Hey, when I saw I was hammered I asked Osie if he wanted me to wait until he announced it. He said I could go ahead, but I didn't see his response until now.
Thanks to @logic340, @Roz1roz, and @MoodBooster for being good teammates, and apologies for not putting as much effort into this as I wanted to.
I felt like what won the game here was the interaction scrutiny. When players were real-timing and going from feels and gut, it seemed like it was a little easier to fool people, but when Cross and dono started really looking at how scum interacted (or didn't), it was harder to hide.
Speaking of which, I'm sure people are curious about the NK choices. The modkills N1--while understandable--were a pretty solid kick in the teeth. Not only did we lose our most active player, but the town player that "evened things out" certainly wouldn't have been a high pick for NKs, so we were pretty demoralized from the get-go. And then Marl mangled our second most active player instead of taking out Dias.
So Logic and I sorta shrugged and decided to see how far we could get by just shooting into the PoE. We knew it would probably end poorly for us, but I don't really think we would have gotten much further going the other way. I think if I had actually put in the legwork and done the Logic interaction analysis that I wanted to do (before Dono did it, with some slant to make myself look better), I probably could have guaranteed Shin's lynch and *maybe* one more to make it to f3, but probably not.
That said, the town confusion was WAAAAAAAAAAY worth the gambit. I lol'd. A lot. I hope if nothing else, it helped make this game memorable. :)
Crossbell said: Interested to see rationale for NK decisions and the decision to bus logic Yesterday over switching to me
I seriously didn't think anyone would actually buy me turning on you, and I had pocketed you so handily (before you wised up and actually looked at the interactions), it just felt like a waste of effort. ;)
Yeah, the two posts from Logic where he townread one buddy and scumread the other one was real clutch in order to solve the game
Then dono came in with the GOAT interaction analysis on Day 5 to seal things up
Honestly everything went wrong for you guys and you guys still put in a solid performance IMO. The modkills were absolutely brutal for you guys, and everyone in the PoE claimed a power role. Marluxion shot roz which was huge. Plus, the fact that Mood basically cleared a bunch of townies after their death (and barely interacted with you guys) was not great at all for you guys
Shooting into the PoE was certainly a decision that made me quite paranoid but I think staying focused and logical really helped things out, rather than succumb to the wine
And yeah, if you posted more, it was going to be really hard to catch you, Cantrip. As I mentioned in the game, your scum play was really slick. The fact that I couldn't figure you out at all from your posts/mindset, and had to solely resort to how other scum interacted with you/PoE, signifies of how well you played this game
Oh, and Nibio, that D1 frustration felt real because it WAS real. I still don't understand how you go from "I 95% KNOW without a doubt that Dias is scum, never backing down, no brakes" to "oh, I think I'll vote this other slot for no reason other than that this other guy said so"... *shrug* I would have been on you for that no matter my alignment.
Still, <3 right back atcha.
Cross, thanks for that. I felt like I did pretty good for not having read 2/3's of the game. XD
Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwroughtwithgolden andsilver light, The blue and thedim andthe dark cloths Of night andlight andthe half light,
I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
Erik, Phantom of the Opera - Town Vanilla - phxntomhiveghoul Shinichi-Kun
Raoul, Viscount de Chagny - Town 1S Vigilante - Geyde Marluxion
Faust - Town Vanilla - Karote
The Persian - Town Vanilla - Nibio
Christine Daae - Town Vanilla - poison_chan Crossbell
Joseph Buquet - Town Vanilla - Floofs Gwen
Meg Giry - Town Bodyguard - AlbertinoDias
Monsieur Debienne - Town 2S Vanilla Cop - Pyromaani EyehAsherEyeh
Comte Philippe de Chagny - Town Neutral Vanilla - yurkin
Mephistopheles - Town Vanilla - Jackrito
The Auctioneer - Town NCN Tracker - aa-dono
Monsieur Gilles André - Town Vanilla - Tainted
Carlotta Giudicelli FC Professor Valerius - Jailkeeper Goon - MoodBooster
The Ratcatcher FC Simon Buquet - Role Cop - logic340
Monsieur Firmin Richard FC Monsieur Poligny - Goon Jailkeeper - Cantripmancer
Armand Moncharmin FC Madame Giry - Goon - roz1roz
It's here... The Phantom of the Opera.
