Who should Neji end up with? ♡

tragedydesu said:
tsunderes always win ...
im waiting it to end if he chose Misaki i will continue reading it
other ways i will drop it

Kuma said:


the tsundere one is nisaka thou...

Saki said:
At first I really liked Misaki for him, but as the story progressed I'm more towards Lilina, they're really adorable! And there's a reason why she was picked as his fiance right? :c

Zahel said:
If Nagima chooses Lilina, then it would make him an @$$ to both girls. He already has confessed his love for Misaki (and she to him), but then go on his own to develop feelings for another girl. In this case Lilina. At this point, we can say that both Lilina and Misaki are too good for him now. His heart is in two places, and can we confidently claim that as love?

Zahel said:
Now the government. Ah yes...they are all powerful and know what is best for you. You don't know what you are really feeling, because the government does! Yeah, I'm not buying that BS even if they have falling birth rates. If this is really about love, then the only logical and rational decision here is to not interfere with natrual love.

Zahel said:
Of course though, it's not to about love because the goverment doesn't factor that into their "areanged partners"

Zahel said:
These are serious problems for this manga. What is the author trying to achieve?

Zahel said:
I think he should end with Misaki, but I wouldn't be suprised if he really ends up with Lilina. If he ends with Lilina, it'll be a bland victory. Kinda tasteless because it would be too obvious. If he ends with Misaki, then I would honestly be surprised, but it'll also feel bland due to this being the only other option.

Pik3Rob said:
Yes, we can. The problem with what you're saying is that like many teenage boys, his feelings fluctuate. He might have loved Misaki at the beginning, and might still say he does, but his true feelings may have changed to go towards Lilina over the course of the story. You can't definitively say who he likes, because he's not just some static character who says he loves one person, without having events possibly change the way he sees things. Also, to say that both loves are not genuine because you love two people, is very narrow minded.
I've refuted this argument against Lilina above (as in a different post), so I won't go over most of it. But the problem with this, is that you aren't even making much of a point. The story never says that the government knows 100% who is best for you, but tests compatibility, which is their alternative to this "natural love," as it does indeed increase birth rates, and the genetics of their citizens. Also, no, the "only logical and rational decision" is not to not interfere with "natural love." This is an emotional decision, not one based on logic or rationality. If you want to increase the birthrate, and improve the genetics/abilities of your people, then the Government Notice System is for the most part a logical system.
They do factor that into their arranged partners, because they test for compatibility, and frequently check up on them to make sure their relationship is going right. It's not about this "natural love" you're preaching, but they are trying to make sure the people they arrange are indeed in love.
Try looking past the government system, and see how it affects the characters themselves, and you might find out.It's not about being surprised though. It's about what's best for the story, and for the characters. You don't go with the surprising option just to be surprising. Also, it wouldn't be bland to go with Lilina, because it shows a change in Nejima's character throughout the story. Should also factor in Lilina being best girl to that equation as well.

Pik3Rob said:
Yes, we can. The problem with what you're saying is that like many teenage boys, his feelings fluctuate. He might have loved Misaki at the beginning, and might still say he does, but his true feelings may have changed to go towards Lilina over the course of the story. You can't definitively say who he likes, because he's not just some static character who says he loves one person, without having events possibly change the way he sees things. Also, to say that both loves are not genuine because you love two people, is very narrow minded.
I've refuted this argument against Lilina above (as in a different post), so I won't go over most of it. But the problem with this, is that you aren't even making much of a point. The story never says that the government knows 100% who is best for you, but tests compatibility, which is their alternative to this "natural love," as it does indeed increase birth rates, and the genetics of their citizens. Also, no, the "only logical and rational decision" is not to not interfere with "natural love." This is an emotional decision, not one based on logic or rationality. If you want to increase the birthrate, and improve the genetics/abilities of your people, then the Government Notice System is for the most part a logical system.
They do factor that into their arranged partners, because they test for compatibility, and frequently check up on them to make sure their relationship is going right. It's not about this "natural love" you're preaching, but they are trying to make sure the people they arrange are indeed in love.
Try looking past the government system, and see how it affects the characters themselves, and you might find out.It's not about being surprised though. It's about what's best for the story, and for the characters. You don't go with the surprising option just to be surprising. Also, it wouldn't be bland to go with Lilina, because it shows a change in Nejima's character throughout the story. Should also factor in Lilina being best girl to that equation as well.

