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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- It's ok Arata, it's just character growth pain T_T Selfishness has always been Taichi's main trait, but he's really overdoing it. When even his mom says that he should be nicer to his friends, you know that he's being a prick. |
goblinlady said: THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- It's ok Arata, it's just character growth pain T_T Selfishness has always been Taichi's main trait, but he's really overdoing it. When even his mom says that he should be nicer to his friends, you know that he's being a prick. Would you care to explain in what way Taichi over did his "selfishness" -especially in this chapter? You saw just what happened to Chihaya and their team after Taichi left,right? All this time Taichi was the one who did everything that Chihaya did after he left. - is that selfishness? Chihaya was able to get stronger, play the way she want because Taichi took care of the responsibility in the team that she asked to make - is that selfish? Chihaya and the rest of the team was able to concentrate on their matches because Taichi was looking after them, dividing his focus in his match and for his team - is that selfish? Taichi has mean side and yes, he can also be selfish BUT he wasn't the only one. You can see a lot of characters in this manga showing their selfishness and Arata is not an exception. Arata made a team even though it's already his last year. Those teammates of his adore him and so they decided to join him. But while they are busy giving their all for their match, Arata was busy trying to get Chihaya's attention. However you only saw Taichi's selfishness and disregarded the things that he did for Chihaya and his team - for all these years |
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Nunnally03 said: goblinlady said: THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- It's ok Arata, it's just character growth pain T_T Selfishness has always been Taichi's main trait, but he's really overdoing it. When even his mom says that he should be nicer to his friends, you know that he's being a prick. Would you care to explain in what way Taichi over did his "selfishness" -especially in this chapter? You saw just what happened to Chihaya and their team after Taichi left,right? All this time Taichi was the one who did everything that Chihaya did after he left. - is that selfishness? Chihaya was able to get stronger, play the way she want because Taichi took care of the responsibility in the team that she asked to make - is that selfish? Chihaya and the rest of the team was able to concentrate on their matches because Taichi was looking after them, dividing his focus in his match and for his team - is that selfish? Taichi has mean side and yes, he can also be selfish BUT he wasn't the only one. You can see a lot of characters in this manga showing their selfishness and Arata is not an exception. Arata made a team even though it's already his last year. Those teammates of his adore him and so they decided to join him. But while they are busy giving their all for their match, Arata was busy trying to get Chihaya's attention. However you only saw Taichi's selfishness and disregarded the things that he did for Chihaya and his team - for all these years That person is arata's fan, what do you honestly expect from her? To arata fans, taichi is the main villian of this manga. They are highly blind when it comes to chihaya and arata's selfishness and flaws. Whatever taichi does is wrong in their eyes. He selflessly helps chihaya to form a club and then lead the team without thinking of himself--->arata fans: he is so selfish! He wants to stay close to chihaya! He finally decides to distance himself from chihaya--->arata fans: he is so selfish! He left her and the team! He should act like their slave even if its killing him inside! Seriously! He comforted your boy in this chapter and you call him selfish? Lol how bitter can you get? Just admit it..you hate him due to other reasons rather than his character. Stop painting him as the bad guy. The author never presented him as one and never will |
goblinlady said: THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- It's ok Arata, it's just character growth pain T_T Selfishness has always been Taichi's main trait, but he's really overdoing it. When even his mom says that he should be nicer to his friends, you know that he's being a prick. So according to your logic, during the first year team tournament arata was being a prick when he passed on the gift with the same message instead of staying or meeting chihaya and taichi? Taichi did the same thing this chapter. Double standard much? |
