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Feb 1, 2021 8:56 PM
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After watching the first four episodes, I don't quite understand why people are saying Rudeus is OP. He started immersing himself in the arcane arts at an extremely young age. Given that he had a fear of the outside, it is likely he doesn't really have much to do.

After countless hours of practicing spells, he discovered he has a natural affinity towards magic. This excites the mother, who I believe is a mage herself. This led Rudeus' parents to invest in a tutor to further develop his magical abilities.

For the next few months, Rudeus continues to train under Roxy, the tutor. Roxy saw how fast Rudeus progressed (Most likely from his motivation, discipline, and talent).

Now if I were to relate this to real world standards:

If a child dedicate most of their time developing a skill with the help of a talented tutor, wouldn't they become extremely skilled after a couple of years? If I remember correctly, children learn much faster than adults. (source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3383816/)
ConceptualheroFeb 1, 2021 9:09 PM
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Feb 1, 2021 9:05 PM
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Rudeus is a lot stronger than the normal mage, but I don't think he's op.. If he went up against some of the monsters in the novel by himself, I think he would lose pretty quickly.
Feb 1, 2021 9:07 PM
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BigNut666 said:
Rudeus is a lot stronger than the normal mage, but I don't think he's op.. If he went up against some of the monsters in the novel by himself, I think he would lose pretty quickly.


Based on the four episodes that are currently out, we haven't really seen how Rudeus compares to the other mages out there in the world.
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Feb 1, 2021 9:17 PM
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BigNut666 said:
Rudeus is a lot stronger than the normal mage, but I don't think he's op.. If he went up against some of the monsters in the novel by himself, I think he would lose pretty quickly.


In the series, he pretty much can't beat most of the top 7 in a straight up 1v1.

Rudy is pretty well up there in the power tiers, but he is nowhere near the strongest in the series.

Feb 1, 2021 9:41 PM
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I'm only in Volume 5 of the novel. Tbh he isn't over powered, he's pretty strong as most of the characters suggest and from some of the encounters he can hold his own but he hasn't really fought anyone who can be considered actually threatening yet.
Feb 5, 2021 4:56 AM
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nah he is not OP,there is the difference
1.smart>genius/talented,this is where rudy is,quite easy to write for the author
2.OP,this is a strong character that far stronger than many other,but still understandable and not BROKEN
3.broken,most of this is ur typical trash isekai/badly writen shonen series,there is only 2 kind,
>>one is the "GOOD ONE" the most rare and the hardest to write,example saitama,alucard,they are super broken but there is a good reason for that.
>>the other one is THE BAD ONE,this is ur typical trash isekai badly written character,example,kirito,tatsuya and many other and its copycat.

so its clear rudy is just talented and smart,which make sense because he is the son of skilled swordsman and mage/healer which is his mother.
Feb 5, 2021 5:16 PM
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hoopla123 said:
BigNut666 said:
Rudeus is a lot stronger than the normal mage, but I don't think he's op.. If he went up against some of the monsters in the novel by himself, I think he would lose pretty quickly.


In the series, he pretty much can't beat most of the top 7 in a straight up 1v1.

Rudy is pretty well up there in the power tiers, but he is nowhere near the strongest in the series.



*any of the top 7 IIRC. And while it's not revealed - he'd likely lose to what, the top 100 strongest in a 1 v 1?

I think next episode even will reveal how high the power curve goes - depends on how they depict it.

Feb 5, 2021 5:27 PM
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Hamakami said:
hoopla123 said:


In the series, he pretty much can't beat most of the top 7 in a straight up 1v1.

Rudy is pretty well up there in the power tiers, but he is nowhere near the strongest in the series.



*any of the top 7 IIRC. And while it's not revealed - he'd likely lose to what, the top 100 strongest in a 1 v 1?

I think next episode even will reveal how high the power curve goes - depends on how they depict it.



I’d say he’d lose against the top 12 in the world, under the condition he can fight at his peak.
Feb 5, 2021 5:29 PM
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Put the thing in the [ spoiler] [/ spoiler] tag to hide it (without the spaces)

Edit: And you deleted the spoiler part, oh well.
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BigNut666 said:
Rudeus is a lot stronger than the normal mage, but I don't think he's op.. If he went up against some of the monsters in the novel by himself, I think he would lose pretty quickly.


No, he is definitely considered OP, both during childhood and adult stages.