Violymph said:
I really feel like Lilina is going to end up with him tbh, I can't really see Misaki as endgame because she's too similar to Onodera )):

Zahel said:
You see, the thing about him choosing Lilina is that she was always the second choice. At the very beginning of his manga, before Lilina was even introduced, Negima already loved Misaki and vise versa. We cannot deny that because that's what the first few chapters were all about. The change in his character is because of Lilina right? Then that means that Lilina and the government are the ulitmate factor here. This is why you cannot simply ignore the government interference.

Best girl? I don't really care for that arguement. Yeah I have a preference, but that's got nothing to do with why I think tge way I do. Lilina or Misaki, I just know that Negima wasn't coerced into loving Misaki. His feelings there are genuine. You and I both know we cannot say the same for Lilina. He's of course developing feelings for her, but it's only after forcfully being coerced into the relationship. Both Lilina and Negima both know that.

Pik3Rob said:


He was never coerced into loving Lilina. The manga makes this incredibly clear. I covered it in a different comment above why this isn't the case.

Zahel said:
How is it not coercion if he is now conflicted then? If he wasn't conflicted and showed that he loves only Lilina, which is clearly not the case, then he wasn't coerced. But, that is not the case here. You and I both know that he developed feelings for Misaki on his own. Tell me who is it that makes him confess to Misaki at the very start of this manga? It was Negima himself. He chose to confess all on his own, and when he did so, he found out that Misaki felt the same way for him as he did for her. This is the natural love that developed on its own. That is definitely not the case for Lilina though. This is why a lot of people bring up the government interference.

Zahel said:
See my issue is that the feelings that Negima has toward Lilina, has everything to do with the government interference. I don't know why you keep denying it as though Lilina doesn't have any association to them, but you seem to be trying very hard to look past it. This is essentially where your bias towards Lilina really isn't helping you convince me otherwise. You can claim that Negima holds affection for Lilina in the current state of the manga, which is undoubtedly true, but you shouldn't go to deny that the only reason for his affection towards her was because the government introduced them to each other. This reason alone invalidates your claim that the government has nothing to do with their relationship. As a matter of fact, it's the only reason why they even started their relationship in the first place. This, the manga does make incredibly clear.

Pik3Rob said:


Except Nejima doesn't owe his love for Lilina to the government. He at no point in time ever saw Lilina as the one he was meant to be with due to their initial goal of getting him together with Misaki. The government may have brought them together in the sense of getting them to meet, but there were never any factors that forced him to fall in love with her. That was all of his own accord. He got to know her because of the government. He fell in love with her because of himself.



The government may have introduced them, but that does not in any way whatsoever invalidate their feelings for one another. They only met each other because of the government. However, all the development in their relationship with each other has not been because the government has been pushing them to be together. Their love has been built up throughout the story, and it was actually done really damn well, as it didn't rely on the government forcing them to love one another. They both work well together, and I had at no point considered their love weak or disingenuous at all. They work much better as a pair than Misaki and Nejima, because we've seen them interact more and have actually witnessed their feelings grow, rather than being told that they just watched each other from afar. Nejima and Lilina have a much more compelling romance going on between the two of them, and that matters to me way more than the fact that they met because of the government notice system.

If you honestly think that he shouldn't be with Lilina because he met her through the Government Notice System, then you're completely missing the entire point of the story. It's more about the consequences of the system, rather than the system itself being inherently flawed in it's own right.

Zahel said:
I do acknowledge that he likes Lilina. It is a consequence of the system. His feelings grow for her because of the system jump starting it. Though, I think that's the...disgusting...part of this manga. Due to Lilina, he can't make his original choice. He has to consider her, and in doing so has to make himself love her too. That is the consequence of this system. I would hope that the author pulls through with Misaki because I think they can hold a more complex and meaningful relationship. Misaki would be pulling through all odds, the government and it's system, just to be together with Negima. Lilina just get's handed a silver spoon with Negima's name on it. Whomever Negima chooses, it'll set his personality in stone and we can get some concrete answers.