goblinlady said: THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- It's ok Arata, it's just character growth pain T_T Selfishness has always been Taichi's main trait, but he's really overdoing it. When even his mom says that he should be nicer to his friends, you know that he's being a prick. The scanlated/translated chapter haven't been released yet but you already started this thread. As a thread starter you should be more "responsible" in what you will post. As you can see there were Arata and Taichi fans who also started a chapter thread but no matter how bad the chapter is for them, they never posted the way you did. That is the "responsibility" of a thread starter. |
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OscarACK said: it's still raws -not translated.Where can i read this chapter? |
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| Hey, I like Taichi as a chracter. He's a great character and pretty realistic in his being a prick to the people who don't immediately fit whatever gap he needs them to, what with being a spoiled rich kid who has everything going for him. His main character trait has always been 'he's kind of a prick'. As a kid, and as an adult as well. His character development plot has always been about him trying to grow out of being a selfish prick. He does not know how to deal with failure or things not going his own way, and that has been at the centre of his every plot point - hell, the only reason he left the club was because he can't handle being rejected, as if Chihaya asked him to pretend to be her friend and companion. To Chihaya, he has always been a Nice Guy™ so yeah, I don't ship it. While I like the idea of Arata, I really hate the way they do his development so imho that ship has pretty much sailed long ago. I don't ship Chihaya with anyone but karuta :P. He's selfish because he doesn't know how to comfort anyone. Even if he wants to, he is incapable of it. He doesn't understand the concept of cheering your friends on, unless there is something you gain from it. Yes, he believes that they will win the individual matches, but that doesn't mean he's not leaving his friends alone because he can't understand why they would want a dear friend in the audience cheering him on. He's doing the absolute minimum to be there for his friends, and we're supposed to appreciate that? Even his mom realises that when you have a friend doing an important thing, the socially appropriate thing to do is cheer them on. Of course it doesn't make a difference to their game, but it does to their morale. Also you guys are really projecting a lot. |
goblinlady said: Hey, I like Taichi as a chracter. He's a great character and pretty realistic in his being a prick to the people who don't immediately fit whatever gap he needs them to, what with being a spoiled rich kid who has everything going for him. His main character trait has always been 'he's kind of a prick'. As a kid, and as an adult as well. His character development plot has always been about him trying to grow out of being a selfish prick. He does not know how to deal with failure or things not going his own way, and that has been at the centre of his every plot point - hell, the only reason he left the club was because he can't handle being rejected, as if Chihaya asked him to pretend to be her friend and companion. To Chihaya, he has always been a Nice Guy™ so yeah, I don't ship it. While I like the idea of Arata, I really hate the way they do his development so imho that ship has pretty much sailed long ago. I don't ship Chihaya with anyone but karuta :P. He's selfish because he doesn't know how to comfort anyone. Even if he wants to, he is incapable of it. He doesn't understand the concept of cheering your friends on, unless there is something you gain from it. Yes, he believes that they will win the individual matches, but that doesn't mean he's not leaving his friends alone because he can't understand why they would want a dear friend in the audience cheering him on. He's doing the absolute minimum to be there for his friends, and we're supposed to appreciate that? Even his mom realises that when you have a friend doing an important thing, the socially appropriate thing to do is cheer them on. Of course it doesn't make a difference to their game, but it does to their morale. Also you guys are really projecting a lot. They are not projecting. That's why I said you have to be more responsible with what you will post as if you decided to start a chapter thread, cause it may lead to shipping war, or war of rivalries. |
