Episode 10 is now the final episode - tv broadcast "Suspended"

Kougeru said:
The 11th and 12th episodes will be determined at a later date."

LeSponge said:
Ohh im just shocked after reading the news that again it will be "suspended" after episode 10 (which will be its final episode). After going on 2 week hiatus, it aired the episode 9 by which many have negative comments regarding which esp in terms of Animation, then comes this news. To be honest i like the story of this show sadly its animation is just a bad one.

(And as matter of proof that this show puts many viewers into disappointment- its rating from 6.xx from the previous 8 episodes suddenly became a 5.71 after episode 9 that means many arent liking this one)

Vert said:
user above me is a perfect example of an anime elitist

Vert said:
user above me is a perfect example of an anime elitist

Vert said:
user above me is a perfect example of an anime elitist

J_LEE_C said:

And its not just one or two people saying this, the collective MAL score is a 5.71, which is insanely low for a full-length episode series.

Vert said:


because you know....people take MAL scores seriously these days.......

and in response to @HereticHunter and J_LEE_C. There are some people that like this anime. This the main reason why I dont take the MAL Community seriously these days. If you dont like the show...then why are you guys here in this forum post about this anime??? If you dont like it, then just ignore the show and the news that comes out of it. Dont go around saying "This anime is shit" and what not.

Vert said:


because you know....people take MAL scores seriously these days.......

and in response to @HereticHunter and J_LEE_C. There are some people that like this anime. This the main reason why I dont take the MAL Community seriously these days. If you dont like the show...then why are you guys here in this forum post about this anime??? If you dont like it, then just ignore the show and the news that comes out of it. Dont go around saying "This anime is shit" and what not.

J_LEE_C said:


I didn't say there weren't some people that liked the show. But after 4,255 people have scored the show, its a 5.71. Yeah there are people that rate shows 1/10 or 10/10 just because they can, but after averaging everything out, it still depicts the show is bad.

The broadcast network in Japan cancelled the show - which is almost unheard of for a 12-episode anime. The show postponed episode 9 for two weeks because even the production company admitted that the "animation quality was lacking".

As I already said in my previous post, I finish a show no matter how much I love/hate it. Unlike some others I have seen, I don't go around saying an 'anime is shit' very loosely. And when I did for this anime, it was in a pretty nice way if you ask me, and backed up by actual facts and sources. I check ANN everyday as its the best news source for anime, so of course I'm going to see the article.

Sources:

Broadcast Cancellation
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2018-03-27/marchen-madchen-anime-episodes-11-12-fate-still-to-be-announced/.129592

Animation Issues/Delay
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2018-03-01/marchen-madchen-next-new-episode-delayed-until-march-22/.128422

https://www.fandompost.com/2018/03/02/marchen-madchen-anime-getting-significant-delay/

Cumulative & Most Recent Weekly Ranking
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2018-03-23/the-best-and-worst-of-the-season-so-far-week-of-mar-12-18/.129379


It's not a conspiracy, this is a 'bad' anime. That's backed up by the Broadcast network it aired on in Japan, the Production company itself, and the Seasonal Rankings - none of which factor in or care about the MAL score or its users.

Whether you accept that or not is up to you, you can be blind to it if you want. I also could be a lot meaner about how I say it, but I choose to use evidence rather than opinions. And I - as well as anyone else - has every right to go around saying 'This anime is shit' if I so chose to, but I'm nicer about it. People say many my favorite anime are shit and it doesn't bother me, don't know why you're so uptight and hard for this show but that's okay.

J_LEE_C said:


Saying that an anime is bad is not being an elitist if its true. You should look up what an anime elitist is.

This anime is really, really bad. I've watched every episode because I have a rule that once I start an anime, I finish it no matter how much I dislike it.

And its not just one or two people saying this, the collective MAL score is a 5.71, which is insanely low for a full-length episode series.


Also another source: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2018-03-27/marchen-madchen-anime-episodes-11-12-fate-still-to-be-announced/.129592

RogerSmith2004 said:


"Bad" is a subjective term, and I find it absolutely hilarious how you are trying to factually prove this show is bad. ANN has gotten facts wrong quite a few times, as noted in this Twitter thread (https://twitter.com/AshitaNoFrog/status/973104284068974592).

That being said, I love how none of the links you refer to are the hard work the folks have put into the show and the major management issues that have gone on.

The production issues with the show:
https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2018/03/24/marchen-madchen-a-production-postmortem/

A tweet from an actual animator on the show:
https://twitter.com/maro0327/status/977962248936161280

You can think it's bad, but to try to prove that it being bad is a "fact" is a wasted endeavor and "finishing every show you start" doesn't automatically make you a valid authority on determining that.

Furthermore, I can guarantee you that the reason it didn't finish its last two episodes was because they couldn't make up the two weeks they lost. Kekkai Sensen fell to a similar situation when they decided to extend episode 12 to an hour, because then they had to find a timeslot to fill it. (Which wasn't a flop, in fact, quite the opposite, Kekkai Sensen sold extraordinary numbers) Similarly, shows like 3-gatsu no Lion can get around this by airing two episodes in a week, but obviously Marchen Madchen did not have that luxury. The real reasons the 2 weeks were taken off in the first place are listed in my source, so it's not worth repeating.

