High School DxD BorN Episode 10 Discussion

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Tlahuizcapante said:

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I loved everything about it. You all are freaking out even though Rias isn't even controlling herself. It's not like she actually thought that he was the real Isse... I can't wait for him to get her back though because it was brutal to see her taken away from Isse! It hurt my heart

I think, people freaking out because of anime-only content.( including myself) I wanted some epic fight with Loki and rating game Occult club VS Sona, not some soap drama.( it been in novel later and have been more impressive. Some moment already have been in third season.)

Up until Juggernaut drive I was in the camp that defended the adaptation however with this episode I find I really can't defend it anymore. The fact that they made Issei voice that fear that he only realizes much later down the line is very worrisome to say the least =_=

Jun 7, 2015 5:51 AM

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I still liked this episode. I think the way they are showing it now is a better way of staging Ise's Raynare problem. I feel that once Loki is defeated, he won't be as insecure about girls as he was before. In the novel, they don't really show the influence of the trauma that much or that well.

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Darklight0303 said:

Tlahuizcapante said:

I think, people freaking out because of anime-only content.( including myself) I wanted some epic fight with Loki and rating game Occult club VS Sona, not some soap drama.( it been in novel later and have been more impressive. Some moment already have been in third season.)

Up until Juggernaut drive I was in the camp that defended the adaptation however with this episode I find I really can't defend it anymore. The fact that they made Issei voice that fear that he only realizes much later down the line is very worrisome to say the least =_=

Jun 7, 2015 5:56 AM

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azeem40 said:
I still liked this episode. I find that they explained Ise's pain with Raynare pretty well, and I feel that once Loki is defeated, he won't be so insecure about girls anymore.

And that's the problem. That insecurity is meant to be cured and resolved LATER down the line. NOT NOW.

Jun 7, 2015 6:00 AM

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Darklight0303 said:

azeem40 said:
I still liked this episode. I find that they explained Ise's pain with Raynare pretty well, and I feel that once Loki is defeated, he won't be so insecure about girls anymore.

And that's the problem. That insecurity is meant to be cured and resolved LATER down the line. NOT NOW.

I edited my comment by the way. I somewhat agree but also disagree. They need to set some basis for his Raynare problem. It wasn't really a big part of the LN (at least, it wasn't shown that way), until season 10, and I feel that this gradual change they are showing in the anime will set the background quite well.

Jun 7, 2015 6:05 AM

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Also, I found it weird that he tells them of his problems and they "heal" it ljust ike that. They didn't even address her influence on him until that volume.

Jun 7, 2015 6:41 AM

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azeem40 said:

Darklight0303 said:

And that's the problem. That insecurity is meant to be cured and resolved LATER down the line. NOT NOW.

I edited my comment by the way. I somewhat agree but also disagree. They need to set some basis for his Raynare problem. It wasn't really a big part of the LN (at least, it wasn't shown that way), until season 10, and I feel that this gradual change they are showing in the anime will set the background quite well.

There's a difference between showing it and RESOLVING IT VOLUMES AHEAD OF TIME. That's the biggest problem. It was something he wasn't even consciously aware of until

It was much more poignant in the novel and right now that's in jeopardy with this episode. It's bad.

Jun 7, 2015 7:04 AM

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scumbag loki

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Jun 7, 2015 7:06 AM

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lol, another NTR episode... fuck!! now it's Rias's turn... god I hate this shit..

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Jun 7, 2015 7:10 AM

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Well, all this NTR thing can be played in 2 directions:

1- Ise get his shit together and breaks the curse by confessing his love/fear to rias/everyone. This case will break all the continuity for the vol. 10 of the LN.

2- The ORC+company breaks the curse by force or by something else not related to Ise directly (e.g. Akeno taunts Rias with taking Ise away, Ophis takes the curse away, a giant ramen cup falls from the sky and crushes the clon, etc). This case will Increase Ise's Fear to an incredible point that it will be a great cliffhanger and will be perfect to start the first arc of the next season (assuming there is another)... Because just imagine: Ise getting really Frightened by touching women or by being touched by them would be an awesome plot twist (although this is impossible).