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goblinlady said: He's selfish because he doesn't know how to comfort anyone. Even if he wants to, he is incapable of it. He doesn't understand the concept of cheering your friends on, unless there is something you gain from it. Yes, he believes that they will win the individual matches, but that doesn't mean he's not leaving his friends alone because he can't understand why they would want a dear friend in the audience cheering him on. He's doing the absolute minimum to be there for his friends, and we're supposed to appreciate that? Even his mom realises that when you have a friend doing an important thing, the socially appropriate thing to do is cheer them on. Of course it doesn't make a difference to their game, but it does to their morale. Also you guys are really projecting a lot. How about you wait for the actual translation before making assumptions? Its not that taichi didn't know how to comfort arata. He knew exactly what he was going through at that moment and that no words of comfort would take his pain away. Him leaving behind sweets with the message not only cheered chihaya but arata and the team as well. Look at the panel, they all have blush in their cheeks which means they are happy/touched by his gesture. Taichi was not expecting to be welcome in such a warm way because he thought he was the lowest person in nishida's flashback. Now after knowing how much he's loved by everyone, he's working hard at karuta with a strong determination to pay them back. Just like arata did for chihaya taichi when they reached out to him and brought him back to karuta. Suetsugu is making parallels between arata and taichi's actions. If you think taichi was a prick for not staying and cheering his friends then arata is a prick too, right? As he didn't stay for chihaya and taichi either and left them with a message instead. |
| (I'm new here...) When can we expect a new chapter??? O.O Also, why such a looong wait between them? Lastly, since the subbed version isn't out yet, what in the world happened between Chi& T-H-E man Taichi in this chapter/??? His thoughts/feelings? |
landofthekwt said: Chapter 165 came out on April 15 Chapter 166 came out on April 29. Chapter 167 came out on May 14. Chapter 168 will not be out till July 1 Whoa whoa whoa, really!?! o.O But why aren't there any uploads on manga sites? Also, what about Taichi & Chihaya? Any development? |
kay91 said: Him leaving behind sweets with the message not only cheered chihaya but arata and the team as well. Look at the panel, they all have blush in their cheeks which means they are happy/touched by his gesture. Just because they're friends who appreciate the smallest gesture doesn't mean that the action is not minimal. Taichi was not expecting to be welcome in such a warm way because he thought he was the lowest person in nishida's flashback. Now after knowing how much he's loved by everyone, he's working hard at karuta with a strong determination to pay them back. But the thing is he had no reason to assume that. He only left the club because Chihaya rejected him. The fact that he was playing karuta without having a real passion for it doesn't matter to anyone but himself. Just like arata did for chihaya taichi when they reached out to him and brought him back to karuta. Arata had a really good reason for it, though... I think that Arata in general has issues connecting to people, not denying it, but in that particular case it was a genuinely traumatic event that pushed him to withdraw. You'll get rejected by girls a thousand time in a lifetime, but only once will you not be there for your closest friend when they die. Suetsugu is making parallels between arata and taichi's actions. If you think taichi was a prick for not staying and cheering his friends then arata is a prick too, right? As he didn't stay for chihaya and taichi either and left them with a message instead. Arata has always been an outsider to the group. He lives in a different place, he doesn't really stay in touch, he doesn't really know what's going on with our group outside actual karuta matches. He's not really a friend, so much as some mysterious presence whose greatness is amplified by his absence. I don't think it's pricky that Taichi didn't comfort Arata since their relationship doesn't work that way, but a friend stays on to support their friends. |
goblinlady said: kay91 said: Him leaving behind sweets with the message not only cheered chihaya but arata and the team as well. Look at the panel, they all have blush in their cheeks which means they are happy/touched by his gesture. Just because they're friends who appreciate the smallest gesture doesn't mean that the action is not minimal. Taichi was not expecting to be welcome in such a warm way because he thought he was the lowest person in nishida's flashback. Now after knowing how much he's loved by everyone, he's working hard at karuta with a strong determination to pay them back. But the thing is he had no reason to assume that. He only left the club because Chihaya rejected him. The fact that he was playing karuta without having a real passion for it doesn't matter to anyone but himself. Just like arata did for chihaya taichi when they reached out to him and brought him back to karuta. Arata had a really good reason for it, though... I think that Arata in general has issues connecting to people, not denying it, but in that particular case it was a genuinely traumatic event that pushed him to withdraw. You'll get rejected by girls a thousand time in a lifetime, but only once will you not be there for your closest friend when they die. Suetsugu is making parallels