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| No matter how many times I see this fight, Touma's humongous plot armor takes away a lot from the enjoyment. Well, things should be wrapped up in the next episode and I hope the last few episodes won't feature him. 3/5. I have to praise the OST though, some excellent music under the scenes. |
Mogami-kun said: No matter how many times I see this fight, Touma's humongous plot armor takes away a lot from the enjoyment. Well, things should be wrapped up in the next episode and I hope the last few episodes won't feature him. 3/5. I have to praise the OST though, some excellent music under the scenes. Those that have read past the Aqua of the Back arc AND the Ichihanaransai arc know. |
| This might be irrelevant, but I just thought that Himegami shouldn't have been made as a character, unless she is going to ntroduce a vampire loli later on... Thats pretty much the only reason she could possibly be useful to me. |
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GodlyKyon said: This might be irrelevant, but I just thought that Himegami shouldn't have been made as a character, unless she is going to ntroduce a vampire loli later on... Thats pretty much the only reason she could possibly be useful to me. Its isnt just irrelevant,it is 10000% off topic. The whole Deep Blood arc was there for foreshadowing |
| So, we have the MC who was EASILY defeated by the supposed STRONGEST character in this world. Said MC, is now lying in a pool of his blood, presumably quickly dying. Thankfully Mikoto with the help of the Sisters have at least prevented Accelerator from unleashing one serious attack on them. Cool. Now, if the MC really has no hax powers, he shouldn't be able to stand, much less defeat the STRONGEST of the strongest, next episode....correct? Because I'm pretty sure that my logic is sound on this one. |
JustALEX said: So, we have the MC who was EASILY defeated by the supposed STRONGEST character in this world. Said MC, is now lying in a pool of his blood, presumably quickly dying. Thankfully Mikoto with the help of the Sisters have at least prevented Accelerator from unleashing one serious attack on them. Cool. Now, if the MC really has no hax powers, he shouldn't be able to stand, much less defeat the STRONGEST of the strongest, next episode....correct? Because I'm pretty sure that my logic is sound on this one. No your logic isnt sound. It's like calling Accel's powers hax because the STRONGEST Electromaster who also has hax powers and is the MC of the show cant touch him. If everyone has hax powers then nobody has. |
JustALEX said: So, we have the MC who was EASILY defeated by the supposed STRONGEST character in this world. Said MC, is now lying in a pool of his blood, presumably quickly dying. Thankfully Mikoto with the help of the Sisters have at least prevented Accelerator from unleashing one serious attack on them. Cool. Now, if the MC really has no hax powers, he shouldn't be able to stand, much less defeat the STRONGEST of the strongest, next episode....correct? Because I'm pretty sure that my logic is sound on this one. Emphasis on supposed. By this same logic, Tsuchimikado is also hax given how easily he was able to beat Touma. Part of the charm of the Raildex-verse is that characters cannot win by simply over-powering their enemies. |
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ssjokg said: No your logic isnt sound. It's like calling Accel's powers hax because the STRONGEST Electromaster who also has hax powers and is the MC of the show cant touch him. If everyone has hax powers then nobody has. A human dying in a pool of his own blood is somehow going to defeat one of the strongest persons in the world he resides. Ok. Give it up man, it's not like I don't like touma because he has hax powers. I dislike the way they present him. |
JustALEX said: ssjokg said: No your logic isnt sound. It's like calling Accel's powers hax because the STRONGEST Electromaster who also has hax powers and is the MC of the show cant touch him. If everyone has hax powers then nobody has. A human dying in a pool of his own blood is somehow going to defeat one of the strongest persons in the world he resides. Ok. Give it up man, it's not like I don't like touma because he has hax powers. I dislike the way they present him. You forget how he beats him,which is one of the points of the fight and arc. Blood pool and hax powers....What do you have to say about Okabe Rintarou? Because if we go by that logic every char that found himself in a blood pool should actually die not just Touma.This includes several chars in Raildex both good and evil. And unlike Okabe since I brought him up,Touma actually has a reason to get up move and fight(see end of Deep Blood arc in Index I) |
| If Touma doesnt have plot armor.. then what do you call it when a character survives crashing into a pole at high speed, falling from like 30 meters and then bleeding for 15 minutes without any treatment? |
Darkmousy0198 said: If Touma doesnt have plot armor.. then what do you call it when a character survives crashing into a pole at high speed, falling from like 30 meters and then bleeding for 15 minutes without any treatment? Super durable. Trust me, he goes through worse in Index. This is nothing compared to that. |
