The Executioner and Her Way of Life
| Ok so, I started watching this because it seemed to have very weirdly mixed opinions about it. And this post is me asking and trying to figure out the problem. well let's start with, the actual quality of the show. I think it's fair to say the show has good visuals and in my honest opinion fantastic music. the production is general is certainly better than your average show. it's not the greatest ever, but it is still really good. the story at least as far as I have seen is one of the most original concepts in isekai. which doesn't really say much, but still. now, the show is certainly not perfect, and the main reason for it is the script and just the writing in general. but then again, when has that ever been a problem for isekai fans? A show with good visuals, great music, a very interesting concepts that happens to have some info dumps and sloppy dialogue? I'm sorry but isn't that just a slightly worse re:zero? Like here's the thing, this show has a lower rating than Spirit Chronicles and that show had none of the good points of this one along with it's writing also being way worse. So, I'm sitting here just confused about how that show managed to be above 7, and this one didn't. Like, a below 7/10 isekai in almost always a low effort cash grab that people only watch as junk food, and this is clearly not that. The only theory about how this happened that kind of makes sense, is the fact that the show is not really The self-insert power fantasy that most isekai are... but I want to know what do other people think about this. specially if you're an isekai fan and hate this show, I would love to know the why you feel that way. |
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| Let's go out on the limb to say that, this show outright fails simply because the characters aren't interesting. Menou fails as a good MC cause she has nothing else going on her beyond "have to kill random from another world for greater good", most of them only exist for plot device (like Akari and her abilities) and has the most stereotypical traits (Momo). While the world building is decent, it doesn't have much (if any) intrigue. I guess to answer your question on why the is low, I assume because of mostly what I said. Honestly, those who say that it was because of it's not your typical Isekai I think they are lying to themselves. Normal isekais are hated enough already, with a creative premise like this it would normally be higher but it's not so it has to be because it's just not that good. That's just my hypothesis. |
| @GalacticMagna no sir the people dislike the show purely because "MC is girl" the first chapter was a bait that was effective with some people and since then the series was doomed. The reality is that the majority of the public in MAL is like that. this has already happened with past and current shows, I still can't believe that healer girl has such a low score when it is a very good anime every episode is a masterpiece song and animation so great, but how it doesn't have any male lead the people just skip this. |
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Rosary_Diva said: @GalacticMagna no sir the people dislike the show purely because "MC is girl" the first chapter was a bait that was effective with some people and since then the series was doomed. The reality is that the majority of the public in MAL is like that. this has already happened with past and current shows, I still can't believe that healer girl has such a low score when it is a very good anime every episode is a masterpiece song and animation so great, but how it doesn't have any male lead the people just skip this. It's hard to say, I mean anime like the promised neverland, violet evergarden, madoka magica. made in abyss or fruits basket are all anime with female mc's yet they are some of the most well praised and highly rated anime on mal. But since this is an isekai, which is a genre mostly aimed at males, what you are saying may be true to some degree. like i said, it's hard to say. |
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GalacticMagna said: Let's go out on the limb to say that, this show outright fails simply because the characters aren't interesting. Menou fails as a good MC cause she has nothing else going on her beyond "have to kill random from another world for greater good", most of them only exist for plot device (like Akari and her abilities) and has the most stereotypical traits (Momo). While the world building is decent, it doesn't have much (if any) intrigue. I guess to answer your question on why the is low, I assume because of mostly what I said. Honestly, those who say that it was because of it's not your typical Isekai I think they are lying to themselves. Normal isekais are hated enough already, with a creative premise like this it would normally be higher but it's not so it has to be because it's just not that good. That's just my hypothesis. You could say that for later on maybe, but this had a low rating from the very start. and I don't think there are many people expecting more than what the show had from ep1. most shows just focus on the concept on episode 1 anyways. so if the problem was really the lack of depth in the characters, I don't think it would be lowly rated from the very start. |