[spoiler/] His mana capacity places himself as pretty much one of the strongest mages in the world, and there aren’t really any monsters capable of beating him as an adult. Of course, as a child, if monsters were to attack him out of nowhere, he might lose, but in a straight and direct fight, he would still win most of the times. [spoiler]
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Altter said:
Put the thing in the [ spoiler] [/ spoiler] tag to hide it (without the spaces)

Edit: And you deleted the spoiler part, oh well.


tried to edit it but I accidentally deleted it :P
new to this website lol
Feb 5, 2021 5:40 PM

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Rudeus is not OP !
Just from people around him / were introduces he loses vs : Ghyslaine , Paul , Roxy; and Sylphi is just as talented as him when it comes to magic since even his chantless "special" was nothing special after she learns to do it in just a few tries.

And he will meet many more people stronger than him during his journeys .

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CreativeMinds said:
Altter said:
Put the thing in the [ spoiler] [/ spoiler] tag to hide it (without the spaces)

Edit: And you deleted the spoiler part, oh well.


tried to edit it but I accidentally deleted it :P
new to this website lol


Well, you can get it here:

https://myanimelist.net/info.php?go=bbcode
Feb 5, 2021 5:49 PM
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DarknessAngel said:
Rudeus is not OP !
Just from people around him / were introduces he loses vs : Ghyslaine , Paul , Roxy; and Sylphi is just as talented as him when it comes to magic since even his chantless "special" was nothing special after she learns to do it in just a few tries.

And he will meet many more people stronger than him during his journeys .



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CreativeMinds said:
BigNut666 said:
Rudeus is a lot stronger than the normal mage, but I don't think he's op.. If he went up against some of the monsters in the novel by himself, I think he would lose pretty quickly.


No, he is definitely considered OP, both during childhood and adult stages.

[spoiler/] His mana capacity places himself as pretty much one of the strongest mages in the world, and there aren’t really any monsters capable of beating him as an adult. Of course, as a child, if monsters were to attack him out of nowhere, he might lose, but in a straight and direct fight, he would still win most of the times. [spoiler]


Monsters are a joke in this series minus Dragon Kings. Even if we do talk about a Dragon King


The real enemies are fellow humans, demon race folk, dragon race, etc. Aka humanoids.

In that regard, there are people who have much more talent and can use higher tier magic than Rudeus can.

When it comes to pure fighting capability, Rudy would get his ass handed to him by the top 7 and many others.

But magic in general is weak in 1v1/small scale battles in this series.

That's why most of the strongest are warriors/swordsmen. Put all the special sword categories (such as the demon/god swords and the Dragon King Sword), most magicians have a huge disadvantage compared to their counterparts.

Rudy def has
but his talent overall isn't as spectacular as people like


But this series, Rudy is all about teamwork and fighting to each character's strength instead of going 1v1 like other isekai. 1v1s are not his forte.
Feb 5, 2021 6:37 PM
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hoopla123 said:
CreativeMinds said:


No, he is definitely considered OP, both during childhood and adult stages.

[spoiler/] His mana capacity places himself as pretty much one of the strongest mages in the world, and there aren’t really any monsters capable of beating him as an adult. Of course, as a child, if monsters were to attack him out of nowhere, he might lose, but in a straight and direct fight, he would still win most of the times. [spoiler]


Monsters are a joke in this series minus Dragon Kings. Even if we do talk about a Dragon King


The real enemies are fellow humans, demon race folk, dragon race, etc. Aka humanoids.

In that regard, there are people who have much more talent and can use higher tier magic than Rudeus can.

When it comes to pure fighting capability, Rudy would get his ass handed to him by the top 7 and many others.

But magic in general is weak in 1v1/small scale battles in this series.

That's why most of the strongest are warriors/swordsmen. Put all the special sword categories (such as the demon/god swords and the Dragon King Sword), most magicians have a huge disadvantage compared to their counterparts.

Rudy def has
but his talent overall isn't as spectacular as people like


But this series, Rudy is all about teamwork and fighting to each character's strength instead of going 1v1 like other isekai. 1v1s are not his forte.


yes, while I do agree, many people can use higher tiers of magic. however, against those people, rudeus would most likely win due to the fact he has a larger mana pool.



now about direct 1v1
.

although, I feel like rudeus would have a lot more potential if he was capable of equipping touki
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CreativeMinds said:
hoopla123 said:


Monsters are a joke in this series minus Dragon Kings. Even if we do talk about a Dragon King


The real enemies are fellow humans, demon race folk, dragon race, etc. Aka humanoids.

In that regard, there are people who have much more talent and can use higher tier magic than Rudeus can.

When it comes to pure fighting capability, Rudy would get his ass handed to him by the top 7 and many others.

