too extreme), but whether Jonas intended or not, Ann's life was still threatened due to Jonas's actions - that's the point here. -Judge: "Why did he do such thing again?!" -Lawyer: "Ann has an OP fairy who would've saved her anyways. Plus, because he deceived her, stole her stuff, ran away intending to present it as his own to profit from it, and didn't want her stopping him. Had my client succeeded in manipulating her into marrying him earlier, thus exploiting and dumping her later, he wouldn't have to resort to such extremes your honor." -Judge: "BRUH!" *smashes gavel over Jonas's head* Now, if I were to shoot you in the head (nothing personal) and try to argue I didn't intend to murder you, that would obviously not be a reasonable argument. On the surface, sicking the wild dogs on Anne would appear to be a comparable example, that would have foreseeably led to her death, but Shall not only had personal motivation to protect Anne, he far outclassed simple wild beasts, and Jonas had direct knowledge of this. In practical terms, I don't believe he attempted to murder Anne, but I'm also not sure "her fairy companion is OP" is a valid legal defense. Unfortunately, I guess we'll never know, since that bastard got off scot free. |
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Jul 16, 2023 3:44 PM
#17
@LostSpectre While it's true that the actions taken could have, in theory, killed Anne, it was simply extremely unlikely to occur. This would sound ridiculous in court NGL. I mean, how can you calculate the likelihood of victim dying? Would they test how good of a fighter Shall is to determine whether he could stop a pack of wild dogs or not? There are so many other factors to consider, like element of surprise, location of victim, weather, stress level. It's dumb and pretty much pointless to try to "replicate" the event to determine how severe the threat level actually was - all for the sake of Jonas the culprit? Nah. Victim here is Ann. Ann didn't ask Jonas to be attacked by dogs lol. Yet again, this situation is second degree attempted murder no matter how you try to spin it. Jonas intentionally committed an act which would have resulted in Ann's death (even if you claim it's very unlikely to have occurred) except Shall prevented this. Whether Shall is great protector or not is ultimately irrelevant since he was forced into protecting Ann from dangerous situation Jonas made. Ann and Jonas weren't just "fooling around" to test Shall's strength or something; it was Jonas intentionally putting Ann's life at risk in an attempt to get away with theft. Obviously Jonas can't know Ann's the protagonist of the story and has plot-armor thus her chances of dying were actually 0%. As a character of this story Jonas couldn't have seriously calculated the possibilities to come to YOUR assumption of "Ann's death is simply extremely unlikely to occur". Even if that's the case, are you then going to say "an attempted murder is a case when a person was AT LEAST 51% likely to die or something?". If Ann was 0.5-1% likely to die it's no longer an attempted murder, lol? In your weird example (since it's not attempted murder anymore lol), you could say: "victim was wearing a bulletproof helmet and I was certain they wouldn't die anyways so I shot them in the head". Did I consent to being shot lol? - No. Hence why you'd be charged with first degree murder lol. Similar story with Jonas. Jonas thinking Shall was (approx) 99% certainly going to protect Ann, doesn't free him from the remaining 1% where Ann dies due to his foolishness and greed. Unfortunately, I guess we'll never know, since that bastard got off scot free. Even worse, Ann would likely not take the case to the court since she's too naïve. She'd even help Jonas avoid harsh sentence because she'd feel sorry for him and likely say some cheesy BS like: "Shall protected me well anyways so it's ok" -_-Dunno, I'm still inclined to believe Jonas would be found guilty of attempted murder (second degree) considering all of his other mischiefs (theft, manipulation) leading to this incident. + Criminals usually get all apologetic and innocent once caught so it's very unlikely his excuses would hold water. In conclusion, I'm more convinced than before that Jonas is guilty of second degree attempted murder, thus he's the worst character of the series so far. |
Sigmar-UnberogenJul 16, 2023 3:47 PM
Jul 16, 2023 4:26 PM
#18
Sigmar-Unberogen said: You're just repeating yourself. Again, it all comes down to whether or not Shall being OP could be viewed as a potential legal defense. It's not the fact that Shall randomly happened to save Anne from an "attempted murder", there's easily an argument that Jonas' actions were predicated on a strong belief that Shall could easily fend off the attack. Still, it all depends on whether the court would accept any form of argument that hinged on another person preventing what would otherwise be a deadly attack. Jonas knew that Anne possessed Shall's wing, and that he was a very skilled fighter, even if Shall didn't care for Anne, he would still have a duty to protect her out of self-preservation. Regardless, it seems clear that in practical (not legal) terms Jonas did not seriously intend to murder Anne, even if his