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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Creepy~ Probably one of the more serious episode in terms of content. I felt bad for this girl:  The essence of the marionette-like figures is creepy. However, I will say that the episode has a sense of creativity in itself too with some thrilling narrative and perhaps the butterfly symbolism. |
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| Felt bad for the girl, those creeps got what they deserved Pretty interesting how Akechi's best friend is the real/first 20 Faces |
| The second half was awesome, the shots were really cool and the song as always amazing. Akechi is going for Twenty Faces since he and his friend in the past created it and he realised the mistake too late. |
| This was a pretty interesting episode, learning about the origin of 20 Faces. Felt bad for Higashikoji after seeing the shit she went through. And that three-minute shocking thing needs to stop. It was alright the first time they used that joke, but it's just not funny anymore. |
thebrentinator24Aug 20, 2015 12:18 PM
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| Definitely one of the best episodes that this show has had so far. Seeing Akechi's past and how he relates to the origins of Twenty Faces (hence explaining his desire to catch all the Twenty Faces killers) was very interesting, and I really liked the way they played with the visuals during that sequence. Like other people though, I did also feel sorry for Higashikoji: her life on Panorama Island was pretty messed up, and she is probably the most justified out of all the Twenty Faces killers we have seen so far. Other than the three-minute shocking, which really needs to be binned, this show needs more episodes like this. |
Takuan_Soho said: Stark700 said: The essence of the marionette-like figures is creepy. However, I will say that the episode has a sense of creativity in itself too with some thrilling narrative and perhaps the butterfly symbolism. Best episode since 2, finally starting to bring Laplace into the equation (hah), the Demon is the theory that if you can predict the movement of ever atom in the universe you can predict all future events. So the butterfly motif relates to the "butterfly effect", that small unknown changes can multiple and in the end upset the ability of the Demon to predict. I think the flaw that Akechi discovered (but annoying never explained) is that if one creates the end (i.e. 20 faces punishes villains that the police cannot), the means are also created. So for every twenty face that is created, a villain likewise has to be created, and every villain needs a victim. So far from 20 Faces being good, they are instead CREATING the psychotics that we have seen. So the program (I know it's not quite a program) is actually the cause of both the police inability and the deaths of all those girls (no wonder Akechi is on drugs). This is not an original concept, Frank Miller explained this in the Dark Knight Returns, that Batman's existence helped to create things like the Joker. The mannequins were unfortunately less creativity than copying. The idea of human mannequins goes back to the campy 1960's version of Akechi called the Black Lizard. Humorously, Yukio Mishima was one of the humans turned into one. Face palming line from the show "The law I will create will shed light on the dark world, so lets call it dark star." Dark stars would not shed light, that is why they are dark. Of course I get the symbolism (the Dark Star will end up NOT casting light, but creating more darkness), but still the writing there was pretty bad. So the path is set, Kobayashi is going to fix the program, that is why he is bored with math, he has been working on the formula itself. Or perhaps, he is the embodiment of the "Dark Star", the good parts of the program that is seeking to overcome the error and do what it was originally programmed to do. End result, after 5 episodes of filler, we finally got to the main plot, I hope to god they do something different with the coroner, she is a joke that has long stopped being funny. The mysteries still remain pointlessly simple, but that can be now explained away as a defect in the program: the twenty faces are just normal people corrupted by Dark Star, so that is why they become very easy to catch. It targets people who are in vunerable situations (for example shachico´s father) and "manipulates" them into killing. This system turns people into puppets, it can preddict the future because it controls the present, its like a play, each character does something leading to a end that is already written.... Also, it seems that the original 20faces is not dead, it doesnt seem likely because (the anime is about merging Edogawa Ranpo works) and its develompent is just "normal", is a plot-twist that they coul easly use and it could be used to turn akechi´s quest of "destroying" 20faces into something more "physical" |
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Great episode. Didn't care for the mystery on Panorama Island but I loved the 2nd half about Akechi's past, the formula & the origins of 20 Faces.  When Akechi told Hashiba ''Don't let him die in the first place,'' it felt to me like he knew Hashiba has feelings for Kobayashi.  |
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Takuan_Soho said: SoyMarcosje said: Also, it seems that the original 20faces is not dead....and it could be used to turn akechi´s quest of "destroying" 20faces into something more "physical" I doubt he is dead either, the death was too dramatic and unexplained, I think the friend either did it to stop what he created (hence the existence of Kobayashi) or he faked it to be the final boss. Of course he isn't dead. He simply became a Ghost Rider. I look forward to his reappearance with his epic motorbike.  |
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| Wow, the second half was very interesting. I'm still wondering how Akechi will manage to capture all those 20 Faces. |
| I liked the OST at the end, the beginning of "twenty faces".. not bad, I rather enjoyed this episode especially Akechi's flashback! |
| Really enjoyed this episode! Was great to find out about the first 20 Faces and get to know more about Akechi's backstory! OST was great as always~ |
| Damn that OST was beautiful. |
| Some possible foreshadowing with the hints on Kobayashi's "death" and what will Hashiba do to prevent it. Second half was pretty interesting on Akechi and his friend's founding of Twenty Faces. Nice episode. |
