| Blade of the Immortal is one of my favourite manga, the thought of it animated is both exciting and scary. I think my greatest fear is that it will ultimately descend into filler hell due to overtaking the manga, or even worse go the way of Gantz and just end abruptly due to stupid producers not realising how hardcore the source material is. So what do you guys think? Are they going to do the adaptation justice? I'm not much of a fan of Bee Train and looking at their filmography, BotI sticks out like a sore thumb. I've seen Noir, Madlax, El Cazador de la Bruja, and .Hack//Sign. They're all passable stories, though at least the animation quality was good. Excited and wary I am. |
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| When I read an article the other day about the Blade of the Immortal being released as an anime this summer, I thought I was dreaming. Clicking the link I myself became wary reading that Beetrain was behind this. Now after reading your post, I have to admit that you have scared the beejezus out of me. Blade of Immortal is an incredible manga (coincidentally the only manga I collect) and I only hope that Beetrain takes advantage of their source material. I assume from your thread that the Gantz manga is really good. I remember watching the first 2 or 3 episodes and I just wasn’t very impressed. Hopefully the story doesn’t get slaughtered and they don't disappoint me. My fingers are crossed. |
| The only thing we've got to placate us is that all they have to do is look at the manga and keep up their admittedly decent animation quality. But time and time again I've seen studios just mess up manga adaptations. I mean how hard can it be? Its already story boarded for you! The main reasons are usually dicated by form rather than content though, producers have to worry about viewers, sponsers, budget, etc. Gantz: I just dont know wtf happened, I dont know why they bothered to begin with if they werent going to follow the manga. My theory is that the witless producers, the one's holding the purse strings, just didnt even look at the manga and see just how unbeliveably crazy it gets, until it was too late to halt production, so they just got some freelance writers to write lame filler arcs and make the show descend into mediocrity. I bring up Gantz in the first place because there's the aspect of violence that may or may not be this anime's downfall. They shouldnt attempt an adaptation unless they're willing to adapt everything, and especially in Blade of the Immortal its not usually violence for violence's sake, but there's the whole complex issue of revenge that, if they reduce the violence, it not only makes the authenticity of samurai era Japan evaporate; not only robs BotI of its charm (yes, some of the violence is so over the top I find it charming) but the story suffers, and the story is why they're bothering to adapt it in the first place, I would hope. Jeez, I just went on a ramble. I think bottom line: Bee Train doesnt inspire confidence. If it were Production I.G, I would be soiling my pants in anticipation. |
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| Bee Train...D: Expectation level just plummeted. |
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| Well, but it does look really good in the trailer. I guess BeeTrain is about to raise their quality standards. I would really want to see what Mashimo does with a high budget. Maybe I could start liking his directing style. |
Cihan said: Blade of the Immortal is one of my favourite manga, the thought of it animated is both exciting and scary. I think my greatest fear is that it will ultimately descend into filler hell due to overtaking the manga, or even worse go the way of Gantz and just end abruptly due to stupid producers not realising how hardcore the source material is. Hmmm...I haven't started much on the manga (its definitely on my to-do list before the anime releases) but I was under the impression that Blade of the Immortal was already underway in its final volume or final arc, so theoretically, there really shouldn't be any fillers whatsoever. Granted, given that it's Bee Train and given their track record (especially with Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle), you definitely need to be in fear of how much they may edit out that "hardcore-ness" for younger viewers. Let's hope they aim this to the more older demographic group. |
Hmmm...I haven't started much on the manga (its definitely on my to-do list before the anime releases) but I was under the impression that Blade of the Immortal was already underway in its final volume or final arc, so theoretically, there really shouldn't be any fillers whatsoever. Really? If so, thats great. All I know is that it takes ages for a volume to be scanned, and the manga has been released via Dark Horse at a very slow rate, so its cool to know that its finally coming to an end. Havent seen the trailer for this either, think I'll go hunt it down... |
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Cihan said: I think bottom line: Bee Train doesnt inspire confidence. If it were Production I.G, I would be soiling my pants in anticipation. Funny I was thinking for a moment ManGlobe or Gonzo but now that you mention it Production I.G would work it even better. BOTI has a lot of violence I would hate to see it sanitized for lack of funds. I really never expected this to be picked up by a studio like Bee Train. I just watched the trailer and to me it looked decent. I wasn’t blown away though. I guess I just have to wait because it can’t be helped anyway. Hope they make me feel stupid. =) Cihan said: if they reduce the violence, it not only makes the authenticity of samurai era Japan evaporate; not only robs BotI of its charm (yes, some of the violence is so over the top I find it charming) but the story suffers. I think the dialogue during the sword fights or post-sword fights is what makes it charming, “Rin can you hand me my leg over there?” Classic. |
