Marrine's punishment

IhnalakoKaina said:
I don't think that's how punishment works. That would be vengeance, and a bit extreme at that. And just because she sacrificed herself before doesn't mean that any punishment (other than "killing alexis") would go over her head.

Punishment is not only for the sake of the punished, and suffering is not the only reason for punishment.

What would be appropriate then? At most, stripping her of her power and noble status, and forbidding her from approaching alexis ever again. This would be remedial, preventive, deterring and retributive. So would be death, but I don't hate her (too much), her heart is kind of in the right place and I think she could do a lot of good things with her intelligence and experience to atone.

I don't even remember what happened to her in the end. Was she completely forgiven?

IhnalakoKaina said:
I don't think that's how punishment works. That would be vengeance, and a bit extreme at that. And just because she sacrificed herself before doesn't mean that any punishment (other than "killing alexis") would go over her head.

Punishment is not only for the sake of the punished, and suffering is not the only reason for punishment.

What would be appropriate then? At most, stripping her of her power and noble status, and forbidding her from approaching alexis ever again. This would be remedial, preventive, deterring and retributive. So would be death, but I don't hate her (too much), her heart is kind of in the right place and I think she could do a lot of good things with her intelligence and experience to atone.

I don't even remember what happened to her in the end. Was she completely forgiven?

Jay_Burson-510 said:
Bruh that's like saying the only way to punish murderers are killing their loved ones. That's not the punishment being meant here. Yes technically anu sort of punishment against her is futile to her emotionally but she is still you know human so a heavy punishment will still affect her.  Also, justified punishments are not done simply to hurt a person but to also, remove them from their positions of power to prevent her or anyone to do what she did ever again; and, to you know, give justice to the victims, to give them the respect to see someone who ruined their lives get their just desserts. And before you could say, "Oh revenge is pointless and hurting her will not do anything she was never going to continue her genocide after her defeat", while could be somewhat true doesn't erase the fact that it happened and that while revenge is pointless, a justified punishment allows the victims to heal and start to move on even just a tiny bit. Literally being forgiven instantly just feel wrong and offensive to them. While yes her stance was somewhat... "understandable" in the context of the story, ending with her being defeated by the literal power of love ruins everything. Her values, her decisions, her crimes, her sacrifices, the lives she had killed, all gone and devalued into nothingness cause it turned out all she needed is love.  Ha.... Fuck me. This show is fucking horrible and please tell me the light novel was at least decent.

Jay_Burson-510 said:
Technically she had already chosen the latter right. Like in the very first episode she gave up the marriage because it just was not meant to be in her eyes and Alexis would've been killed. The reason they decided to fight the Magic Acadeny is becuase of the story's main group.

jaune-banane said:


I am sorry. I don't think you got my question right. I meant, if the choices in front of her are:

1. Alexis being harmed (vs)
2. Unification of the continent (and/or) retaliation against the mages

Which would she have chosen? Think of it like the mages knowing her true reasons and blackmailing Marrine by threatening Alexis' life or something.

Jay_Burson-510 said:

Oh ok sorry. It could honestly be either or but both choices still hinges on Alexis. She could pick the saving Alexis life even if she's gonna ruin the whole world or she could unify and retaliate if she was given an arc or something and Alexis himself request her to protect the world for his sake. Again, either way Alexis is the center of it all.

jaune-banane said:
Was checking out this discussion forum for something else and then realized there's a full-on rage party going on against Marrine. So everyone wants Marrine to get punished. Here's my argument why it's stupid to expect any kind of punishment for Marrine. Because the ONLY WAY to punish Marrine will be to KILL ALEXIS. No. Seriously.

1. Marrine says in Ep.20 that she was ready to die in her war against the real enemy.
2. She was ready to undergo sexual degradation, kill relatives, massacre people, admits to herself that she doesn't deserve happiness, etc.

So what, or rather whom, does she really care about? Alexis. Alexis is where she draws the line. She will rather give up her own life or the the life of her relatives, allies, soldiers, her virginity, and everything else as long as Alexis is unharmed. 

The only way to make Marrine suffer is to kill Alexis. 

See why it's stupid to expect punishment for Marrine now? OTOH, yeah sure, she did not deserve a happy ending either after all the suffering she caused. Alexis perhaps, should have married another. Not that it will cause her a heartbreak like it would if Alexis dies. But at least she wouldn't have got the happy ending. But there is NO REALISTIC WAY that you can punish Marrine without killing one of the best characters in this anime.

KainiusTheGreat said:
I don't think you understand the effectiveness of prolonged torture. A lot of severely messed up things can be done to her, especially in a world with healing magic, things I would be insta-banned for even beginning to describe. No matter what a person feels they'd be willing to suffer, Day 17 of indescribable agony that will not end is NEVER a scenario one can begin to say they'd willingly endure as they have no basis to understand how much they would regret it....now that I went really dark and made some folks uncomfortable, here's some Senko mind cleansing for ya's!