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| @Rosary_Diva I don't believe that drivel for a second, I mean there are plenty of series that has high scores and has a female main character in a all female cast New Game Gabriel Dropout Gochiusa |
GalacticMagna said: @Rosary_Diva I don't believe that drivel for a second, I mean there are plenty of series that has high scores and has a female main character in a all female cast New Game Gabriel Dropout Gochiusa Yeah, the all female cast a lot of times affects a show's popularity, but I don't think it affects the score. at least not by a big enough number to be noticed. |
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Rosary_Diva said: @GalacticMagna no sir the people dislike the show purely because "MC is girl" the first chapter was a bait that was effective with some people and since then the series was doomed. The reality is that the majority of the public in MAL is like that. this has already happened with past and current shows, I still can't believe that healer girl has such a low score when it is a very good anime every episode is a masterpiece song and animation so great, but how it doesn't have any male lead the people just skip this. It's hard to say, I mean anime like the promised neverland, violet evergarden, madoka magica. made in abyss or fruits basket are all anime with female mc's yet they are some of the most well praised and highly rated anime on mal. But since this is an isekai, which is a genre mostly aimed that males, what you are saying may be true to some degree. like i said, it's hard to say. madoka is a mahou shoujo so it always has female leads The same thing happens with fruits basket, it is a romantic shoujo that typically has girls as mc no surprises here people would never watch these series expecting a prominent male lead. made in abyss, promised neverland they are series where the female protagonists are accompanied by one or many male characters to the point that they are as relevant as herself, even people likes more Reg or Norman violet evergarden: I don't know much about it. it could be true that the fact being a isekai many thought that it would be a series with a male protagonist @Rosary_Diva I don't believe that drivel for a second, I mean there are plenty of series that has high scores and has a female main character in a all female cast New Game Gabriel Dropout Gochiusa those are moe anime no one would watch those series expecting a male lead in this. I could conclude depending on the anime genre it will attract the correct target audience and go with her expectations. |
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Rosary_Diva said: It's hard to say, I mean anime like the promised neverland, violet evergarden, madoka magica. made in abyss or fruits basket are all anime with female mc's yet they are some of the most well praised and highly rated anime on mal. But since this is an isekai, which is a genre mostly aimed that males, what you are saying may be true to some degree. like i said, it's hard to say. madoka is a mahou shoujo so it always has female leads The same thing happens with fruits basket, it is a romantic shoujo that typically has girls as mc no surprises here people would never watch these series expecting a prominent male lead. made in abyss, promised neverland they are series where the female protagonists are accompanied by one or many male characters to the point that they are as relevant as herself, even people likes more Reg or Norman violet evergarden: I don't know much about it. it could be true that the fact being a isekai many thought that it would be a series with a male protagonist @Rosary_Diva I don't believe that drivel for a second, I mean there are plenty of series that has high scores and has a female main character in a all female cast New Game Gabriel Dropout Gochiusa those are moe anime no one would watch those series expecting a male lead in this. I could conclude depending on the anime genre it will attract the correct target audience and go with her expectations. I mean those are just the popular ones: princess principal, shadows house, deca-dence, shinsekai yori, akudama drive, kino's journey, kageki shoujo, vivy, wonder egg priority, serial experiments lain, maquia, ghost in the shell, these are all highly rated shows with female mc's. and none of these are a shoujo, or a moe slice of life. except for kageki shoujo maybe, but mal says it's a seinen so idk. |
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GalacticMagna said: Let's go out on the limb to say that, this show outright fails simply because the characters aren't interesting. Menou fails as a good MC cause she has nothing else going on her beyond "have to kill random from another world for greater good", most of them only exist for plot device (like Akari and her abilities) and has the most stereotypical traits (Momo). While the world building is decent, it doesn't have much (if any) intrigue. I guess to answer your question on why the is low, I assume because of mostly what I said. Honestly, those who say that it was because of it's not your typical Isekai I think they are lying to themselves. Normal isekais are hated enough already, with a creative premise like this it would normally be higher but it's not so it has to be because it's just not that good. That's just my hypothesis. menou tried to kill only akari and she failed only twice so far so people hate her due to these shallow reasons? lol also despite getting mentally bleached, kid menou is shown to be kind enough to save dozens of orphans from becoming the next executioners. a decade later, menou doesnt even let momo to kill akari cuz she thinks killing "innocents" is not momo's job, its nobody's job except hers she's started to develop emotions towards the girl she killed twice, akari as well, I mean she's obviously not as coldblooded as people think. its even shown since episode 1 |
