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Feb 28, 2013 7:44 AM
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hpulley said:
Saki and Shun don't discuss the weather or anything like that. She does speak to him The first time he doesn't speak back to her at all, just smiles. Later on she is always in a fight for her life so there is no time for small talk, just learning how to defeat Maria's son.

Tokyo yes. Subways I think, underground. I focus more on the action and I start reading too fast when it gets exciting so I miss stuff and have to go back and reread. I can look for location references again tonight though I want to finish Red Data Girl six novels before the show starts so I will need to forget about Shinsekai Yori soon!

I thought she already told him she loved him on the boat but the anime either skipped it or I misread it. I looked for it last night but couldn't find it so now I am doubting myself. For once I wish I had this as a ebook so I could search for it. I have a zillion paper bookmarks for important events but stupidly I forgot to put a bookmark at that page. I will search again...



Red Data Girl... is it any good? As good as Shisekai Yori?


By the way I heard she get separated from Satoru again (like in episode 20) in Tokyo and then it's only her and that Inui guy and then Inui dies.
But after that I don't know... I guess she finds Satoru.

But she won't get separated from Satoru again and will fight the Akki alone right? Because I want Satoru to fight too!
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I have only started RDG but it is good so far. Will have to let you know when I finish... and make a novel forum.

The final battle is long, cat and mouse in the tunnels, separations, chases, hiding, etc. Unless I misunderstood, Satoru is there too when Maria's son dies but he may be some distance away. He is at least within shouting distance I say. It is a chaotic fight, not straightforward. Wish I had the book on me... will check again tonight. They go down with Inui and Kiroumaru.

After the kid dies Saki then thinks or at least writes, I did not kill. I did not kill. I did not kill. I am alive. Even with the Psycho Buster she was worried she would die of kishi but the first person narrative makes it less intense as you know she cannot die if she wrote the book. Would have been more exciting if it had been Satoru and you didn't know, if Saki did not know if he was dead or alive and they could have had Shun speak in Satoru's head too, they were lovers after all.
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I have only started RDG but it is good so far. Will have to let you know when I finish... and make a novel forum.

The final battle is long, cat and mouse in the tunnels, separations, chases, hiding, etc. Unless I misunderstood, Satoru is there too when Maria's son dies but he may be some distance away. He is at least within shouting distance I say. It is a chaotic fight, not straightforward. Wish I had the book on me... will check again tonight. They go down with Inui and Kiroumaru.

After the kid dies Saki then thinks or at least writes, I did not kill. I did not kill. I did not kill. I am alive. Even with the Psycho Buster she was worried she would die of kishi but the first person narrative makes it less intense as you know she cannot die if she wrote the book. Would have been more exciting if it had been Satoru and you didn't know, if Saki did not know if he was dead or alive and they could have had Shun speak in Satoru's head too, they were lovers after all.


Kiroumaru is the one who kill the Akki right?


And... yeah, the book (and anime) are WAY TOO Saki-centric.

Satoru is ALSO THE MAIN character, not only Saki! And Shun loved him too, not only Saki, and Satoru loved him back, he deserve to at least see Shun like see does...

Also does Saki even show any caring for Satoru during the final battle?
Feb 28, 2013 8:54 AM

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They both show caring but I think Satoru shows more caring. He asks if she is OK a lot anyway.

I don't think Satoru saw Shun but as is common in Japanese novels they often write dialogue without indicating who is speaking so you can get confused about who is saying what exactly.

Saki is the narrator so of course it is mostly her story.
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They both show caring but I think Satoru shows more caring. He asks if she is OK a lot anyway.

Saki is the narrator so of course it is mostly her story.


But then again it is Kiroumaru that kills the Akki and Satoru that face Squealer.

So... what make Saki the main character again? :X
Feb 28, 2013 8:59 AM

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Narrator's prerogative...
Feb 28, 2013 9:03 AM
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Narrator's prerogative...


LOL, but if we're talking who's the most dominant character that would be Satoru...

Also it's too bad it sound like Kiroumaru doesn't get to see Squealer again because he sacrifice himself to kill the Akki...

And poor Inui also dies horribly... Too bad he was cool. Shinsekai Yori really love to kill all the characters that aren't Saki and Satoru...
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Yes, Shun tells her that Maria's son is not really an Akki.