In the end, it kind of sucks because Negima won't really have to worry about the consequences. He loves both of them, so he'll fine with either of them as the end game. He'll win no matter who he chooses. It is the ladies that are taking the whip for him...and it's looking to be Misaki that'll receive the lashes.

Pik3Rob said:


I think the idea that we are even having a conversation on who he should end up with is proof that he does indeed have a choice in the matter. The fact that Misaki is even an option proves this. Both Nejima and Lilina have both decided that Misaki herself was always an option for him, so I think that should he choose Lilina, it would be due to him loving her without the idea that they were forced to be together, because he never felt that way.

Zahel said:
See, that's not how humans work though. We can't just say, "Okay. I don't feel like this no more because I just don't and I'm just going to feel like that because I want to", and function completely fine. Just look at how Misaki tried to ignore Negima after he got his government notice. She loves him even more even more now because she realizes what the stakes are. I can see that Negima doesn't feel that he was forced into loving Lilina, but we as the audience, we do understand that at the beginning even both Lilina and Negima felt that it was artificial. Their relationship has become something more since then, but Negima's going to come to a realization, sooner or later, that he's giving up on Misaki not because he is choose to.

Pik3Rob said:


You're right. A person can't force themselves to feel a different way about people. Which isn't what any of the characters have done. Nejima never decided that he would just stop liking Misaki and start liking Lilina. But feelings do indeed change over the course of time, which is what is most likely happening at the moment with him. He's going after a different girl because his feelings have changed through his experiences being together with her. I see no problem with this. He's choosing Lilina because of his time together with her, more than because the government told them to be with each other. I don't see any problem as long as he fell in love with her in a more genuine way than "I was told to," which is exacctly what happened.

Zahel said:
You just described Nisekoi. That's truly unfortunate, because I really did think that this manga would amount to something more meaningful. I guess I can now confidently say that Misaki never meant anything in this manga. She was just a secondary character who is disguised as a main character. Someone to throw under the bus in order to progress the plot. The Onodera treatment, except that Misaki never had a chance from the start, due to the government interference. The only candle that this manga would hold to Nisekoi is that this isn't a gag manga. It feels wrong that he is likely going to end up with Lilina when he should end up with Misaki. Negima would be happy with Lilina, but there will always be something wrong about the relationship under all the cuteness. It'll definately be genuine, but it'll also undoubtedly be twisted.

Pik3Rob said:


I don't think that Misaki was ever useless. I mean, would you say the same of Lilina if he doesn't get together with her? Same with Nisaka to an extent. She does indeed have a purpose in the story, and thanks to their original love together, and the desire to get Nejima and Misaki together allowed for a more genuine relationship to form between Lilina and Nejima, which to me is very important.

Don't understand how you can call their relationship twisted. I think that as long as the love is 100% genuine, then it doesn't matter what outside factors are involved, it can't be twisted.

Zahel said:
Yes Lilina wouldn't hold a purpose either other than a stepping stone for Misaki if she was was given the Onodera treatment.

Zahel said:
Although at this point, Lilina's been the ONLY one to receive development from the author. Misaki hasn't had any of that for quite a while now. Misaki's only purpose, in the current state of the manga, would be to bolster Lilina's relationship? That's called throwing a character under the bus. She holds no purpose other than a stepping stone for Lilina. Not very merit worthy for someone who is considered a main character and part of the triangle

Zahel said:
1. You confess, and now know that she loves you and you love her back.

Zahel said:
Put it this way. You are in love with girl 1. You confess, and now know that she loves you and you love her back. Then your parents suggest and introduce you to girl 2. Now, you develop feelings for girl 2. That suggestion from your parents was enough to sway your affection for girl 1 towards girl 2. Do you STILL think that your love for girl 2 is 100% genuine? What about your love for girl 1? Was it not 100% genuine when you confessed to girl 1? How is this scenario not twisted? Your feelings at the time toward girl 2 may be genuine, but it's definitely been twisted.

