Is Babylon really that bad ?

Jul 28, 2020 3:35 AM

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Fl0ri4n said:

wape said:

Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Quite possibly the most overrated piece of fiction ever.

Can't be more overrated than Monogatari or Konosuba

As much it sounds improbable, it's the truth. Nothing can beat LoGH. It ain't happening.

TheAdo said:

Fl0ri4n said:

Can't be more overrated than Monogatari or Konosuba

how Konosuba is overrated with an 8.16 score and in top 300 anime in MAL ?

A high score doesn't equal being overrated. One can have a roughly five and still be considered one. Neither does the popularity.

Jul 28, 2020 9:54 AM

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wape said:

Fl0ri4n said:

Can't be more overrated than Monogatari or Konosuba

As much it sounds improbable, it's the truth. Nothing can beat LoGH. It ain't happening.

TheAdo said:

how Konosuba is overrated with an 8.16 score and in top 300 anime in MAL ?

A high score doesn't equal being overrated. One can have a roughly five and still be considered one. Neither does the popularity.

Exactly, a 7.00 Rating can be as overrated as an 9.00 rating. Also literally everyone talks about Konosuba even tho its unfunny garbage

Jul 28, 2020 10:19 AM

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Fl0ri4n said:

wape said:

As much it sounds improbable, it's the truth. Nothing can beat LoGH. It ain't happening.

A high score doesn't equal being overrated. One can have a roughly five and still be considered one. Neither does the popularity.

Exactly, a 7.00 Rating can be as overrated as an 9.00 rating. Also literally everyone talks about Konosuba even tho its unfunny garbage

u guys are mixing things ..if u hate a show ,it means that the show is bad not overrated ..overrated means that the show is getting more of what it deserved like for example demon slayer .

Jul 28, 2020 1:00 PM

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TheAdo said:

Fl0ri4n said:

Exactly, a 7.00 Rating can be as overrated as an 9.00 rating. Also literally everyone talks about Konosuba even tho its unfunny garbage

u guys are mixing things ..if u hate a show ,it means that the show is bad not overrated ..overrated means that the show is getting more of what it deserved like for example demon slayer .

That is exactly what we are saying lol Also Demon Slayer is not overrated

Jul 28, 2020 2:31 PM

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Fl0ri4n said:

TheAdo said:

u guys are mixing things ..if u hate a show ,it means that the show is bad not overrated ..overrated means that the show is getting more of what it deserved like for example demon slayer .

That is exactly what we are saying lol Also Demon Slayer is not overrated

see , you proved my point Demon slayer is not overrated cause obviously u liked it .

Aug 19, 2020 3:57 AM

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It would be rated a little bit better if it wasn't because of the delicate blind viewers. Most of people didn't seem to catch the actual message of the story and think Babylon is some kind of pro-suicide propaganda made unintentionally or intentionally. I'm not trying to deny it has plot holes tho.
Babylon tries to explain why suicide is bad, not with the subjectiveness and phylosophical relativity of morals, but with logic and natural laws. Of course, it fails on developing that message since it's challenging (incorrect and impossible to find I would say) to find an absolute answer to "why suicide is bad" since it depends on the situation and the logic applied will always be contradictory,

Sep 12, 2020 11:44 PM

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Ryuseishun said:
When they introduced that Mary Sue main female antagonist, that's when the show truly started to become a convoluted yet immature dumpster fire trying to sound smart all the way.

All the good atmosphere and tones it had were tossed aside in favor of ridiculous and nonsensical banter about ideals, morales, and humanity. Nothing was truly solved, nearly everything just ended off so vaguely.

it deserved 2/10 at best.