between arata and taichi's actions. If you think taichi was a prick for not staying and cheering his friends then arata is a prick too, right? As he didn't stay for chihaya and taichi either and left them with a message instead. Arata has always been an outsider to the group. He lives in a different place, he doesn't really stay in touch, he doesn't really know what's going on with our group outside actual karuta matches. He's not really a friend, so much as some mysterious presence whose greatness is amplified by his absence. I don't think it's pricky that Taichi didn't comfort Arata since their relationship doesn't work that way, but a friend stays on to support their friends. I see. You are trying way too hard to paint taichi in a bad light. Taichi didn't do anything wrong in this chapter. You are just nitpicking for the sake of it. I guess you are mad at him because he ruined your anticipated lovey dovey moment between arata chihaya. Just because he said "sorry" to his team doesn't mean everything is back to "normal" and that he is free from the guilt. He isn't. It will be too awkward for him to act normal with them after how he left the club especially with chihaya. That's why he didn't stay and is instead working hard on tatami and getting stronger to pay them back for their kindness and love. They love taichi and are happy to know he's still playing. That's all they want right now from him. I don't see how the comparison between taichi and arata's action doesn't work with you. Arata was at his lowest when chihaya taichi reached out to him, same goes for taichi. It doesn't matter who had the worst situation, they were both suffering at that moment. Taichi didn't comfort him (directly) but not because "their relationship doesn't work that way", but because he knew his words won't reach arata as he knows what the poor soul is going through. When someone loses, they don't want to see/talk to anyone (taichi said something similar to this). He never comforted chihaya either. Actually no one in chihayafuru comforted anyone after their loss. Lol so arata is not their buddy now? That's why he didn't stay? So why do you expect taichi to comfort him? And if the reason arata didn't stay was because he felt like an outsider then taichi is in the same boat right now, no? He's been separated from the team for 3-4 months and during this time a lot of things changed. Even chihaya realized things were different after her leave from the club and she was away for like few weeks? So yeah taichi was feeling like an outsider too. P.S. I'm pretty sure you'll stick to your version so don't bother to reply me. I feel like I'm talking to a brick here. |
| Arata is a childhood friend that Chihaya has talked in person... 5 times in the past 4 years? Has he even met anyone from Chihaya's team? Taichi was pretty much Chihaya's best friend (and a dear friend for everyone in the team, that everyone looks up to). Different types of interaction, is all. I don't see why you'd insist on my being mad at him for spoiling arataxchihaya. I've already clarified that that ship has kind of sailed for me. Arata's confession was lovely and perfectly timed, yet it still did not set in. He just can't top that :P Was Taichi working on the tatami for them, or did he finally start enjoying it as an individual player? Hasn't he clearly stated that karuta is way more fun alone a few chapters ago? Did he go out to work hard, or did it kind of fall in his lap? Didn't he bring the entire drama on his own to begin with? Taichi's a good character, but that doesn't make him less of a terrible friend. I'm not talking about the taichi and arata scene, that seemed natural, in character, and acceptable. I'm talking about Taichi not being there to support his team; that's in character, but to me it's a sh*tty thing to do. Perhaps we value friendship differently? |
FentasticJun 4, 2016 9:31 AM
goblinlady said: Arata is a childhood friend that Chihaya has talked in person... 5 times in the past 4 years? Has he even met anyone from Chihaya's team? Taichi was pretty much Chihaya's best friend (and a dear friend for everyone in the team, that everyone looks up to). Different types of interaction, is all. I don't see why you'd insist on my being mad at him for spoiling arataxchihaya. I've already clarified that that ship has kind of sailed for me. Arata's confession was lovely and perfectly timed, yet it still did not set in. He just can't top that :P Was Taichi working on the tatami for them, or did he finally start enjoying it as an individual player? Hasn't he clearly stated that karuta is way more fun alone a few chapters ago? Did he go out to work hard, or did it kind of fall in his lap? Didn't he bring the entire drama on his own to begin with? Taichi's a good character, but that doesn't make him less of a terrible friend. I'm not talking about the taichi and arata scene, that seemed natural, in character, and acceptable. I'm talking about Taichi not being there to support his team; that's