What you think ?
Spleefy said: ejleon said: Funny how you have two isekai in your own favorites. All Anime is just two unrealistic, illogical, and over the top to ever be “insert” material, never underfoot that. I might be giving into the bait, but I hate the argument that anime is "too" unrealistic. If you want something realistic, watch live-action shows, or go outside and touch some grass. Anime is meant to go beyond realism. I don’t write “bait” you false accuser that doesn’t pay attention. Why don’t you follow the conversation?! Because then you would not make yourself look so oblivious to what is actually happening. I wasn’t criticizing anime in any way, you silly goose, I love anime. It is a great stress relief from people and work, to enjoy and have fun. I know it is meant to be over the top, unrealistic, and otherworldly, that’s why I like it. I was criticizing the idea that people can “insert” themselves into an anime story. This is literally illogical and absurd, unless you are insane. Anime is there to enjoy, in so many ways it is entertaining and fun, so stop preaching to the choir. |
ejleonDec 30, 2024 2:27 PM
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.  |
Bourriche said: @ejleon trust me all Isekais are self insert bullshit especially the ones with Harems like mouchuku tensei re Zero ect ๐คก Why couldn’t you just write one reply instead of sending too? ๐คฆ๐ปโ๏ธ sigh… If you think Isekai is BS, then you haven’t been paying attention to the best anime in recent years, because some of the most popular and profitable anime in recent years have been Isekai. And if you believe isekai is “insert BS”, then you must not have a good grasp on reality, isekai is not in any sense realistic enough to insert one’s self. Isekai is just a fun funny fiction fantasy that we enjoy for 24 minutes out of our day, just to relieve some stress from people and work. |
ejleonDec 30, 2024 2:28 PM
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
| yeah yeah yeah. Suddenly doing exposition about the plot of the show when the only people in the room are fully aware of it, like an old man repeating shit to himself, not to say anything about the constant, inexplicable switch between inner monologue and thinking out loud, the obvious plot armor and lack of suspense thereof, the steven seagal type of "the nurses get wet over my hot shit" mc power trip... These are all marks of a "well written show". Shit it's okay to hate on when they do it in SAO, but not on "tche besht manhwa ever gouys ๐ค". |
| You guys really hate Solo Leveling that much? Seriously though, I like Solo Leveling and the but it isn't Isekai. |
PitsilizaterDec 30, 2024 3:01 PM
| 1- Solo Leveing has a trash story either way, good animation, fights and soundtrack are the only positives traits trom this anime 2- Solo Leveling isn't considered an isekai at all |
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ApfelMyName said: ejleon said: I don’t write “bait” you false accuser that doesn’t pay attention. Why don’t you follow the conversation?! Because then you would not make yourself look so oblivious to what is actually happening. I wasn’t criticizing anime in any way, you silly goose, I love anime. It is a great stress relief from people and work, to enjoy and have fun. I know it is meant to be over the top, unrealistic, and otherworldly, that’s why I like it. I was criticizing the idea that people can “insert” themselves into an anime story. This is literally illogical and absurd, unless you are insane. Anime is there to enjoy, in so many ways it is entertaining and fun, so stop preaching to the choir. I think inserting oneself in an Anime isn't that bad. Okay you shouldn't think of yourself as a harem Mc, but i'm sure if you try to think, how the Characters think and you try to make up own plans/solutions, it can help and support grwoth in ones character. I can agree that you shouldn't try to think as Rudeus (from Jobless Reincarnation), it could make you some kind of Loli, but trying to understand Characters isn't bad is it? And inserting your self in a character is maybe the easiest way to understand them. Watching fictional characters on screen in fictional stories and understanding their joy or plight (etc), in their fictional worlds is not bad, but that is not what “inserting” one’s self means. I live in reality, not fiction. I don’t claim to know what a fictional character in a fictional story, book, play, show, movie, anime, game, etc etc, is feeling or thinking, I’m not them and I’m not in their world. ( Even if I can usually guess what is going to happen in most of these stories, because many of them are so predictable ) I’m just not them in any way, I’m me in reality, so claiming I can insert myself into their shoes is just crazy and insane. Sure, there are similarities in interactions / events to real human history or modern everyday life sometimes, depending on the anime, that we could understand, since anime, to an extent, is based on reality, but this is very