Apolygon2 said: Rosary_Diva said: @GalacticMagna no sir the people dislike the show purely because "MC is girl" the first chapter was a bait that was effective with some people and since then the series was doomed. The reality is that the majority of the public in MAL is like that. this has already happened with past and current shows, I still can't believe that healer girl has such a low score when it is a very good anime every episode is a masterpiece song and animation so great, but how it doesn't have any male lead the people just skip this. It's hard to say, I mean anime like the promised neverland, violet evergarden, madoka magica. made in abyss or fruits basket are all anime with female mc's yet they are some of the most well praised and highly rated anime on mal. But since this is an isekai, which is a genre mostly aimed at males, what you are saying may be true to some degree. like i said, it's hard to say. executioner is so hated simply cuz someone like mitsuki gets killed, for real in episode 1 basically triggered the whole isekai harem fanbase yuri fans dont really like executioner either cuz its pretty dark and action oriented, most of em are part of CGDCT fanbase made in abyss, promised neverland and violet arent yuri as for madoka, it has its own fanbase. magical girl fanbase, which is a big fanbase |
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GalacticMagna said: @Rosary_Diva I don't believe that drivel for a second, I mean there are plenty of series that has high scores and has a female main character in a all female cast New Game Gabriel Dropout Gochiusa those anime have their own fanbase, CGDCT fanbase they arent comparable with executioner |
Lab_Rat_0978 said: Apolygon2 said: It's hard to say, I mean anime like the promised neverland, violet evergarden, madoka magica. made in abyss or fruits basket are all anime with female mc's yet they are some of the most well praised and highly rated anime on mal. But since this is an isekai, which is a genre mostly aimed at males, what you are saying may be true to some degree. like i said, it's hard to say. executioner is so hated simply cuz someone like mitsuki gets killed, for real in episode 1 basically triggered the whole isekai harem fanbase yuri fans dont really like executioner either cuz its pretty dark and action oriented, most of em are part of CGDCT fanbase made in abyss, promised neverland and violet arent yuri as for madoka, it has its own fanbase. magical girl fanbase, which is a big fanbase yeah, that is the only thing that makes sense. although princess principal kind of breaks the thing you said about the fanbases, but then again, it's only highly praised, not popular. |
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| I think one of the easiest way of solving this is seeing what the bad reviews say about the show to see what they think is bad on it: - The first bad review basically says "it tries to be different but not in a good way", "the MC is easily unlikable" and "most of the first episode could have been cut without problems becuase it was unnecesary" - Another says "the history ruins it because it justifies murder", "it tries too hard to deceive the viewer and stand apart from other isekai" - The series is "doomed by the moe" "the characters which the plot revolves around sound like a bad writer trying to convey toxic people with BPD instead of like, a cute romantic psuedo-love-triangle" and "the author doesn't seem to understand how to convey women having a relationship. - Another is that "there isn't a single original thing outside of "What if lots of people got isekai'd?"" That is the main critique that the first page of the reviews section has. Aside from that, from people on internet I have interacted with say stuff like "it is yuri, so it is bad" "the MC is a girl so it is boring". So I guess the biggest issue for people are the characters of the show, I think they are nice, Menou and Akari's relationship doesn't seem forced after the explanation of episode 6, Momo is definitely the weakest imo but her interactions with Ashuna are fun for me (aside from Ashuna individually being fun for me already). |
