Your thoughts about the world's end?

AzorAhai said:
Note: Read the following after watching the final episode.


Speaking realistically, do you think that mankind can cease to exist in the world depicted in this show?

So, we are given a clarification that the world is indeed planet Earth and the country is Japan. Series take place in one of the major cities of an island nation in a distant future.

There were at least two world wars or major conflicts judging by videos played:
1) Japan declaring war - ending with Japan victory (probably the earliest recorded war)
2) War involving even higher tech weapons and robots, this time fighting takes in the streets of Japan, its cities are carpet-bombed and things look ugly.
This conflict seemingly resulted with nukes falling all over the globe, tech rendered useless, cities disconnected from each other (marks the beginning of the end of the old world... most likely last world war recorded)

The rest was just skirmishes, civil unrest, anarchy and infighting.

So the nukes, or non radioactive yet even deadlier weapons of mass destruction seemed to be used, but mankind survived (and that's the biggest miracle right here!). Casualties were most likely catastrophic, but the earth is too big and people are in so many different areas, that i'd say 90% population died at best.

Let's return to the last episode. Number of people we see equals to 4 in total. Chance of meeting another human is pretty rare, but, the story takes place in Japan, and Japan itself isn't small. Remember, this is only a single city, and even if it's twice the size of Tokyo, it is still just a single city in a big nation. Also, it consists of many levels, this makes one city feel like 5x or even more!

Now there were countless speculations about what will happen if ww3 starts and nukes start flying in our world. The world we know will end undoubtedly, but humans are not so easy to get rid off, don't be mistaken. Hell, we survived ice age having nothing but sticks and stones as weapons, and considering there is no nuclear fallout, air is breathable, water drinkable, thus harvest possible! it is UNREAL to believe that all the humans all over the globe can kill each other in various raids, skirmishes, civil wars, or die from hunger because what? there are no fishes left in the ocean? No plants? Not even in the depths of the same oceans? Unreal! We never see a single tree in the series, but the city is all concrete and metal. What lies outside the city is unknown. Oxygen has to come from somewhere!

Those white talking things said two girls are the only humans they've encountered in a while (and there are none in THIS city, EXCEPT for the highest level) but this doesn't mean they themselves have been everywhere, and even if the last human they've seen was 100 years ago, it doesn't mean he/she/they just died out without establishing communities or making families and stuff.

Hell, in manga thus it is highly unlikely that such technologically advanced humans would not advance in space travel to certain degree at least!

I find it hard to believe that girls are the only humans left in the shown city. Saying that they're the only humans on planet earth or even in universe seems too far fetched to me :)

What are your thoughts about this?

AzorAhai said:
Note: Read the following after watching the final episode.


Speaking realistically, do you think that mankind can cease to exist in the world depicted in this show?

So, we are given a clarification that the world is indeed planet Earth and the country is Japan. Series take place in one of the major cities of an island nation in a distant future.

There were at least two world wars or major conflicts judging by videos played:
1) Japan declaring war - ending with Japan victory (probably the earliest recorded war)
2) War involving even higher tech weapons and robots, this time fighting takes in the streets of Japan, its cities are carpet-bombed and things look ugly.
This conflict seemingly resulted with nukes falling all over the globe, tech rendered useless, cities disconnected from each other (marks the beginning of the end of the old world... most likely last world war recorded)

The rest was just skirmishes, civil unrest, anarchy and infighting.

So the nukes, or non radioactive yet even deadlier weapons of mass destruction seemed to be used, but mankind survived (and that's the biggest miracle right here!). Casualties were most likely catastrophic, but the earth is too big and people are in so many different areas, that i'd say 90% population died at best.

Let's return to the last episode. Number of people we see equals to 4 in total. Chance of meeting another human is pretty rare, but, the story takes place in Japan, and Japan itself isn't small. Remember, this is only a single city, and even if it's twice the size of Tokyo, it is still just a single city in a big nation. Also, it consists of many levels, this makes one city feel like 5x or even more!

Now there were countless speculations about what will happen if ww3 starts and nukes start flying in our world. The world we know will end undoubtedly, but humans are not so easy to get rid off, don't be mistaken. Hell, we survived ice age having nothing but sticks and stones as weapons, and considering there is no nuclear fallout, air is breathable, water drinkable, thus harvest possible! it is UNREAL to believe that all the humans all over the globe can kill each other in various raids, skirmishes, civil wars, or die from hunger because what? there are no fishes left in the ocean? No plants? Not even in the depths of the same oceans? Unreal! We never see a single tree in the series, but the city is all concrete and metal. What lies outside the city is unknown. Oxygen has to come from somewhere!

Those white talking things said two girls are the only humans they've encountered in a while (and there are none in THIS city, EXCEPT for the highest level) but this doesn't mean they themselves have been everywhere, and even if the last human they've seen was 100 years ago, it doesn't mean he/she/they just died out without establishing communities or making families and stuff.

Hell, in manga thus it is highly unlikely that such technologically advanced humans would not advance in space travel to certain degree at least!