Anyway, that was my imagination floating free.

Now lets get a little grip.

I think Ise will use the JD again to save her because, the clon was made with a fragment of Ise's armor and is powered by Loki, that means is likely to be able to use the scaile mail to some extent, so if we put vali and loki fighting and all the other members taking care of loki's pets we have left the fake+(?)Rias(?) vs Ise, and since nobody knows about the price for using the JD besides of azazel and Ise, he can use it recklessly and by some kind of Vali's warning all the ORC will snap from the battle including Rias, Leading to a steady post-battle situation that can be used to either finish the anime version (i.e last season) or to start a new one with koneko and Asia healing Ise and taking the LN route again.

PS. all of this is about the actual original history, the only parts that i mention the LN is for next seasons, so don't come and yell at me for posting something not included in the LN.

Jun 7, 2015 7:13 AM

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The kiss is real, guessing that Rias feels pretty down becuse of that. She want's Issei for her self ;)

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Jun 7, 2015 7:16 AM

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moyppc said:
Well, all this NTR thing can be played in 2 directions:

1- Ise get his shit together and breaks the curse by confessing his love/fear to rias/everyone. This case will break all the continuity for the vol. 10 of the LN.

2- The ORC+company breaks the curse by force or by something else not related to Ise directly (e.g. Akeno taunts Rias with taking Ise away, Ophis takes the curse away, a giant ramen cup falls from the sky and crushes the clon, etc). This case will Increase Ise's Fear to an incredible point that it will be a great cliffhanger and will be perfect to start the first arc of the next season (assuming there is another)... Because just imagine: Ise getting really Frightened by touching women or by being touched by them would be an awesome plot twist (although this is impossible).

Anyway, that was my imagination floating free.

Now lets get a little grip.

I think Ise will use the JD again to save her because, the clon was made with a fragment of Ise's armor and is powered by Loki, that means is likely to be able to use the scaile mail to some extent, so if we put vali and loki fighting and all the other members taking care of loki's pets we have left the fake+(?)Rias(?) vs Ise, and since nobody knows about the price for using the JD besides of azazel and Ise, he can use it recklessly and by some kind of Vali's warning all the ORC will snap from the battle including Rias, Leading to a steady post-battle situation that can be used to either finish the anime version (i.e last season) or to start a new one with koneko and Asia healing Ise and taking the LN route again.

PS. all of this is about the actual original history, the only parts that i mention the LN is for next seasons, so don't come and yell at me for posting something not included in the LN.

cool...I don't mind , thanks for sharing it :))

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Jun 7, 2015 7:16 AM

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moyppc said:
Well, all this NTR thing can be played in 2 directions:

1- Ise get his shit together and breaks the curse by confessing his love/fear to rias/everyone. This case will break all the continuity for the vol. 10 of the LN.

2- The ORC+company breaks the curse by force or by something else not related to Ise directly (e.g. Akeno taunts Rias with taking Ise away, Ophis takes the curse away, a giant ramen cup falls from the sky and crushes the clon, etc). This case will Increase Ise's Fear to an incredible point that it will be a great cliffhanger and will be perfect to start the first arc of the next season (assuming there is another)... Because just imagine: Ise getting really Frightened by touching women or by being touched by them would be an awesome plot twist (although this is impossible).

Anyway, that was my imagination floating free.

Now lets get a little grip.

I think Ise will use the JD again to save her because, the clon was made with a fragment of Ise's armor and is powered by Loki, that means is likely to be able to use the scaile mail to some extent, so if we put vali and loki fighting and all the other members taking care of loki's pets we have left the fake+(?)Rias(?) vs Ise, and since nobody knows about the price for using the JD besides of azazel and Ise, he can use it recklessly and by some kind of Vali's warning all the ORC will snap from the battle including Rias, Leading to a steady post-battle situation that can be used to either finish the anime version (i.e last season) or to start a new one with koneko and Asia healing Ise and taking the LN route again.