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| Beside Minami appearing again randomly to say something we already knew, it was a good and interesting episode ! |
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| Oh man, it feels great to hear Laplace's probability theory(and to extent laplace's demon) which I guessed being the reason behind the show's title, being mentioned and used within the episode. Basically Akechi and his friend gathered research and observations and according to it created a viral meme most likely to attract people and to cause people to behave in certain predictable ways. A self-fulfilling prophecy so to say. |
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Takuan_Soho said: Stark700 said: The essence of the marionette-like figures is creepy. However, I will say that the episode has a sense of creativity in itself too with some thrilling narrative and perhaps the butterfly symbolism. Best episode since 2, finally starting to bring Laplace into the equation (hah), the Demon is the theory that if you can predict the movement of ever atom in the universe you can predict all future events. So the butterfly motif relates to the "butterfly effect", that small unknown changes can multiple and in the end upset the ability of the Demon to predict. I think the flaw that Akechi discovered (but annoying never explained) is that if one creates the end (i.e. 20 faces punishes villains that the police cannot), the means are also created. So for every twenty face that is created, a villain likewise has to be created, and every villain needs a victim. So far from 20 Faces being good, they are instead CREATING the psychotics that we have seen. So the program (I know it's not quite a program) is actually the cause of both the police inability and the deaths of all those girls (no wonder Akechi is on drugs). This is not an original concept, Frank Miller explained this in the Dark Knight Returns, that Batman's existence helped to create things like the Joker. The mannequins were unfortunately less creativity than copying. The idea of human mannequins goes back to the campy 1960's version of Akechi called the Black Lizard. Humorously, Yukio Mishima was one of the humans turned into one. Face palming line from the show "The law I will create will shed light on the dark world, so lets call it dark star." Dark stars would not shed light, that is why they are dark. Of course I get the symbolism (the Dark Star will end up NOT casting light, but creating more darkness), but still the writing there was pretty bad. So the path is set, Kobayashi is going to fix the program, that is why he is bored with math, he has been working on the formula itself. Or perhaps, he is the embodiment of the "Dark Star", the good parts of the program that is seeking to overcome the error and do what it was originally programmed to do. End result, after 5 episodes of filler, we finally got to the main plot, I hope to god they do something different with the coroner, she is a joke that has long stopped being funny. The mysteries still remain pointlessly simple, but that can be now explained away as a defect in the program: the twenty faces are just normal people corrupted by Dark Star, so that is why they become very easy to catch. Thank you for the explanation. It really helps. |
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| Well, those two idiots deserved it. Poor girl. I especially really liked the second part, once they went into Akechi's story. Thought it was well executed, and the BGM was perfect. Now we know the reason why he's hunting those Twenty Faces down. Liked this episode. |
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| i swear this show gets more fucked up each episode Akechi past was interesting hopefully we get more background on it in future episodes |
| Loved this episode. I really like that theory of how they could predict everything with that equation and the creation of the 20 faces. Really like the scenes that played while he was explaining everything using butterflies for the butterfly effect. I agree with most that the og 20 faces is still alive. I think he's the one that shows up last in the OP when they show all the characters in masks. |
| "you had the courage to stand up to people you shouldn't talk to, you're a goddess" uhmm.... ok? i mean, i know work culture in japan is very strict and extreme but.... a goddess only because she has a nice body and felt bad for her dead friend? they reallly were trying hard giving them reasons to choose her... |
| They spent a whole episode building up this one case to only resolve it in a few minutes. >You killed them right? >I... Yes I confess even though you had no hard evidence to make that assumption with This is the 2nd time this show has pulled this. What's so good about this nonsense? Lazyotk said: i swear this show gets more fucked up each episode Akechi past was interesting hopefully we get more background on it in future episodes Seemed like his backstory was fairly complete. It served its purpose by making sense of why he has a personal stake regarding these 20 Faces murders. |
gedataAug 20, 2015 8:04 PM
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| so like she confessed at the start and they spent the entire episode explainig why |
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| Interesting theory |
| So that woman had mannequins made with her being the model and on top of that, the mannequins are like a billion in number... yikes. Those two bastards really deserved to die that way. But that was hardly the interesting part here. Akechi was the one who started the Twenty Faces thing indirectly through helping his friend who was the only other high schooler who knew high level mathematics. They, in a way, found out that the entire system is full of loopholes which results in a lot of criminals escaping justice. So the way to overcome this was to kill those criminals themselves since the police couldn't. Whoever finds out about a crime where the accused hasn't been punished, should go kill that person which will supposedly reduce the number of criminals and stuff. While it does get rid of some trash, it isn't right for citizens to take the law into their hands, and Akechi probably realized that which is why he tried to stop all this. But he was too late. So now he is trying to solve all Twenty Faces cases in order to show that he was right in his judgment. This new method isn't right. It doesn't solve anything. It just makes you another criminal like them. These Japs here should really review their laws though. |