What is he then? How did Yakomaru control him? Are the qeerats really non-psychic humans of ages past "evolved" into their current form by cantus using humans?
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Yes, Shun tells her that Maria's son is not really an Akki.


What is he then? How did Yakomaru control him? Are the qeerats really non-psychic humans of ages past "evolved" into their current form by cantus using humans?


Sadly he is just an unfortunate victim of Yakomaru, a cantus using child who he controls.

They are using mind control drugs is the short version. The novel spends many pages on it about the what, why and how of it.

And yes, it seems they were changed to be non human by cantus so they could be controlled and killed without kishi, the death of shame.
Mar 1, 2013 9:16 AM
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By the preview to episode 23 it sound like 12 year old Shun.

So Saki sees him as a 12 year old in her head?
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They are using mind control drugs is the short version. The novel spends many pages on it about the what, why and how of it.


I'm curious. How did they circumvent the death feedback?
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Didn't say 12yo Shun, said not a boys face IIRC.

Death feedback too can be controlled, suppressed with psychotropic drugs. As always, if I recall correctly. I will look for the exact passage again if I can...
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Didn't say 12yo Shun, said not a boys face IIRC.


Huh?!

I meant the VA for 12 year old Shun will be next episode and not the VA for the 14 year old Shun, so that's mean she'll see the 12 year old Shun in her head isn't it?
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She has a flashback to the fourth episode when 12 yo Shun asked questions of the library so that makes sense. The one in her head didn't say anything the first time she saw him. Just smiled.
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She has a flashback to the fourth episode when 12 yo Shun asked questions of the library so that makes sense. The one in her head didn't say anything the first time she saw him. Just smiled.


So they've added some original stuff because in the preview you can hear 12 year old Shun tell Saki "it's all right Saki, everything is going to be all right".

But does it say in the novel if she sees the 14 year old Shun or the 12 year old Shun in her head?
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hpulley said:
She has a flashback to the fourth episode when 12 yo Shun asked questions of the library so that makes sense. The one in her head didn't say anything the first time she saw him. Just smiled.


So they've added some original stuff because in the preview you can hear 12 year old Shun tell Saki "it's all right Saki, everything is going to be all right".

But does it say in the novel if she sees the 14 year old Shun or the 12 year old Shun in her head?

Doesn't give an age. Could be another time she sees him..And I can always miss stuff...
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@hpulley
I just have one small question
Did tomiko and the other adults know that the queerats are humans without pk?
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hpulley said:
deave112 said:
hpulley said:
She has a flashback to the fourth episode when 12 yo Shun asked questions of the library so that makes sense. The one in her head didn't say anything the first time she saw him. Just smiled.


So they've added some original stuff because in the preview you can hear 12 year old Shun tell Saki "it's all right Saki, everything is going to be all right".

But does it say in the novel if she sees the 14 year old Shun or the 12 year old Shun in her head?

Doesn't give an age. Could be another time she sees him..And I can always miss stuff...


I'm embarrassed to say I read "not the face of a boy" backwards, it was as we know instead "the boy without a face." Duh... What happens when you are excited and reading too quickly. Shun! Shun! Was so excited to see his name that I read that backwards.

But I see no mention of Shun's age when she sees him. I am trying to remember now if he wore the mask when he was 12 too or just when he was 14? We see him wearing the mark in episode 1 but it was a view of the future, I think.

Miyaa said:
@hpulley
I just have one small question
Did tomiko and the other adults know that the queerats are humans without pk?


It does not specify exactly if they knew.

Tomiko was in the ethics office so she may or may not have known.

The information was found in documents found in the species management office (Crunchyroll subs call it mutant management, I say species management is closer). Satoru found it, going through documents after the destruction and massacre as they were reorganizing things. A document stood out to him. He discusses it with Saki at great length. It reminds them of the unanswered question Shun asked the library in episode 4. It comes to the discussion that those with cantus changed those without cantus into bakenezumi. Talk of the death of shame follows, saying if those without cantus were animals, not human then... it would not be in effect. So I still don't know if the current people in the species management office knew this or if the document was so old that no one other than Satoru had read it in recent memory.
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hpulley said:
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hpulley said:
She has a flashback to the fourth episode when 12 yo Shun asked questions of the library so that makes sense. The one in her head didn't say anything the first time she saw him. Just smiled.


So they've added some original stuff because in the preview you can hear 12 year old Shun tell Saki "it's all right Saki, everything is going to be all right".