PS. all of this is about the actual original history, the only parts that i mention the LN is for next seasons, so don't come and yell at me for posting something not included in the LN.

Option two would be the best case scenario so here's hoping

Jun 7, 2015 7:32 AM

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Yeah...didn't really like this episode. Asia kissing Issei was cool. But that's it. Netorare? Meh.

Jun 7, 2015 7:33 AM

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Like my friend said, there are too many kidnaps in this series.

And friends... For gods sake, please, first read the "NTR" description properly , rather that write such things

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Jun 7, 2015 7:50 AM

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kseon12 said:
And friends... For gods sake, please, first read the "NTR" description properly , rather that write such things

It's not like we dont know the real meaning of netorare, but is easier to use a word that can explain broadly the situation we are discussing and almost everyone who comes here to look at others posts will immediately relate the parts we are talking about. And yes there are too many kidnaps

Jun 7, 2015 8:39 AM

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I guess Rias felt jealous when Asia and Issei kissed?

Jun 7, 2015 8:40 AM

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Harrymanhunter said:
Yeah...didn't really like this episode. Asia kissing Issei was cool. But that's it. Netorare? Meh.

lmfao this is soo fucking hypocrtical

if its asia and issei its not ntr but if its rias everyone loses their shit

Jun 7, 2015 8:42 AM

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Okay, i read the LN.. Now, it was actually pretty nice, I was going by the knowledge that the anime offered (didn't go by the LN) and you sort of understand it. However, this episode just prove to be ridiculous... I mean in the LN, there was no cheating or anything freaking like that!! It relied purely on character development in a significant margin and therefore, we have Issei x Rias as the main couple then it is harem... While in this one, the thought of Rias losing her "virginity" to Evil Issei clone is unsettling. Now, I understand the author is working closely with the animation studio, but that thought haunts me you know... If you guys read a novel or watched it, and it is called Blacksmith something... (The original work included the Main Heroine being NTR'd by the Antagonist) as well as School Days~ you know which part... Anyways, the point that I am trying to get across is that the DxD LN did not have NTR nor near NTR situations unlike to this situation, and I for one do not enjoy it.... I am just watching it, because I am supporting the author to finish his DxD series since part of the profit the studio makes goes to the author, I believe

they were alone in a room together for 5 minutes with all of their clothes on...sex wasn't even remotely implied...

also, all the people calling this cheating are hilarious; she saw 2 isseis in front of her and didn't bat an eye, so she's clearly not lucid at this point...if someone roofies your ass, you're not cheating

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Jun 7, 2015 8:47 AM

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Dropped since the end of Akeno arc, planning to continue only when Juggies happen.
So guys has it happened?

Jun 7, 2015 8:48 AM

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Moodie said:

Harrymanhunter said:
Yeah...didn't really like this episode. Asia kissing Issei was cool. But that's it. Netorare? Meh.

lmfao this is soo fucking hypocrtical

if its asia and issei its not ntr but if its rias everyone loses their shit

NTR implies rape. If there's no rape, than it's not NTR. And the clone didn't even kiss her. People take this series way too seriously. And I'm a huge DxD fanboy.

Jun 7, 2015 8:53 AM

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olaolakaka said:
Dropped since the end of Akeno arc, planning to continue only when Juggies happen.
So guys has it happened?

Yes juggernaut happened last episode

Jun 7, 2015 8:56 AM

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I love how Asia's cloths gets ripped while she was healing Issei XD her healing powers are too stronk!

And their kiss, I bet Rias is kinda jealous, but happy she managed to save him! Tho I wasn't expecting she would get this "drunk", I mean... there were clearly 2 Isseis and she didn't even bat an eye, wtf? xD

Things are about to go down, the ending of the season is near!