in character, but to me it's a sh*tty thing to do. Perhaps we value friendship differently? So you brought up arata and chihaya meeting for 4-5 times a year to claim they are not close friends but you believe in their "love" lol. Aren't you contradicting here? They aren't close and dont know much about each other but are deeply in love? Does that even work? Anyways i don't about shipping but most chiharata fans do. And they hate taichi because he steals arata's thunder and interrupt their love development. Plain bitterness and jealousy. It was individuals' matches anyway so arata didn't need to know the other members. He could watch chihaya's match who specifically invited to watch her play. But he didn't. Such a terrible friend/lover lol If you pay attention to the poems, you would know that taichi wasn't happy being solo at all. All the poems on that panel were about longing for a lover, loneliness and wanting to go back. He left because he was suffering with karuta for a while and after rejection he couldn't play at all (black cards). Even without the rejection he would have quit at some point because he kept losing every match after working so hard. Even chihaya was worried he would quit if she go easy on him. Like kana said to chihaya, it's better to leave than spreading your negativity to others on the tatami. He stayed for a couple of days after the rejection but seeing chihaya's ntr face he realised its futile to act like everything is ok. So i can't blame him for leaving but yes he could have left in a better way. I don't understand your logic. Why was taichi's staying there so important for you? His team doesn't really need him there. They wanted him to come and play with them as a team. He came back and apologized. That's enough for them. His message motivated them enough to do their best. His presence isn't necessary. They know that taichi cares about them and that he didn't stop playing karuta as he promised to meet them in the next match. You are just nitpicking. Ignoring all his sacrifices for chihaya and the team and exaggerating one thing to call him a terrible friend. If he was so terrible why do all the characters in the manga like him? Remember even sado came to his birthday? Because he is a good person at heart who tries his hardest to get rid of his flaws. I feel sorry for your real life friends if that's how you judge their sincerity. You are just too blinded with hate to realize that taichi has a lot of good qualities. You are just focusing on his bad qualities and even exaggerating them. You should reread the manga without being so biased. Maybe you'll realize what the author is trying to convey is that people aren't perfect. If they want to change themselves then they have to be persistent and keep going at it. Chihaya and arata aren't angels either. Like you, i can focus on their flaws too and call them terrible people but i wouldn't. I'm not that narrow-minded. I don't get stuck at one of their flaws and keep ignoring their redeeming qualities. I guess that's why i fully enjoy the manga and love all the characters despite their flaws. Taichi has done a lot of bad things but this is not one of them. So lets agree to disagree. |
| I only read your first sentence because I explained in every post that I am not a shipper, but you still disregard my reading since 'I believe in their love' (even though i clarified multiple times that I don't?). Since you clearly are uninterested in what I have to say in your blind, characters-can-only-be-black-and-white worship of either Taichi or Arata, I fail to see why I should interested in your response. I am sure that nothing but ad ominems and insistence that I am unable to read a YA manga are inside. Chihaya is an amazing story about poetry, friendship, struggle, teamwork and growth. It's your right to ignore the amazing depth of this series in favour of your ship, just as it is my right to ignore you. |
| Well, Im not fan of any side but when I read and watch Chihayafuru, I can totally understand that Chiha like Arata as like Karuta. Chihaya is connected with Karuta so she always like Arata too. Because she said that "I want to become person who can respond in kind to that(Arata) passion". So clearly she plays karuta to play with Arata. And she wanted to be Arata's level. When Taichi comes in this episode, Nishima said that taichi came but she didnt even give react. Because when she plays karuta she doesnt even care other things. But when she thinks about Karuta, she also thinks Arata. Well I appreciate that Taichi hard-working. But in the end sometimes no matter how you hard work, you cant get what you want. Its about feelings. So Chihaya never seen Taichi as a lover. But she even wrote poems to Arata (Chapter 93). Also she said that "I always like Karuta and Arata" This is really big word. Yes she care about Taichi more than anyone in her team. But things comes to Arata, she is more sensitive. She cry when she see to he start to karuta again, she impress