Apolygon2 said: Lab_Rat_0978 said: executioner is so hated simply cuz someone like mitsuki gets killed, for real in episode 1 basically triggered the whole isekai harem fanbase yuri fans dont really like executioner either cuz its pretty dark and action oriented, most of em are part of CGDCT fanbase made in abyss, promised neverland and violet arent yuri as for madoka, it has its own fanbase. magical girl fanbase, which is a big fanbase yeah, that is the only thing that makes sense. although princess principal kind of breaks the thing you said about the fanbases, but then again, it's only highly praised, not popular. princess principal doesnt kill someone like mitsuki, thats why and also yuki kajiura, Id reckon her fanbase is singlehandedly carrying princess principal as I stated before everything changed when the fire nat-- lol everything changed when someone like mitsuki gets killed permanently |
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Ionliosite2 said: I think one of the easiest way of solving this is seeing what the bad reviews say about the show to see what they think is bad on it: - The first bad review basically says "it tries to be different but not in a good way", "the MC is easily unlikable" and "most of the first episode could have been cut without problems becuase it was unnecesary" - Another says "the history ruins it because it justifies murder", "it tries too hard to deceive the viewer and stand apart from other isekai" - The series is "doomed by the moe" "the characters which the plot revolves around sound like a bad writer trying to convey toxic people with BPD instead of like, a cute romantic psuedo-love-triangle" and "the author doesn't seem to understand how to convey women having a relationship. - Another is that "there isn't a single original thing outside of "What if lots of people got isekai'd?"" That is the main critique that the first page of the reviews section has. Aside from that, from people on internet I have interacted with say stuff like "it is yuri, so it is bad" "the MC is a girl so it is boring". So I guess the biggest issue for people are the characters of the show, I think they are nice, Menou and Akari's relationship doesn't seem forced after the explanation of episode 6, Momo is definitely the weakest imo but her interactions with Ashuna are fun for me (aside from Ashuna individually being fun for me already). the funniest thing is I think the most forced relationship in isekai history is subaru and emilia, and people still love these two and re:zero anyways I feel like the sole reason subaru fell for a random nameless elf on a random street simply cuz she's the heroine of the series, this random nameles elf also met subaru just for the sake of it (him being the MC and all) I said nameless elf cuz that time subaru didnt even know her name yet another ship with rem is pretty weird and awkward too tbh subaru is better off with roswaal, thats original, isekai anime with yaoi MC lol I would really love to watch it |
| +1 on the characters thing. While they aren't terrible at all and would be perfectly fine in any other generic isekai, I wouldn't say that they do quite enough justice to the impressive production quality and the overall intriguing concept |
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| simple, the otaku public is a fan of generic isekai, but the problem is that most of them have poor productions and very bad animation until one appears with a better than average production and becomes popular for example re: zero, shield hero, mushoku even when the story is still bad with an equally trash protagonist. The same thing happens with the harem, romcom and nekketsu are always the people favorite types of anime. but even these animes have a certain predilection on the part of the public, especially the hetero one, why series that look as awful as high score girl or the duke of the dead are still popular? people are so fanatical to ship boy-girl relationships. |
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| @Lab_Rat_0978 "princess principal doesnt kill someone like mitsuki, thats why" she absolutely does, in the very first episode in fact. I mean she does it to help the same guy's sister, which was his goal, but still. Although in this show's case she killed the self-insert mc, so It's not exactly the same. |
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Fede_5000 said: simple, the otaku public is a fan of generic isekai, but the problem is that most of them have poor productions and very bad animation until one appears with a better than average production and becomes popular for example re: zero, shield hero, mushoku even when the story is still bad with an equally trash protagonist. The same thing happens with the harem, romcom and nekketsu are always the people favorite types of anime. but even these animes have a certain predilection on the part of the public, especially the hetero one, why series that look as awful as high score girl or the duke of the dead are still popular? people are so fanatical to ship boy-girl relationships. I don't really disagree. but I think you're being a bit unfair. Re:zero certainly does more good than it does bad, and mushoku tensei is extremely well written. It's a well written billy's first dnd, but still. |
