| I'm far from being a fan of this "boys love" genre but after see my wife watching it on bilibili (i imagine how high is the % of the female audience overall), and check it on MAL, great was my surprise: For the very first time: - A Donghua is the best scored entry of a Season. - An ONA is the best scored entry of a Season. - The best scored Donghua or ONA overall. - The second place in these categories is Mo Dao Zu Shi, which is a similar story from the same Novel author Mo Xiang Tong Xiu. It in resume shows the power of the hype of "Shounen Ai/Yaoi" fans. Noteworthy in the registers of this community. |
Rob7Dec 6, 2020 6:31 AM
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| Idk if MAL is good choice to judge whether this show well received on international or not, so far from what I know most of TGCF international fans always camping on yt and twt.... MAL aside, TGCF did very well received even on china despite it being about BL(boys love), In 24 hours TGCF has raked in 27 million views from it's 2 episodes. It has the 4th highest views of all bilibili donghua for the entire month of October. TGCF also hit 100 million views across the first 5 episodes in less than a month, the earliest ever record of 100 million views on bilibili only. You can say TGCF is quite a phenomenon in there. This how they even launch the TGCF donghua https://twitter.com/cuchallain/status/1322175133797199872?s=20 Recently the donghua team also hired out a bus with TGCF pic to tour all over the place in there. TGCF donghua definitely got special treatment from the team, i mean they know very well how popular & loved the novel is in there by the fans. I can say the hype its not only because its shonen-ai/the power of BL, theres many BL/sho-ai anime or show out there but neither of them hit this much hype and record despite having the same genre. Maybe its also because of MXTX effect?? she always making interesting story🤔 she also has massive loyal fans(novel reader), though svsss donghua rating its not that hit compared to her other 2 works(mdzs & tgcf) eventhough its from the same author...either because its 3d that put many ppl off or the low budget, idk. In the end its back again to how its all about the story, how good or interesting the story is. I think novel reader playing huge role too, many of the fans already read the novel thats why they already know how the story goes and can't be helped hyped about it, the donghua also pretty close/faithful adapting the original source is one of reason why it's getting the high marks from fans. Having BL genre doesnt always guarantee it will be hit or got massive hype. I think TGCF gained many fans because the story itself not focused on the fact that it's bl novel. Rather its about how deep the love goes, the love story between the main lead is that touched many fans. I can confidently say even if they changes one of main leads as girl it will be as popular as its or even more popular lol... if they follow how the tgcf story goes, fans still gonna find their love/bond touching doesnt matter if its male/male, girl/girl, male/girl. Even if you took the romance it still has a great story and great moral message. So far thats what i know, someone please correct me if some of my info are wrong. Also your wife have a great taste! |
Strawberry_waltzDec 6, 2020 10:33 AM
Chi_Catsidhe said: In the end its back again to how its all about the story, how good or interesting the story is. I think novel reader playing huge role too, many of the fans already read the novel thats why they already know how the story goes and can't be helped hyped about it, the donghua also pretty close/faithful adapting the original source is one of reason why it's getting the high marks from fans. Having BL genre doesnt always guarantee it will be hit or got massive hype. I think TGCF gained many fans because the story itself not focused on the fact that it's bl novel. Rather its about how deep the love goes, the love story between the main lead is that touched many fans. I can confidently say even if they changes one of main leads as girl it will be as popular as its or even more popular lol... if they follow how the tgcf story goes, fans still gonna find their love/bond touching doesnt matter if its male/male, girl/girl, male/girl. Even if you took the romance it still has a great story and great moral message. Interesting that you touch up on the gender thing. I myself consider Xie Lian to be possibly bi, simply because to me, he would have fallen for his most devoted believer whether they were a man or woman. Also for the fact he never denies or confirms he dislikes females either. But since this is BL material, of course his beloved is another male, and there is nothing wrong with that. |
| I was non BL fan and non novel reader MDZS , i watched MDZS because the story not a BL element, then i read TGCF novel and i like it so much because of the story and even love the BL element later, because BL element in TGCF make the story more interesting. Only MDZS and TGCF gained high score in MAL but not Scumbag System, the 3 of them came from Mo Xiang Tong Xiu author. sorry my English bad. |
