Nejimaki Seirei Senki: Tenkyou no Alderamin Episode 12 Discussion

Martin_Taylor said:


Well I let my defence here open, true, but I wasn't really focusing on that, it just small wits to talk it later. Its hard to interpret situation in anime way it is handing in, moreover when you see it through several weeks. Iam withdrawing here.

My main point actually was that Unsleeping doesnt seems to me like genius at all yet how everybody jizzing here, he did nothing to impress me yet, he only points are using of technological advance he has(and not very stunning way yet, in my opinion, but that subjective), because none of that fundamentalists he supporting is able to do that because religion.

Yes maybe he wanting to hide hes trumph cards for later, but it was 6th day of 7th for Imperials army to reatreat and take defensive positions in "impenetrable" fortresess they have. It can't do really difference now, can it?

Zefyris said:

you mean the 3-4 days? it's because the troops in front would take around 3 days to reach that fort by circling like that in the mountain, so obviously the kara karm wouldn't attack before their allies reach the fort. Then since the whole point of circling is to gain time compared to just wait for the fire to extinguish, obviously they're not going to wait before doing the assault, that would remove any purpose from doing that move. which basically restrain the window for the attack as "the day those troops arrived or the next day at best".

Goku said:
Using weird cannons cheating ass.

Phaetons_Folly said:

The anime takes away any sense of time and distance the story could very well have. The anime doesn't make it clear that it would take three days to reach the fort, and the way the anime presented it made me assume both sides made it there much sooner. The frustrating thing is that all these battles could easily play out in a plausible manner, but the anime refuses to do so. This anime doesn't make sense as shown, and rewritting it in my head doesn't substitute.

Yamada2 said:
So Jean is too smart for Ikta. He pretends to be on the back foot when he was in fact training for an attack through the firewall. And that puts Ikta in a pinch because he did not expect them to use a blimp to monitor the place much less create a whole obstacle course for training. And now the tables have seemingly turned.

Deleth said:

I don't get this burning Ikta hate. He knew about the Blimp for quite some time, they weren't expecting it because it's just as much against the Aldera religion as what caused this war in the first place. There's also zero he can do about the Blimp as they have neither the means to shoot it down nor blimps of their own.

The cannons where unexpected because they had zero information about them, they are approaching "diabolus ex machina" in terms of their plot importance and they are even more against the religious texts.

The problem here is that the writing is pretty damn inconsistent. Aldera is happily cooperating with Kioka against the Empire because they were breaking the religious commandments. Meanwhile the Kiokans and Alderans are breaking them just as bad or worse and on a widespread basis and that is completely okay.


Jean isn't a genius so far. Most of his plans failed. That is DESPITE him a force that used to outnumber Ikta more than twenty times and being allowed to bring far superior armament and recon to the battle.

It's as if I bind your arms onto your break, then gang up with 20 other guys on you beating you to a pulp. Also you are blindfolded and the referee will constantly count you on even as you stand because he's part of my team. Then we declare you a loser afterwards.

ixarising said:
War isn't supposed to be fair from the start, you're going to kill your enemy while risk getting killed at the same time, there's no referee in a war only winners and losers so there's no fair play involved in it, expecting fair play in war itself is meaningless and dumb. Jean simply made use of the advantage on his side, numbers and technology, that's all there is.

Besides, Jean's plan didn't actually fail.

1000+ soldiers isn't impossible yet there's only about 200-300 hundreds at most. So the troops at the fortress is just a bait.

Ikta had no time to prepare.

Also even if Jean isn't a genius like you said, Ikta isn't really one too. If Ikta was he would've prepared for the cannon attack the moment he saw the blimp and Yatori saying that the Aldera general is more flexible than expected.

Deleth said:

In your Jean fanboying you're answering something that has never even been said. Good job at that. This isn't about war being fair and the referee isn't some kind of non existant figure. It's about the Alderans. The Alderans attacked the empire because they broke the commandments. Yet they themselves do so and the Kioka Republic is allowed to break them with no repercursions whatsoever far more severely and constantly.

The issue here is with bad writing, that allows one side to get away with basically everything, draw diabolus ex machina out of their sleeves on a constant basis and having that the only reason why they even remotely succeed.


Yes he did. His plan to get the actual Imperial Commander and the Shinark to fight is the ONLY thing that worked out so far. Everything else either failed completely or partially.

- The Imperial army managed to not only retreat almost entirely, the Shinark or what's left of them also started working with them again after finding out they've been played. He had planned to force an engagement early on. By the time they cross the mountains and catch up with them the whole situation is wholly worse for them.

- He got stopped dead in his tracks by the forrest fire. Losing an incredible ammount of time to a vastly smaller army. This is another huge blunder on his part he didn't predict and that had no advantage for him.

- He fell for the opening Ikta and the Imperial Army left them. He expected it to happen aswell as them sealing it off after them but he also expected he could force his way through due to higher numbers.

The whole stake business and luring the Shinark into a trap. This failed entirely. Which forced him to send off troops the long way around, something he prior wanted to avoid.

- His plan to lure off parts of the Imperial Defenders isn't exactly a stroke of genius. It was what the Alderans themselves wanted to do to begin with and he wanted to avoid because of how long it would take. He then planned to use Kala Karm to destroy the defenders, this failed so badly Kala Karm was annihilated almost entirely.

Now he's back to brute forcing his way through, which is solely possible because the cannons nobody saw before or knew about showed out of nowhere. Without these cannons he would've lost. He failed every single last try he did so far despite superior numbers, technology and recon. It took a diabolus ex machina for him to finally be able to break through.

Jean, is not a tactical genius. So far he's pretty damn mediocre.


It's closer to 600. Given the number of cavalry used was around 300 and they rode double. This isn't accounting for Kala Karm which was wiped out. He wholly meant to break through, getting the Imperial Army into a pincher attack, this failed.

It's something he wanted to avoid to begin with.


Ikta had no time to prepare because nobody even knew that these cannons existed, much less were around, much less would be used as they're completely and utterly against the Alderan religion and commandments.

They learned about the cannons whom were conjured up as a plot device minutes before they went to work as they came out of nowhere. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DiabolusExMachina

It's like saying they should've prepared for a giant Mecha to come out of nowhere, when nobody saw any giant mechas prior and they had no real way to even do so in the first place.