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Bikuta-san said: Let’s see. People love isekai that try to be isekai. People love generic isekai even more. Also People wanted to be in the body of the isekaid person. For Real though, The main reason might’ve been because of the first episode. The first episode introduced a male character, who most thought was gonna be the MC, after getting to know him for like 10 minutes he was killed by the female character, who was the actual MC, even though the guy did actually nothing and also wanted some revenge on the people who isekaid and threw him out. 1) The viewers were disappointed that they didn’t get the main character they want, 2) they were also disappointed they couldn’t see the guy get revenge on the nobles. 3) they were also probably angry he was killed by a girl(so after the episode they checked and found out that there’s no single male lead character, so they thought “hmm… Feminism”) Revenge stories are one of the strongest selling point in anime, that’s why most of y’all watch shield hero season 1 and liked it but hated not for season 2. People who rated it that low SIMPLY WANTED A REVENGE STORY. Yeah, as sad as it is, I think generic-mc kun's death is the main reason behind the rating. I can't say I'm surprised, but I am disappointed |
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Apolygon2 said: Fede_5000 said: simple, the otaku public is a fan of generic isekai, but the problem is that most of them have poor productions and very bad animation until one appears with a better than average production and becomes popular for example re: zero, shield hero, mushoku even when the story is still bad with an equally trash protagonist. The same thing happens with the harem, romcom and nekketsu are always the people favorite types of anime. but even these animes have a certain predilection on the part of the public, especially the hetero one, why series that look as awful as high score girl or the duke of the dead are still popular? people are so fanatical to ship boy-girl relationships. I don't really disagree. but I think you're being a bit unfair. Re:zero certainly does more good than it does bad, and mushoku tensei is extremely well written. It's a well written billy's first dnd, but still. I don't agree, re:zero has too many plot holes and conveniences to consider that it has a good script, but worse is the protagonist and his inconsistent personality that can be a comic relief, a sad sack, and a genius depending on what he needs the author in his story, which is a typical beginner's mistake to think that his protagonist must be involved in everything and for this he drastically alters his behavior. muhsoku is a generic power fantasy about an irredeemable douchebag using his physical age to take advantage of girls and groom them into becoming his wives. not a redemption story because in his econd chance he is still proud to be sex pest getting only this time he can't be a NEET because there are no computers or cup ramen and he can beat up generic thugs with his magic. |
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| @Bikuta-san thats an interesting take you have there Revenge Story it reminds me of the first time I met maboi erehn jaeger, "KILL! IM GONNA KILL ALL THE TITANS!! INCLUDING MYSELF!!!" and look how popular shingeki no kyojin hopefully shingeki no kyojin: next generation would be another revenge story, with the son of historia and farmer-kun as the MC |
Fede_5000 said: Apolygon2 said: I don't really disagree. but I think you're being a bit unfair. Re:zero certainly does more good than it does bad, and mushoku tensei is extremely well written. It's a well written billy's first dnd, but still. I don't agree, re:zero has too many plot holes and conveniences to consider that it has a good script, but worse is the protagonist and his inconsistent personality that can be a comic relief, a sad sack, and a genius depending on what he needs the author in his story, which is a typical beginner's mistake to think that his protagonist must be involved in everything and for this he drastically alters his behavior. muhsoku is a generic power fantasy about an irredeemable douchebag using his physical age to take advantage of girls and groom them into becoming his wives. not a redemption story because in his econd chance he is still proud to be sex pest getting only this time he can't be a NEET because there are no computers or cup ramen and he can beat up generic thugs with his magic. here's the problem with your argument. I think re:zero has weak writing but a great story, and mushoku has a ok story but with fantastic writing. what you did was criticizing re:zero for the writing and mushoku for the story, which to be fair, is their weak point. Yes re:zero has weak writing, plot convenience, info dumps, small yet scattered plot holes and some inconsistent characters, but it also has a world rich of history, original ideas, some well written and unique characters, extremely good design, and an engaging and thrilling plot structure. re:zero is what happened when an author who didn't have it in them tried to write a masterpiece, but couldn't pull it off. at least the anime, idk about the novel. that plus the animation, and specially directing and music, make re:zero a good (but not great) show. I think it's unfair to not see what it does right, just because it does some things wrong. mushoku tensei on the other hand, is yes still a power fantasy. like I said, it's still billy's first dnd. but that doesn't change the fact that it's well written. I'm not going to get into the moral side of