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Jan 26, 2018 11:21 PM
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Hi guys, I had an account since 2012 apparently but I hadn't used it since lol..

Incredible that this was the series that made me use it again, but I had to say it..

This series is just no good, and is all because of the terrible pacing and IMO how it lacks the 'soul' of the Hoshin Engi manga.

This is a post I made in the episode 3 thread, which I will just copy/paste, this post basically summarizes my thoughts on why this adaptation sucks (so far, hopefully it gets better, but I doubt it..)

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I hate they omit some of the 4th wall breaking scenes the manga was so famous for, e.g.
https://mangarock.com/manga/mrs-serie-110485/chapter/mrs-chapter-110517
Dakki playing ninja

Also Seems they are skipping the whole Raishinshi arc..
That's too bad because I was hoping to see these particular Street Fighter-esque panels animated
https://mangarock.com/manga/mrs-serie-110485/chapter/mrs-chapter-110503
https://mangarock.com/manga/mrs-serie-110485/chapter/mrs-chapter-110504
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So as you can see this adaptation has 2 HUGE problems, and from what I have been reading online most people have the same issues with this adaptation.

Problem #1
Pacing

This is the big one for most users, I really can not understand why they would adapt the manga in only 23 episodes...

And it's not only the terrible pacing, because it is not just the fact that they speed up stuff incredibly fast, but other problem is they randomly throw BIG spoilers of things yet to come...

I assume is for people that had already read the manga, but I have read it and I didn't like the random spoilers, imagine how newcomers must have felt when they saw the beginning of episode 2 which shows a certain fight that won't happen until much, much later in the story...

Also the way they change from Taikoubou's side of the story to Ko Hiko's side of the story is done very, very bad, they should have watched Game of Thrones to see proper transitions..


Problem #2
It lacks Hoshin Engi's soul

Ryu Fujisaki LOVES to throw random over the top, 4th wall breaking scenes, like the panels I showed where he put life bars on top of the characters, resembling Street Fighter...

Simply put Hoshin Engi is the most 4th wall breaking thing I have ever read, Deadpool is tame in comparisson to Hoshin Engi's 4th wall breaking, trust me.

While reading Hoshin Engi it had A TON of weird wtf moments, if you read it I know you WANT to get to this part (Please if you haven't watched Hoshin Engi DO NOT check this link, do yourself a favor and wait for it to -hopefully- be animated or read the manga)
https://mangarock.com/manga/mrs-serie-110485/chapter/mrs-chapter-110589

So in a nutshell this is a souless adaptation whose pacing is a mess, do yourself a favor, read the manga and you will understand why this is one of Weekly Shonen Jump's biggest sellers ever, it's relatively 'short' at 23 volumes (it was made in the mid 90s, back when Weekly Shonen Jump hits weren't 50 volumes long) and it's enjoyable from start to finish.
Jan 28, 2018 8:40 PM
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But hey at least the op is fucking amazing
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Jan 28, 2018 9:29 PM
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Yeah its clearly visible that they are skipping some part(I feel like they also changed some character's personalities compare to older version). Haven't watched EP3 but you listed out quite lot of things that were left out. Thanks for grand warning and I better read manga and pretend that I haven't watch this anime. Also someone mentioned they already volume 4 within 4 episode! I guess they wanting to finish everything within 23 episode. Too bad that the OP was so good. The artstyle was good too imo.
Jan 29, 2018 10:49 PM
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I haven't even read the manga and I could tell they were skipping stuff.

Also WTF is up with the FIRST thing we see in episode 1 a major fight that I assume becomes critical much later? Did the animators think we'd get hyped to see how it lead to that? that only works if you have a deep connection to both characters. NOT when the anime is just starting.

Also I have no impression of anyone and it basically skipped any type of character building.
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Feb 1, 2018 4:01 PM
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Yeah, I think I'm just going to drop this. I've heard really good things about the manga. And the anime would ruin the series for me. The pacing is all over the place and I don't understand shit.
Feb 1, 2018 4:03 PM
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I'm surprised they did such a crappy reboot, what the hell =/
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Feb 3, 2018 4:04 AM
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I really wish that this series have a total of airing at least 36-39 episodes, so the story would have a lot more details and cover the whole manga story till the end.

Really looking forward to this series, but now I'm sure that I'm going to be very VERY disappointed overall.
And yes, I would also recommend people to READ the manga better then watching the anime itself if u want the FULL STORY till the end.
Feb 3, 2018 5:09 AM
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perroloco said:
Hi guys, I had an account since 2012 apparently but I hadn't used it since lol..

Incredible that this was the series that made me use it again, but I had to say it..

This series is just no good, and is all because of the terrible pacing and IMO how it lacks the 'soul' of the Hoshin Engi manga.

This is a post I made in the episode 3 thread, which I will just copy/paste, this post basically summarizes my thoughts on why this adaptation sucks (so far, hopefully it gets better, but I doubt it..)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I hate they omit some of the 4th wall breaking scenes the manga was so famous for, e.g.
https://mangarock.com/manga/mrs-serie-110485/chapter/mrs-chapter-110517
Dakki playing ninja

Also Seems they are skipping the whole Raishinshi arc..
That's too bad because I was hoping to see these particular Street Fighter-esque panels animated
https://mangarock.com/manga/mrs-serie-110485/chapter/mrs-chapter-110503
https://mangarock.com/manga/mrs-serie-110485/chapter/mrs-chapter-110504
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So as you can see this adaptation has 2 HUGE problems, and from what I have been reading online most people have the same issues with this adaptation.