diversion was reckless and could have resulted in injury. @LostSpectre While it's true that the actions taken could have, in theory, killed Anne, it was simply extremely unlikely to occur. This would sound ridiculous in court NGL. I mean, how can you calculate the likelihood of victim dying? Would they test how good of a fighter Shall is to determine whether he could stop a pack of wild dogs or not? There are so many other factors to consider, like element of surprise, location of victim, weather, stress level. It's dumb and pretty much pointless to try to "replicate" the event to determine how severe the threat level actually was - all for the sake of Jonas the culprit? Nah. Victim here is Ann. Ann didn't ask Jonas to be attacked by dogs lol. Yet again, this situation is second degree attempted murder no matter how you try to spin it. Jonas intentionally committed an act which would have resulted in Ann's death (even if you claim it's very unlikely to have occurred) except Shall prevented this. Whether Shall is great protector or not is ultimately irrelevant since he was forced into protecting Ann from dangerous situation Jonas made. Ann and Jonas weren't just "fooling around" to test Shall's strength or something; it was Jonas intentionally putting Ann's life at risk in an attempt to get away with theft. Obviously Jonas can't know Ann's the protagonist of the story and has plot-armor thus her chances of dying were actually 0%. As a character of this story Jonas couldn't have seriously calculated the possibilities to come to YOUR assumption of "Ann's death is simply extremely unlikely to occur". Even if that's the case, are you then going to say "an attempted murder is a case when a person was AT LEAST 51% likely to die or something?". If Ann was 0.5-1% likely to die it's no longer an attempted murder, lol? In your weird example (since it's not attempted murder anymore lol), you could say: "victim was wearing a bulletproof helmet and I was certain they wouldn't die anyways so I shot them in the head". Did I consent to being shot lol? - No. Hence why you'd be charged with first degree murder lol. Similar story with Jonas. Jonas thinking Shall was (approx) 99% certainly going to protect Ann, doesn't free him from the remaining 1% where Ann dies due to his foolishness and greed. Unfortunately, I guess we'll never know, since that bastard got off scot free. Even worse, Ann would likely not take the case to the court since she's too naïve. She'd even help Jonas avoid harsh sentence because she'd feel sorry for him and likely say some cheesy BS like: "Shall protected me well anyways so it's ok" -_-Dunno, I'm still inclined to believe Jonas would be found guilty of attempted murder (second degree) considering all of his other mischiefs (theft, manipulation) leading to this incident. + Criminals usually get all apologetic and innocent once caught so it's very unlikely his excuses would hold water. In conclusion, I'm more convinced than before that Jonas is guilty of second degree attempted murder, thus he's the worst character of the series so far. I'm fairly certain that neither of us has any real legal knowledge, so while this was amusing for a minute, it's largely a pointless debate. |
LostSpectreJul 16, 2023 4:29 PM
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Jul 17, 2023 12:25 AM
#19
@LostSpectre Dude, you've been repeating yourself too. (not irritated) Regardless, it seems clear that in practical (not legal) terms Jonas did not seriously intend to murder Anne, even if his diversion was reckless and could have resulted in injury. I said I get this. From Jonas's POV it wasn't an attempted murder. But it ultimately doesn't matter what HE intended. What matters is his action, and his action could've resulted in injury OR death (don't know if you deliberately missed that at the end). It doesn't matter if chances of Shall failing were close to zero (in a very optimistic calculation made by Jonas himself). Jonas still risked her life, even if it was done "unintentionally". As a viewer I don't think I can look at this scene as "Jonas just stalling Ann, certain she wasn't in danger". I'm sure there will be someone who'd say Ann has plot armor hence it can't be attempted murder ever. Sure, believe what you want. I guess I at least understand your POV on things even if disagreed. I don't think we necessarily need legal knowledge to understand this though, but whatever. Yeah, the conversation was largely pointless since I believe even Ann would not bother taking things that far. I don't think she viewed this as an attempted murder either. But she's that gullible. Anyways thanks for the debate. Had few laughs here and there, especially when imagining Jonas shitting his pants at court. :D |
Jul 21, 2023 8:16 AM
#20
komic said: sorry but bridget deserves everything that coming to her.. She can't be a artisan so she takes it out on a girl unrelated to her? Steals someone precious to her and abuses him? Nah mate. F Bridget. Mood, I don't feel sorry for her at all. People who take out their "problems" on others unrelated to them are some of the worst in my book and she's really not deserving of sympathy regardless of her situation |
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