Zahel said:
Outside factors are not something you can just ignore. It wouldn't be delusional for Negima to not love Misaki if he ignored those outside factors, but he's human. He can't ignore those factors, that's why he still loves Misaki and doesn't just completely ignore her like she should

Pik3Rob said:

Can't say I agree with the notion that if one girl doesn't end up with someone, then they held no purpose.


Except Misaki clearly has problems herself, and is most likely to get development in the future. As long as she ends up becoming a fully fleshed out character, then I don't see the reason to think she's useless. Even if she is a stepping stone for the Lilina relationship, she still ended up helping to push the story, and contributing to what made it interesting in the first place. I see no problem with a character serving that purpose.



Pretty sure most real life relationships don't play out like that, but okay.


Except this scenario isn't 1 to 1 with what happened to the manga, so it's not exactly a good example.


Except the outside factors that led him to love someone else have been spending time with another girl, which is a legitimate reason to fall out of love with someone. He still says he's in love with Misaki because Nejima is a man of slit affections.

Zahel said:
You can't say that for Lilina, because she ALREADY has development in the current state of the manga. I would love for you to claim that Misaki does too.
It really is only interesting when it pushes for the character you root for. You're rooting for Lilina and she's getting her development. I don't see any evidence of the author doing so for both Nisaka and Misaki. (Which is funny because Misaki is clearly the favored one in the above poll) We've gone 100+ chapters without any evidence of that happening. Only addressing them from time to time in order to have Negima show his dilemma.

Zahel said:
How so is it that it's not a 1:1 nor a good example? Your parents are basically equivalent to the government. You are Negima. Girl 1 is Misaki. Girl 2 is Lilina. If you don't see the correlation, then are you saying that Negima isn't falling in love with Lilina? Are you saying that Negima didn't confess to Misaki at the beginning of the manga? Preposterous. You and I have been claiming that since we started this conversation.

Zahel said:
With outside factors, you seem to be choosing what you want to hear only. You acknowledge that there are outside factors that is making Negima fall in love thie Lilina, but you don't want to acknowledge that the Government Marriage System is the sole reason for their love in the first place.

Pik3Rob said:

They're clearly setting things up for a payoff in the end. Lilina is most likely the main girl, so she's getting a bit more focus now, but the fact that they've introduced conflicts with Misaki show that they plan on doing good on them.
Because there's events that happen in the manga past the initial scenario, that make this a very simplistic version of what happens.

Outside factors affect our interactions with literally everyone. I mean, Nejima's parents chose to enroll him the same elementary school as Misaki (I know they didn't do it because Misaki was there), and that was a factor that was not under his control, and that outside factor led him to fall in love with Misaki as a result. Many factors inside and outside affect who we are, however, we need to make sure our feelings are not dominated by those on the outside, and that we do indeed have a will of our own. Nejima's feelings towards Lilina are not dominated by these outside factors, as he never fell in love with her because the government told him to.

Saki said:
At first I really liked Misaki for him, but as the story progressed I'm more towards Lilina, they're really adorable! And there's a reason why she was picked as his fiance right? :c

srph said:
I prefer Misaki. I would really hate to see Misaka X Nisaka or anything besides Misaki X Yukari after all those sweet words and kisses.

Fuchs23 said:
Misaki. She is madly in love with MC. She confessed (without any stupid waiting drama). She is ready to sacrifice her happiness if it is necessery to help Mc achieve his dream (studies).

Lilina on the other hand. She did nothing. Mc is her first real friend. He helped her to connect with other people. Does she even love him? Or she mistakes friendship with love?
People symphatize with Lilina because she is (was) social outcast. Always alone. Poor her.

If Mc chooses Lilina what is motto of the story? Government is always right. Absurd.
What if government deliberately swapped partners and Mc still chooses Lilina? Government can enforce any relationship that they want. Absurd.

I'm sure this will end with the most obvious and cliche pairing Lilina x Nejima. Well people loves cliche (Nisekoi is one huge cliche and people loves it).
I hope Misaki will have happy ending. Nisaka would be much better option for her but this is not very likely because of obvious reasons.

Saki said:
At first I really liked Misaki for him, but as the story progressed I'm more towards Lilina, they're really adorable! And there's a reason why she was picked as his fiance right? :c