| I hope that wasnt foreshadowing that Koboyashi is going to die :'( |
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| Meh episode again. Couldn't care about that woman 20 faces. Couldn't care about Akechi's backstory. And fucking Kobayashi wearing a dress again. Sigh. |
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| I'm really stunned how this show manages to get dumber and dumber on a weekly basis. This will be an animated lobotomy by the final. |
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| It didn't make any sense how the solved the case, and the girl admiting it. Introduced Akechi past, and twenty face origin three episodes before the end, the show never had any direction. Expecting something more interesting the next week. |
| Loved the episode. They did well to bring up Akechi's past, including the reason for his obsession with the 20 Faces, and his motivation to stop each and every one of them. I don't believe his "friend" is dead. The way he went out was way too dramatic. |
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| Possibly the most mind boggling episode of Ranpo yet. Day late response, but I had to rewatch the second half twice to grasp what it's trying to entail with all the symbolism, foreshadowing, and heavy details, but even so some parts are just beyond me. The butterfly effect, a process where if one person changes the balance with something small, others will follow and make it into a larger entity that can't be eliminated like a demon no matter how hard the police tries. In this case, it's to seek justice on those who have done heinous acts, but in reality it's like crime is spurring on more crime. My interpretation is that Akechi's friend, the first Twenty Faces, intended shine light on on the dark world (eerily coinciding with the lyrics of the ending song) by making this "pseudo" villian but even though he failed at that, he didn't want to admit it so he tried to force his ideal through admittedly "broken" wings. The flaw I think is that he needed that spark, meaning his sacrifice as this sort of martyr. To save something, you have to give something in turn. Although I doubt Akechi's friend is actually dead, it makes me afraid since there's heavy foreshadowing of MC's potential death/sacrifice or that he will resemble or even become the main Twenty Faces in that way. About the first case, again, I sympathize with the newest Twenty Faces so much, which is understandable, since the Twenty Faces are always portrayed as the victims trying to bring justice through a fitting revenge upon criminals who deserve it, no matter how unrealistic it is. I really liked how Akechi said he's similar to Kagami and the girl in this episode because it shows how he's not arrogant or in mental denial but that he understands the situation realistically and wants to deal with it in his own way with his own power. But, MC will definitely play a big role in it. Despite this huge glob of my opinions and viewpoints, there are probably a gazillion of interpretations some way more accurate than others. Please fill me in if I'm missing important details. So many thoughts are going through my head upon seeing this episode so it's hard to get them all down, even though I normally do not watch horror/thrillers at all. I really love the OST in this episode, but generally, Ranpo's music is extremely well done. Regardless of the fact that the last couple of episodes before this one weren't great, I still have high expectations for the next episode since the anime is actually touching the main plot and giving Akechi development. |
raisa864Aug 21, 2015 9:27 PM
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| Dang, felt bad for the girl who did it but still doesn't really explain how Akechi figured it out. Selling her body like that and not even changing anything ... to be the "model" for the mannequins ... dang yeah, that is creepy >_< I guess she was just pushed past her breaking point and killed the two for it ... D: The second half with Akechi's past and the origins of Twenty Faces was really interesting. So it was a creation from their "formula" and they wanted to make "demon" who could influence society ... too bad that Akechi saw the "mistakes" that were there D: Then the other guy (Namekochi or something?) ended up burning himself ... I guess maybe he realized that it wasn't working so well? I mean he wanted to "prove" its perfection ... I mean they were so young too! I guess Akechi must've still been in junior high ... so that means he's only a high schooler now then ... pretty heavy stuff >_< |
EvianBubble said: so that means he's only a high schooler now then ... pretty heavy stuff >_< they said at the very start of the anime that he has 17 years, if i remember correctly. |
| One of the better episodes. Case aside, it was interesting learning about Akechi's past. |
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| Poor girl, that was a creepy way of being used... We finally were able to see a bit of Akechi's past. |
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| ahahahaha this was SO GAY for fuck sake is this show going to keep trying so hard to look smart? and as most people said, the culprits keep saying "yea i killed him" after getting asked once with no solid evidence jeez |
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| No new episode this week. There's a sports event that airs in this place instead. https://twitter.com/noitamina2010/status/636864353795309573 |
Stark700Aug 27, 2015 4:46 AM
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Stark700 said: No new episode this week. There's a sports event that airs in this place instead. https://twitter.com/noitamina2010/status/636864353795309573 Thanks for the heads up |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. MAL is literally just anime Twitter as its own website lol. |
Stark700 said: No new episode this week. There's a sports event that airs in this place instead. https://twitter.com/noitamina2010/status/636864353795309573 Thanks Stark. I was wondering why it wasn't out. |
| that was pretty interesting |
| Some interesting background behind Twenty Faces. Episode felt a little slow at times, but that might be just me. |
| MAL: A community that thinks every anime is bad, but rates everything a 7/10. |
| 2nd best episode. StrawberryRain said: On the contrary it was more content heavy than about every other episode.Some interesting background behind Twenty Faces. Episode felt a little slow at times, but that might be just me. |
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