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CreationBreaker said: Darkmousy0198 said: If Touma doesnt have plot armor.. then what do you call it when a character survives crashing into a pole at high speed, falling from like 30 meters and then bleeding for 15 minutes without any treatment? Super durable. Trust me, he goes through worse in Index. This is nothing compared to that. Isnt that just a nice way of saying plot armor? That would mean that no character ever had plot armor and they were all just "super durable". |
Darkmousy0198 said: If Touma doesnt have plot armor.. then what do you call it when a character survives crashing into a pole at high speed, falling from like 30 meters and then bleeding for 15 minutes without any treatment? I call his actual powers are at work.Just like Accel didnt Again, if every char has plot armor and hax powers then nobody has. Before saying anything about Touma's power you guys should first learn about it. And about every other char's abilities as well and then see how "haxed" they are too. |
ssjokgJul 22, 2013 4:18 PM
ssjokg said: Darkmousy0198 said: If Touma doesnt have plot armor.. then what do you call it when a character survives crashing into a pole at high speed, falling from like 30 meters and then bleeding for 15 minutes without any treatment? I call his actual powers are at work.Just like Accel didnt Again, if every char has plot armor and hax powers then nobody has. Ok... yeah you re right, i admit i was focusing too much on Touma and forgot that a lot of characters in this series survive things that they shouldnt. :D |
Darkmousy0198 said: ssjokg said: Darkmousy0198 said: If Touma doesnt have plot armor.. then what do you call it when a character survives crashing into a pole at high speed, falling from like 30 meters and then bleeding for 15 minutes without any treatment? I call his actual powers are at work.Just like Accel didnt Again, if every char has plot armor and hax powers then nobody has. Ok... yeah you re right, i admit i was focusing too much on Touma and forgot that a lot of characters in this series survive things that they shouldnt. :D A lot=Everyone except two In the first series at least. I dont count the Sisters. |
| You just broke one of my illusions(!) about Touma. Pity i still cant like him as a character. |
Darkmousy0198 said: That's another thing.You just broke one of my illusions(!) about Touma. Pity i still cant like him as a character. |
ssjokg said: Darkmousy0198 said: That's another thing.You just broke one of my illusions(!) about Touma. Pity i still cant like him as a character. At least i can enjoy his fight now tho, thats a start. |
| Tbh I just wanna move on from this arc :/ |
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-Sakuya- said: Tbh I just wanna move on from this arc :/ It's almost over. Just one more episode left in this arc. |
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Goldzero said: i know this isn't the right place to discuss this but i read somewhere that railgun S is selling less then the first season of rialgun(though im not even sure if there even selling the DVDs yet) is this true? I find it hard to believe considering that Railgun S has both what Railgun and Index fans want without excessive moe-mo.....fuck.....If there are people that didnt buy this because it isnt moe & sol enough then I pray that all of their bds,dvd,cd,figures and anything else they collected to be fucking burned. |
Yause said: ssjokg said: Goldzero said: i know this isn't the right place to discuss this but i read somewhere that railgun S is selling less then the first season of rialgun(though im not even sure if there even selling the DVDs yet) is this true? I find it hard to believe considering that Railgun S has both what Railgun and Index fans want without excessive moe-mo.....fuck.....If there are people that didnt buy this because it isnt moe & sol enough then I pray that all of their bds,dvd,cd,figures and anything else they collected to be fucking burned. Sales figures won't be available until next week, but pre-order estimates are way down when compared to the first season. In fact, they're more in line with the Index series than Railgun, which suggests that the laid back style drove sales (which nearly doubled that of Index S1) the first time around. Railgun S has generated way more buzz on western blogs and message boards than among Japanese netizens. I meant anything they have collected so far and not just form Railgun. Well fuck...What else can I say? |
Darkmousy0198 said: it's almost as if there's some Heaven Canceller in academy city.If Touma doesnt have plot armor.. then what do you call it when a character survives crashing into a pole at high speed, falling from like 30 meters and then bleeding for 15 minutes without any treatment? ... oh wait. |
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stormofshadow said: Darkmousy0198 said: it's almost as if there's some Heaven Canceller in academy city.If Touma doesnt have plot armor.. then what do you call it when a character survives crashing into a pole at high speed, falling from like 30 meters and then bleeding for 15 minutes without any treatment? ... oh wait. My point WAS that Touma survived impact and fall which normal people cant survive. But I already got my answer to that question. As ssjokg put it "If every character has plot armor and hax power than nobody has". |
Darkmousy0198Jul 23, 2013 2:01 PM
