-ShadowClaw- said: I see, Well the reason i asked is cause i hate when an adaptation would end on a rather melancholy tone, thankfully this season does not appear it will end there. But if another season were to happen than that season would end on a rather sad end. I want another season to continue but at the same i am warry, especially since these type of series never get fully adapted. so if another were to happen i think at least another 2 cour would be needed. I also doubt that they will adapt the whole series, so ending it at a point where viewers may be interested in picking up again in the Light Novels may be smarter. |
| I can't believe people are dropping this because of this pairing, it's more fucked if Myne ends up with an actual child, rather than two adults ending up together. Myne is never really a child because she is an adult mentally, she cannot be groomed, etc. She is basically just temporarily small. But Lutz is a child. |
Violett_chan said: Zefyris said: Meh, I have read 20 +1 volumes and we still have no official couple for Myne and Lutz yet since they 're still too young. But I'll tell you what, this story is all about developing characters and their relationship slowly but surely, so there's is NO WAY (no, there's none, you just can't, give up) that you can understand properly the kind of relationship characters will have by the end of the story when you're like 3 or 4 volumes in. it's impossible. So reading spoilers about who ends up with who is never EVER going to feel satisfying for you in this situation, I don't know why anyone here thought that they could somehow skip 27 volumes worth of character development and just guess properly who both of them would end up with. From my PoV by vol 20, the closest and most fitting coupling for Myne is with and the most fitting for Lutz is and this by a LONG shot, and if those two couples end up being the ending couples in the LN, then it would feel both LOGICAL and really SATISFYING ImO. So, take that info as you like. Also just ask yourself how many childhood friend or childhood crush around you that happened when they were 5 yo were still a thing when those peoples reached the age to marry. Also, any info available right now about final couples are info coming from the WN, not the LNs. Most of them are also coming from not even second hand but like tenth hands or something with one guy that read it with google translate informing someone who inform someone etc and everything gets deformed at each step. So meh. where do u read the light novel? watashi hoshi T.T here i read https://ncode.syosetu.com/n4830bu/676/ but the google translate is very teribble T.T I read them directly in Japanese (ordering them through amazon or honto for example) that's why I'm that far in compared to others (currently at 23 volume (part 5 vol 2) + 2 vol of side stories). For english readers the BEST place and by far is JNovel Club 's website. They release one new volume every 2 months or so, so this is very fast paced translation, AND professional translation.If you don't need physical release, then you can already finish the 2nd arc of the story and start the third one with where their current translation is (so more than 2 volumes after the end of the anime). I would also recommand to read it from volume 1, but that's merely my rec for anyone who really enjoyed the story. |
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Violett_chan said: Zefyris said: I read them directly in Japanese (ordering them through amazon or honto for example) that's why I'm that far in compared to others (currently at 23 volume (part 5 vol 2) + 2 vol of side stories). For english readers the BEST place and by far is JNovel Club 's website. They release one new volume every 2 months or so, so this is very fast paced translation, AND professional translation.If you don't need physical release, then you can already finish the 2nd arc of the story and start the third one with where their current translation is (so more than 2 volumes after the end of the anime). I would also recommand to read it from volume 1, but that's merely my rec for anyone who really enjoyed the story. thank you for the guidance. There are several romances subplots throughout the story (not just with Myne, mostly NOT with myne in fact), it's just not the main focus. After all, just because she isn't interested in loving someone, doesn't mean that others aren't. Including loving her. And other than that , what the person above said |
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| Oh I am freaking pissed off about this....lol why did I go look for spoilers. You don't establish really good chemistry between characters and then fcking throw it away. YOU DON'T DO THAT. That's how you end up pissing readers off! |
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Yeah, I don't really care; that kind of teasing really makes me mad; and it was definitely teased. So....if you are an author and you do ALL of that with two characters yet later not only marry them off to other characters but SPLIT THEM UP before that, you are a Fucking cocktease. That is not in good taste. Why would you establish such a strong relationship only to destroy it later? It doesn't make sense. Oh, it can make sense if one DIED and that was a plot device used for character growth. But that doesn't happen here. Myne needed someone to help her? Just make them business partners then. Don't do all this shiptease ffs. |
ChiibiAug 27, 2020 5:05 PM
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Chiibi said: Oh I am freaking pissed off about this....lol why did I go look for spoilers. You don't establish really good chemistry between characters and then fcking throw it away. YOU DON'T DO THAT. That's how you end up pissing readers off! Imagine getting mad that 2 kids that were getting well along when they were 5 don't marry when they're adult. omg!! Also, the person Myne ends up with has way better chemistry than with Lutz: and her relationship with him is developed over 20-30 volumes before it happens, meanwhile her relationship with Lutz is mostly covered in the first 7 volumes, and the possibility of the two ending together is scrapped during one of those volumes as well so by the time she ends up with someone, it has been more than 25 volumes with the reader knowing that that someone CANNOT be Lutz. Readers aren't pissed off. Peoples reading spoilers are, maybe. But they don't count, because they're not actually buying the books. I count, since I've bought 23 volumes so far, and I agree with the choice. |