RunScout said: I think the dialogue during the sword fights or post-sword fights is what makes it charming, “Rin can you hand me my leg over there?” Classic. Hah, yeah, the dialogue is a big part of it too. In each volume published by Dark Horse they have a note about how the author's use of dialogue is a mix of old samurai era style and modern day slang. |
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| Just saw the trailer (well a clip of a TV showing the trailer) and from what I would make it it did look pretty good. Character designs were nice and at least the blood was red. I'm feeling a bit better about the whole thing. Now my only main worries are just the usual story issues that come with every adaptation and whether they can keep the animation quality consistent. If the manga is really finishing soon, I'll feel even better as the 'overtaking manga' worry can disappear. |
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| Are you talking about this ? If this is it, I'm pretty disappointed because it is typical Bee Train "four drawings = a whole scene". I thought it was lazily animated and the faux-3D was kind of cheap. Oh, well, I think I'll stick with the manga. |
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| Oh god, they best not screw this up! Blade of the Immortal is my favourite manga series and the only one I bother buying. :< From what I saw watching that trailer at crunchyroll.com, the animation wasn't horrible... I just hope they can stick to the story and keep the series' charm points intact. Oh, and the video that Windspirit linked to is fan-made, I think... o_O; |
ShiChelleApr 7, 2008 7:20 PM
| Bleh. I think the art is rather bland... Not "bad", but nothing special like the manga. Poorly drawn hands and feet are poorly drawn : please, I do not want more of Naruto generic feet... Oh well, if they keep the story, I guess it's alright, but I'm not expecting "much" of this anime anyway. |
They are neither plants nor animals. They differ from other forms of life such as the micro-organisms and the fungi. Instead they resemble the primeval body of life and are generally known as Mushi. Their existence and appearance are unknown to many and only a limited number of humans are aware of them. |
Windspirit said: Poorly drawn hands and feet are poorly drawn I find it quite amusing how people are searching for the most abstruse criteria to be able to call it bad at this early stage. I already heard things like "the trailer is too colorful" (although it's almost black and white) and "I don't like the swords sparkling in the moonlight" xD Come on, the art is appropriate for the manga because the manga does not stand out with its character designs but with its sketchy style. We all know that animation normally isn't sketchy so there's nothing odd about it yet. And if it was sketchy like in Kemonozume people would only complain that it was too cheap for them... Maybe I am just relaxed because I am not a BotI-manga-fan but I don't see where all those negative critiques are justified - there is only this one trailer at the moment and it seems much better than BeeTrain's work von El Cazador or hack Roots. |
harakiriApr 8, 2008 9:12 AM
harakiri said: Windspirit said: Poorly drawn hands and feet are poorly drawn I find it quite amusing how people are searching for the most abstruse criteria to be able to call it bad at this early stage. I'm sorry : "abstruse criteria" ? One of Samura's most important and noticeable visual devices are his realistically, accurately and neatly drawn hands and feet, in such positions that they kind of "reflect" the character's mood when he talks. It's quite an experience to know how a character feels when saying a line just by looking at the position of his feet and toes. You hardly find a page where there isn't a "zoom" on a character's feet, drawn precisely and neatly, from every single detail of the toes to any fold of the skin. Read at least the first chapter, you'll quickly notice this and slice your wrists for calling this an "abstruse criteria". This trailer showed my typical Naruto feet. I think I have the right to be upset, and so are the fans of Samura's manga. |
They are neither plants nor animals. They differ from other forms of life such as the micro-organisms and the fungi. Instead they resemble the primeval body of life and are generally known as Mushi. Their existence and appearance are unknown to many and only a limited number of humans are aware of them. |
Cihan said: Blade of the Immortal is one of my favourite manga, the thought of it animated is both exciting and scary. I hear ya on that one. Blade of the Immortal is one of my favorite manga titles and I am greatly excited about an anime release. And I can see how I may be greatly disappointed. |
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| I like the music, sounds individual. |
| I have to agree with harakiri, I think many of you are getting VERY nitpicky here. I'm sure the author has a style okay, every author does. Guess what, you can't replicate it. Unless the author is doing the series themselves. Manga and Anime are two diffrent medium, just like films and novels, you can't expect them to be 1000% in synch, to do so is even more absurd. I also find it pathetic that some of you are willing to crucify a studio over one production. (namely Tsubasa) . Let's face it studios like I.G Madhouse, etc have their share of triumphs and failures. They have good and bad productions under their belt. Though I will admit Bee Train doing this is a surprise to me as well, this would seem much more like an I.G production. I grow tired of rabid manga fans that want a 100% loyal adaption. Good grief do you want the author to go hungry? |