But does it say in the novel if she sees the 14 year old Shun or the 12 year old Shun in her head?

Doesn't give an age. Could be another time she sees him..And I can always miss stuff...


I'm embarrassed to say I read "not the face of a boy" backwards, it was as we know instead "the boy without a face." Duh... What happens when you are excited and reading too quickly. Shun! Shun! Was so excited to see his name that I read that backwards.

But I see no mention of Shun's age when she sees him. I am trying to remember now if he wore the mask when he was 12 too or just when he was 14? We see him wearing the mark in episode 1 but it was a view of the future, I think.


He wear the mask in Saki's head when she sees him?
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deave112 said:
hpulley said:
hpulley said:
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hpulley said:
She has a flashback to the fourth episode when 12 yo Shun asked questions of the library so that makes sense. The one in her head didn't say anything the first time she saw him. Just smiled.


So they've added some original stuff because in the preview you can hear 12 year old Shun tell Saki "it's all right Saki, everything is going to be all right".

But does it say in the novel if she sees the 14 year old Shun or the 12 year old Shun in her head?

Doesn't give an age. Could be another time she sees him..And I can always miss stuff...


I'm embarrassed to say I read "not the face of a boy" backwards, it was as we know instead "the boy without a face." Duh... What happens when you are excited and reading too quickly. Shun! Shun! Was so excited to see his name that I read that backwards.

But I see no mention of Shun's age when she sees him. I am trying to remember now if he wore the mask when he was 12 too or just when he was 14? We see him wearing the mark in episode 1 but it was a view of the future, I think.


He wear the mask in Saki's head when she sees him?


No it does not say he wears a mask then, she just refers to him as the faceless boy as he appeared that way when her memories of Shun were blocked by Tomiko. That made me think of the mask he wore, that's all. Will be fun to see how it is animated next week, or did it already show Shun in the preview? I haven't actually seen 22 yet...
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hpulley said:
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hpulley said:
hpulley said:
deave112 said:
hpulley said:
She has a flashback to the fourth episode when 12 yo Shun asked questions of the library so that makes sense. The one in her head didn't say anything the first time she saw him. Just smiled.


So they've added some original stuff because in the preview you can hear 12 year old Shun tell Saki "it's all right Saki, everything is going to be all right".

But does it say in the novel if she sees the 14 year old Shun or the 12 year old Shun in her head?

Doesn't give an age. Could be another time she sees him..And I can always miss stuff...


I'm embarrassed to say I read "not the face of a boy" backwards, it was as we know instead "the boy without a face." Duh... What happens when you are excited and reading too quickly. Shun! Shun! Was so excited to see his name that I read that backwards.

But I see no mention of Shun's age when she sees him. I am trying to remember now if he wore the mask when he was 12 too or just when he was 14? We see him wearing the mark in episode 1 but it was a view of the future, I think.


He wear the mask in Saki's head when she sees him?


or did it already show Shun in the preview? I haven't actually seen 22 yet...


No, we've just heard his voice in the preview.
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Just to make things clear, Shun isn't back from the dead.

It's not like he tell Saki something she can't know by herself.

It's more like... her subconscious created a split personality of her in the image of Shun to make Saki think better, and he does the 1 + 1 for her.
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hpulley said:


I heard the Akki's death supposed to be a very emotional scene, why is that?
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I heard the Akki's death supposed to be a very emotional scene, why is that?


Should be obvious: Who is he? Who's son is he? Who does he look like?

And they worry about whether or not it will work, if they will die too. Even using the Psycho Buster they worry about kishi and they worry about being killed by Akki.
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I heard the Akki's death supposed to be a very emotional scene, why is that?


Should be obvious: Who is he? Who's son is he? Who does he look like?

And they worry about whether or not it will work, if they will die too. Even using the Psycho Buster they worry about kishi and they worry about being killed by Akki.


But they already know his Maria's son so... What? Saki just cry over him after he dies because he's Maria's son? Doesn't sound that sad to me. Someone told me it's the saddest scene in the novel.

By the way, in the preview for episode 24 they make it look like Satoru is going to sacrifice himself to kill the Akki and Saki screams "No! Don't do it! Stop!"... Is it something original for the anime or it was like that in the novel or the preview just misleading us and she screams about something else?
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hpulley said:
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hpulley said:


I heard the Akki's death supposed to be a very emotional scene, why is that?


Should be obvious: Who is he? Who's son is he? Who does he look like?