limited, since most anime are based on imagination. However … To claim that I can insert myself into a magical world, with magic powers, in a magic academy, with beast people, magical elves / fairies (etc), and to be a character leveling up or learning new spells … I would literally have to be insane and delusional, or in a coma just dreaming. To be fair, I’ll talk about more realistic anime … For example, Japanese people speaking the Japanese language in Japanese schools with Japanese people interacting with each other … I am an American at the age 38 who only speaks American English and I went to a Private School, so I have no clue what it is like in reality to be a Japanese kid in a Japanese school. Or let’s talk about romance anime, I have never had a romance, so this is far beyond me, plus no one has ever confessed their feeling to me, so this is also nonsense. Or let’s talk about a sports anime, I did play sports as a kid with friends, but nothing like most anime show, plus I was kinda weak as a kid, so I don’t have clue what it is like to be athletic. Or cooking anime, some of my favorite since I like food, but I’d probably kill someone with my cooking. Or work anime, my job is nothing like any Japanese job, so this is so far beyond me and I don’t understand their “work till you literally die” attitude. Or a model / idol / star anime, male or female, that is so far beyond me that it is hilarious. Or musical anime, although I’m a musician, even these are filled with unrealistic portrayals of musician characters. Or samurai / ninja anime, do I really need to explain this one? Or anime with games that we can enter into like another world, they do not exist. Or cosplay anime, yeah … I don’t cosplay. Or anime about making anime or manga, I do neither of these. Or space anime, I’m not an astronaut and I have never been to space. Or anime with aliens, the Scientific Law of Biogenesis proves that aliens cannot exist. Or time travel anime, time travel is literally impossible due to the Scientific Law of Conservation of Mass and Energy. Or isekai, traveling to another universe, which is also scientifically impossible, the “muti-verse” is complete fictional. Or anime with vampires, werewolves, mummies, zombies, etc etc, yeah they don’t exist. Etc etc etc … So please enlighten me, it is my honest question, what anime is “realistic” enough that I could really insert myself into their shoes? |
ejleonDec 30, 2024 5:15 PM
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
Spleefy said: ejleon said: I don’t write “bait” you false accuser that doesn’t pay attention. Why don’t you follow the conversation?! Because then you would not make yourself look so oblivious to what is actually happening. I wasn’t criticizing anime in any way, you silly goose, I love anime. It is a great stress relief from people and work, to enjoy and have fun. I know it is meant to be over the top, unrealistic, and otherworldly, that’s why I like it. I was criticizing the idea that people can “insert” themselves into an anime story. This is literally illogical and absurd, unless you are insane. Anime is there to enjoy, in so many ways it is entertaining and fun, so stop preaching to the choir. My bad, I misread what you were trying to say. I disagree that you can't self-insert yourself into anime, though. Many isekai are about losers who get reincarnated into another world and become OP. Though people can't relate to becoming OP, they can relate to being a loser and put themselves and imagine that they are that character. That's what self-inserting is. I have been called a “loser” before by real humans, so I can relate to one thing, even if I know I’m not a loser. Empathizing with a fictional character is one thing, however, pretending I am anything else but my real-life self is just childish. Just enjoy these anime as a fictional story to waste time on and to take your mind off of reality for a little while. No more than that. |
ejleonDec 30, 2024 5:10 PM
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
| its not hard to be a better isekai than re zero |
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| Like everyone already told you, Solo Leveling is not an isekai, BUT there is something that it shares with a lot of the "Middle of the road" isekais and that is being a power fantasy. It does that aspect better than 80% of the Isekai genre but there is still a fair amount of shows that do it better. Even in it's own medium and in the style of manwha that it inspired there are some that have surpassed it over the years. |
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Reply to Spleefy
ejleon said:
I have been called a “loser” before by real humans, so I can relate to one thing, even if I know I’m not a loser.
Empathizing with a fictional character is one thing, however, pretending I am anything else but my real-life self is just childish.
Just enjoy these anime as a fictional story to waste time on and to take your mind off of reality for a little while.
No more than that.