things, because i think that argument is stupid, but just look at your own reply. for one show you used words like plot convenience and plot holes, and for the other you said the mc is a piece of shit. you can clearly see how one of these sounds way more subjective than the other. the mc of mushoku not being the greatest person, does not change the great world building, the extreme attention to detail, the clever plot structure, and everything else about the show. the mc is an extremely well written character. and I will say the same even if he stays a piece of shit by the very end of the story. Unlike most characters in anything, every character in mushoku has well thought out and believable character progression. there are a lot of shitty people that I love and think are good characters. Light yagami is a psycho with a god complex, yet he is one of the most loved mcs in anime. askeladd has killed many innocent people and a fan favorite character for money, yet people me included call him one of the best characters in anime, if not fiction. the point is, mushoku tensei is without argument a power fantasy with not that many original ideas, but it's the best power fantasy with not many original idea . |
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Fede_5000 said: Apolygon2 said: I don't really disagree. but I think you're being a bit unfair. Re:zero certainly does more good than it does bad, and mushoku tensei is extremely well written. It's a well written billy's first dnd, but still. I don't agree, re:zero has too many plot holes and conveniences to consider that it has a good script, but worse is the protagonist and his inconsistent personality that can be a comic relief, a sad sack, and a genius depending on what he needs the author in his story, which is a typical beginner's mistake to think that his protagonist must be involved in everything and for this he drastically alters his behavior. muhsoku is a generic power fantasy about an irredeemable douchebag using his physical age to take advantage of girls and groom them into becoming his wives. not a redemption story because in his econd chance he is still proud to be sex pest getting only this time he can't be a NEET because there are no computers or cup ramen and he can beat up generic thugs with his magic. I feel like the whole point of re:zero is just to showcase 1001 ways to hurt subaru, I feel sorry for him....I wonder when did he offend the author of re:zero tappei definitely holds a personal grudge on subaru yea, theyre not joking at all in showcasing how to take advantage of loli I heard rudeus ended up with multiple loli waifus? this dude should've gotten isekai-ed to executioner world lol I also heard rudeus is relatable, wait what...? myb yea, for instance; he is pretty relatable to someone like the mangaka of Rurouni Kenshin lol hopefully you get my joke, its embarrassing to explain a joke |
Apolygon2 said: @Lab_Rat_0978 "princess principal doesnt kill someone like mitsuki, thats why" she absolutely does, in the very first episode in fact. I mean she does it to help the same guy's sister, which was his goal, but still. Although in this show's case she killed the self-insert mc, so It's not exactly the same. yea iirc charlotte killed a random middle aged dude in episode 1, that said tho him and mitsuki are nothing alike also, the random middle aged dude in episode 1 was also a spy(?) he had a gun on him. its just a spy killed another spy |
Lab_Rat_0978 said: Ionliosite2 said: I think one of the easiest way of solving this is seeing what the bad reviews say about the show to see what they think is bad on it: - The first bad review basically says "it tries to be different but not in a good way", "the MC is easily unlikable" and "most of the first episode could have been cut without problems becuase it was unnecesary" - Another says "the history ruins it because it justifies murder", "it tries too hard to deceive the viewer and stand apart from other isekai" - The series is "doomed by the moe" "the characters which the plot revolves around sound like a bad writer trying to convey toxic people with BPD instead of like, a cute romantic psuedo-love-triangle" and "the author doesn't seem to understand how to convey women having a relationship. - Another is that "there isn't a single original thing outside of "What if lots of people got isekai'd?"" That is the main critique that the first page of the reviews section has. Aside from that, from people on internet I have interacted with say stuff like "it is yuri, so it is bad" "the MC is a girl so it is boring". So I guess the biggest issue for people are the characters of the show, I think they are nice, Menou and Akari's relationship doesn't seem forced after the explanation of episode 6, Momo is definitely the weakest imo but her interactions with Ashuna are fun for me (aside from Ashuna individually being fun for me already). the funniest thing is I think the most forced relationship in isekai history is subaru and emilia, and people still love these two and re:zero anyways I feel like the sole reason subaru fell for a random nameless elf on a random street simply cuz she's the heroine of the series, this random nameles elf also met subaru just for the sake of it (him being the MC