DarkdaxterSep 13, 2020 12:30 AM

Sep 13, 2020 12:27 AM

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I rate this show a 9/10. I agree that the first arc is much more intriguing, but the second is by no means bad. It just changes from a crime thriller to a political drama. I knock it a point because a lot of the argumentation is surface-level and lazy. They spend entirely too much time on the concept of objective morality and religion. Beyond that it honestly feels like a discussion you might see people have in real life, and I like their conclusion. People who hated that bit probably hated Evangelion too. This was a lesser version of that.

People really hate on the villain, but Ai was awesome.

People really hate the ending, and I understand why. Honestly I don't see it ending differently though.

But yeah. I loved this show. Give it a chance and actually engage with the concept. I'll be the first to admit it didn't go deep enough, but it's still a decent introductory discussion. It's better than most you'll get from religious apologists at any rate.

DarkdaxterSep 13, 2020 12:31 AM

Sep 13, 2020 7:55 AM

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Darkdaxter said:

Ryuseishun said:
When they introduced that Mary Sue main female antagonist, that's when the show truly started to become a convoluted yet immature dumpster fire trying to sound smart all the way.

All the good atmosphere and tones it had were tossed aside in favor of ridiculous and nonsensical banter about ideals, morales, and humanity. Nothing was truly solved, nearly everything just ended off so vaguely.

it deserved 2/10 at best.

So what? There’s no indication that it was truly supernatural. At the most extreme it would be some instances of sci fi but more so on advanced technology (which apparently this show didn’t have, anyways). Without any real basis to really establish upon regarding this bitch’s “hax”, it’s hollow and adulterating to the overall premises. If the culprit was something like a whole ass secret organization or undercover project by the govt, then things would make more sense instead of just nonsensical victimizing and grating political farces here and there. Tbf, it wasn’t the only thing that dragged down the series, if anything else.

Sep 29, 2020 10:40 AM

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Yes, it is really that bad.

Sep 29, 2020 10:31 PM

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I though it was an amazing discution about tabus over all! over animation, cinematoghrafy an everything to be considerate in an anime!
I think it was very good. The final it was surprising because it was not clear if zen kill himself or just can't kill Magase. Beacause he himlself broke a tabu about what is good and bad though acts.
He killed the president, he did the "bad" so is he bad?
Is he bad because he did something considerate bad though the conclusion that he and the president taken
I think that could be more explored, the theme "suicide" and the anime could not do this but at all even somethings lefting behind, i really enjoyed the discution
Beacause of this, my avaliation it was an 8.
So, yes i discord from the most of you.
I think more in the content at this anime more than whatever you can considere in an animation, like i said before
So why is te bad?
I really discord
I loved and enjoyed every part and the
in the approach that reached the end, ceasing to be something totally political
you get into a philosophical discussion that makes you wonder if suicide is a bad thing. It all started with a law decree. However, there was Magase Ai. It made me reflect even more deeply on the subject with the discovery and entry of this character on the scene. I think she, as the anime came to a conclusion, didn’t do anything good because she kind of randomly urged anyone to commit suicide
However, there were many people who could not stand the pressure of what they were experiencing and she triggered the trigger in these people. And it is very interesting to think that even though she did a bad act, at the same time she did bad acts that were good. Think, if you were really bad and you didn't have the courage and couldn't stand that suffocating feeling anymore and the desire to die is overwhelming and the weight you have to stay alive is an act of kindness, focused on religion that is the support to face the 97% world I venture to say, of the entire world population.
The abstract ending I thought it matched the anime and it wouldn't be nice to have a happy ending or an ending that you didn't have to interpret. Because the whole anime made you inquire, break taboos, interpret and recover your traditional concepts. An explicit ending I would find an error in direction and plot. I justify here why this anime is so good without reporting the opinion that anime brought me to, but I say one thing, it totally changed my traditional concepts. The anime is worth watching.

Oct 7, 2020 1:49 AM

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I really like the Idea of debate i.e. if sucide was good or bad but then as the story progresses the anime turned from good to worst, and the conclusion that the MC and the president came to wasn't that satisfying
In the end I'll give it a 7/10

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