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AlexNG said: Chiibi said: So....if you are an author and you do ALL of that with two characters yet later not only marry them off to other characters but SPLIT THEM UP before that, you are a Fucking cocktease. Methinks you are a bit too obsessed thinking your ideas are the only right way. That is only because they ARE the right way. :) Zefyris said: Imagine getting mad that 2 kids that were getting well along when they were 5 don't marry when they're adult. omg!! 1. Childhood friend-turned lovers is the norm in anime; do not gimme that snarky sarcasm bullshit! And do not talk like I'm the only one; we-anime-only people EXPECTED them to be canon because of how they are portrayed so far; quite a few people agree and they are mad too. 2. Doing shiptease and making it false like I pointed out is pretty much the same as being lied to. Look, I don't appreciate being f*cked with when it comes to romance. That is all. If you novels readers are happy; GOOD FOR YOU. But some of the audience is mad and we are ALLOWED to be mad...so let us be mad. |
ChiibiAug 28, 2020 9:18 AM
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Chiibi said: That is only because they ARE the right way. :) Zefyris said: Imagine getting mad that 2 kids that were getting well along when they were 5 don't marry when they're adult. omg!! 1. Childhood friend-turned lovers is the norm in anime; do not gimme that snarky sarcasm bullshit! And do not talk like I'm the only one; we-anime-only people EXPECTED them to be canon because of how they are portrayed so far; quite a few people agree and they are mad too. 2. Doing shiptease and making it false like I pointed out is pretty much the same as being lied to. Look, I don't appreciate being f*cked with when it comes to romance. That is all. If you novels readers are happy; GOOD FOR YOU. But some of the audience is mad and we are ALLOWED to be mad...so let us be mad. No, no that's not the norm in anime to FOLLOW 5 yo children and see them marrying each other afterwards. When the story is about the childhood friend coming back when both are in high school+, yeah, but in that case the story doesn't follow those characters when they were younh. In fact, the only other case I can think of peoples shipping two small kids together when we followed as a kid and then seeing the result when they're adult, those two didn't end up together ( ). Also there's no "shiptease". Myne has ALWAYS considered Lutz as a brother and Lutz clearly says in the book that he views Myne as a younger sister (because of her size). |
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AlexNG said: And this is what is called entitled fandom that throws a tantrum unless every one of their preconceptions is pandered to. This isn't even a story about romance in the first place. "Entitled fandom" is when people harass creators on social platforms demanding that their ideals be met. Do not even go there. Being angry about deceiving writing choices is NOT the same as "Being entitled". @Zefyris Blushing, holding hands, and marriage talk among other characters IS goddamn shiptease; don't pretend it isn't. And the brother/sister line isn't IN the anime at all. |
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And? You're complaining about novel content so what's the problem about it not being in the anime? The content you're complaining about will NEVER be in anime either. |
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Zefyris said: And? You're complaining about novel content so what's the problem about it not being in the anime? Well, if it WAS established in the anime that they are pseudo siblings, I would feel way less betrayed? Isn't it obvious? The content you're complaining about will NEVER be in anime either. Yeah, I am grateful that since the work is 20+ volumes there is no way we will see Lutz get engaged to a consolation prize in the anime. *gagging noise* I'm willing to give Myne with Ferd a chance but Lutz Marrying TUULI....what kind of sick joke is that....I'd rather he be alone in that case. |
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AlexNG said: "I decided it must be this way after watching these whole 20% episodes, so don't you dare change it later!" Do you see me telling the AUTHOR that to her face? No. So shut the f*ck up, will you? It's like I'm not allowed to be frustrated about things on an anime forum the creator is never going to see? |
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AlexNG said: Chiibi said: Lutz Marrying TUULI....what kind of sick joke is that.... They have identical background as upstarts who moved from the most poor to the rich merchant class, and both are involved with Gilberta company and Myne specifically. Thus it is completely logical and practical. For the rich in this world 'political' marriages for the interest of the family are the default, not the other way around. That doesn't make it tasteful....rather, the opposite. |
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AlexNG said: It has a basis in real history, and Myne herself works on the assumption she would have no say in whom she'd have to marry eventually for most of the story. Also, one of the topics raised in this story is properly understanding the logic and customs of the world before doing anything, rather than acting based on preconceptions coming from 'modern' thinking. Plus, understand that because of their shared background Lutz and Tuuli understand each other more than any other person from either the poor or the rich class would. I am allowed to not like it, you know? Trying to explain it logically doesn't help at all; it is still appalling to me because they have no chemistry whatsoever. |