and all) I said nameless elf cuz that time subaru didnt even know her name yet another ship with rem is pretty weird and awkward too tbh subaru is better off with roswaal, thats original, isekai anime with yaoi MC lol I would really love to watch it I wouldn't call Subaru and Emilia's relationship the most forced, there are some wild stuff around, and you yourself mentioned one more forced *cough* Subaru x Rem *cough*. They found each other because, you know,alot of stories start by "boy meets girl" which is honestly one way of starting stories. I dislike Rem and her weird simping for Subaru despite killing him before (even if it was on a different time loop), well it's not like I can say anything good about Rem less about her relationship with Subaru. But I think we aren't here to critizise Re:Zero that much and more about the strong and weak points of Shokei Shoujo. |
Rosary_Diva said: madoka is a mahou shoujo so it always has female leads The same thing happens with fruits basket, it is a romantic shoujo that typically has girls as mc no surprises here people would never watch these series expecting a prominent male lead. made in abyss, promised neverland they are series where the female protagonists are accompanied by one or many male characters to the point that they are as relevant as herself, even people likes more Reg or Norman violet evergarden: I don't know much about it. it could be true that the fact being a isekai many thought that it would be a series with a male protagonist those are moe anime no one would watch those series expecting a male lead in this. I could conclude depending on the anime genre it will attract the correct target audience and go with her expectations. I mean those are just the popular ones: princess principal, shadows house, deca-dence, shinsekai yori, akudama drive, kino's journey, kageki shoujo, vivy, wonder egg priority, serial experiments lain, maquia, ghost in the shell, these are all highly rated shows with female mc's. and none of these are a shoujo, or a moe slice of life. except for kageki shoujo maybe, but mal says it's a seinen so idk. I don't know most of these anime, but i know shows have male characters as secondary characters and none of them kill them, in the case of wonder egg or vivy, I'm sure drew attention because of the animation above all |
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| @Ionliosite2 I wouldn't call Subaru and Emilia's relationship the most forced, there are some wild stuff around, and you yourself mentioned one more forced *cough* Subaru x Rem *cough*. They found each other because, you know,alot of stories start by "boy meets girl" which is honestly one way of starting stories. I dislike Rem and her weird simping for Subaru despite killing him before (even if it was on a different time loop), well it's not like I can say anything good about Rem less about her relationship with Subaru. But I think we aren't here to critizise Re:Zero that much and more about the strong and weak points of Shokei Shoujo. thats why I said roswaal X subaru is the one have you watched re:zero season 2? its revealed that roswaal has been simping subaru the whole time, since the very the beginning subaru visibly shook when he heard roswaal's confession I like how subaru didnt seem that angery about it, has he fully awakened his inner M? given how much pain he's been through up until now, I wouldn't be surprised it reminds me of what akuma homura says to kyubey, "right now, even pain and despair feel so juicy to me" |
Lab_Rat_0978Jun 2, 2022 2:30 AM
Apolygon2 said: A show with good visuals, great music, a very interesting concepts that happens to have some info dumps and sloppy dialogue? I'm sorry but isn't that just a slightly worse re:zero?. What you described isn't even Re: Zero. As for why it doesn't hit, from what I know, people(not all) dislike the fact that the random boy introduced who wasn't even in the PV got killed. For me personally though, the characters fall flat. Which is unlike Re: Zero. Apolygon2 said: here's the problem with your argument. I think re:zero has weak writing but a great story, and mushoku has a ok story but with fantastic writing. what you did was criticizing re:zero for the writing and mushoku for the story, which to be fair, is their weak point. Yes re:zero has weak writing, plot convenience, info dumps, small yet scattered plot holes and some inconsistent characters, but it also has a world rich of history, original ideas, some well written and unique characters, extremely good design, and an engaging and thrilling plot structure. re:zero is what happened when an author who didn't have it in them tried to write a masterpiece, but couldn't pull it off. at least the anime, idk about the novel. that plus the animation, and specially directing and music, make re:zero a good (but not great) show. I think it's unfair to not see what it does right, just because it does some things wrong. mushoku tensei on the other hand, is yes still a power fantasy. like I said, it's still billy's first dnd. but that doesn't change the fact that it's well written. Its the opposite, actually. Re: Zero is the one that's better written, especially as far as the character writing goes. There are no plot holes either. And if you're