| Though there are many speculations in general discussion, about what we just saw in episode 2, I believe this requires a separate thread, since too many people seem to be confused about things. I'm one of these people and here's my speculation on the matter: 1)What we saw in episode 1, the war, the fighting, it's real as we're told from the start - but things don't seem to be REAL for everybody!!! The Earth really is in ruin, but there is some "outer" force that is in control of everything, both humans and monsters. 2)Monsters are/have to be real - meaning they are not some pixels in the game, but have physical form, flesh, blood and so on. I speculate that these monsters drove humanity to extinction, but then we got saved by Aliens or some kind of advanced AI. 3)There are "players" who may or may not be actual humans. They can "die" while fighting the monsters, but they can "respawn" instead of actually dying - meaning their physical bodies are probably somewhere else; It's possible that they're "plugged" to some VR-like devices for "possible-eternity" and in order not to die, they do ranking battles, kill monsters and fuel their avatars as well as the aliens or whoever. Some seem to be working willingly for the company, and some are forced to do this job in order to survive, or perhaps that's simply their ordinary job, but most do it simply for the entertainment as we're told from the start. These fake humans may be aliens, AI, or enslaved humans - or maybe all of them combined!!! 4)The male MC - Kaburagi - is apparently not REAL human (maybe he was once, but no longer), meaning if he dies outside Deca-Dence - he can simply get a different body made of flesh and bones, a new name and start over - unless they refuse not to, and get "scrapped" and die for real (meaning their physical bodies - wherever they are - die from fatigue perhaps - after no longer receiving fuel). Just like this male MC, there are many similar FAKE humans, who walk among REAL humans. 5)There are REAL humans - made of flesh and blood, just like MC girl - Natsume. Real humans are said to be endangered species - and, apparently they are even fewer in numbers than it seems (since, as we figured out, many humans are FAKE like Kaburagi, and pretend to be real humans for various reasons). The REAL humans apparently DON'T know about FAKE humans, and will die, or - get hurt for good in battles - since that's how real life works, duh...! Meanwhile, FAKE humans respawn and don't even feel pain (unless they use cheat-code apparently). The REAL humans seem to be just as naive as the viewers were after seeing the first episode - thinking that humans are fighting monsters and that's the whole story. Humans also seem to have CHIPS in them and are monitored by AI or aliens or whoever's in charge - meaning, humans are slaves just like in the Matrix. Though for some reason, this "alien" organization preserves whatever's left of mankind - Meaning - a)they don't want us to go extinct, b)are unable to do certain things without us, c)they don't believe that we're actually slaves. believing that this entire charade is essential for the survival of human race (hiding the truth is part of it since many would not accept it; rebel against it' cause chaos and unrest - after all, Deca-Dence is relatively safe place). If these humans find out "the truth", or go against the system - they get killed off, though our MC is an exception since she apparently has no chip and system considers her DEAD - though i'm curious how this wasn't found out before??? - Though i'm also sure we'll find that out once they explain how she survived after her hand was amputated and so on. Please post your interpretations and speculations to fill the gaps perhaps? |
| Here is my complentary theory about what we have seen on episode 2. The world and the things we watched on episode 1 are real but as we have seen on the start of the second episode a great portion of the world is encapsulated in this environment where humans were decimated by the monsters. But this capsulated reality (like the one we see on Rahxephon) is like a playground for some kind of alien race that uses it to play their game where they inserted those monsters and those real physical "avatars", everything controled by some kind of system (an alternative alien version of a server and program that runs the game online), so it uses a real environment instead of a virtual reality. The avatars are physical drones that similar to on a game they exist to be the representation and interface within the game world, but in this case the avatars have their own life, existence and conciusness beyond of what the alien(not visible) players can see sustained by the system. And since that system that works only for running the game as expected, anything that breaks the order of what can be done and who can be inside the game is treated a bug threat but since they are using our planet with it's own variables and environment it just simply can't delet the bugs, it has to send some agent to eliminate those bugs. In resume, the encapsulated environment created by aliens over the Earth is just a playground they imposed over our own environment and life just for the purpose of running their game, and everything else that doesn't serve to keep running the game is disposable. |