Drock34000 said:


https://myanimelist.net/anime/36029/Hakyuu_Houshin_Engi

J_LEE_C said:


Look, I'm going to go through what you replied to my post in a level-headed manner and point out what both of us were wrong in regards to.

The way I used the word 'bad'. Instead of saying 'it still depicts that the show is bad' I should have said 'it still depicts that many peoples' impression of the show is bad'. So that was my 'bad'.

I also shouldn't have used 'backed up by facts and sources' and instead just said 'sources point towards this'. It's impossible to have empirical evidence in this sense, so that was my issue with wording there. My point of providing those links were to show these news articles to the person I was replying to.

Is ANN perfect? No. But I will point out the Twitter thread you provided is pointing to an article from January 2013. Five years is a long time, and you can't deny that ANN is widely trusted and considered one of - if not the - best and most reliable anime/manga-related news sources.

At no point did I call out anyone individually behind the scenes nor say that their work ethic was lacking. Though I do appreciate the article from SakugaBlog, it was very informative. It alludes to the fact that between death, departures, outsourcing, and rushed impossible deadlines, it was quite the mess starting at the top going down. Was it unfair for the workers? It probably wasn't fun, having half a dozen leave, and replaced by transfers that had never even had TV anime experience. Sadly, in the end what counts is getting the job done - its a results-driven world. And they couldn't. Is that the individual staffers' fault? My opinion after reading that article, absolutely not. Its the fault of Hoods Entertainment as a whole, the animation producer, and the CEO - whose responsibility is to oversee the company. That's what they get for short-changing people and under-staffing to save money and cut corners.

^^At no point though have I ever brought into question the individual staffers work or questioned their work ethic, I wanted to make this abundantly clear.

Again, my goal wasn't so much to 'prove' it to be bad as it was to show the articles I was noting instead of rattling off nothing more than my opinion, and to note that the big picture depicts that many people do have a bad impression of the show. But alas, that was my poor choice of wording to which is my own fault.

**I want to also make abundantly clear: at no point was I trying to impress upon anyone that 'finishing every show I start makes me a valid authority' or any authority, for that matter. If you notice, my response and reason for pointing out that I finish every show I start was in reply to Vert telling me not to watch the show/ignore it if I didn't like it. I've suffered through much worse shows than this, but what I was getting at is if I start something, I finish it. Not at all relevant to making me anyone whose opinion was important. Mine isn't anymore than any other user, but I do feel a need to explain myself when things are misconstrued from what I say, i.e. here.

The tweet doesn't really show much to me - unless I'm missing something, besides one of the staffers apologizing to fans/viewers. The sentiment is nice I suppose, but again in the end the viewers largely care about the results - regardless how sad or unfair the conditions were for the people creating this.

I don't disagree with your probable reasoning given the last two episodes couldn't make up the lost time, especially after reading your source.

As for Kekkai Sensen, I happen to love the show and I'm familiar with the Season 1 finale being extended. Bones did a great job in that situation, and in my opinion put even more effort and better quality in that finale episode - and that's not to take away or detract from the quality of the episodes leading up to it. Very well done. A bit of a different studio situation and reasoning, but another example of a well done extended season finale even more recently was from Made in Abyss, also a fantastic ending.

I have not yet seen 3-gatsu no Lion, but have heard great things.

I don't dispute the reasoning the 2 weeks were taken off - I never had disputed that. In fact your source backs up my statement of "even the production company admitted that the "animation quality was lacking". Fairly early-on in your source it notes: "Seeing as how the situation was about to reach new lows, with the broadcast of episode 9 showing nothing but abysmal animation despite the extra two weeks, I decided to reach out to them and ask about this tragic situation. While they were happy to have a platform to spread the nasty truth.." etc. I wasn't spreading an untruth in what I said regarding that.

Anyway, I appreciate the source, and hopefully that clears things up with what I was trying to confer. Apologies for the poor choice of wording in parts of my original post reply.

J_LEE_C said:


Ironically, as "bad as my overall impression is" regarding Hakyuu Houshin Engi, it has some really redeemable animation qualities in this reboot. But its sorrily lacking in other areas - in my Opinion.

HereticHunter said:
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Genix said:


Well, that's a generic critic's response. I mean, nothing stops someone from shit talking an animu (or anything else really) that you consider a masterpiece yourself :V .

I do always find it silly that people would still shit talk something just for the sake of feeling superior or above something, but it's human nature, I suppose.

Mormegil said:
Maybe if Japan didn't feel the need to make 60-70 new anime per season, they wouldn't stretch themselves thin as often.

katsu044 said:
animation hit almost wake up girl S2 levels of bad and 90% of the time the art was mainly inconsistent.

ReclusiveBeeBody said:
This makes me sad. While I didn't care for the show all that much (more so for the poor pacing and issues regarding story development) I don't like hearing that it was a mess from the very beginning. Plus, the show has potential, so I want it to do well even though it hasn't lived up to it.

I don't know of the two weeks will help if there are that many problems. We waited a week for episode 9 and it was worse than any of us imagined. The same thing could happen again here, with a rush job and lack of management and staff to do the work. Or we could get a proper ending that ties everything together.

Either way, it's still sad to hear.


They changed the studio, so it was more moe than before. There were times when someone was talking and characters would just slide into the shot for no reason. It was a mess.

Zarkraz said:


Don't need them, it was shit from episode 1.