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Chiibi said: Well, if it WAS established in the anime that they are pseudo siblings, I would feel way less betrayed? Isn't it obvious? . No it's not. Either you read the novel or you don't, you can't just watch the anime and then complain that "you feel betrayed" because the novel used stuff that you didn't heard about in the anime. That doesn't make any sense. If you want to discuss about the novel content, read the novel. If you don't want, then don't complain about the novel's content. Or don't expect peoples to take you seriously. Also I've considered Lutz x Tullii as the best pairing for both side since like vol 10 and I haven't seen any conclusion on that yet where I am (vol 23) ; so when I was spoiled about it I was personally very satisfied about it. Hell yes, happy for both of them. Guess that's the difference between someone who judge without reading and someone who read before judging. |
ZefyrisAug 28, 2020 11:08 AM
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Zefyris said: No it's not. Either you read the novel or you don't, you can't just watch the anime and then complain that "you feel betrayed" because the novel used stuff that you didn't heard about in the anime. That doesn't make any sense. I've read some of the novel and it still feels like the LutzxMyne ship was teased....actually even more so because we can see from Myne's POV. |
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Chiibi said: Zefyris said: No it's not. Either you read the novel or you don't, you can't just watch the anime and then complain that "you feel betrayed" because the novel used stuff that you didn't heard about in the anime. That doesn't make any sense. I've read some of the novel and it still feels like the LutzxMyne ship was teased....actually even more so because we can see from Myne's POV. Then don't read spoilers because honestly, your reaction to them is terribad. Peoples who read the novels rather than reading spoilers are perfectly fine with the pairing, which shows that they were properly brought in. Meanwhile, you read the spoilers instead and throwing a tantrum over what we see as not only totally normal but as the best pairings overall. Also shipping seriously 5 years old kid is kind of not normal, just saying. |
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Deal with it, bruh. I am allowed to react that way. I am not hurting ANYONE. Peoples who read the novels rather than reading spoilers are perfectly fine with the pairing [/quote] Oh reeeeeeeeally? Did you take a survey? *rolls eyes* |
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I read a lot of reactions, that's also why I've read yours. So yeah, I'm pretty sure of myself, especially since my statement was also corroborated by other peoples who read reactions. And I'm one of the persons who read the novel as well, so I concur with their reactions. |
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.......... Did you NOT just say you shipped Tuuli and Lutz? Don't be a freaking hypocrite. Just saying. These children don't even ACT five, they act twelve. I've never seen a five-year-old make actually working devices by chopping wood. The series is pretty moved from reality; don't even start an argument as silly as this. "The children can act like teenagers, talk like teenagers and do the same chores as teenagers...but GASP ROMANCE!? Way too weird! Out of the question!" Lol, right. |
ChiibiAug 28, 2020 3:33 PM
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Chiibi said: .......... Did you NOT just say you shipped Tuuli and Lutz? Don't be a freaking hypocrite. Just saying. These children don't even ACT five, they act twelve. I've never seen a five-year-old make actually working devices by chopping wood. The series is pretty moved from reality; don't even start an argument as silly as this. "The children can act like teenagers, talk like teenagers and do the same chores as teenagers...but GASP ROMANCE!? Way too weird! Out of the question!" Lol, right. By the time I shipped them, they were between 10 and 12, so actual teenagers. Not 5. |
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Zefyris said: Chiibi said: .......... Did you NOT just say you shipped Tuuli and Lutz? Don't be a freaking hypocrite. Just saying. These children don't even ACT five, they act twelve. I've never seen a five-year-old make actually working devices by chopping wood. The series is pretty moved from reality; don't even start an argument as silly as this. "The children can act like teenagers, talk like teenagers and do the same chores as teenagers...but GASP ROMANCE!? Way too weird! Out of the question!" Lol, right. By the time I shipped them, they were between 10 and 12, so actual teenagers. Not 5. 10 and 12 are still kids. What is your point? :p |
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in this world they're adults at 15 and marry around that age. 12 is only 3 years away of adulthood and possible wedding. It's not especially out of the ordinary to see a romance between 12 years old still being a thing 3 years later. 5 even in their world is not even old enough to be considered and registered a citizen, that's grade schooler level. |
ZefyrisAug 29, 2020 11:33 AM
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Zefyris said: in this world they're adults at 15 and marry around that age. 12 is only 3 years away of adulthood and possible wedding. It's not especially out of the ordinary to see a romance between 12 years old still being a thing 3 years later. 5 even in their world is not even old enough to be considered and registered a citizen, that's grade schooler level. You're only proving my point further then. Romance is not "weird" if the characters mature REALLY fast. If they acted like BABIES in this world, I wouldn't even think about such things. But they don't. Take the confrontation scene with Lutz and Myne in episode 8 for example. Little kids don't talk that way. You can easily see that conversation happening between your average middle-schoolers in other anime. If they talk and act like teenagers at age 5, they must talk and act like 30-year-olds at age 15. In contrast, the two main characters from Ponyo both talked and acted like little kids...yet we were expected to ship them...I couldn't really get on board with that because they were SO childish in interacting...the way real little children are. |
ChiibiAug 29, 2020 12:48 PM
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