speaking of "convenience", Rudeus literally had god helping him. Just gave some food to a random loli stripper who turned out to be a Demon Emperor who gave him a demon eye. Where it did lack in was the art, which was clearly a step-down from S1. In contrast, Mushoku Tensei had better art. Fede_5000 said: I don't agree, re:zero has too many plot holes and conveniences to consider that it has a good script, but worse is the protagonist and his inconsistent personality that can be a comic relief, a sad sack, and a genius depending on what he needs the author in his story, which is a typical beginner's mistake to think that his protagonist must be involved in everything and for this he drastically alters his behavior. Absolutely ridiculous claim and one that I can safely call "objectively" untrue. His "comic relief" has clearly been shown to be an act he got from his father and thought that doing so would make him the center of attention like in his childhood. And no, he's not a "genius". Stop spouting misinformation. Sure, he's a bit smarter than, say, the loops beginning from Ep 13 but that's only because he was able to calm down and think. I'm not sure if you know this but PTSD negatively affects the functioning of an individual. As for MT, I unfortunately can't defend it when the show itself uses Rudy's flaws as comedy instead of portraying it as something that must be overcome. If you can look past those obvious flaws and the fact that the show has actually been rewarding him instead of going for, well, redemption and any other flaws, you might find something to like. Lab_Rat_0978 said: the funniest thing is I think the most forced relationship in isekai history is subaru and emilia, and people still love these two and re:zero anyways I feel like the sole reason subaru fell for a random nameless elf on a random street simply cuz she's the heroine of the series, this random nameles elf also met subaru just for the sake of it (him being the MC and all) I said nameless elf cuz that time subaru didnt even know her name yet another ship with rem is pretty weird and awkward too tbh subaru is better off with roswaal, thats original, isekai anime with yaoi MC lol I would really love to watch it Would have argued about this but I then noticed you were trolling. |
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| @RioFS I would fully argue this, but I have done it before with you and failed to convince you. So I won't go into everything. that god helping rudeus does not count as convenience the same way subaru having the restart power does not count as convenience. he has the help BECAUSE he is isekaied, so it doesn't really have anything to do with convenience or chance. convenience is when plot goes in a certain direction, because the author needs it to go in that direction. For example, if rudues found the demon eye without the help of the god thingy, THAT would be plot convenient. subaru just happening to fall in love with the daughter of the witch of envy on first sight is convenient. almost always EVERYTHING going right in the final attempt of subaru's try is convenient. every single thing in rezero's story being designed for his character almost as if the world revolves around his character ark is convenient. not that god thing that is clearly the exact same as subaru's restart from the witch of envy. and about re zero not having small plot holes, I'll just give you one. You know that green hair gal that could tell if someone is lying based a mist or wind or something like that round them? the way subaru convinced her to help him fight the whale, was by saying his phone is a device that finds the whale, and she went along with it without calling him out. There are a lot of small things like that. But here's the thing, I suspect that some or maybe even all of them may be explained or not be the case in the novel, and if that's the case, I put that against rezero's anime being bad at explaining things. the info dumps certainly don't help it be free of that claim either. I won't go into why I think the writing is weak, purely because I know I'm not changing your mind. I mean most people don't even know what the difference between the writing and story really is. Re:zero is a masterpiece, on paper. so I'm not surprised many people see it in that way. And i'm not going to pretend like I don't love it, or at some point didn't feel that way about it. But then again, I still have yet to read the novel, and from what I have seen most of the people calling re zero a 10/10 are the novel readers, so Who knows maybe I'll join the light side when I read it. there is also the fact that the show has yet to finish. The ending is in my opinion the most important part of the show, so a good one can have a huge affect on my opinion about the it. |
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| @RioFS There are no plot holes either thats...110% simping for re:zero, you instantly lose all your credibility lol Would have argued about this but I then noticed you were trolling. surely you would be able to refute my irrefutable point regarding subaru emilia and rem situation, you're a simp after all you could even rival rem and her weird simping for subaru |
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