| Based on only two eps it seems that the anime subscribes to the zoo hypothesis. In this case humanity may be either just cattle or, given how rare humans are in that world, peculiar specimen thrown into nature reserve for amusement of technologically the vastly superior faction. |
| im guessing that real humans like Natsume are rare and the ones playing the deca-dence game are dimensional aliens (that uses capitalism lol) perhaps by how cartoony they look so they might have invaded earth long time ago and made humanity almost extinct and now they made the game deca-dence somewhere in the real earth world named eurasia (europe+asia continent in history right) or maybe the cartoony aliens are actually once real humans that become digitalize (digital immortality aka mind uploading to a computer world) and made a cyberpunk cyber digital world where a megacorporation (aka capitalism again) made the deca-dence game for just entertainment to sometimes make the cyber beings experience reality it reminds me of the anime movie Expelled From Paradise with a loose theme of "humans become AI while AI become humans" i got this ideas from the hints on the episode about the game deca-dence is not a virtual world but its a location in eurasia on earth also they mention humans are implanted by chips so i guess that is where they do mind uploading to have a human body and maybe Natsume is born naturally thats why she does not have a chip but that means she is clearly a bug too that way since all things that gives trouble to the deca-dence system is a bug they say |
| It's a LOT of information for one episode, but it was explained pretty clearly. Alien remote control human to farm for the liquid which they need to survive. Bugs refer to human they cannot control properly. |
| So... In a nutshell, sentient alien robots destroyed most of the world and with the last scrap of humanity as “Peaceful Villagers”, they set up a reverse VMMORPG over EuroAsia kinda like a take on a creepy Twilight Zone episode. The monsters being Hostile Mobs. Then a bunch of TRON/SAO thrown in for spice? So the reality the humans are in is a captive false reality as part of the game. |
| Aliens/robots play as gear's to fight monsters, but what are these gear's? Real humans, clones or? The real humans are the tankers? they have some kind of chip which is controlling humans to help the gear's or what is these chip's purpose? |
| Anime: *clearly explains the setting in an exposition dump* Watchers: I hAvE a tHeOrY |
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| The twist I was expecting: We WhErE pIlOtInG aLiEnS aLl AlOnG The twist I got: We where watching sword art online all along. |
| heh. |
poiuytrewq said: I get it, there is no game the humans and monster are real actual meat and blood being, it is real life. I just tougth about SAO because it is a situation where the "players" are basically enslaved by the "game" but this time the players are actually robots an the game is some strange body stealing imoral... thing.Clearly you are not watching the same show. Its not a virtual world. That part of the reveal is definitely evident by the fact either side can die and the "game" is just a facade. |
| heh. |
Sigmar-Unberogen said: Though there are many speculations in general discussion, about what we just saw in episode 2, I believe this requires a separate thread, since too many people seem to be confused about things. I'm one of these people and here's my speculation on the matter: 1)What we saw in episode 1, the war, the fighting, it's real as we're told from the start - but things don't seem to be REAL for everybody!!! The Earth really is in ruin, but there is some "outer" force that is in control of everything, both humans and monsters. 2)Monsters are/have to be real - meaning they are not some pixels in the game, but have physical form, flesh, blood and so on. I speculate that these monsters drove humanity to extinction, but then we got saved by Aliens or some kind of advanced AI. 3)There are "players" who may or may not be actual humans. They can "die" while fighting the monsters, but they can "respawn" instead of actually dying - meaning their physical bodies are probably somewhere else; It's possible that they're "plugged" to some VR-like devices for "possible-eternity" and in order not to die, they do ranking battles, kill monsters and fuel their avatars as well as the aliens or whoever. Some seem to be working willingly for the company, and some are forced to do this job in order to survive, or perhaps that's simply their ordinary job, but most do it simply for the entertainment as we're told from the start. These fake humans may be aliens, AI, or enslaved humans - or maybe all of them combined!!! 4)The male MC - Kaburagi - is apparently not REAL human (maybe he was once, but no longer), meaning if he dies outside Deca-Dence - he can simply get a different body made of flesh and bones, a new name and start over - unless they refuse not to, and get "scrapped" and die for real (meaning their physical bodies - wherever they are - die from fatigue perhaps - after no longer receiving fuel). Just like this male MC, there are many similar FAKE humans, who walk among REAL humans. 