LadyYuina said: Yeah, i think the same way too, but maybe Xie Lian in his 17yo self naive crown prince would think different about that...maybe he still have preference?...idk.......But in his 800 yo circumstance now and how he growth & matured from all the things/shit he have been through, gender doesnt mean anything to him, he couldn't care less about gender imo. But knowing he studied cultivation at young age that banned him to drink alcohol or engage in adultery, since his way of cultivation focuses more on purity, abstinence, and denial of worldly pleasures he definitely couldnt care less about having love partner either way regardless what his age, moreover thinking about gender preference, having love partner probably not even in his mind & not his goal at first(but we know that changed later lol) because worldly things just gonna break the whole abstinence thing and make Xie Lian weaker but that's it. No major effects..i think?Chi_Catsidhe said: In the end its back again to how its all about the story, how good or interesting the story is. I think novel reader playing huge role too, many of the fans already read the novel thats why they already know how the story goes and can't be helped hyped about it, the donghua also pretty close/faithful adapting the original source is one of reason why it's getting the high marks from fans. Having BL genre doesnt always guarantee it will be hit or got massive hype. I think TGCF gained many fans because the story itself not focused on the fact that it's bl novel. Rather its about how deep the love goes, the love story between the main lead is that touched many fans. I can confidently say even if they changes one of main leads as girl it will be as popular as its or even more popular lol... if they follow how the tgcf story goes, fans still gonna find their love/bond touching doesnt matter if its male/male, girl/girl, male/girl. Even if you took the romance it still has a great story and great moral message. Interesting that you touch up on the gender thing. I myself consider Xie Lian to be possibly bi, simply because to me, he would have fallen for his most devoted believer whether they were a man or woman. Also for the fact he never denies or confirms he dislikes females either. But since this is BL material, of course his beloved is another male, and there is nothing wrong with that. Lets be honest tho, even if they changed one of the main leads on tgcf into opposite gender, the love story still beautiful and touching, i still can see female watcher being hyped about it, in the end most of TGCF stan stay because of the story not just because its BL. Different case if you changed one of the main lead of other BL show/anime into opposite gender, def gonna effecting the show & the dynamic of the main couple as whole, since most of it always focused on their sexual tension as the same gender and how its potrayed as taboo, that sparks interest on some ppl, if that element is gone it def will make it less interesting... "oh, its just your typical straight couple being lovey dovey" etc, maybe the story still good/gonna work but the impact & the hype from the female watcher is definitely gonna gone imo. Different case with TGCF, you can still feel how touching the love and interesting the story is even if the main couple not male/male.... idk how to put it.....TGCF just HITS different than other BL anime i've ever read & watched. |
Strawberry_waltzDec 6, 2020 8:48 PM
LadyYuina said: I myself consider Xie Lian to be possibly bi, simply because to me, he would have fallen for his most devoted believer whether they were a man or woman. Also for the fact he never denies or confirms he dislikes females either. But since this is BL material, of course his beloved is another male, and there is nothing wrong with that. We can only speculate about either main character's sexual orientation, I think - but I personally interpret Xie Lian as being on the ace spectrum. Also, I have to agree that the main appeal of Tian Guan Ci Fu (and Mo Dao Zu Shi) is not the fact that it's BL. Although the main relationships of both works are significant, the overall plot is much broader than just that. Both works encompass large casts of complex characters; numerous platonic relationships that are arguably as interesting as the main ones in their own way; and themes that force the reader to grapple with difficult societal and ethical questions. I've read/watched a fair amount of BL/yaoi (and GL/yuri) - most of which I've found to be either been mediocre or awful. TGCF and MDZS are not flawless by any means, but I'm willing to overlook the things I don't like about it because the characters, relationships, and plot just really work for me as a whole. The fact that they feature same-sex couples are just a bonus for me. (I've also read MXTX's earliest work, The Scum Villain's Self-Saving System, but it just didn't appeal to me in the same way at all. I know it has a fair number of enthusiastic fans as well, but there was too much about the main relationship I didn't enjoy, and I'm not Chinese or fluent in Chinese, so the fact that much of its humor relies on a familiarity with the Chinese web novel subculture made it a more tedious read.) |
| The series was botted with 10's (and 1's) by Novel readers, so the score isn't accurate. |
