Is Ayumu too intrusive?

RobertBobert said:
Am I the only one who thinks Ayumu is a bit overprotective sometimes? Yes, it should be played as a joke due to its straightforwardness and simplicity, but sometimes it seems too intrusive. For example, when he didn't want his beloved's dream of club to come true because then they wouldn't have an intimate setting.

Ale054 said:
Nah i think its normal being jealous or want to being intimate when you like a person

RobertBobert said:


When you try to interfere with your love interest's dream out of jealousy, this is beyond ordinary jealousy.

RobertBobert said:


When you try to interfere with your love interest's dream out of jealousy, this is beyond ordinary jealousy.

Ale054 said:

Well i think definying it a "dream" or talking about "interfering with someone's dream" its a bit exagerate😂
Sorry for my english.

RobertBobert said:


Lol, in the 4th episode, he even forced a date on her so that she would not go looking for newcomers for the club.

RobertBobert said:
Am I the only one who thinks Ayumu is a bit overprotective sometimes? Yes, it should be played as a joke due to its straightforwardness and simplicity, but sometimes it seems too intrusive. For example, when he didn't want his beloved's dream of club to come true because then they wouldn't have an intimate setting.

Rxvxnton said:

Yes, I was thinking about that too, but it is kinda out of the box for a romance anime, most of them the protagonists follow the rule of making everything to make the beloved one dreams come true. He didn’t liked the idea at first but now he is kinda going into it and that makes it a different anime somehow. Loving it so far.

Rxvxnton said:

Yes, I was thinking about that too, but it is kinda out of the box for a romance anime, most of them the protagonists follow the rule of making everything to make the beloved one dreams come true. He didn’t liked the idea at first but now he is kinda going into it and that makes it a different anime somehow. Loving it so far.

RobertBobert said:
Am I the only one who thinks Ayumu is a bit overprotective sometimes? Yes, it should be played as a joke due to its straightforwardness and simplicity, but sometimes it seems too intrusive. For example, when he didn't want his beloved's dream of club to come true because then they wouldn't have an intimate setting.

mdluff said:

I think it’s more about his personal goal of beating her to ask her out than anything. As at least it being just the two of them he’s able to compete one on one with her, if there were more members he wouldn’t have that same courtesy, but when he got a ghost member he was thrilled she was happy so he at least wants to help while working on his personal goal

RobertBobert said:


The problem is that he puts his own goal before anyone else's, which is ironic considering that a relationship with her is literally his goal. In this regard, I consider this show to be noticeably weaker than Takagi, because no matter how teasing Takagi was, she never became abusive.

mdluff said:

I get what your saying but the shows all about when he’ll be declaring his love.. in ep 3 he was a pretty good sport when Takeru was playing against Urushi even said that he’d learn more playing against her. Yeah he was jealous of all the praise and that but he managed to ask her on a date, then agreed it was scouting for members. It was her that called it a date when the time came. I genuinely don’t think the two shows are a good comparison side by side as they are totally different.

RobertBobert said:


If you had the skill of good twiter arguments, you would call her agreeing to a date an abuser's win lol.

mdluff said:

But he’s not abusing her in the slightest

mdluff said:
What by helping her sell the Yakisoba and probably eating like 5 himself, just so he can walk around with her fully prepared for scouting? He isn’t gaslighting her or hypnotising her to bend to his will. He’s just forward with thinking she’s cute but I think that says more about his character that he’s a straight shooter says what’s on his mind

RobertBobert said:


All they did was sell soba and then the two of them walked all day at the festival. I did not notice that they were somehow looking for someone all this time. As for hypnosis... well, Takeru still exists lol.

mdluff said:

You might want to rewatch after selling the Yakisoba then. He does mention he’s full and that he ate that much as he wanted to walk around the festival with her. When walking to give the carrying try back to her class he mentions that they should go somewhere with loads of people to scout. It is then when she says no we should go wherever we want .. as a date my boy was content with scouting

RobertBobert said:


You don't have to demand something with a bat from a person in order to influence his decision. Of course, it would be overkill to claim that this was a deliberate mind game on his part, but technically he still distracted her from the case. The romance in this show is almost analogous to cakes from K-ON!

mdluff said:

Yeah she thought that when he tried to help and clear the yakisoba fast was cute. I’d definitely say it’s not a mind game on his part as could’ve backfired as he did eat a lot she could’ve thought of him as a glutton. But what I saw was in the episode was a girl that’s too nervous for it to be called a date originally as she’s never been on one. Saw how he was and it gave her the courage to say no I actually want to spend time with you. And the reason I say it is she looks happy that he’s never been on a date and that she gets to take the lead even after that part comes out

024 said:
You're overthinking. Her absolute dream? A club is just a mere wish of hers. It's no big deal. It adds a nice touch of comedy and characteristics to him thats all.