Darkmousy0198 said: i totally agree with that. i mean, i've accepted accelerator's rather ridiculous power on top all of the other uber characters, so i don't find touma's feats so unbelievable. it's really a moot point.As ssjokg put it "If every character has plot armor and hax power than nobody has". i felt Heaven Canceller was worth mentioning because i can imagine someone being able to push their body harder if they know he's in the same city. it's no secret that touma's quite the dead man without him. touma haters can always keep that in mind if it makes them feel better. |
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| Its kind of ridiculous how much Touma ends up in the hospital. Heaven Canceller though, is the whole reason why the series started... Without him, there would be no academy city. Touma needs a hospital membership card. |
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GodlyKyon said: Its kind of ridiculous how much Touma ends up in the hospital. Heaven Canceller though, is the whole reason why the series started... Without him, there would be no academy city. Touma needs a hospital membership card. Wouldnt that cost much?Fukou da. |
ssjokg said: GodlyKyon said: Its kind of ridiculous how much Touma ends up in the hospital. Heaven Canceller though, is the whole reason why the series started... Without him, there would be no academy city. Touma needs a hospital membership card. Wouldnt that cost much?Fukou da. When I say "membership", I meant a card that would reduce the cost cause he's such a frequent customer, lol BUT! As far as in volume 16 at least, he got used how many times? IDK, but it is really, really unfair that he does not get paid AT ALL for all the shit he's going through. |
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GodlyKyon said: ssjokg said: GodlyKyon said: Its kind of ridiculous how much Touma ends up in the hospital. Heaven Canceller though, is the whole reason why the series started... Without him, there would be no academy city. Touma needs a hospital membership card. Wouldnt that cost much?Fukou da. When I say "membership", I meant a card that would reduce the cost cause he's such a frequent customer, lol BUT! As far as in volume 16 at least, he got used how many times? IDK, but it is really, really unfair that he does not get paid AT ALL for all the shit he's going through. Weirdly enough, Volume 16 is his last visit to the hospital for about another month or 10 Volumes. |
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GodlyKyon said: ssjokg said: GodlyKyon said: Its kind of ridiculous how much Touma ends up in the hospital. Heaven Canceller though, is the whole reason why the series started... Without him, there would be no academy city. Touma needs a hospital membership card. Wouldnt that cost much?Fukou da. When I say "membership", I meant a card that would reduce the cost cause he's such a frequent customer, lol BUT! As far as in volume 16 at least, he got used how many times? IDK, but it is really, really unfair that he does not get paid AT ALL for all the shit he's going through. |
GodlyKyon said: Its kind of ridiculous how much Touma ends up in the hospital. Heaven Canceller though, is the whole reason why the series started... Without him, there would be no academy city. Touma needs a hospital membership card. It's Japan, they have free health insurance like most of the modern world I'm pretty sure. Especially in a situation where a place is a bunch of children with crazy powers. |
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-Sakuya- said: Tbh I just wanna move on from this arc :/ I have a feeling the rating will go down after this arc ends Antvg said: Am i the only one who thinks that battle scene(and probably every other battle scene in the season) was kinda meh? All previous seasons had amazing BGM that made fight really intense, the made me shiver. But this season they practically have no BGM at all and that makes fight rather boring. I agree, Railgun S is almost perfect but the bgm is knda meh during the fights compared to the awesome Index soundtrack. |
ssjokg said: ezodagrom said: It's still dumb,bad and god damn annoying with no real reason to exist.Even Accelerators kekeke laugh has been revamped. :D From http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-zGnLZY7BI to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jgI5QVgeV4 Someone on other forum said that Accelerator was using sound waves to start forming the plasma, i dunno if thats true but its better reason then "he did it just because". |
Darkmousy0198 said: ssjokg said: ezodagrom said: It's still dumb,bad and god damn annoying with no real reason to exist.Even Accelerators kekeke laugh has been revamped. :D From http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-zGnLZY7BI to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jgI5QVgeV4 Someone on other forum said that Accelerator was using sound waves to start forming the plasma, i dunno if thats true but its better reason then "he did it just because". It's never stated that he used anything else than his vector manipulation to compress the the wind at high speeds. |
