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Jan 25, 2009 5:21 AM
#151
Man, this show is much more awesome now that the trivial stuff has been dropped in favor of more serious character development. |
Jan 25, 2009 7:28 AM
#152
Wow, really has happened a lot this episode, don't even know where to start about that. ^^; Anyways, great episode, 5/5. This show is also starting to get just better .. Used to rank this show a 6, and raised it to a 7 later on. With this episode, I'll even be raising it to an 8. x) |
Jan 25, 2009 8:34 AM
#153
Volbla said: Blaah! Toradora's becoming too serious for me. I hate when comedies do that. Make me laugh or make me cry, but at least make up your mind. Yeah...I know what you mean. However, another poster on another board I was chatting with said something interesting in regards to that....rather long and detailed debates actually. In any event,he said it was, "moving and pathos-invoking" , all I could think was there were no truer words spoken. So for those who say it's lighthearted...sure it is. But there are deeper meanings in the story than most animes who run on the light hearted bandwagon. I don't even want to know about the emotional rollercoaster that is going to happen in the next 9 eps. I totally agree that there is a massive serious pull and the comedy aspect could lose itself at times and vice versa. |
Jan 25, 2009 9:00 AM
#154
Jan 25, 2009 10:35 AM
#155
Jan 25, 2009 11:02 AM
#156
vaberella said: Volbla said: Blaah! Toradora's becoming too serious for me. I hate when comedies do that. Make me laugh or make me cry, but at least make up your mind. Yeah...I know what you mean. However, another poster on another board I was chatting with said something interesting in regards to that....rather long and detailed debates actually. In any event,he said it was, "moving and pathos-invoking" , all I could think was there were no truer words spoken. So for those who say it's lighthearted...sure it is. But there are deeper meanings in the story than most animes who run on the light hearted bandwagon. I don't even want to know about the emotional rollercoaster that is going to happen in the next 9 eps. I totally agree that there is a massive serious pull and the comedy aspect could lose itself at times and vice versa. Well, it's not like i dislike some serious love stuff, and the ep wasn't really bad in itself, but i have a hard time accepting it when series take drastic turns like this. Up till a few episodes ago Toradora was almost nothing but comedy so i never expected anything this serious, and when i don't get what i expect i get cranky :P |
Jan 25, 2009 12:17 PM
#157
Volbla said: vaberella said: Volbla said: Blaah! Toradora's becoming too serious for me. I hate when comedies do that. Make me laugh or make me cry, but at least make up your mind. Yeah...I know what you mean. However, another poster on another board I was chatting with said something interesting in regards to that....rather long and detailed debates actually. In any event,he said it was, "moving and pathos-invoking" , all I could think was there were no truer words spoken. So for those who say it's lighthearted...sure it is. But there are deeper meanings in the story than most animes who run on the light hearted bandwagon. I don't even want to know about the emotional rollercoaster that is going to happen in the next 9 eps. I totally agree that there is a massive serious pull and the comedy aspect could lose itself at times and vice versa. Well, it's not like i dislike some serious love stuff, and the ep wasn't really bad in itself, but i have a hard time accepting it when series take drastic turns like this. Up till a few episodes ago Toradora was almost nothing but comedy so i never expected anything this serious, and when i don't get what i expect i get cranky :P LOL!! Understood. I can't blame you because I noticed it as well. This episode was extremely heavy in comparison to others. I figured the Beach House or the Taiga dad eps was heavy but nothing really to this one. Not to mention those two other eps had enough comedy to balance it out. This one was far from any comedy and just angst to the extreme. It's like Dawson's Creek with an exponent. ^_^ |
Jan 25, 2009 12:22 PM
#158
Can someone repost all the spoilers in a spoiler thing so I can read em? I'm too lazy too go back and find em >_> I'd REALLY appreciate it. |
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Jan 25, 2009 1:37 PM
#159
Nothing more can be said about this episode it is truly amazing this is how anime should be done to me toradora is in a league that only few anime get to see it is truly wonderful |