Problem #1
Pacing

This is the big one for most users, I really can not understand why they would adapt the manga in only 23 episodes...

And it's not only the terrible pacing, because it is not just the fact that they speed up stuff incredibly fast, but other problem is they randomly throw BIG spoilers of things yet to come...

I assume is for people that had already read the manga, but I have read it and I didn't like the random spoilers, imagine how newcomers must have felt when they saw the beginning of episode 2 which shows a certain fight that won't happen until much, much later in the story...

Also the way they change from Taikoubou's side of the story to Ko Hiko's side of the story is done very, very bad, they should have watched Game of Thrones to see proper transitions..


Problem #2
It lacks Hoshin Engi's soul

Ryu Fujisaki LOVES to throw random over the top, 4th wall breaking scenes, like the panels I showed where he put life bars on top of the characters, resembling Street Fighter...

Simply put Hoshin Engi is the most 4th wall breaking thing I have ever read, Deadpool is tame in comparisson to Hoshin Engi's 4th wall breaking, trust me.

While reading Hoshin Engi it had A TON of weird wtf moments, if you read it I know you WANT to get to this part (Please if you haven't watched Hoshin Engi DO NOT check this link, do yourself a favor and wait for it to -hopefully- be animated or read the manga)
https://mangarock.com/manga/mrs-serie-110485/chapter/mrs-chapter-110589

So in a nutshell this is a souless adaptation whose pacing is a mess, do yourself a favor, read the manga and you will understand why this is one of Weekly Shonen Jump's biggest sellers ever, it's relatively 'short' at 23 volumes (it was made in the mid 90s, back when Weekly Shonen Jump hits weren't 50 volumes long) and it's enjoyable from start to finish.
the first adaptation is way better.
Feb 3, 2018 11:22 AM
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holyfuture said:
I really wish that this series have a total of airing at least 36-39 episodes, so the story would have a lot more details and cover the whole manga story till the end.

Really looking forward to this series, but now I'm sure that I'm going to be very VERY disappointed overall.
And yes, I would also recommend people to READ the manga better then watching the anime itself if u want the FULL STORY till the end.


I would recommend to someone who wishes to watch an anime of Hoshin Engi to just watch the first anime AND then watch this one..

Hope Raishinshi isn't skipped altogether, hopefully he appears later to help Taikoubou.

I have a theory, now that you think about it they are probably rushing to get to where the first anime covered.. Which by the looks of it it's gonna be the next episode,

Still it's a shame we won't get 'filler' manga chapter like the Elephant race one haha,
https://mangarock.com/manga/mrs-serie-110485/chapter/mrs-chapter-110537

So we are at episode 5 (of 23), I'm guessing next episode will cover the Shisei fight..

I hope this is just a first season (of 2) and they are just skipping and going very fast to reach to where the first anime finished

Actually if you think about it EVERY material that has been shown so far has highlighted the Juttenkun arc a lot, so I'm guessing that's where this series can stop (It's a great point to finish, even if it didn't have a second season..)

So here's my guess of what's gonna happen in the following episodes, from epiosde 5 to 23 and with the expectation that this 23 episodes anime will only cover up to the Sennin World arc (Chapter 148).

Episode 5 is named "The two paths" so it's probably chapter 45 of the manga.. (Which is named the exact same way) So I'm guessing they will cover ALL the Shisei fights in one episode... Should have been at least 2 but whatever..

Episode 5: Chapter 32-45

Now, it's interesting to note this: If I am correct and they are only trying to get to the end of the Sennin World arc then Episode 6 would start in Chapter 46 and that's basically 100 chapters left to animate.
Chapters 46 to 51 "Past, Present and Future" are basically 'filler' chapters you could say, I remember back when I read the manga I was like 'lol this is filler in a manga'..
For those that haven't read the manga this chapters included things like an elephant race
https://mangarock.com/manga/mrs-serie-110485/chapter/mrs-chapter-110537

and a cooking battle chapter
https://mangarock.com/manga/mrs-serie-110485/chapter/mrs-chapter-110535

This chapters are most likely getting skipped lol, if they skipped actual important and relevant content I can't imagine this chapters getting animated, although they would definetly be great OVA material (this adaptation is 23 episodes + 1 OVA)

So chapters 46 to 51 aren't getting animated, that's 7 less chapters.. Less assume one does get animated, because these aren't entirelly filler, some stuff happens, so 6 chapters less..

So 96 chapters left to be animated after episode 5.. So that makes 18 episodes to animate 96 chapters,which is roughly 5.3 chapters per episode

Which doesn't sound that bad tbh, sure it will be 'fast paced' but not super fast paced like it is right now

Episode 5: Chapter 32-45 (Shisei battle)
Episode 6: Chapter 43-54 (Aging Wiseman)
Episode 7-8: Chapter 55-64 (Maka Yonshou battle)
Episode 9: Chapter 65-75 (Transition chapters) -Please include this-
https://mangarock.com/manga/mrs-serie-110485/chapter/mrs-chapter-110557
Episode 10: Chapter 76-82 (Two Princes)
Episode 11-14: Chapter 83-106 (Cho Komei arc)
Episode 15-23: Chapter 107-148 (Sennin War arc)

Hopefully it's like this and the pacing gets better in the later parts of the series.
Feb 3, 2018 9:07 PM
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I think you should stop using mangarock as a preference and use a different site like kissmanga. The way of reading there is a bit annoying.

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