You are Erik, the Phantom of the Opera.
"The world showed no compassion to me!"
You are a TOWN Vanilla. You have no abilities other than your voice and your vote.
You win when all scum have been eliminated.
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It's here... The Phantom of the Opera.
You are Raoul, Viscount de Chagny.
"Love me—that's all I ask of you"
You are a TOWN 1-shot Vigilante. Once per game, as a Night action, you may target a player to attempt to kill that player.
You win when all scum have been eliminated.
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It's here... The Phantom of the Opera.
You are Faust.
"Damned be happiness!
Damned, science, prayer and faith!
May you be damned, patience!
Come to me, Satan! Come to me!"
You are a TOWN Vanilla. You have no abilities other than your voice and your vote.
You win when all scum have been eliminated.
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It's here... The Phantom of the Opera.
You are The Persian.
"I want a nice, quiet apartment like everyone else, with ordinary doors and windows, and a proper wife."
You are a TOWN Vanilla. You have no abilities other than your voice and your vote.
You win when all scum have been eliminated.
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It's here... The Phantom of the Opera.
You are Christine Daae.
"Father once spoke of an angel
I used to dream he'd appear
Now as I sing I can sense him
And I know he's here"
You are a TOWN Vanilla. You have no abilities other than your voice and your vote.
You win when all scum have been eliminated.
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It's here... The Phantom of the Opera.
You are Joseph Buquet.
"Those who speak of what they know
find, too late, that prudent silence is wise.
Joseph Buquet, hold your tongue
he will burn you with the heat of his eyes..."
You are a TOWN Vanilla. You have no abilities other than your voice and your vote.
You win when all scum have been eliminated.
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It's here... The Phantom of the Opera.
You are Meg Giry.
"Christine, you must have been dreaming.
Stories like this can't come true.
Christine, you're talking in riddles.
And it's not like you."
You are a TOWN Bodyguard. Each Night, as a Night action, you may target a player to attempt to protect that player. If that player would have died, you die.
You win when all scum have been eliminated.
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It's here... The Phantom of the Opera.
You are Monsieur Debienne.
"We have no right to occupy Box Five on the grand tier, which is the exclusive property of HIM of whom we spoke to you when we went through the memorandum-book with you for the last time."
You are a TOWN 2-shot Vanilla Cop. Twice per game, as a Night action, you may target a player to attempt to learn if that player is Vanilla or not.
You win when all scum have been eliminated.
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It's here... The Phantom of the Opera.
You are Comte Philippe de Chagny.
"It's not the same kind of love I have for you. It's not the same at all."
You are a TOWN Vanilla. You have no abilities other than your voice and your vote.
You win when all scum have been eliminated.
Confirm this message by replying to the PM/DM.
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It's here... The Phantom of the Opera.
You are Mephistopheles.
"There! Let's go! Sign!
Ah what? Your hand trembles!
What is needed for you to decide?
Youth calls you; dare to look at it!"
You are a TOWN Vanilla. You have no abilities other than your voice and your vote.
You win when all scum have been eliminated.
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It's here... The Phantom of the Opera.
You are The Auctioneer.
"Perhaps we can frighten the ghosts of so many years ago... with a little illumination. Gentlemen!"
You are a TOWN Tracker. Each Night, as a Night action, you may target a player to attempt to learn who that player targeted that night, if anyone.
You win when all scum have been eliminated.
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It's here... The Phantom of the Opera.
You are Monsieur Gilles André.
"Signora, these things do happen."
You are a TOWN Vanilla. You have no abilities other than your voice and your vote.
You win when all scum have been eliminated.
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It's here... The Phantom of the Opera.
You are Carlotta Giudicelli.
"'These things do happen.' Until you stop these things from happening, this thing does not happen!"
You are a SCUM Jailkeeper. Each Night, as a Night action, you may target a player to attempt to prevent their actions from succeeding and to protect them from kills.
You win when all town have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from happening.
Scumchat and Factional Kill submission can be found here.
You have a flavor false claim of Professor Valerius.
"Little Lotte thought of everything and nothing. Her hair was golden as the sun’s rays and her soul as clear and blue as her eyes. She wheedled her mother, was kind to her doll, took great care of her frock and her little red shoes and her fiddle, but most of all loved, when she went to sleep, to hear the Angel of Music."
