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Nenergy said: If I'd hear a majority of people calling it "deep" and "philosophical" (whatever those words may mean), yet wouldn't recognize those aspects of the show, I'd question myself before anything else. why? that's the same mentality that helped the nazis to take over germany |
Godhood said: why? that's the same mentality that helped the nazis to take over germany please elaborate on that. my problem is that you say the reviews on Tex didn't tell you in what way it's deep but you don't seem to have gone back to it and tried to understand what people consider deep about it. if you just saw gang fights with swords and ask others what THEY found deep about it, I don't see how that would help you with your understanding of the show. |
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Godhood said: Nenergy said: If I'd hear a majority of people calling it "deep" and "philosophical" (whatever those words may mean), yet wouldn't recognize those aspects of the show, I'd question myself before anything else. why? that's the same mentality that helped the nazis to take over germany I'm sure it was a self-critical approach that helped the Nazis gain power. Must be. |
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Antilope said: Godhood said: why? that's the same mentality that helped the nazis to take over germany I'm sure it was a self-critical approach that helped the Nazis gain power. Must be. He's talking about being critical and thinking for yourself, rather than accepting a prevailing opinion at face value. Goebbels' propaganda was very effective because ("Aryan") people placed their faith in him (as an extension of the NSDAP), a lot having to do with their lives noticeably improving. And that led to them accepting his words at face value. And the mechanism isn't all that different from different factions of the anime community making insightful comments about animes that you are familiar with, resulting in your blind acceptance of their opinions concerning anime like Texhnolyze, that you yourself couldn't see the brilliance in. As an aside, the historical development of the rise and fall of Nazi Germany, when studied deeply, can be very interesting because it shows what humanity is capable of doing. The motivations behind the different pieces in their society become very clear. Texhnolyze obviously doesn't have the advantage of being recorded history, and even with modifications, an original story never could. But I got the feeling that the different pieces of society in there were not a realistic portrayal of humanity, and that somewhat destroyed the narrative for me. Now, I guess this could be somewhat subjective, as I can't really prove nor disprove anything, but only try to point to where it's in conflict with my worldview. But rather than try to convince me that it actually was an effective portrayal of humanity, Texhnolyze just showed a sequence of events that the viewer was supposed to accept at face value. And I guess at this point, being so long after I watched it, I wouldn't be able to detail exactly what socio-political aspects bothered me outside of a few buzzwords, so I'm not even a good advocate of my point of view. And I didn't enjoy the experience enough to even consider rewatching it, so I guess I don't have much to contribute to this discussion. |
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Godhood said: Nenergy said: please elaborate on that. my problem is that you say the reviews on Tex didn't tell you in what way it's deep but you don't seem to have gone back to it and tried to understand what people consider deep about it. if you just saw gang fights with swords and ask others what THEY found deep about it, I don't see how that would help you with your understanding of the show. if others tell me whats so deep about texhnolyze then maybe it can provoke a thought in me. so far the only thing i got was the same stuff you find in every piece of cyberpunk literature and everyone dying through it also some wanna be van gogh paintings got adapted into a background and show how lifeless life is but that's it? Why not go check out folks have already said in praise of the series rather than challenging folks to dump to casually dump a wall of text? |
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| Regardless of how "deep" it was, it doesn't change the fact that it's one of the most boring anime ever |
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AttackOnTetris said: It just failed for you.It doesn't matter how smart your ideas are: if nobody can understand them, the presentation failed. |
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HaXXspetten said: Regardless of how "deep" it was, it doesn't change the fact that it's one of the most boring anime ever Everyone finds interest and value in different things, you of all people must know that. |
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Godhood said: HaXXspetten said: Regardless of how "deep" it was, it doesn't change the fact that it's one of the most boring anime ever your opinion holds no value because you are a pervert and fap to lolis no offense and this has nothing to do with the topic so whats the point even if his opinion is wrong fapping to lolis does not devalue anyone's opinions. |
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Zergneedsfood said: AttackOnTetris said: Except Texhnolyze makes no claim of being an "accurate portrayal" of humanity, nor is there anywhere in any guidelines that a realistic portrayal of humanity is preferable to one that is not. In fact, the latter is what often drives sci-fi. In other words, situations in science fiction might not be an accurate conduit through which we understand humanity (if we really wanted that, read fucking litfic), but they are interesting thought experiments that pique our interest. I wouldn't say Ender's Game is realistic, or Dune is realistic, or Hyperion is realistic, and numerous landmark sci-fi works are not known for their inherent realistic portrayals of humanity. Even the most lauded cyberpunk works do not hold a "realistic" portrayal of humanityBut I got the feeling that the different pieces of society in there were not a realistic portrayal of humanity, and that somewhat destroyed the narrative for me. I think the goal of cyberpunk can be summed as "don't portray people as they are, offer a take on what they can become" often times in a sort of cautionary way. Tex got that. |
gedataAug 29, 2015 5:29 PM
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| Its been a long time since I first watched Texhnolyze so its no longer very fresh in my mind but I do recall it effecting me greatly at the time and I still hold it as one of my favorites. However I just wanted to chime in here and say what I liked the most about it is it leaves so much open for each viewer to explore personally, rather than just laying down a 'set in stone' interpretation of everything. I definitely think they did an admirable job of this and its a shame when people feel the need to automatically tear down anything they personally don't 'get' or didn't resonate with. People should allow the possibility that great works exist out there that they just aren't going to appreciate based on their own personal taste, perspective, and even mood at the time of watching. When they don't allow room for this it seems to me that comes dangerously close to narcissism. Anyway as an example of one of the themes/subject matters I found particularly interesting in Texhnolyze which it doesn't necessarily spell out for us but points towards: The behavior and personalities of the characters being reflected by their environment and personal experiences. It seems to me these things leave such an enormous impression on our psyche, and in Texhnolyze because the environment these people live in is so extreme and unique you can clearly see how this has effected their psyche. In this case you can see the lifelessness/lack of passion/lack of values/nihilism being reflected in these people because their dead environment allows for no stimulation or growth. Its so unnatural and against the way we have evolved and our basic needs as intelligent, sentient lifeforms. I've noticed many people actually see the way the characters are as a negative thing that works against the story, whereas I see it as one of the most profound and interesting aspects of Texhnolyze. And as a side note one can also see these characters as 'robotic' in a way or 'texhnolyzed', meaning that the advancement in technology has gradually taken something vital or essential from what it means to be human. Or one can flip the script a bit and say that human nature is such that advancement in technology makes extinction inevitable. Perhaps we simply aren't meant to control such powerful forces which are part of something too large to be completely understood (nature/evolution), especially when we ourselves are so flawed and we can hardly understand and control human nature. I mean look, there is clearly a ton to think about here. Whether you actually find any of this interesting, or if it never even occurred to you in the first place, is beyond the anime's control. Its just goes to show subjective these things are. All I'm saying is don't be so quick to condemn what you don't appreciate or understand. Godhood said: whats the point in showing human evolution if everyone dies in the end? So what's the point of living your life if you and everyone else will eventually die and be forgotten? We each much use our precious brains to come up with our own answers. |
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