when he play karuta, she listen every word that arata say, she want stay with arata. She was too exciting after Arata's confess. So I think this story will end with ArataxChihaya. Plus, after taichi getting rejected taichi know that this is impossible love. Because after he leave, she accept that his decision in time. Because she know that her feelings cant comfort him. When taichi confess, she said 2-3 times "It cant be". Because she know that she likes arata and she want stay as a Taichi's best friend. My theories is not my feelings. They are what I watch and read. You all know that but in %5 chance you want that your theories will correct. For example last chapter chiha played with taichi's band. This is not mean that I love Taichi. She played with that band because she wanted to feel "You are with us Taichi". You can see similiar scenes at many anime, this behaviour show nakama feeling. Plus, you miss many scenes about Taichi and Arata. Taichi is too selfish. He see Arata as a "Enemy". He never really wanted to stay with Arata. He is coward. He afraid that when arata comes in, he will take chiha. Even he know that. Thats why he doesnt respond his feelings. For example when arata won agaisnt queen, he run to Taichi first and wanted to high five but Taichi didnt respond. When Arata say "I will come Tokyo", he didnt tell that Chiha. I mean Taichi just care about his love. But Arata isnt same way. Arata didnt even message chiha because of he doubt about that Taichi and Chihaya is couple. He just messaged to Taichi. When any happy moment he always want to share his cheer with taichi. He said many important thing to taichi first. So you can discuss about this things but come on you read manga and watched anime right? There are true feelings. |
SorryJun 5, 2016 1:40 AM
goblinlady said: I only read your first sentence because I explained in every post that I am not a shipper, but you still disregard my reading since 'I believe in their love' (even though i clarified multiple times that I don't?). Since you clearly are uninterested in what I have to say in your blind, characters-can-only-be-black-and-white worship of either Taichi or Arata, I fail to see why I should interested in your response. I am sure that nothing but ad ominems and insistence that I am unable to read a YA manga are inside. Chihaya is an amazing story about poetry, friendship, struggle, teamwork and growth. It's your right to ignore the amazing depth of this series in favour of your ship, just as it is my right to ignore you. Lol i just said I'm not a shipper in my post. I never was and never will be. And I honestly don't like chihaichi ship at all and don't feel chiharata. Btw its YOU who is seeing taichi in black and white. Calling him selfish and a prick when he has done way more selfless things than chihaya and arata. Every character sees him as a kind and gentle person. But yeah let's ignore his good side and focus on his flaws. When am i ignoring the depth of the story? If you bothered to read my post, you'll know that i even pay attention to the poems being read or shown on the panels. I even said i love ALL the characters in the manga with their flaws and all. Its you who is calling taichi selfish, prick and a terrible friend while ignoring all his good actions just because you want a reason to hate him. I don't care if you don't like him but at least have the decency and respect for the writer who has written such a great story with complexed characters. Taichi is the most complexed character out of the trio (chihaya/arata are quite flat compared to him) and you are making him out to be a one dimensional character by ignoring his overall growth as a character. Btw our argument started when you called out taichi's actions as being selfish in this chapter and i explained to you that suetsugu drew a parallel between arata and taichi actions but you gave "excuses" for arata. If taichi is a prick then arata was a prick too! There! If you really love the manga like you claim then you would have realized the parallels going on in this chapter and would not have called out taichi if you weren't looking at him in black and white but you are. So stop playing the victim. And thanks for wasting my time in presenting arguments that you conveniently ignored. |
| Alot of fans are ignoring the poems that are next to the panels or that Suetsugu san puts into pur sight ( i guess because we can't read japanese and know which cards they are....) In the official translated volumes they put the number of the cards next to the panels, obviously because Suetsugu san wants us to consider them. In the forums in MF some of the fans have been indicating the cards....and they sure tell their own story! Btw Taichi admitted that he sees Arata as an enemy/rival.......in the end Arata should stop being a good boy and admit his true feelings about Taichi as well..... |
chiakimagotoSep 12, 2018 7:52 AM
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| Hope Chihaya win against queen on upcoming individual match. |