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| The fourth story arc finished... long spanning story arc of horrible experiments finally ended in volume 20 (I just read it today in the library!!!!!) The fifth story started in Japan on volume 21. They are on volume 22 now... So the anime could simply stop at the fourth story arc and leave an open ending.... But what I liked in the manga is the beautiful artwork (and bloody too) which will not appear in the anime unfortunately.... |
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ShadowBlazer3000May 25, 2008 3:59 PM
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| it was only a matter of time until they finally decided to make a Blade of the Immortal anime... I finally found out about it today but thats beside the point lol. From watching the official trailer, I hated the music but have hopes for the actual show. I've been broke and as such I haven't read past volume 12 in the manga since I can't buy any of the other volumes and I don't want to read scanlations online. Anyways, back on topic... if they use the source material correctly, which it would appear that they are from the trailer, then this should be a great show. ***fingers crossed*** also, I hope some good fansubbers pick it up... |
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| Wow I hope it's awesome, it looks like it will be a great anime. :) I hope it lasts a long time and does the whole manga. |
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| Bee Train? Yuri subtext in MY Blade of the Immortal? It doesn't help that AT-X raws are almost always bad. Oh well. Low expectations = no disappointment. |
| That's why I don't read manga until after I see the anime. XD Otherwise you can't enjoy the anime because you're too caught up over what did/didn't happen in the MANGA, whether it's living up to the quality of the MANGA, whether it deviates at all from the MANGA, etc... it seems like if you read manga you can never enjoy anime. :( |
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Plate said: Bee Train? Yuri subtext in MY Blade of the Immortal? It doesn't help that AT-X raws are almost always bad. Oh well. Low expectations = no disappointment. That is the lames assumption I've seen so far. Come on, come up with something better will you, otherwise shut your mouth and wait till it comes out. And do some reasearch while you're at it. You're all a bunch of whiney little anal babies. it's not enough that an Anime can capture the spirit of the Manga ooooh no. It has to be 100% by the book. Give me a break. Obviously the author disagrees with ALL OF YOU. |
ShadowBlazer3000Jun 12, 2008 9:08 PM
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ShadowAlex said: Plate said: Bee Train? Yuri subtext in MY Blade of the Immortal? It doesn't help that AT-X raws are almost always bad. Oh well. Low expectations = no disappointment. That is the lames assumption I've seen so far. Come on, come up with something better will you, otherwise shut your mouth and wait till it comes out. And do some reasearch while you're at it. You're all a bunch of whiney little anal babies. it's not enough that an Anime can capture the spirit of the Manga ooooh no. It has to be 100% by the book. Give me a break. Obviously the author disagrees with ALL OF YOU. I was actually kidding, but whatever floats your boat. |
| Yeah, ShadowAlex's comment was completely unnecessary. If you are going to make a caustic remark, then at least put some thought into, then people will actually respect you and listen to what you have to say. I completely agree with Brian333's response to his remark. Now, that being said, I also think that Death919's remark is dead on, in that, if you watch manga you cannot enjoy anime. I briefly discussed something similar with Cihan before. Of course there are exceptions, since there are some phenomenal anime series out there, but Manga readers always tend to be overly negative in their response to the adaption of their favored manga. As a generalization, this is not far off the mark. Though I believe that If I did read manga, then I would still enjoy the anime adaptations, since I am not overly critical. I had high expectations for BotI, but they have been shattered. Not by this thread, but by the trailer. The animation seems much darker than the preview images that I have seen, and the score for the trailer was horrible. Though this could just be the poor quality of the uploads (to think there are all those poor kids out there watching great animation that has been debilitated by the crap quality that is youTube). But the animation of this show should have a darker tone. Though I prefer more vivid animation. As it has been mentioned here, Bee Train have not produced any other shows along this style, so now with the trailer, my expectations of the adaption are zilch. I have not read the manga, but I think this series is going to be ruined even for people who haven't read it. My expectations is a gore fest with little focus on plot development. Though I could be dead wrong, and the show could be an excellent production. We will see... oh we shall see if Bee Train rains crap down around us. Maybe I am being too critical. Haha. |