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It's here... The Phantom of the Opera.
You are The Ratcatcher.
"I lead the rats away, round them, without me, you will have them crawling all over you!"
You are a SCUM Role Cop. Each Night, as a Night action, you may target a player to attempt to prevent their actions from succeeding and to protect them from kills.
You win when all town have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from happening.
Scumchat and Factional Kill submission can be found here.
You have a flavor false claim of Simon Buquet.
"His nose. There is no nose."
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It's here... The Phantom of the Opera.
You are Monsieur Firmin Richard.
"What a way to run a business. Spare me these unending trials. Half your cast disappears but the crowd still cheers. Opera, to hell with Gluck and Handel; have a scandal and you're sure to have a hit."
You are a SCUM Goon. You have no abilities other than your vote, your voice, and the scum factional chat and kill.
You win when all town have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from happening.
Scumchat and Factional Kill submission can be found here.
You have a flavor false claim of Monsieur Poligny.
"Certainly, two hundred and forty thousand francs are not be picked up for the asking."
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It's here... The Phantom of the Opera.
You are Monsieur Armand Moncharmin.
"When I think of this first evening, I can not separate the secret confided to us by MM. Debienne and Poligny in their office from the presence at our supper of that GHOSTLY person whom none of us knew."
You are a SCUM Goon. You have no abilities other than your vote, your voice, and the scum factional chat and kill.
You win when all town have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from happening.
Scumchat and Factional Kill submission can be found here.
You have a flavor false claim of Madame Giry.
"Keep your hand at the level of your eye."
Confirm this message by replying to the PM/DM.
Thanks for playing!
Notes to follow.
Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwroughtwithgolden andsilver light, The blue and thedim andthe dark cloths Of night andlight andthe half light,
I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
What a game.....
Shout out to @Osieorb18 for host another fun game!! I always seem to have phone issues when I role scum in your games(I blame you) but I made it through this time. @Togs and @D_V thanks for your efforts with the VCs.
It was not my intention to miss that much of day 1. I was actually about to turn on mood when nibio decided to town read him. Those reads on mood were quite confusing. I entered D2 dejected and by the start of D3 when Roz died I decided to just try and make things fun. @cantripmancer@moodbooster@roz1roz it was a joy playing with you guys. I have learned a lot watching how the three of you approach being mafia.
@ town gg your core was strong. Maybe killing cross and nibio would have been better for us but leaving them alive sure made things interesting. @crossbell your case on me was near perfect....good job man you’re a scary town as always. You really helped us with that d2 massclaim tho @nibio you’re wisp....fuck you’re wisp....I couldn’t unsee it. @NewG your train was all town. I was sad to see that. @aa-Dono I thought I had you pocketed you did good in re-evaluating me.
I think I used my role to the best of my ability
My night actions:
N0-checked dono no tracker
N2-checked eyes 2s vanilla cop
N3-checked marl 1s vig
NewG said: This game taught me that you don't have to do anything as town and still be townread. Noted.
no, if that's what you got from this game, then idk what to tell you
Idk I haven't really read the game much after D2. But just D2 alone was really bad cause scum did nothing on that day lol. I'm also sick of inactives and non-committal players in general, it happens too often and I will never ever put this much energy into a mafia game ever again. If you guys don't care then why should I?
Edit: Shinichi, Karote and Tainted were town, so yes that is totally what I got from this game
This game was a couple years in the making. I was originally planning to run this on MTGS. One inspiration was Ecophagy's Low Fantasy.
Any game in which modkills have to occur is frustrating as a host. I had to switch the roles between Cantrip and Mood to keep the game sanctity intact, and I think it still wasn't ideal, pushing the game into Town's favour not insignificantly, unfortunately.
The flavour came through some despite myself being busy. I wanted to amp it up with the votecounts, but that wasn't realistic once I couldn't post most of them.
Many thanks to @Togs and @DV for their assistance and to the players for playing the game.
Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwroughtwithgolden andsilver light, The blue and thedim andthe dark cloths Of night andlight andthe half light,
I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwroughtwithgolden andsilver light, The blue and thedim andthe dark cloths Of night andlight andthe half light,
I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.