Is Kiyotaka in love with...?

Aug 10, 2022 11:04 PM

Remi2017

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Is Kiyotaka Ayanokoji in love with Kei Karuizawa? I keep seeing stuff about this but wanted a forum here to see what others may think. Some text seems to point out that he is especially like his monologues, but I still see some fans denying it saying he's still using her like a textbook to study love. Thoughts?

Aug 11, 2022 12:57 AM

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Harem masters keep is cloudy enough untill endgame so they can mess around with other girls. So both are right answers untill any is disproven

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Aug 15, 2022 2:00 AM

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i guess both
he is using kei as a tool to know whats love is
and he also care for kei for real(guess that is love only)

Aug 22, 2022 4:29 AM

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I wouldn't say it's love, but he definitely cares about her and makes up bullshit irrational excuses to keep himself associating with her, starting from his decision to save her during vol. 7. No she's not a "tool", if you think that you missed the entire subtext of their relationship developed throughout year 1 and took everything at face value. As far as I'm concerned the textbook idea is more bullshitting on his part, he wants to get closer to Kei specifically, and hopes that things advance in their relationship.

Sep 3, 2022 8:56 AM

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I dont think he really does, based on two things. Warning these will be huge spoilers!!

Firstly in Y2V7 after a long discussion with Nagumo, Nagumo asks Ayanokoji his true feelings about Nagamos threat to expel Kei. Ayanokoji knew at this point a lie wouldnt work on Nagumo and he says "If she disappears, she's gone, and that's all there is to it, it is neither more nor less than that. In fact it would have been a great help to me because you would have made the cleanup easier". Later after Nagumo tells him he has screws loose Ayanokoji thinks to himself "he thought I was crazy, but I believe people that make decisions based on emotion are the ones with the bolts screwed on the wrong way. It's the same whether the other person is a stranger, a lover, or a family member. The First priority is to always protect yourself, that is the unshakable solution".

The second thing is in Y2V6 after a discussion with Horikita Ayanokoji thinks to himself "My existence is similar to that of a bicycle’s training wheels. Even though it’s a necessity at first, you will take it off, fall, shake again and again. Eventually, you are able to ride without difficulty. The bicycle you start pedaling isn’t supported by a single person. You will literally be supported by all your classmates. After I have witnessed your growth I will leave your class. I won’t put it into words now, but one day you, Horikita will know the truth. And then you will understand. That there will come a time, when the class you thought was invincible, will be met by a insurmountable reality that you cannot defeat. I will teach you that. I’m not doing it for anyone else but myself. I, as long as I win in the end. Once I decide to become your enemy and defeat you, Horikita, everything will be set in stone. But, I am leaving because I want to be defeated. There is this uncertain future that I wish for. It’s a contradiction. I have the answer, but I wish for it to be wrong". Basically I imply these two quotes to mean that he is only trying to induce growth in Kei for a stronger class to reach his end goal, that and for his own curiosity dating her, alongside using her for his own purposes.

stringa69Sep 3, 2022 10:56 AM

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