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taezel said: wait, where did you hear that the director planning for third season? :OFrom a viewer standpoint I'd say the show is okay, but you won't be able to understand some references (the novel is like 250 chapters) of course they can't fit the whole plot in just one season and apparently the donghua director is planning to go even for a third season, But i think even third season still wont be enough to adapt all of the novel arc, at least we need 8 season of tgcf in total (if they goes for 11 episode again) for the donghua to do the novel adaptation justice. |
taezel said: thanks, haven't seen that interview. Well, im gratefull if they try to keep story loyal to the novel, just hoping the quality wont drop again or even below than what we get now. I think what they need the most is more time to finished the project, 1 years is not enough for 1 season (knowing they struggle w season 1 and run out of time), at least they will need 2+ more years...the things some fans want to get season 2 as fast as possible, and here im just wish they dont rush things out and just do what they can at their pace, I can wait patiently for new season tgcf, waiting 2+ years its no prob, HC can wait XL for 800 years why can't i wait few years for new tgcf?lolollol as long they do justice to the novel waiting 2-3 years is worth it XDDDStrawberry_waltz said: wait, where did you hear that the director planning for third season? :O But i think even third season still wont be enough to adapt all of the novel arc, at least we need 8 season of tgcf in total (if they goes for 11 episode again) for the donghua to do the novel adaptation justice. He did an interview (which is pretty long) about the anime and in the second question mentions that. Reading it you can see how much effort the director has made to keep the story loyal to the novel. Ofc 3 seasons wouldn't be enough, we don't know how far will they go with this project but either way here's the link: https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/EX7FDZ92t5iGYYL6teTXRw |
Strawberry_waltzDec 30, 2020 10:25 PM
| As someone already said, MAL scores can be manipulated with bots and fake accounts. If you look at the old thread in this forum for this anime, you'll learn that there were fake reviews for this ONA (I checked it out myself and that's true in my opinion after looking at the user-profiles), so if some people tried to promote this anime with fake reviewers it's not far stretched to think they also manipulate the scores with fake accounts or bots. The anime is good though, I think, but its score on MAL is probably not "natural". |
Ysad_Ziwezhan said: https://myanimelist.net/anime/40730/Tian_Guan_Ci_Fu/statsAs someone already said, MAL scores can be manipulated with bots and fake accounts. If you look at the old thread in this forum for this anime, you'll learn that there were fake reviews for this ONA (I checked it out myself and that's true in my opinion after looking at the user-profiles), so if some people tried to promote this anime with fake reviewers it's not far stretched to think they also manipulate the scores with fake accounts or bots. The anime is good though, I think, but its score on MAL is probably not "natural". looking at the graph there seem to be a unusual large spike for 10's but you have something similar for LotGH aswell: https://myanimelist.net/anime/820/Ginga_Eiyuu_Densetsu/stats Either way I think the 5.3% 1/10 ratings pull the score down more than the 10/10 boosters as half of all those 10/10's effectively only work to counteract the 1's And no the 1's aren't natural, they are a result of hitting high ratings |
You're right obviously, the 1 aren't natural either. If I had to guess, I would say 200 of the 1 and one thousand of the 10 are fake. Just guessing from the curve. LotGH doesn't have the same 7 , 8 , 9 curve as TGCF though so it's not as similar as you said. It's important to look at the curve to detect anomalies / estimate the error. |
Ysad_Ziwezhan said: yes, the vote difference between the 9 and 8 in relation to the 8 and 7 makes the 10 graph look more skewed compared to LotGH but it's the same principle. This series had a lot of underground hype from diehard fans of the novel and previous work of the author so a bias towards 10 is quite natural in this case. There are likely some fake 10 votes but I highly doubt they influence the rating more than the fake negative ratings.You're right obviously, the 1 aren't natural either. If I had to guess, I would say 200 of the 1 and one thousand of the 10 are fake. Just guessing from the curve. LotGH doesn't have the same 7 , 8 , 9 curve as TGCF though so it's not as similar as you said. It's important to look at the curve to detect anomalies / estimate the error. |
| Oh, knock it off. The only reason it's ranked high is because only people who already like it are watching and rating it. Look at the numbers: less then 50k. MAL's voting system is completely bogus. No, this isn't a masterpiece. |
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| Ooh, more fake scores on MAL. Yeah, totally a symbol of China's rise in the world. 50 dollars' worth of bots sure is something impressive. |
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