| I'm serious. I heard such reviews so often before personal viewing that it even motivated me to watch it. Hell, ANN literally hated it, calling the anime another example of the Madonna and Whore complex. And so I watched this show, and I can’t understand what caused this reaction. Maybe this is due to the fact that I am a man or skeptical about the third wave of feminism, but I still do not understand. Title does not say that all women should be pure and innocent, it does not engage in slut shaming or condemning sexuality. In the end, the show always showed that Ai was bad because of her actions and motivation, and not because she seduces people, albeit in a rather weird way. It doesn't concern any aspects of femininity at all, except that the main villain is a woman. Personally, I saw the idea of work more as a demonstration of the Overton window and satire on people who perceive moral principles as dogmas, without thinking about their meaning. |
RobertBobertFeb 19, 2020 2:56 PM
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| Maybe they completely forgot that the show itself is literally referencing her akin to the Whore of Babylon, and just noted that woman using her seductiveness (if that's really the case we don't properly see it) to make people kill themselves = misogynistic |
 'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
Short_Circut said: Maybe they completely forgot that the show itself is literally referencing her akin to the Whore of Babylon, and just noted that woman using her seductiveness (if that's really the case we don't properly see it) to make people kill themselves = misogynistic Well, many negative reviews were repelled by the fact that portraying sexual attractiveness as a weapon of mass destruction means portraying female sexuality as dangerous. But should we then imply that portraying political power and physical strength as the main weapon of a male villain is hatred of men? If the villain is French, is it francophobia? Yes, if you wish, you can draw such a conclusion, but the show always speaks about the danger of Ai herself and her intentions, and not the danger of femininity as such. |
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| Just people with no imagination and a bit dumb. Same people that complain about too much ecchi in a ecchi anime which airs late night. |
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| People are just dumb and they see they see only the surface. The Whore of Babylon is symbolic to the one mentioned in the Bible, and there's a reason why she acts that way. Tentila did a good video explaining this I think around 3:30 or so where it explains the parallels. |
| I don't get why so many people are pointing out the WoB 'parallels' (they're so explicit I'd argue that Ai's character is more of a direct reference to the idea of the WoB rather than a distinct character with certain similarities, but that's neither here nor there) as if that negates all potential criticism of misogyny. I think there's a strong argument to be made that the WoB is an expression of a misogynistic archetype, which affects the ideological character of the show. To be honest, I don't think Babylon is coherent enough or important enough to spend any significant amount of time and energy on that discussion myself, but it's a totally valid avenue for discourse. |
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| ANN was not that place who said once that FSN was misoginistic, as FZ was "feministic"? Many lulzworthy. Urobuchi portrayed Artoria entire ideals as naivetess of a innocent girl, and shat on her in the banquet of kings scene. Meanwhile, in FSN...what misoginy? Shirou was an ass towards her in her route sometimes (hurr durr, gals cant fight), but 1-he was a virgin teenager from Japan and 2-plot actually punished him everytime he acted based on such dumb things (Medusa in 2 routes almost chopped his limbs off because he was full retarded on "is a hot girl dressed very sexy, she probs not the big deal, like the others, amirite?"). If the villain is French, is it francophobia? Yes, if you wish, you can draw such a conclusion, but the show always speaks about the danger of Ai herself and her intentions, and not the danger of femininity as such. You're right, and those people are just slow. They are also probably americans...Not wanting to incentivize hatred towards any nation, but god, many of their millenials and zoomers clearly lost some screws in the last half-a-decade. From the professional problematizers on the left to the "based cultur warz bois" on the right. |
FabrisMar 6, 2020 5:57 PM
| FGO NA Code: 482.072.599 (F2P thug life of savings...) Ben-to! best nonsensical action anime. Ever. |
| @Fabris I did not read their reviews on the original Fate, but I remember how they screamed loudly that Waver was gay, because they were afraid that people might perceive his celibacy as belonging to the incels. |
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