RobertBobert said:


So, you can manipulate a person as much as you like, while they succumbs to your influence and does not realize it? OK.



It's no big deal - why should we ignore her wishes and discount them in the first place? You are embarking on a dangerous path by saying that a woman's desires are not important while a man's ability to get all the attention is "nice".

mdluff said:

Again didn’t see any manipulation in the slightest, it would be different if he said do we need it scout for members trying to emotionally manipulate her. The only person in the show who quite clearly gets manipulated is Takeru who gets hypnotised tho surprisingly knows she does it which makes me think he’s just simping so hard that he doesn’t get hypnotised just does what she wants

RobertBobert said:
It's no big deal - why should we ignore her wishes and discount them in the first place? You are embarking on a dangerous path by saying that a woman's desires are not important while a man's ability to get all the attention is "nice".

024 said:

I am trying to say it's not as big of a deal as you are making it out to be. Making a thread out of it is already extravagant and of course you notch it up by passively argueing with almost every reply. You're just hungry for posts, which is why you wrote my previous post away as sexism, just so you can turn anything into a debate and post even more.
I just want to stand up for Urushi and Ayumu and my favorite show. You made the topic about Ayumu who happens to be male. And i said it's not a big deal because this show is just a simple and cute romcom/sol.

Are you that bored? Is your 'dream' to reach 10k posts before the end of this year or something?

RobertBobert said:


If your main argument is that your opponent is a jerk, then obviously you have no more arguments. Sorry brother.

024 said:


That's mostly what I was saying yes. But also correcting your assumption over my 1st post. Why even come to that conclusion?

RobertBobert said:


People may disagree with your opinion, have you ever thought about it?

024 said:


Yes I disagree with Ayumu being too intrusive. But I was reffering to you saying I was sexist? You're basically saying I am if I disagree with your opinion?

RobertBobert said:


Where and when did I say that you are sexist if you don't agree with me?

024 said:

That's what I got from your first two replies to me. Once again I said that him being like that is not that big a deal because him holding up the club for extra members adds to the story (as in literal screentime) and his character. As long as her goal of the club eventually happens somewhere this season it should be fine?

Of course the better thing for him to do is be less 'intrusive' but that's just how this show is set. I haven't read the source but character development is a thing and I'm confident they'll get that too so.

RobertBobert said:


You simply repeated your argument, but did not write where I accused you of sexism.

024 said:


"a woman's" desires are not important while "a man's" ability to get all the attention is "nice"?
obviously that's not what I think, I never claimed what Urushi wants is not important or Ayumu having the skill of getting all the attention? what?

RobertBobert said:


I'll skip the fact that you non-ironically accuse me of disagreeing with your opinion, but where is the accusation of sexism?

BobertkcussineP said:
You know you are deprived of human socialization when after watching this, you think the guy is an abuser who is emotionally manipulating the girl. 🤡

024 said:


To me, saying: desires of women are not important and men being able to get all the attention, is pretty sexist. And you said that I was saying that while that was not true, but a misunderstanding.

RobertBobert said:
Am I the only one who thinks Ayumu is a bit overprotective sometimes? Yes, it should be played as a joke due to its straightforwardness and simplicity, but sometimes it seems too intrusive. For example, when he didn't want his beloved's dream of club to come true because then they wouldn't have an intimate setting.

StardustMirage94 said:

Bro... he even said that he would put his feelings and pride aside to make his beloved one happy, can't see the definition of intrusive anywhere, sorry.

RobertBobert said:
Firstly, it's quite funny that you are trying to refute the hint of manipulation with the help of manipulation (the classic "I didn't say it directly, so it didn't happen") Secondly, it's quite funny that by denying my interpretation of your words you are trying to accuse me of something based on interpretation of my.

024 said:

I'm not trying to manipulate anything. All i am trying to say is that you interpreted my original post wrong when you said "You are saying a womans desires are not important". But that's not at all what I was trying to say. I then explained what I meant with it it, and even how I even don't fully disagree with your opinion.

I do not make a big deal out of this because I disagree with your topic, but because I want to correct the way you read my original post as "womans desires are not important". And if I am the one that interpreted that wrong then sorry for accusing you.

RobertBobert said:


You literally accuse me of interpreting your words and at the same time you try to accuse me of something based on your own interpretation of my words. This is what causes my sarcasm.

What you're attacking as an accusation of sexism was actually a joke about how you sounded like a suggestion to appreciate Ayumu's position more than a girl.

024 said:

Right, perhaps it was my bad english or frustration, sorry for those accusations then.
And about the joke, my bad, im not good at reading those. I never meant to sound like I was suggesting that and never meant any harm, so I got frustrated.