Chronological History of IJN Sinkings (Spoilers?)

hivekiller said:
all those ship torpedoed by submarines.

TheMeatwad said:

Battle of Sunda Strait: Fubuki torpedoes 5 of her own ships with Lt. Gen. Imamura Hitoshi aboard one of them

WingKing said:


Actually, based on the evidence most historians now believe the fatal torpedo spread was fired by Mogami, not Fubuki.

Anyway, I doubt they're going to stay wedded to historical outcomes from start to finish. Otherwise it's going to be a very short and tragic series, since Fubuki is the POV character and the real ship was an early casualty (the real Fubuki and Yudachi were never at Wake Island either - Mutsuki was there, but Fubuki was in Indonesia at the time and Yudachi was in the Philippines).

kaimax said:
You keep forgetting Soryu and Hiryu.

TheMeatwad said:

Are you referring to the sinking chronology? I only listed the ships that are in the show. Of course, all four were sunk at Midway.

hivekiller said:


well yeap thats the problem, Soryu and Hiryu are both in the show. :P

TheMeatwad said:

Ah, must've overlooked it then, was going off the MAL list. Edited. Any others I missed? XD

Hystericallify said:
I just saw the Episode list on Wikipedia. Guess what the fifth episode is going to be.

Battle of Midway.

That's some pretty huge death flag you're putting there..

hivekiller said:


you mean the episode name? well, shit.

Hystericallify said:


Yep. Its on here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kantai_Collection_%28anime%29

Look at Episode 5. Fuck, if they're going to sink Kaga AND Akagi (along with the two Nikkousens), I'm going to really cry.

TheMeatwad said:

Well, the US Navy is OP.

fst said:


Ironically US Navy had the shittiest torpedos of... pretty much anyone, for a long time.

HowTragic said:
Is Taihou not on there?

I thought Taihou sunk from a single torp at the Battle of Philippine Sea. That's why her luck's the lowest in the game.

peachhead96 said:
So basically don't get attached to any of the characters???

Amarrez said:

Depending on how nit picky you want to be

http://i.imgur.com/PvuSA6k.jpg

A lot

Hoppy said:


That's a problem because many of us watching it are already Admirals or got attached to them through other means. That's only easy for new viewers.

peachhead96 said:



Would you recommend playing the game, I've only heard about it, but never had the chance to play it. (Kinda the wrong place to ask, sorry!)

kaimax said:


Taihou is literally not in the anime right now, not even a Cameo.

amoex said:


You will break something when you play this game.

Real Kancolle player do not rage over sinking ships, they rage over something else...

hivekiller said:


the rage over the event boss reward and insufficient of resources. xD

hivekiller said:
the rage over the event boss reward and insufficient of resources. xD

Hoppy said:


You can always import the vita version to avoid the raging altogether.

amoex said:


Umm no kankore player get upset over event reward/resources. Some event actually did have "questionable" reward, but all in all I believe no one rage over that.

The maiin culprit of rage are either Compass-chan, or any kind of BB enemy (Ta, Ru, Re). Especially Ru-class BB, they're EVERY FRIGGING WHERE and they ONE SHOT EVERYTHING. "Look at that sparking DD, how cute." BOOM, back to the base you go.



lol does that mean the vita version got less RNG to it?

If so then kankore in vita will not be as fun/rage as the web version.

hivekiller said:


We'll see about that in two weeks, if Akagi, Kaga, Soryu, Hiryu were sunked then more ships will sunk in the future episode. By the ending of this series, most of them will be in the sea lol

TheMeatwad said:

The only historian that has provided post-battle evidence of Mogami also launching torpedoes near the end of the battle was Mark Stille in one of his IJN books (I actually have 4 of his USN books), showing that both Fubuki and Mogami launched torpedoes that would have potentially hit the ships. However, he also states that it is inconclusive, and other historians and survivor accounts say that in fact, both Fubuki and Mogami launched torpedoes at the USS Houston and HMAS Perth, so it was more likely that both contributed to the hits, especially due to the interval of the hits. Mikuma launched hers parallel to the transports so it wasn't hers, and Mogami launched about 45 degrees towards them, while Fubuki launched hers straight in the direction of the transports perpendicularly. In addition, by the time Mogami launched her torpedoes (the northern column arrived later in the battle), most of the transports had already moved further north, and were being screened by the main column of destroyers. Mogami also launched fewer torpedoes, as she could only launch 6 from one side, whereas Fubuki launched 9. In addition, crews from both ships admitted that they could not see where the transports were on the opposite side of Houston and Perth due to the smokescreens put up by both Fubuki and Harukaze.

Forgot to mention, both Fubuki and Mogami's torpedoes missed Houston and Perth, and kept going past them.

WingKing said:


"Inconclusive, but most likely Mogami" is what I keep running across in more recent works, like Jeffrey Cox's book on the Java Sea campaign, for instance. The problem is trying to figure out the timing of events when the only accounts we have are incomplete records from the Japanese plus eyewitness accounts from a handful of Allied POW survivors rescued 3-4 years later, and the Allied and Japanese versions don't even agree on what time Perth fired the first shot of the battle, much less who got hit by whom in all the chaos afterwards. That's how you end up with contradictions like S.E. Morison claiming that two of the Japanese ships were hit and sunk at the very beginning of the battle by Fubuki's first torpedo spread, versus others citing "five explosions" nearly an hour later as the point when the fatal shots were fired, about 8-10 minutes after Mogami launched her torps (and Fubuki having already retired to the north by then, based on what I've read).

TheMeatwad said:

Looks like they added Sunda Strait. XD And you can't really have Midway without showing at least some carriers getting sunk, I mean that was the climax of the battle.

hivekiller said:

Sunda Strait, does that mean we might see some friendly fire?
Lets hope they sunk some of the carriers, not all. Especially <3 Kaga, since Kaga didn't receive a death flag yet.

TheMeatwad said:

Well, there is this image from the anime OP with Akagi.

Hystericallify said:
I just saw the Episode list on Wikipedia. Guess what the fifth episode is going to be.

Battle of Midway.

That's some pretty huge death flag you're putting there..

hivekiller said:


How's Akagi a "real ship" in the OP?

TheMeatwad said:
Well, assuming that Curry Sea = Coral Sea and that it's at episode 6, it's not entirely unreasonable that they end with Guadalcanal chronologically. Of course, it's all in the hands of the writers.

potplant said:


Me thinks it's Indian Ocean (Operation C) so don't expect any casualties...

soluuloi said:
So...which destroyer destroyed in the battle of the Coral Sea?

hivekiller said:
I thought they're going to show Operation FS on the next episode, or Midway battle.

TheMeatwad said:
Well, assuming that Curry Sea = Coral Sea and that it's at episode 6, it's not entirely unreasonable that they end with Guadalcanal chronologically. Of course, it's all in the hands of the writers.

amoex said:


Curry Sea = Indian Sea

http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/World_4

TheMeatwad said:

Well, the US Navy is OP.