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| Okay, first? ShadowAlex's post = hilarity. Only two pages to this thread and I was already sick of the pissing and moaning about a show that's not even out yet. Come on, wait until episode 1 is out, then go on your "I knew it!" rants. death919 said: That's why I don't read manga until after I see the anime. XD Otherwise you can't enjoy the anime because you're too caught up over what did/didn't happen in the MANGA, whether it's living up to the quality of the MANGA, whether it deviates at all from the MANGA, etc... it seems like if you read manga you can never enjoy anime. :( Nah, not really. I've watched a show and then later read the manga and the manga was better and I'd go, "WTF?! They should've done the anime like this!" :D So if you're determined to enjoy the anime, you're prolly better off just not reading the manga. Or, y'know, find a way to enjoy them both I guess. |
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| I agree with SageShinigami, you can't judge an anime just by a preview. I can think of a few previews that have been very misleading. Wait until the first episode comes out before condemning the series. Oh, and I doubt that this series will be an epic failure just because of feet. |
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| I think you'd have to be incredibly naive to not take into account the crew of an anime production when mulling its potential over. Simply saying "well you cant judge an anime on who's directing, producing and animating it!" just sound silly. Of course you can judge it. And some of us have, according to Bee Train's track record. Doesnt mean everyone's given up on this anime doing the adaptation justice, quality fluctuates depending on the director and writer, not the studio. (although the TV writer and director of this adaptation are very mediocre, look at their filmography on ANN. Koichi Mashimo's directorial style is the equivalent of strapping a camera onto a lawnmower and letting it wander around the film set) Some of us are wary for a valid reason, simply further validating this reason will just culminate in me repeating the obvious which gets boring quickly. I'll be the first to change my tune if the anime impresses me, I dont care about appearances. :D |
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| I am getting ridiculously tired of people saying "do not judge the anime before its released". This thread is for that exact reason... read the title. We personally want to discuss our expectations of the series. If you do not want to, why are you even reading this thread? Personally, I think the saying "you cannot judge a book by its cover" has become an utter cliche. It is constantly used out of context, overused, and even used hypocritically. When referring to people instead of books, which happens to be its primary function as a figure of speech, I personally think it is a very idiotic remark, since it is very easy to judge someone by the first thirty seconds of meeting them. Just as it is very easy to judge an anime by its thirty second teaser. That is the reason the trailer or teaser is released, so you can judge what the show may be like. We may be wrong in our judgment, but does that remove our right to judge for ourselves? |
renegadeJun 30, 2008 4:17 PM
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Simply saying "well you cant judge an anime on who's directing, producing and animating it!" just sound silly. Of course you can judge it. And some of us have, according to Bee Train's track record. Yeah, you CAN. But just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you should. renegade said: I am getting ridiculously tired of people saying "do not judge the anime before its released". This thread is for that exact reason... read the title. We personally want to discuss our expectations of the series. If you do not want to, why are you even reading this thread? Personally, I think the saying "you cannot judge a book by its cover" has become an utter cliche. It is constantly used out of context, overused, and even used hypocritically. When referring to people instead of books, which happens to be its primary function as a figure of speech, I personally think it is a very idiotic remark, since it is very easy to judge someone by the first thirty seconds of meeting them. Just as it is very easy to judge an anime by its thirty second teaser. That is the reason the trailer or teaser is released, so you can judge what the show may be like. We may be wrong in our judgment, but does that remove our right to judge for ourselves? ....This made sense when you typed it, didn't it? Look: I'm not saying the series will be good. Hell I just have a passing interest in this series as it is, but come on. I thought it was reasonable to only judge something after you'd seen/read it all. People told me I was being ridiculous. So I figured I'd meet them halfway and say you should at least watch/read half of it. Again, I'm told its ridiculous. Then recently, even though it made NO sense to me, I decided to go ahead and let people judge something after seeing the first episode/chapter of stuff. Now I'm being told I'm ridiculous again, and you should be able to judge something before it even comes out? WTF. BTW...I don't know ANYONE I've been able to judge after meeting them for 30 seconds, and I'm an excellent judge of character. Stop constructing utter bullshit arguments to make yourself look better--it don't work. Reading your latest post took about 30 seconds. It was poorly constructed, rather illogical, and tailored purely so that you wouldn't have to actually admit you were wrong. Going just from that post, I would say you weren't a very intelligent person. But I'm 99.9% sure there's a LOT more to you than just this one post. Undoubtedly, though we seem to disagree (vehemently, at that) on this subject, I'm sure there are plenty of others on which would agree on. THAT'S why they say "don't judge a book by its cover". :P (Which, btw, I never even said originally.) |