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kay91 said: goblinlady said: I only read your first sentence because I explained in every post that I am not a shipper, but you still disregard my reading since 'I believe in their love' (even though i clarified multiple times that I don't?). Since you clearly are uninterested in what I have to say in your blind, characters-can-only-be-black-and-white worship of either Taichi or Arata, I fail to see why I should interested in your response. I am sure that nothing but ad ominems and insistence that I am unable to read a YA manga are inside. Chihaya is an amazing story about poetry, friendship, struggle, teamwork and growth. It's your right to ignore the amazing depth of this series in favour of your ship, just as it is my right to ignore you. Lol i just said I'm not a shipper in my post. I never was and never will be. And I honestly don't like chihaichi ship at all and don't feel chiharata. Btw its YOU who is seeing taichi in black and white. Calling him selfish and a prick when he has done way more selfless things than chihaya and arata. Every character sees him as a kind and gentle person. But yeah let's ignore his good side and focus on his flaws. When am i ignoring the depth of the story? If you bothered to read my post, you'll know that i even pay attention to the poems being read or shown on the panels. I even said i love ALL the characters in the manga with their flaws and all. Its you who is calling taichi selfish, prick and a terrible friend while ignoring all his good actions just because you want a reason to hate him. I don't care if you don't like him but at least have the decency and respect for the writer who has written such a great story with complexed characters. Taichi is the most complexed character out of the trio (chihaya/arata are quite flat compared to him) and you are making him out to be a one dimensional character by ignoring his overall growth as a character. Btw our argument started when you called out taichi's actions as being selfish in this chapter and i explained to you that suetsugu drew a parallel between arata and taichi actions but you gave "excuses" for arata. If taichi is a prick then arata was a prick too! There! If you really love the manga like you claim then you would have realized the parallels going on in this chapter and would not have called out taichi if you weren't looking at him in black and white but you are. So stop playing the victim. And thanks for wasting my time in presenting arguments that you conveniently ignored. Sometimes we just have to learn to ignore brick walls. I see the manga in a similar way as you do and Taichi has always been presented to be selfish and he KNOWS that he is selfish, thus attempting to better himself as a person in this latest arc. This chapter like you said has nothing to do with his selfishness. I doubt OP even understood what was happening and did guesswork based on the raws. |
| This is why she shouldn't have made this thread before the actual translation came out. Now it's hard to discuss things because this whole argument |
| For salty fans |
ClawViper said: kay91 said: Lol i just said I'm not a shipper in my post. I never was and never will be. And I honestly don't like chihaichi ship at all and don't feel chiharata. Btw its YOU who is seeing taichi in black and white. Calling him selfish and a prick when he has done way more selfless things than chihaya and arata. Every character sees him as a kind and gentle person. But yeah let's ignore his good side and focus on his flaws. When am i ignoring the depth of the story? If you bothered to read my post, you'll know that i even pay attention to the poems being read or shown on the panels. I even said i love ALL the characters in the manga with their flaws and all. Its you who is calling taichi selfish, prick and a terrible friend while ignoring all his good actions just because you want a reason to hate him. I don't care if you don't like him but at least have the decency and respect for the writer who has written such a great story with complexed characters. Taichi is the most complexed character out of the trio (chihaya/arata are quite flat compared to him) and you are making him out to be a one dimensional character by ignoring his overall growth as a character. Btw our argument started when you called out taichi's actions as being selfish in this chapter and i explained to you that suetsugu drew a parallel between arata and taichi actions but you gave "excuses" for arata. If taichi is a prick then arata was a prick too! There! If you really love the manga like you claim then you would have realized the parallels going on in this chapter and would not have called out taichi if you weren't looking at him in black and white but you are. So stop playing the victim. And thanks for wasting my time in presenting arguments that you conveniently ignored. Sometimes we just have to learn to ignore brick walls. I see the manga in a similar way as you do and Taichi has always been presented to be selfish and he KNOWS that he is selfish, thus attempting to better himself as a person in this latest arc. This chapter like you said has nothing to do with his selfishness. I doubt OP even understood what was happening and did guesswork based on the raws. From now on i will never ever argue with someone online again. It's a waste of time because they don't even wanna listen. And this stupid argument disturbed the whole thread. I apologize for that. P.S. That's cloud in your dp, right? Are you excited for the remake? :) |