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Jun 7, 2015 9:34 AM

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Darklight0303 said:

azeem40 said:

I edited my comment by the way. I somewhat agree but also disagree. They need to set some basis for his Raynare problem. It wasn't really a big part of the LN (at least, it wasn't shown that way), until season 10, and I feel that this gradual change they are showing in the anime will set the background quite well.

There's a difference between showing it and RESOLVING IT VOLUMES AHEAD OF TIME. That's the biggest problem. It was something he wasn't even consciously aware of until

It was much more poignant in the novel and right now that's in jeopardy with this episode. It's bad.

I'll just have to disagree with you. It doesn't matter when the LN had it resolved. This way makes more sense than it just magically getting healed by talking to the girls and them healing it.

Jun 7, 2015 9:37 AM

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Pretty crap episode. Now that it's all anime original I doubt this is going to get any better.

Jun 7, 2015 9:38 AM

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azeem40 said:

Darklight0303 said:

There's a difference between showing it and RESOLVING IT VOLUMES AHEAD OF TIME. That's the biggest problem. It was something he wasn't even consciously aware of until

It was much more poignant in the novel and right now that's in jeopardy with this episode. It's bad.

I'll just have to disagree with you. It doesn't matter when the LN had it resolved. This way makes more sense than it just magically getting healed by talking to the girls and them healing it.

This way makes more sense? Stop smoking the shrooms.

Jun 7, 2015 9:38 AM

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Pretty crap episode. Now that it's all anime original I doubt this is going to get any better.

the creator didnt like how the ln was so he wanted to change it for the anime

idk why ppl are thinking this is something that the creator put no input to

Jun 7, 2015 9:52 AM

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Temph said:
I love how Asia's cloths gets ripped while she was healing Issei XD her healing powers are too stronk!

And their kiss, I bet Rias is kinda jealous, but happy she managed to save him! Tho I wasn't expecting she would get this "drunk", I mean... there were clearly 2 Isseis and she didn't even bat an eye, wtf? xD

Things are about to go down, the ending of the season is near!

I think what happened with that duplicate Ise did something to her mind.

Jun 7, 2015 9:54 AM

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Darklight0303 said:

azeem40 said:

I'll just have to disagree with you. It doesn't matter when the LN had it resolved. This way makes more sense than it just magically getting healed by talking to the girls and them healing it.

This way makes more sense? Stop smoking the shrooms.

There wasn't any hints of anything before v9 except for a fraction of a paragraph in v4. Whenever Ise was in a steamy situation, he never ever had any thoughts that hinted at Reynare or anything. Just how much he loved being in such situations. Yeah, I don't see a point in talking about this with you any more. You sound like a LN purist and won't accept change.

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azeem40 said:
There wasn't any hints of anything before v9 except for a fraction of a paragraph in v4. Whenever Ise was in a steamy situation, he never ever had any thoughts that hinted at Reynare or anything. Just how much he loved being in such situations. Yeah, I don't see a point in talking about this with you any more. You sound like a LN purist and won't accept change.

... Did you just copy and paste one of my earlier comments? Because the first part is like, word by word, exactly like one of my earlier comments.

About that matter, as long as they don't solve the trauma in this season, I'm fine with it. Introducing it earlier is what I appreciate a lot, but solving it now would nullify v10 which was by far the best volume in the series.

Jun 7, 2015 10:10 AM

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Damn, getting NTRed... by yourself. That's harsh.
I don't know why, but I felt like I saw a similar DxD doujin...
cough cough

Well, on happier note, Asia kiss was cute. I laughed out loud when she was healing Issei and her dress teared up. Gotta place some boobs somewhere ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Issei probably unconsciously used Dress Break.

