The iDOLM@STER Cinderella Girls 2nd Season Episode 7 Discussion

IvoDark said:

Rin had already made her decision when she told the girls, so she FIRST decided, after testing the field, so to speak...

If your company goes under, you still have the second...If you don't find that self-serving, then I give up.

Anyway, it has nothing to do with being communistic,

Whatever that line means, she’s basically coercing Producer into not refusing ...Whatever that line means, it’s clear that Producer is, to say the least, not comfortable about it.,,

ramenshoujo said:
There is an assumption that Rin didn't consult producer because we didn't see it on screen, despite the fact that he told some others (whoever it was) that the girls were confused about the situation. I think it's logical that he told them to figure it out first and talk to him about it at some point.

ramenshoujo said:
At the end there were 2 announcements made
1) Anastasia going solo
2) Mio going solo
Rin's group wasn't even announced yet which meant that her decision wasn't final.

ramenshoujo said:
I don't blame Rin for testing the waters first with the new girls otherwise she would face resistance which means that she would not get to even try.

ramenshoujo said:
Again all that about the Cinderella Project crumbling over 2 girls not giving 100% of their time and effort is just an over-exaggeration of a supposedly calamitous situation.

ramenshoujo said:
The director said in a previous episode "only those I choose will be supported", so as long as the girls have some sort of talent, they will be retained within the company.

ramenshoujo said:
Communistic = prioritizing the group over the individual so it makes sense in this context.

ramenshoujo said:
It's essentially every girl for herself, Rin can't help it if the other girls suck balls.

ramenshoujo said:



There is an assumption that Rin didn't consult producer because we didn't see it on screen, despite the fact that he told some others (whoever it was) that the girls were confused about the situation. I think it's logical that he told them to figure it out first and talk to him about it at some point. At the end there were 2 announcements made
1) Anastasia going solo
2) Mio going solo

Rin's group wasn't even announced yet which meant that her decision wasn't final. She had the decency to discuss it within NG first before any official announcement, unlike Mio. I don't blame Rin for testing the waters first with the new girls otherwise she would face resistance which means that she would not get to even try.

Again all that about the Cinderella Project crumbling over 2 girls not giving 100% of their time and effort is just an over-exaggeration of a supposedly calamitous situation. Never said it would not be a self-serving decision, just not one that is unreasonable or excessive. The director said in a previous episode "only those I choose will be supported", so as long as the girls have some sort of talent, they will be retained within the company. It's essentially every girl for herself, Rin can't help it if the other girls suck balls. Communistic = prioritizing the group over the individual so it makes sense in this context.

What the "passing muster" line means (at least at face value) is that she wants Ana and Rin to take up the new acts. They have to do well in order for the Cinderella Project to even make it to winter to prove their worth. That's why Producer is concerned. Although she says she respects their independence this line is contradictory and confusing.

AzureSymphony said:
While I don't like Mio or the forced drama in this season, I feel that the blame is rather unfairly being dumped on her here.

There is no way Rin could be in both New Generations and Triad Primus at the same time, anyone with an ounce of common sense would realise that there is no possible way to line the schedules of all 6 girls up so that Rin could fulfil her duties in each group. Much less would she be able to cope perfecting multiple different choreography and songs for two different groups at the same time. While it might be fine for a bit while their popularity is low what would happen when each group has a full schedule and multiple job offers overlap? On top of that you've got to factor in how it's a high pressure, high activity line of work, her health would suffer greatly.

Assuming you were in Mio's shoes, how would you see it if one of your best friends decided to ditch your group and screw over your career to go off with new friends? Because that's essentially what Rin is doing. With the loss of a key member New Generations would break up, leaving Uzuki and Mio with nothing after all the work they'd poured into the group. "You can't do it with us?" pretty much sums everything up, Mio and Uzuki wanted to stick with Rin and were willing to work out how to help her find that "something new" with them, yet Rin's reaction basically made it seem like they were the problem.

Also worth taking into account that the girls are all essentially fighting against the direction Mishiro is trying to take the company in as well as keeping the Cinderella Project alive, yet Rin instead decides to happily play in her hands. It's pretty clear Mishiro will use Triad Primus and Anastasia to further try and crush Cinderella Project, she's not just going to let them carry on with whatever P wants to at the same time.

Quite honestly if I were put in exactly the same position, I'd probably react the same as Mio and choose to go solo. After your best friend has turned their back on you, your group is gone and all your work has been brought crumbling down at a moments notice, it's going to have seriously knocked your confidence in working with others.