Jan 25, 2009 3:26 PM
#160
Finally... *gasp*.... reached the end... *fast breathing*.... of this thread *deep sigh*. :) So far there are 9 (NINE) pages of discussions, views, anger, love and true passion for the animated people and their relations in this show. 182 viewers gave this episode the best score available so far..... and I can not agree more. That all stands for itself. Folks, I am happy to experience this clearly outstanding anime with all of you! I was at the edge of my seat the whole time... I even stood up when Kitamura was confessing to...whats her name.... "Amis Twinsister" (You know who I mean). :P And at the end something even flew into my eye (...NO, I didnt cry. It must have been a bug or moskito!). T.T vaberella said: I think we can surmise one thing. When it comes to understanding Minorin, none of us have a clue. None of us know what her guilt was except for Ami. And based on Minorin's reaction Ami was right. I guess we have to wait for episode 17 to really find out the truth. *sigh*... I guess he is right. I thought I would have grasp her intentions. But right now Im lost again.... dmneyeskyo said: Best anime I've watched since Spice & Wolf. QFAUT!! (Quote For Absolute Undeniable Truth) DeathfireD said: ... Theres the other possibility that Ami said it because Minorin continued to encourage Taiga to go for Kitamura even though she might have already known that Kitamura liked the president. Now that Kitamura confessed Minorin probably feels guilty for not telling Taiga....Ami makes that comment basically to say it's done and over with, theres nothing left for you to feel guilty about. That crossed my mind as well, but.... STOP.... I told myself to not discuss about (my beloved) Minorin anymore. In addition to that its half past midnight right now. I have to work tomorrow. :P Have a good night! ^^ |
FTGTJan 26, 2009 2:04 PM
Jan 25, 2009 4:00 PM
#161
This episode was GREAT, dude. Saw that coming with Kitamura! Taiga is a great friend. :) And her letter to Kanou was amazing. Verycute. Ahh~, great series! |
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Jan 25, 2009 7:03 PM
#162
Lame episode! First half useless! Are japanese people really like that? We want YOU to be president so just BE IT! the confession was ok but the reply sucked Kanou sucks << this is the problem the fight was badly animated with a bad image of Taiga << violence for nothing, yeah thats win... when Kanou cries is the ONLY good moment of this episode with the "astronaut" sentence and the end with Ami and Minorin... killed the episode we want GENKI minorin not that |
Jan 25, 2009 9:09 PM
#163
dudave said: "After the fight Amin and her friends discover Taiga’s notebook with the picture of her and Yuusaku in it. Minori sees this - realizing that Taiga likes Yuusaku - and there’s another picture under that one, but Ami takes the book before anyone can see it. Ami then suggests that Minori’s guilt should be gone now" Remember the last ep? Minorin slowly realizes her feelings for Ryuuji... BUT: She thinks Ryuuji and Taiga make the perfect couple and although Taiga denied it, Minorin thought she is in love with him. The guilty feeling Amin is talking about, are the fakt that she has started to love Ryuuji, but doesnt want to steal him from Taiga. Therefore she called herself dishonest an disguisting? Now she gets to know that Taiga actually was in love with Kitamura, so now she is free to love Ryuuji with no guilt! I don't think Amin wanted to torment Minorin, but i thought Amin didn't want to support Minorin but Taiga, cause she always pointed to Ryuuji that Minorin isn't the right one for him. Whatever.. The resolution of this arc was pretty obvious and it was so clear that Kitamura was in love with Sumire. I liked the fight and the outcome with Sumire confessing to. Next Episode seems a little bit relaxing and a little distant from drama content, before the mainstory progresses to the TaigaXMinorinXRyuuji Triangle, that is obviously happening in the future, because, although Taiga didn't realize herself yet, she has begun to grow romantic feelings for Ryuuji too. I hope this series doesn't go the 0815 route with a TaigaXRyuuji paring at the end. ;) Also im very interestet what Amins part will become.. Priviously my thoughts were, that she also secretly is in love with Kitamura, but her reactions this episode prove me wrong. I agree with your notion, especially because when they (Ryuu and Minorin) make up and she is talking to Ryuu, she realizes and says out loud, "Oh I am talking normal again" that kinda hinted a show of feelings toward Ryuu plus that phrase seemed like it was like a soliloquy to the audience. And Yes! I also hope that they dont take the cliche route lol cuz i really am in support for a RyuuxMinorin pairing (by the all that was my view of what i saw, if you disagree please feel free to do so =P) |