TallonKarrde23 said: GodlyKyon said: Its kind of ridiculous how much Touma ends up in the hospital. Heaven Canceller though, is the whole reason why the series started... Without him, there would be no academy city. Touma needs a hospital membership card. It's Japan, they have free health insurance like most of the modern world I'm pretty sure. Especially in a situation where a place is a bunch of children with crazy powers. Ah, okay, that makes more sense, or else he would've been in trench-deep debt by now. ssjokg said: GodlyKyon said: ssjokg said: GodlyKyon said: Its kind of ridiculous how much Touma ends up in the hospital. Heaven Canceller though, is the whole reason why the series started... Without him, there would be no academy city. Touma needs a hospital membership card. Wouldnt that cost much?Fukou da. When I say "membership", I meant a card that would reduce the cost cause he's such a frequent customer, lol BUT! As far as in volume 16 at least, he got used how many times? IDK, but it is really, really unfair that he does not get paid AT ALL for all the shit he's going through. That's just hilarious, he should have had trillions of dollars by now.. Darkmousy0198 said: ssjokg said: ezodagrom said: It's still dumb,bad and god damn annoying with no real reason to exist.Even Accelerators kekeke laugh has been revamped. :D From http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-zGnLZY7BI to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jgI5QVgeV4 Someone on other forum said that Accelerator was using sound waves to start forming the plasma, i dunno if thats true but its better reason then "he did it just because". Maybe its like the time where he hijacked Last Order? Last Order was spouting out a bunch of nonsense too... I actually laughed when he did that, he screams like a fucking monkey. That part should have been taken out, it made me laugh in a REALLY intense scene. |
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SuperImpact said: -Sakuya- said: Tbh I just wanna move on from this arc :/ I have a feeling the rating will go down after this arc ends. I doubt that. Railgun season 1 is the leading most popular series in the entire Railgun/Index franchise based on sales and polls (plus it even brought in a shit ton more fans to Index), and the second highest selling JC Staff series ever in the history of the company. Once this arc ends it will be more like Railgun season 1, which will, if anything, make it much more popular again and also hike up the preorders for later volumes. That is, as long as those people notice the change in pace back to season 1 style. It certainly won't make the rating go down when that change is what a pretty massive number of Railgun fans want. This change to such a dark, heavy, and somewhat actiony arc actually lowered the ratings and sales (which people were literally just talking about). The lack of the other 3 girls certainly didn't help either. Biribiri might have the same status is big celebrities there in terms of popularity and how much you'll see her just about anywhere in Japan, but she's not the only draw to the Railgun series for many fans. I've loved the fuck out of S, it's something I can easily say is one of the best things I've seen in years and that episode 14 is one of the best episodes I've seen in anime overall. So don't try attacking my tastes on this one, anyone. Based on how incredibly well Railgun 1 did compared to Index and this season it's pretty clear that style of writing and pacing is better for ratings and sales, so saying they will drop by going back to that after it dropped from NOT doing that is just kind of silly to believe. I mean it factually did better by being in that style it's returning to once this arc ends - that style and pacing that did so much better than this season lacking it has done so far - so I just don't see any way you could reason out believing the ratings will drop when it returns to the formula that made it the second most successful JC Staff anime series in the entire history of the company (and one of the most successful anime in the history of the medium in general as well, not just limited to JC Staff). You make an amazing product that is one of the highest selling and most popular things ever to be in the industry your product is in - and then you make something pretty drastically different and that factually does less well, pretty clearly because of that big change - and then you go back to how it was originally...and you think it'll do worse? That defies common sense, business sense, and basic logic. |
TallonKarrde23Jul 25, 2013 2:50 AM
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GodlyKyon said: His(and anyone else's) brain is nothing like Last Order's or the other clones.Maybe its like the time where he hijacked Last Order? Last Order was spouting out a bunch of nonsense too... I actually laughed when he did that, he screams like a fucking monkey. That part should have been taken out, it made me laugh in a REALLY intense scene. @Tallon Dont you think it is a pity that(as you said)S although the best thing in years has(or is supposed to have."Read somewhere" from Goldzero isnt exactly a reliable source,and since it was 1 day before the sales started I guess he meant the pre-orders)sold less? The rating,at least in MAL, is way higher for S. |