Jjarod said:

I completely agree with you.

IvoDark said:



Or he easily might’ve been referring to what he perceived during the meeting with Mishiro. Point stands: in an episode that dealt with Anya and Rin arriving to their decisions, in Rin’s case it was NOT made a point that she felt the need to consult with producer. It was made a point in the case of Anya. This is what is usually done in storytelling: you make a point about what you think is relevant to the characters whose stories you’re telling.



Using the same rationale from the previous quote: the fact that we don’t see a sign inside her head that says “I’ve decided” doesn’t mean that she actually hasn’t. As for there being no official announcement, we’ve established already that she’s not been that much in contact with Producer.

Or it could simply have to do with the fact that, unlike Anya, she met with resistance.

Because even if we assumed she hasn’t decided: who would friggin’ want to stay in a group with someone that basically tells you that they feel better elsewhere? For your sake and for theirs, the moment you said that, the thing's as good as dead. Otherwise, that's a whole mess of unhappy waiting to blow up in your face.



You mean a resistance other than the one Mio actually put up?

So if someone that’s in a couple meets someone else, and they think they might feel something new with them, is it ok for them to cheat on their partners because they “would not get to even try” if they instead decide to first seat down with their partner and tell them what’s going on and what they’ve been feeling?



I’ve said: “In a time where the future of 14 girls is at stake, when all of them agree that the only thing they can do is “give it their all”, the two of them decide to inherently have at least half of “their all” be put to effective use elsewhere.”
And it stands. Whatever the effective, specific consequences that their branching out actually has on the fallout of Cinderella Project, the fact that they did indeed branch out at this specific point in time when their original project is facing problems, remains. And that’s the course of action that I find questionable. And that’s the position I’ve stated in my previous posts. Feel free to check them out.



Am I missing an episode? Hasn't she already chosen? If so: why would any business person keep investing money in assets that they don’t consider profitable? Altruism? Didn’t you say this was probably not a communistic setting?




Not being a dick: taking into consideration your partner’s position when making a decision that might potentially be in their detriment (if you take up a supplementary commitment, you subtract the time you employ to them by, at least, 50 percent, which, all other things being equal, might not be cool with them, even if they tell you so, ‘cause you know, they might not be as much of a dick as you)




Except that if you're part of a unit, by definition, is not. Or it SHOULD not. Again, assuming you're not a cunt.

Has Rin made New Gen big? Have the other two girls from TP debuted? If Rin goes to TP and they make it big wouldn’t that only mean that she’s only of any value when she’s with the other two? Or, merely: have TP with Rin actually make it big yet? What’s the evidence of her superior talent: Mishiro’s assessment? Haven’t the most successful and seasoned Idols in the company basically told Mishiro to fuck off with her ideas? Note that it is not my position that Rin is not talented, but that there’s no positive evidence (operative success) that she is.

ramenshoujo said:

On my phone here so gonna keep it short.

Cheating? Lol wtfudge ridiculous analogy.
Feel better elsewhere. Not true.
Already made decision which staff to keep. So not friggin true.
Assumptions and opinions everywhere.
However passionate you are about hating whichever character or defending your case. Stop cussing.
It doesnt help any argument and quite frankly makes you sound desperate. Seriously. Ive never read through so much cussing in one thread, cannot take you seriously anymore.

RockerXD said:
Man, Mio is such a class A bitch

sweetdrops said:
Mio ruining everything again.
Seriously I don't get this character. She first makes a drama because Rin wants to TRY another project (not even leave NG) and then she decides to do a solo debut without even CONSULTING her two partners, something Rin had the decency to do.
What's her problem? I really try to like her but she then does things like this...?
She is the one who is destroying NG. And now she leaves poor Uzuki all by herself.

Anyway, I'm really glad for Anya! I'm sure she will make a great job, and it's so touching to see Minami supporting her <3
I'm glad Rin decided to give Triad Primus a shot too :)

Serafos said:
Lol at these comments again. Everyone is saying Mio is a bitch, Mio is retarted etc. SIGH...

There's now way Rin could balance both units and make everything successful for everyone. She shouldn't have make that kind of promise to Mio in the first place.

Rin turned her back on Mio and decided to ditch their group and screw over both Mio and Uzuki's career to go off with new friends and now almost everyone here thinks Mio doesn't have any rights to be angry, sad or disappointed? Try to imagine how you would feel if you were in her shoes.

Now the only logical choice for Mio is to go solo. Period.