I find it hard to believe that girls are the only humans left in the shown city. Saying that they're the only humans on planet earth or even in universe seems too far fetched to me :)

What are your thoughts about this?

lol depends on how you define "city"
I mean: the plot never mention what happens to Ishii and Kanazawa after their part in the story were over.
if we assume that the whole structure is one city, then ofc they're not alone! The mushroom gods just didn't encounter Ishii and Kanazawa (& whoever that girl who was with Kanazawa.)
The only thing we know currently... is before they reach the highest, unvisited level, they'll probably won't see anyone.

back to topic:
1. first of all, is there any relevancy for the ancient humanity or any of their "elevated descendants" (if any) to appear in the story?

2. if they do will appear, how should they?
I assume you've read the manga to the latest vol here (the one untranslated yet.) If you do, then you'd know

3. Did the ancient humanity survived? Actually, they already told us.
Chito & Yuuri are the last few descendants of their civilization. Chito & Yuuri's civilization were the descendant of the owners of the city.
It was mentioned in Yuu's sentence back in episode 1 "If humanity can create food to share, then why are they creating guns to fight, instead?"
Chito's reply kinda pushed us into one of the multi-meaning of this sentence (the one that was relevant to the dialogue, at the time.)
But Yuu's sentence hinted it, that even after facing doomsday scenario again and again and again, humans doesn't stop fighting with each other. What a typical human thing to do.

4. Is there still another human on the planet?
Probably. The mushroom gods only visited the ancient ruins where there are unstable material such as nukes and stuff, after all.
Whether the town where gramps lived survived, or the invaders survived, probably there are still humans left.
But, once again, is it relevant?

another ps: actually, I think the world (of Chi-chan and Yuu's ancestors) ended not exactly bcs of human vs human, but bcs of when the humans were busy warring with each other, the robots rebelled (bcs of empathy programme,) thus human & the remaining robot vs conscious robot.
The sickly girl said that she and her team created a self-breeding programme for the robots, which is a classic doomsday robot scenario.

AzorAhai said:
First things first, I know...i know that the story isn't about the "fate of humanity" and rather centers on relationship of two girls as they explore the unknown world and uncover some of its mysteries and finding their own explanations on things, but I'm very into apocalypse-related stuff and love to theorize.



:) What else can the "city" be? I mean take Tokyo for example once again. Even if you add 5+ levels of smaller Tokyos atop each other, the base or lowest level shall still remain the same size. It own't be a city but a "several-level city" lol, but what i initially implied was that the size of the city girls are in is most likely occupying less than 1% of the planet's surface. Our planet isn't small once you measure things :) Chance for them to find other humans decreases only because they're literally spiraling in the same place (going higher) instead of going straight forward.

AzorAhai said:



sorry i've read up to chapter 41 but didn't really understand this one. Are you implying that there is a big possibility that there aren't people on the highest level because someone would have ventured to lower level at some point or hinted that "salvation awaits up here"?

AzorAhai said:



Totally agreed about "human nature" part, but what i meant is that even if despite all wars mankind still thinks about killing other humans, it's ridiculous to say that each side will end killing each other, with no side winning all over the globe. I'm certain than humanity survived not by simply scavenging, stealing, plundering and pillaging, but rather by creating and harvesting on their own, even if they used to make more bullets than food i failed to see how this can lead to extinction of mankind. eventually, the more die, less food is consumed. It's just too unreal to say that on planetary level, every opposing side would annihilate each other.

AzorAhai said:



I know that's not something we're meant to care about, but i do :)))
humans are not brainless brutes programmed on slaughter alone. every war eventually ends. Mankind is good at multiplying greatly once "peace times" come.
I'm sure even in this world mankind won't fail at this part (especially if we take into consideration the fact that air/water isn't polluted). Even despite the fact that this show leaves a strong impression of the opposite :)

AzorAhai said:



Hmm, A.I apocalypse is possible, but there are too few hints.
I mean the only time we hear about a "threatening" robot, is during that "last fish in a tank" episode when a robot says he'd call a "guard robot" (or something) to stop Yuu, but all those robots are no longer operational. Police-kind robots would hardly be a threat to mankind.

We also see the army of titan robots with lasers, but in episode 11 we find out that these robots are meant to be manned by humans, rather than A.I or computer controlled. I mean, it's still possible that some huge A.I would remotely hack and control machines and stuff, BUT

In manga, so it's quite hard to believe that such A.I would go full "killing humans is the only way to rid them from their misery" mode :)

Thank you for your thoughts (everybody else too :) ). I just don't want them girls to be all alone m8, even if they're fine with that as long as they're together, it's still incredibly sad and depressing to "surrender" to that theory.


Thinking about this, I'm also intrigued to know what people think about how the manga will most likely end and how they'd want it to end. :0 guess i'll open a new thread in manga section xD

Revvie-chan said:
@AzorAhai wait... it's over? Man I need to catch up. She said nothing at all about it, Tsukumizu, in her twitter.
Well, I guess anime BD sales hit manga as usual. (makes sense considering how high were the price.)
Not that it's a problem for this series, at least. The anime came out at the perfect point, one that would allow the writer to end it if she wants it, or continue it if she needs to.

AzorAhai said:


Tsukumizu twitted once that she had lots of plans about the story, but as the anime ended (manga chapter 41 was released back then) we received a shocking (xD) announcement that chapter 42 would be the last one!

:( guess she got bored or just wanted to end it all quickly...