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Jun 7, 2015 10:15 AM

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AverageFanboy said:

azeem40 said:
There wasn't any hints of anything before v9 except for a fraction of a paragraph in v4. Whenever Ise was in a steamy situation, he never ever had any thoughts that hinted at Reynare or anything. Just how much he loved being in such situations. Yeah, I don't see a point in talking about this with you any more. You sound like a LN purist and won't accept change.

... Did you just copy and paste one of my earlier comments? Because the first part is like, word by word, exactly like one of my earlier comments.

About that matter, as long as they don't solve the trauma in this season, I'm fine with it. Introducing it earlier is what I appreciate a lot, but solving it now would nullify v10 which was by far the best volume in the series.

Exactly that's the biggest problem. If they solve it now they destroy volume 10 which is unfucking forgivable.

Jun 7, 2015 10:29 AM

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Darklight0303 said:

AverageFanboy said:

... Did you just copy and paste one of my earlier comments? Because the first part is like, word by word, exactly like one of my earlier comments.

About that matter, as long as they don't solve the trauma in this season, I'm fine with it. Introducing it earlier is what I appreciate a lot, but solving it now would nullify v10 which was by far the best volume in the series.

Exactly that's the biggest problem. If they solve it now they destroy volume 10 which is unfucking forgivable.

but they haven't solved it...so save your bitching for when they actually do...you've been ranting about it like it's a foregone conclusion that it will be resolved in the next two episodes, but given the fact that issei's curse has been broken, there's no real reason that they need to resolve the underlying issue this season, and since rias' curse has a foothold and has taken center-stage, i don't see any reason why they would focus on issei's insecurity with only ~ 40 minutes left to cover everything else that needs to be covered

Jun 7, 2015 10:48 AM

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Darklight0303 said:

AverageFanboy said:

... Did you just copy and paste one of my earlier comments? Because the first part is like, word by word, exactly like one of my earlier comments.

About that matter, as long as they don't solve the trauma in this season, I'm fine with it. Introducing it earlier is what I appreciate a lot, but solving it now would nullify v10 which was by far the best volume in the series.

Exactly that's the biggest problem. If they solve it now they destroy volume 10 which is unfucking forgivable.

Now, now, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Nothing indicates they're going to solve it yet, so let's stay calm okay?:D

Jun 7, 2015 11:01 AM

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Yeah, this episode was extremely horrible compared to the light novels, but if viewed as just an anime episode (without comparing it to the original, but to anime episodes in general), it wasn't that bad (except the Asia tension clothes burst moment)

Jun 7, 2015 11:22 AM

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Now to all those that keep on hating Asia and say that she is useless.
Without her, Issie would be in real trouble.
And that kiss haha in your face hater lol.
Asia may not be my favorite character, but she is not useless as some people think she is.
Now, I rest my case.

Jun 7, 2015 12:15 PM

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AverageFanboy said:

Darklight0303 said:

Exactly that's the biggest problem. If they solve it now they destroy volume 10 which is unfucking forgivable.

Now, now, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Nothing indicates they're going to solve it yet, so let's stay calm okay?:D

Expecting the worst tends to lead to less disappointment. Sadly I've rarely been wrong with that stance.

Jun 7, 2015 12:22 PM

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dammm issi so annoying not pay attension to riaz and now luki cuarse i hope that this problem with riaz issi thing will be solve befor the sesion end
and then happaly ever after

but right now im so pisst!!!

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Jun 7, 2015 12:37 PM

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Fuck Rias! she is stupid enough to be jealous. Issei should just forget bout her and stick with Akeno

Shirayuki= Most Perfect Female MC ever

Jun 7, 2015 12:45 PM

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Fck NTR

Jun 7, 2015 1:19 PM

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needed more plot imho

Jun 7, 2015 1:24 PM

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Let me just tell you "Anti-LN-Purists" something:

This change isn't going to affect just us, it's probably going to make the anime series coming to an early end.

From now on, it's spoilers, read if you want:

Jun 7, 2015 1:31 PM

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