so who's the real villain in this show?

Apr 16, 2017 3:29 AM

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first of all it was what a rollercoaster ending for this show , it may hard but i guess that's is the best end.

what i don't know is who's the villain
on all appointment , Rustal ellion is to be consideretly the main antagonist of this show probably because he have clash with tekkadan and want to rule the world. however at the epilogue he's the one who makes the happy ending by disbanding seven stars and erase human debris and look like he's the real hero of this show.

on the other hand, mcgillis is to be considerately the main villain because all of that disaster (tekkadan disbandment , death of the MC) was happen because of him. just because he wan't to rule gjallarhorn .doesn't meant he need to make a disaster to it, right?

so , who's the real villain?

Apr 16, 2017 10:52 AM

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There was never a "real villain" in this series. While I have heard that this lacks the... "spirit" of Gundam, where the good guys get together and defeat evildoers (e.g. an ordinary setting), I refuse to believe such nonsense. While this Gundam theme is not "heroism" or "justice", it does an outstanding work depicting interhuman relations, where blind pride and borderless ambitions lead and how important compassion is.
McGillis was the same as Tekkadan, except he had no bonds. He had no brotherhood or family to stand up for, and he ultimately decided on wreaking havoc on the system that disfigured his mind. He was a child all along, acting on anger towards the world he came in, only in the very end comming in terms with the fact that he was not alone, while Gaelio and Carta were there with him, he simply shut himself in, unable to acknowledge them out of shame for himself.
Rustal never got a chance for others to know him better, but in the end he served as a conduit of reason, human logic and balance. While he kept on using underhanded and even hideous, ultimately he only wanted to bring order to the world.
Tekkadan stopped being a heroic organisation half the way through second season. They had all the establishment they needed to provide for their family. They could keep on slowly growing and being an example for the world, leading to the same fate of Human Debris and child soldiers that they achieved through disbandment. Except they decided to escalate it all and achieve everything in one go, "become kings of Mars". This is as childish as McGillis way of rule through brute force. Orga never bailed out of a doomed deal between them, and he is not the only one to blame: the pressure from the rest of the team, without Biscuit who could say a definite:"No." made Orga keep on going towards their sought destination. While doing it for his family he lost sight of reality and did not abide by Naze's will for the Tekkadan. They kept on building up speed before the friction caught up to them. The ultimately achieved what they wanted - a world without child soldiers and peace through "soft power", a honest living Orga wanted to have for the kids. Except the sacrificies that came to be were saddening, for most. It all could have been avoided, probably. As usual, in retrospective.
Who is the real villain? There were not some ultimate evil that threates all existence or a side that wanted absolute control over the human world for their idealistic dystopia. There was a bunch of ultimate scum that should not be called "evil", since "evil" would be humiliated by being associated with them. In the end they got what they deserved, and some in somewhat fitting ways (Nobliss Gordon, Jasley, Coral,...). Though if you insist, this series implies, that the real villain is the "human" itself. Through misguiding and being misguided, anger and bloodthirst, mercilessness and inconsideration, ambitions and pride, the human lays waste to humanity and creates chaos, even while doing so in the name of "greater good", yet in the end it works out, somewhat, well.
This series is a realistic one implying the flaws of humanity as a species and the lack of Humanity therein.

Oh and then there were mobile armours that you could consider a product of villainous, malicious desire and an agent of chaos, yet they decided not to dwell too deep in this regards. It could be just around the corner, waiting until the next installment of Gundam comes in.

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Apr 16, 2017 12:51 PM

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Daniel_Naumov said:
There was never a "real villain" in this series. While I have heard that this lacks the... "spirit" of Gundam, where the good guys get together and defeat evildoers (e.g. an ordinary setting).

Um no... Have you watched any other Gundams before.

Apr 16, 2017 1:28 PM

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iliekmudkip said:

Um no... Have you watched any other Gundams before.

I was on edge whether to include that or not, but no, this series is my introduction to Gundam. Though, as far as I am concerned it would be (the best one) my favourite either way.
Though I have read on some other Gundam series plot, as I meant it in a way that there is NO obviousl, unquestionabl from both moral and legal standing villains, that needed defeating. In this instance, the fiercest villain was always inside.

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Apr 16, 2017 3:30 PM

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Real villains? No one. Everyone.

But there are heroes, make no mistake about that.

Apr 16, 2017 4:38 PM

Daniel_Naumov

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Except they do not take form of a all-saving justice warriour. It can even be speculated on WHO can be called a hero. Though, I would like to believe, there are.

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Apr 21, 2017 6:45 AM

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Mcgillis was the villain. He died, the villain always dies in Gundam. But Rustal was also the villain, so it's more a Neo Zeon and Titans type thing at the end of Gundam Zeta where Scirocco dies and Haman lives (Double IBO when?).

Apr 22, 2017 4:56 PM

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Mcgillis was arguably the most morally in the wrong character of the show, pretty much every conflict in the show and casualty was the result of his actions. Whether the ends justify the means in his goal is up to the viewer but theres really no way around how many innocents died because of him tekkadan included.

at the end of the day this is one of the most gray gundam entries cause tekkadan, mcgillis, and rustal were pretty much all in the wrong and it was simply a matter of who made it out to the end as the victor more so than one being the right. I would say tekkadan was the most innocent but due to their affiliation with mcgillis they got involved ina conflict they never would have and payed the price for it. They are actually guilty by association.

JizzyHitlerApr 22, 2017 5:04 PM

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Apr 26, 2017 1:57 AM

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KanameFujiwara said:
Real villains? No one. Everyone.

But there are heroes, make no mistake about that.

Fair enough.

If people are still loving Iron blooded orphans, let them love it. I have been enjoying that show more than not since the halfway of season 2 started.

Oh, I really don't give a flying crap about Iok Kujan, that idiotic character who likes to chew scenery all the time. The only I hate about was Nobliss gordon, that fat pieces of shit who deserve to die in the first place & it does feel like he's insulting me than Rustal elion which was worst. I mean why is everyone thought that Mcgillis Fareed was actually a villian? Was that really Rustal, obviously? SMH....

JafriZinApr 26, 2017 2:01 AM

May 20, 2017 11:39 PM

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iliekmudkip said:

Um no... Have you watched any other Gundams before.

gundam has done many many things..... that defies human logic or need.

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