5)There are REAL humans - made of flesh and blood, just like MC girl - Natsume. Real humans are said to be endangered species - and, apparently they are even fewer in numbers than it seems (since, as we figured out, many humans are FAKE like Kaburagi, and pretend to be real humans for various reasons). The REAL humans apparently DON'T know about FAKE humans, and will die, or - get hurt for good in battles - since that's how real life works, duh...! Meanwhile, FAKE humans respawn and don't even feel pain (unless they use cheat-code apparently). The REAL humans seem to be just as naive as the viewers were after seeing the first episode - thinking that humans are fighting monsters and that's the whole story. Humans also seem to have CHIPS in them and are monitored by AI or aliens or whoever's in charge - meaning, humans are slaves just like in the Matrix. Though for some reason, this "alien" organization preserves whatever's left of mankind - Meaning - a)they don't want us to go extinct, b)are unable to do certain things without us, c)they don't believe that we're actually slaves. believing that this entire charade is essential for the survival of human race (hiding the truth is part of it since many would not accept it; rebel against it' cause chaos and unrest - after all, Deca-Dence is relatively safe place). If these humans find out "the truth", or go against the system - they get killed off, though our MC is an exception since she apparently has no chip and system considers her DEAD - though i'm curious how this wasn't found out before??? - Though i'm also sure we'll find that out once they explain how she survived after her hand was amputated and so on. Please post your interpretations and speculations to fill the gaps perhaps? Explained in ep 3: |
deg said: or maybe the cartoony aliens are actually once real humans that become digitalize (digital immortality aka mind uploading to a computer world) and made a cyberpunk cyber digital world where a megacorporation (aka capitalism again) made the deca-dence game for just entertainment to sometimes make the cyber beings experience reality err ye confirmed in episode 3 the story is moving fast |
Battlesentory said: So some humans are real(ill say most of them after watching ep05). Gadoll aŕe generated by the drone people in the real world,they write the storyline for the "real humans".the question is why? They are on eurasian land where humanity lives bcs pollution stuff around the world. Humanity is owned but some corporation. This is far as i understand this story,we dont know why it is game for others and how things ended up that way.dont understand the world with drones everywhere and having a profitable day. I dont really like making theories bcs most of the time their wrong,so ill just wait and see.the story is definitely interesting but what i fear is that since many do not understand the elements of the story they may miss out on the plot too which i think is going to be interesting. all humans (tankers) are real. gears (avatars) are cyborgs. everything about gadolls will be explained later, probably. the same goes with the corporation, why they do the things they do and everything. at least I hope that most things will be explained properly. |
ame-furiAug 10, 2020 4:37 AM
ame-furi said: correction: there's a small minority of gears that are humans but yeah, most of them are the avatarsBattlesentory said: So some humans are real(ill say most of them after watching ep05). Gadoll aŕe generated by the drone people in the real world,they write the storyline for the "real humans".the question is why? They are on eurasian land where humanity lives bcs pollution stuff around the world. Humanity is owned but some corporation. This is far as i understand this story,we dont know why it is game for others and how things ended up that way.dont understand the world with drones everywhere and having a profitable day. I dont really like making theories bcs most of the time their wrong,so ill just wait and see.the story is definitely interesting but what i fear is that since many do not understand the elements of the story they may miss out on the plot too which i think is going to be interesting. all humans (tankers) are real. gears (avatars) are cyborgs. everything about gadolls will be explained later, probably. the same goes with the corporation, why they do the things they do and everything. at least I hope that most things will be explained properly. |
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DatRandomDude said: ame-furi said: correction: there's a small minority of gears that are humans but yeah, most of them are the avatarsall humans (tankers) are real. gears (avatars) are cyborgs. everything about gadolls will be explained later, probably. the same goes with the corporation, why they do the things they do and everything. at least I hope that most things will be explained properly. yeah, that would be correct. |
| Matrix and Avatar plot? |
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