But magic in general is weak in 1v1/small scale battles in this series.

That's why most of the strongest are warriors/swordsmen. Put all the special sword categories (such as the demon/god swords and the Dragon King Sword), most magicians have a huge disadvantage compared to their counterparts.

Rudy def has
but his talent overall isn't as spectacular as people like


But this series, Rudy is all about teamwork and fighting to each character's strength instead of going 1v1 like other isekai. 1v1s are not his forte.


yes, while I do agree, many people can use higher tiers of magic. however, against those people, rudeus would most likely win due to the fact he has a larger mana pool.



now about direct 1v1
.

although, I feel like rudeus would have a lot more potential if he was capable of equipping touki


Against other pure magic only using magicians minus a few, probably can defeat in a 1v1 thanks to his arsenal


What you said regarding the magic is true but it's time he doesn't have or use sadly.

He does say that he regrets not trying to become stronger when he is older.

Also regarding that
, it was like a gangbang with Rudy and Co and even then, his


Another problem is that Rudy doesn't have the speed to match the likes of other swordsmen like the
. And they hold swords that can pierce through most defense. Even the one he "beat" in a 1v1 after chopping off the guy's hand and breaking one of his legs in like a 5v1 skirmish could easily beat him if they fought on equal terms
.

Him not being able to use touki or even better
is pretty much a huge disadvantage, that's why he works out everyday so he can at least be physically fit during fights.

Rudy is like a pure magician while the rest are either pure physical or a mix of the two. That alone puts him in a less desirable spot in a 1v1 or small scale battle with equal numbers.
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hoopla123 said:
CreativeMinds said:


yes, while I do agree, many people can use higher tiers of magic. however, against those people, rudeus would most likely win due to the fact he has a larger mana pool.



now about direct 1v1
.

although, I feel like rudeus would have a lot more potential if he was capable of equipping touki


Against other pure magic only using magicians minus a few, probably can defeat in a 1v1 thanks to his arsenal


What you said regarding the magic is true but it's time he doesn't have or use sadly.

He does say that he regrets not trying to become stronger when he is older.

Also regarding that
, it was like a gangbang with Rudy and Co and even then, his


Another problem is that Rudy doesn't have the speed to match the likes of other swordsmen like the
. And they hold swords that can pierce through most defense. Even the one he "beat" in a 1v1 after chopping off the guy's hand and breaking one of his legs in like a 5v1 skirmish could easily beat him if they fought on equal terms
.

Him not being able to use touki or even better
is pretty much a huge disadvantage, that's why he works out everyday so he can at least be physically fit during fights.

Rudy is like a pure magician while the rest are either pure physical or a mix of the two. That alone puts him in a less desirable spot in a 1v1 or small scale battle with equal numbers.



guess so. I feel like the only people in the seven great worldly powers that rudeus could defeat with MK Zero (or 3 ._.) would probably be


Feb 6, 2021 5:21 AM
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In the previous episode (I forgot what episode), he was able to cast magic without casting spells, which means he's strong enough
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Without giving away spoilers, when it comes to the strongest people in the Mushoku Tensei world, he's a bit above average. Of course he crushes any average joe, but many of the great heroes of this world could take him 1 in 1.

As a child it seems like he'll grow up to be the strongest in the world like ya normal Shonen Jump MC. But that's not the case in this story, it's as much a slice of life and him growing as a person, than it is about him becoming this worlds Goku who saves everyone from evil.
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Without giving away spoilers, when it comes to the strongest people in the Mushoku Tensei world, he's above average but he's not some unbeatable OP MC. Of course he crushes any average joe, but many of the great heroes of this world could take him 1on1.

As a child it seems like he'll grow up to be the strongest in the world like ya normal Shonen Jump MC. But that's not the case in this story, it's as much a slice of life and him growing as a person, than it is about him becoming this worlds Goku who saves everyone from evil.
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Without giving away spoilers, when it comes to the strongest people in the Mushoku Tensei world, he's a bit above average. Of course he crushes any average joe, but many of the great heroes of this world could take him 1 in 1.

As a child it seems like he'll grow up to be the strongest in the world like ya normal Shonen Jump MC. But that's not the case in this story, it's as much a slice of life and him growing as a person, than it is about him becoming this worlds Goku who saves everyone from evil.
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Did you create an alt just to post this under a 4 year old thread?? Sheesh, the MT fans...
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Did you create an alt just to post this under a 4 year old thread?? Sheesh, the MT fans...
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Holy, I just got a notification and was wondering how old the thread was... Jeez lol
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