ClawViper said: Sometimes we just have to learn to ignore brick walls. I see the manga in a similar way as you do and Taichi has always been presented to be selfish and he KNOWS that he is selfish, thus attempting to better himself as a person in this latest arc. This chapter like you said has nothing to do with his selfishness. I doubt OP even understood what was happening and did guesswork based on the raws. It's not guesswork, it's reading. (can you guys please stop making assumptions or veiled insults? kthx). Reading can be a subjective experience at times. What makes Taichi a good character is that he has, over the years, tried to fight his selfishness. However, i think that he kind of blew that development in the way he handled his confession to Chihaya. In the end, despite his wanting to get better and work to better himself, that primary school kid who just can't stand not getting what he wants won over. I felt his pain, and though the outcome was terrible for everyone he's a teen who got rejected so it was understandable. His simply being here for the tournament right after Suou (of all people) pointed out that he should be a bit more grateful to the world around him was (to me) meant to be a turning point, when he finally manages to overcome that aspect of his and be there for his friends, because that's what friends do: support one another, even if there's nothing in it for you. I'm just disappointed that he couldn't go all the way with it, and the fact that even his mom catches on to that social cue was meant to be a hint, I think. It is consistent with his character, but it is consistent with an aspect of his character that I personally dislike. *shrug* MTKN1998 said: This is why she shouldn't have made this thread before the actual translation came out. Now it's hard to discuss things because this whole argument Sorry =( chiakimagoto said: Alot of fans are ignoring the poems that are next to the panels or that Suetsugu san puts into pur sight ( i guess because we can't read japanese and know which cards they are....) In the official translated volumes they put the number of the cards next to the panels, obviously because Suetsugu san wants us to consider them. In the forums in MF some of the fans have been indicating the cards....and they sure tell their own story! I didn't notice them the first time, since Suetsugu tends to use random cards at times (if there is a special significance they usually have someone point it out), and sometimes heavily relies on subjective interpretation (inevitable, given the nature of the poems). Some of them seem to fit the story, but others don't, so I would assume them to be randomly placed... but I'd love to hear the interpretations =). I felt sorry for leading to the argument so I wrote them out. Usually the poems rely on interpretations based on context etc. that you can't find in English (to my knowledge), and the translations in this collection aren't perfect, but it might serve as a decent outline http://jti.lib.virginia.edu/japanese/hyakunin/hyakua.html for the poems Order from top to bottom: #28 #85 #33 #88 #35 #86 #25 #59 |
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| on the forum Manga fox, Symbolism breakdown, there is one of the fans that has been pointing out the cards that are next to panels in some chapters.......it's all pretty heartbreaking to me.......ofcourse we can interpret the poems as we like, but i think Suetsugu san has definitely, specifically chosen these poems, relating to what is going on in the story. here's a good site, with more about the poems: https://100poets.wordpress.com/ |
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| It's been a while since I've read this,but still as good as ever. Looking forward to the individual matches. |
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| I still don't understand what chihaya thinks about arata. She blushes every time in their meeting but thinks about taichi for rest of the day. It's getting messed up. |
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| I was trying to read the impressions about the episode but I just could read people discussing about shipps |
| It's happening holy shit. Never would've thought, a day will come where Chihaya will say Taichi-Taichi....... It was always Arata. Finally days of happiness are coming. |
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