SageShinigamiJul 4, 2008 4:45 AM
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SageShinigami said: Yeah, you CAN. But just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you should. Is this the most useless statement ever typed on the internet? I CAN judge an anime production based on the crew involved but I SHOULDNT because it would scare SageShinigami. EDIT: SageShinigami said: you should be able to judge something before it even comes out? WTF. OF COURSE YOU CAN. We're OBVIOUSLY not judging the final product because no one's bloody seen it, but we're judging its POTENTIAL, and based on very solid evidence, its potential is not looking great. If we all listened to you there would be barely any entertainment-related websites left on the internet. I wouldnt have aintitcool.com to visit 20 times a day godamnit. |
BeatnikJul 4, 2008 4:56 AM
"I'm starting to think mal is run by Xinil generating electricity on a bicycle." - idklol |
| Sage man, my post was not directed at your comments particularly. I was trying to be very general, but I guess it came out all directed at you. Don't be so touchy, I personally like being hypothetical, and you should not take such offensive tact, because If I was not so nice, I would tell you right were to go. But there are children here in these forums, and you should be a better role model with more constructive remarks. ShadowAlex is an example of poor role models. The reason I made my claim about judgment of character is that there is so much in the first moment when you meet someone that they can not hide in trying to be fake by being someone other than yourself. I am not sure if you understand what I mean, but there are lots of fields that cover this exact topic. We are unable to control our kinesics, idiosyncrasies, and mannerisms, which are what define us as who we are. I can judge you just by the tambour you use in your voice when talking to someone in a general situation, or even the rhetoric that you use in your comments. You may think I am just trying to sound smart, but I came to this online community to find people who were interested in talking about the same things as me. But if you are not interested in my comments, then I could care less. Any comment we make in this thread is superficial since we are discussing it by its cover. That is what denotes the word. Sage please keep those dumb remarks to yourself. It is just a warning, because I personally do not like trashing people. Edit: I reread my post, and I can see how you would take offense to that Sage. I did not mean at all to infer that you were an idiot by using the word "idiotic" in my comment. I do and say idiotic things everyday, and that does not make me an idiot, but that has nothing to do with my comments. I am still eager to watch BotI, even though I have low expectations. It is the story that truly makes the anime, which is even a place where I disagree with Cihan on some finer points, since I think Naruto and One Piece are both phenomenal anime, and he doesn't! But that is because he read the Manga, and I did not. |
renegadeJul 11, 2008 1:52 PM
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Cihan said: Is this the most useless statement ever typed on the internet? I CAN judge an anime production based on the crew involved but I SHOULDNT because it would scare SageShinigami. That ain't what I said, but this goes back to that whole, "constructing an argument so I'm not wrong" thing. EDIT: SageShinigami said: you should be able to judge something before it even comes out? WTF. OF COURSE YOU CAN. We're OBVIOUSLY not judging the final product because no one's bloody seen it, but we're judging its POTENTIAL, and based on very solid evidence, its potential is not looking great. If we all listened to you there would be barely any entertainment-related websites left on the internet. I wouldnt have aintitcool.com to visit 20 times a day godamnit. Damn. Couldn't have that, could we? Then we might be left with reasonable fans, and that's just an oxymoron... But hey, yeah I guess you can judge potential. Me though? I'm just sick of all the freaking negativity. (Which probably means I should give up the internet entirely. :P) |
| Jumping in Headfirst - I hear reading it causes immortality. Warning. Reading may not actually cause immortality. |
SageShinigami said: Me though? I'm just sick of all the freaking negativity. Well, I can understand that at least. But if its justified then all you can do is shrug, wait and see. |
"I'm starting to think mal is run by Xinil generating electricity on a bicycle." - idklol |
| Personally, I am sick of people arguing just for the sake of arguing, but I also hate negativity. I think that our criticism of BotI was reasonable and well founded. I do not think we were overly negative at all. We just said what we thought about the trailer. The people who were being negative were the slew of people who jumped in and started to harass us for our comments, making them out to be more than what we intended. *shrug* |
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renegade said: Personally, I am sick of people arguing just for the sake of arguing, but I also hate negativity. I think that our criticism of BotI was reasonable and well founded. I do not think we were overly negative at all. We just said what we thought about the trailer. The people who were being negative were the slew of people who jumped in and started to harass us for our comments, making them out to be more than what we intended. *shrug* I'll just say this now. Amen. I probably couldn't have said it better myself. If i said it, i would have made it sound stupid. lol |
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