ssjokg said: @Tallon Dont you think it is a pity that(as you said)S although the best thing in years has(or is supposed to have."Read somewhere" from Goldzero isnt exactly a reliable source,and since it was 1 day before the sales started I guess he meant the pre-orders)sold less? The rating,at least in MAL, is way higher for S. Yeah, and I don't see why that should be the case if it's true, so I'm hoping it's not. Railgun S is fucking incredible, the directing, writing, cinematography, animation, and every seiyuu's execution of their characters is some of the best in the medium. If it's true or not, I find it hard to believe something of this level would be overlooked, especially by already solid fans of the series. But like you said, it's not really reliable right now, so we'll see. I have a feeling it'll do at least close to as good as Railgun did, there's no way it's only on par with Index (not to say Index is bad, just talking sales numbers here) when it's this damn good. And if it does end up that way, as much as I just explained out how, I really don't get how it'd do that poorly when it is the quality that it is. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: ssjokg said: @Tallon Dont you think it is a pity that(as you said)S although the best thing in years has(or is supposed to have."Read somewhere" from Goldzero isnt exactly a reliable source,and since it was 1 day before the sales started I guess he meant the pre-orders)sold less? The rating,at least in MAL, is way higher for S. Yeah, and I don't see why that should be the case if it's true, so I'm hoping it's not. Railgun S is fucking incredible, the directing, writing, cinematography, animation, and every seiyuu's execution of their characters is some of the best in the medium. If it's true or not, I find it hard to believe something of this level would be overlooked, especially by already solid fans of the series. But like you said, it's not really reliable right now, so we'll see. I have a feeling it'll do at least close to as good as Railgun did, there's no way it's only on par with Index (not to say Index is bad, just talking sales numbers here) when it's this damn good. I dont think that it will do bad.It just seems weird to me that it is rumored to sell less(even for a copy) that the previous season when it is better than season 1.Unlike other series(lets say Bakemonogatari vs Nisemonogatari,cant think of something else now)the opinions on S arent clashing that much.They barely clash I have to say. Lets hope that some fans(Railgun fans,Index fans,Raildex fans) just forgot to pre order them.What else can I say? |
ssjokgJul 25, 2013 3:16 AM
If we're talking about pre-order estimations, this is how Stalker has it: Which is definitely not bad at all and actually similar to the first season's actual sales for the first BD volume as well: dtshyk said: (from here)*2, 13,814 13,814 Toaru Kagaku no Railgun vol.1 Limited Edition (a quick check tells me the later volumes didn't sell much more in the first week) One could argue it should be doing better considering Tallon is right in saying the Railgun anime brought more fans to the series and S is doing a way better job to please those who were wishing for a more faithful adaptation, not to mention it has been great when it comes to directing, soundtrack, voice acting... well, all that, I'm just going to repeat what several people have already said here. However, the pre-orders are not the actual sales and them being this close to the first season's actual sales sounds like a good number to me. Let's wait to see how it actually goes. |
hontobakaJul 25, 2013 4:32 AM
| Does anyone have full data on the sales numbers for Railgun's first season in general? Also, shouldn't we just create a separate thread for talking about sales numbers instead of talking about it in the Episode 15 discussion thread? |
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CreationBreaker said: Does anyone have full data on the sales numbers for Railgun's first season in general? Key: Volume number / 1st week sales / 2nd week sales / Cumulative sales / Release date / Total combined sales Average: 24,494 BD+DVD per volume (30th best selling TV anime since 2000) ○とある科学の超電磁砲 【全8巻】 巻数 初動 2週計 累計 発売日 BD(DVD) BD(DVD) BD(DVD) 01巻 13,814(*6,523) 15,540(*7,910) 18,976(**,***) 10.01.29 ※合計 26,886枚 02巻 12,681(*5,702) 15,545(*7,483) 17,740(*7,912) 10.02.26 ※合計 25,652枚 03巻 13,586(*5,922) 15,384(*7,201) 16,856(**,***) 10.03.26 ※合計 24,057枚 04巻 14,737(*6,495) 15,944(*7,403) 16,937(**,***) 10.04.28 ※合計 24,340枚 05巻 14,690(*6,091) 16,186(*7,170) 16,868(*7,535) 10.05.28 ※合計 24,403枚 06巻 14,562(*5,468) 16,417(*6,842) 17,072(*7,182) 10.06.25 ※合計 24,254枚 07巻 14,771(*5,665) 16,220(**,***) 16,653(**,***) 10.07.30 ※合計 22,318枚 08巻 14,116(*5,609) 16,627(*7,014) 17,033(**,***) 10.08.27 ※合計 24,047枚 CreationBreaker said: Also, shouldn't we just create a separate thread for talking about sales numbers instead of talking about it in the Episode 15 discussion thread? You can use this thread to talk about sales numbers in general in Japan: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=636219 |
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| o.o... So when Touma said, "get away from Misaka's little sister this instant!" with scary eyes I got goosebumps and was like fuck yeah!...anyone else get that? lol =3 Tbh I've grown super attached to the Misaka clones as well. =< I'm so sad when one of them gets killed. =< The little black kitty helps humanize them as well. >.< Kitty so cute! Touma's so badass when he gets mad. =P |
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