Spleefy said:
My bad, I misread what you were trying to say. I disagree that you can't self-insert yourself into anime, though. Many isekai are about losers who get reincarnated into another world and become OP. Though people can't relate to becoming OP, they can relate to being a loser and put themselves and imagine that they are that character. That's what self-inserting is.
My bad, I misread what you were trying to say. I disagree that you can't self-insert yourself into anime, though. Many isekai are about losers who get reincarnated into another world and become OP. Though people can't relate to becoming OP, they can relate to being a loser and put themselves and imagine that they are that character. That's what self-inserting is.
I have been called a “loser” before by real humans, so I can relate to one thing, even if I know I’m not a loser.
Empathizing with a fictional character is one thing, however, pretending I am anything else but my real-life self is just childish.
Just enjoy these anime as a fictional story to waste time on and to take your mind off of reality for a little while.
No more than that.
I'm not saying that you specifically are a loser, but there are people who put themselves into anime like this.
| @Spleefy Don't worry, I wasn't saying you were calling me a loser, sorry about that misunderstanding. What I am saying is that this makes no logical sense, you are not them, you are you and I am me, we are not the fictional characters. For example, when someone says "place yourselves in their shoes", let's say they mean to put myself in your shoes, it means to think about your experience, so I can understand your feelings and thoughts, but it is not me inserting myself into your life, it is me empathizing and thinking logically about what you are experiencing yourself, so I can understand how you are feeling and thinking. A fictional character has a family member die, I can relate, since I know what that feels like, because some close people died in my life. But let's say, this never happened in my life, so it is not relatable, how do I "insert" myself into that fictional character's situation? This would be an external experience that I would need to learn from others' experiences, so even though I can't relate, I can still learn to empathize with someone's sadness. Most anime characters are dealing with situations that we have never experienced ourselves, it is not logical to "insert" ourselves into their fictional lives, but better to learn externally from what happens in their story. |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
Bourriche said: @glasssmoon nah it's better than mouchuku tensei Frieren and others garbage cheap Isekais. Solo leveling is fun to watch and extremely entertaining unlike a cheap Isekai about a loser getting 3 Lolis wife LMFAO (Rudy๐คก) Frieren is not isekai what r u on |
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Reply to glasssmoon
Well written no
One of worst shit I had to endure reading.
| @glasssmoon Well written, yes. One of the series I enjoyed the most as I was reading and watching. |
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Cielord said:
@glasssmoon Well written, yes.
One of the series I enjoyed the most as I was reading and watching.
@glasssmoon Well written, yes.
One of the series I enjoyed the most as I was reading and watching.
The whole thing reads like it was written by an edgy 15 years old. It's carried by manhwa's art, the novel is fucking unreadable.
| @glasssmoon Define edgy, and I enjoyed a lot more about it than the art. |
Spleefy said: @ejleon I agree that it's not logical, but I don't think that self-inserting has to be into a situation that's extremely relatable. I think self-inserting happens when you can imagine yourself in the same situation, even if you haven't been in that situation before. For example, in a lot of anime romcoms, the MCs tend to be very average but end up in a relationship with the most popular/beautiful girl. That's not realistic at all for most people, but people can still imagine themselves to be that MC because that MC is very relatable (not the situation). It's more of a fantasy than anything. These people can also think that because this MC is relatable, the same situation could happen to them, even though it probably won't. But wouldn’t someone need to deny reality and be delusional, to “insert” themselves into a fictional unrealistic character and world? I mean, I love anime and watch it (probably too much), it is a lot of fun and I feel like a kid again, but I have never “inserted” myself into any story. I have only related to specific situations the MCs went through, that had some realistic aspect. It makes no logical sense to me to pretend I’m not me, but some character, so why would I or anyone, not want to remain themselves, no matter what my real life situation is? I guess, it could be how I have become in life over the years, through bad or good times, I really didn’t care anymore about what people said or did to me, I just wanted to remain myself, without anyone telling me to change or be different. My stubbornness to remain true to myself, could be the problem here. What do you think? |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
| First of all Solo Leveling isn't isekai. As for well-written...overall not really. It was getting more interesting and interesting until chimera ant Jeju Arc, then it becomes worse and worse until the end...  Too bad |
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| Being the most well written Isekai of modern times isn't a very high bar to reach. |
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