And they worry about whether or not it will work, if they will die too. Even using the Psycho Buster they worry about kishi and they worry about being killed by Akki.


But they already know his Maria's son so... What? Saki just cry over him after he dies because he's Maria's son? Doesn't sound that sad to me. Someone told me it's the saddest scene in the novel.

By the way, in the preview for episode 24 they make it look like Satoru is going to sacrifice himself to kill the Akki and Saki screams "No! Don't do it! Stop!"... Is it something original for the anime or it was like that in the novel or the preview just misleading us and she screams about something else?


Saki thinks she may die or Satoru may die, that was emotional to me. More her thinking she will die.

Will have to look for a line exactly like that, can't remember but the whole thing is quite a long affair. They change their minds after Shun talks to Saki, or Saki talks to Saki as Shun depending on your opinion. I can't remember now if she yells at Satoru to stop when Shun tells her to run away from Akki.
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hpulley said:
deave112 said:
hpulley said:
deave112 said:
hpulley said:


I heard the Akki's death supposed to be a very emotional scene, why is that?


Should be obvious: Who is he? Who's son is he? Who does he look like?

And they worry about whether or not it will work, if they will die too. Even using the Psycho Buster they worry about kishi and they worry about being killed by Akki.


But they already know his Maria's son so... What? Saki just cry over him after he dies because he's Maria's son? Doesn't sound that sad to me. Someone told me it's the saddest scene in the novel.

By the way, in the preview for episode 24 they make it look like Satoru is going to sacrifice himself to kill the Akki and Saki screams "No! Don't do it! Stop!"... Is it something original for the anime or it was like that in the novel or the preview just misleading us and she screams about something else?


Saki thinks she may die or Satoru may die, that was emotional to me. More her thinking she will die.

Will have to look for a line exactly like that, can't remember but the whole thing is quite a long affair. They change their minds after Shun talks to Saki, or Saki talks to Saki as Shun depending on your opinion. I can't remember now if she yells at Satoru to stop when Shun tells her to run away from Akki.


So if I've got it right, in the preview for episode 24 Satoru tell Saki he'll use the weapon to kill the Akki, and because they don't know if it will kill Satoru as well she sees it as Satoru sacrificing himself and that's why she yells at him not to do it.

Now I know Satoru won't die and everything but it'll be nice to see Saki caring for Satoru and maybe finally tell him that she loves him (in the anime at least).


"I can't remember now if she yells at Satoru to stop when Shun tells her to run away from Akki."

Wait... in the preview Satoru holds the weapon, but you're telling me Saki will be the one who will use it (or try to use before realizing she doesn't have to because he's not really an Akki)?
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hpulley said:
deave112 said:
hpulley said:
deave112 said:
hpulley said:


I heard the Akki's death supposed to be a very emotional scene, why is that?


Should be obvious: Who is he? Who's son is he? Who does he look like?

And they worry about whether or not it will work, if they will die too. Even using the Psycho Buster they worry about kishi and they worry about being killed by Akki.


But they already know his Maria's son so... What? Saki just cry over him after he dies because he's Maria's son? Doesn't sound that sad to me. Someone told me it's the saddest scene in the novel.

By the way, in the preview for episode 24 they make it look like Satoru is going to sacrifice himself to kill the Akki and Saki screams "No! Don't do it! Stop!"... Is it something original for the anime or it was like that in the novel or the preview just misleading us and she screams about something else?


Saki thinks she may die or Satoru may die, that was emotional to me. More her thinking she will die.

Will have to look for a line exactly like that, can't remember but the whole thing is quite a long affair. They change their minds after Shun talks to Saki, or Saki talks to Saki as Shun depending on your opinion. I can't remember now if she yells at Satoru to stop when Shun tells her to run away from Akki.


By the way, Saki won't try to "turn" the Akki and speak to him right? Or would she?
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Tough when he speaks only queerat.
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Tough when he speaks only queerat.


So why does she yells at Satoru to stop and not use the weapon on him? And why Satoru is holding the weapon? Will Saki hold him later herself after Satoru will fail or something?

And why Satoru is saying they've been played with? (Will Kiroumaru betray them? But doesn't he going to kill the "Akki" at the end?)
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Kiroumaru Betrays them? or is he faken the betrayal to take de akki to hell?
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They may be in the novel some clarification about the death of Maria and Mamoru?

How were defeated and imprisoned?
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