Jan 25, 2009 9:39 PM
#164
id said: I don't get it, what guilt (Minorin) is Ami talking about? Is it the guilt from secretly liking Kitamura but cheered Taiga on? Anyway, I don't think i need to say more, this episode is just great. 6/5 I'm quite slow at times like these... but ya, that exchange was of guilt-&-jealousy-related stuff, probably. This love system is quite complex, since Minorin and Ami are a little hard to read. Taiga obviously likes Ryuuji deep down, but Minorin?? <...> Ami appears to like him, but I'm not too sure if it really is serious or not. I never thought, way back in the very early episodes, that this anime had great drama climaxes like these of late. I so enjoy drama~ The creator of the novel truly did a marvelous job at creating an interesting, and strong female lead, such as Taiga. The fight she had with the president was emotional, so I really enjoyed it too. By the way, why use the typical "blonde" stereo-type for an american girl after the credits? lol xD PS: Holy crap! Just NOW I find out Minorin's played by Yui Horie! I didn't notice that till now ^^ |
Jan 25, 2009 11:06 PM
#165
If the novels are as good as this then I can't wait for all of them to be translated. This has been a real treat to watch although the fight in the classroom was way overdone. It'll be interesting to see how the relationships go from here but it's seeming more likely that they are going to go for an open ending or Ryuuji and Minorin(just because Taiga really hasn't seen Ryuuji in a romantic light). It'll be interesting to see Minorin make a power play for Ryuuji and how he responds to it. Anyway I really want to read all the light novels. Here is to hoping both the anime and the novels are licensed for the US. |
Jan 26, 2009 6:59 AM
#166
Jarmel said: If the novels are as good as this then I can't wait for all of them to be translated. This has been a real treat to watch although the fight in the classroom was way overdone. It'll be interesting to see how the relationships go from here but it's seeming more likely that they are going to go for an open ending or Ryuuji and Minorin(just because Taiga really hasn't seen Ryuuji in a romantic light). It'll be interesting to see Minorin make a power play for Ryuuji and how he responds to it. Anyway I really want to read all the light novels. Here is to hoping both the anime and the novels are licensed for the US. I'm currently reading them and I mean I've just read until they were introduced (volume 1 chapter 4--->There are over 7 volumes and tons of chapters) and they are superior to the manga or anime. Seriously, it leaves them in the dust and makes them look stupid. Ryuuji's character is amazing. If you didn't like him or weren't sure about him or thought he was sort of a wuss (as I at times felt). In the novel he became my favorite character and the story is all about him. He's the main character and everything else is around him. It's so cool to read. I'd be happy with novels alone. Because of the novels I felt this story was worth live action notice. |
Jan 26, 2009 10:37 AM
#167
vaberella said: I'm currently reading them and I mean I've just read until they were introduced (volume 1 chapter 4--->There are over 7 volumes and tons of chapters) and they are superior to the manga or anime. Seriously, it leaves them in the dust and makes them look stupid. Ryuuji's character is amazing. If you didn't like him or weren't sure about him or thought he was sort of a wuss (as I at times felt). In the novel he became my favorite character and the story is all about him. He's the main character and everything else is around him. It's so cool to read. I'd be happy with novels alone. But when the story is all about Ryuuji and he is the center of all commotion, isnt it like all the other harem/comedy storys? I found it very refreshing that the main character in this anime "backs off" for a few episodes in order to let other characters tell their storys. Hey folks, I need your help. Can someone translate what is written on this poster and why this cute girl has to faint without a guy coming to catch her. |
FTGTJan 26, 2009 10:45 AM
Jan 26, 2009 10:54 AM
#168
FTGT said: vaberella said: I'm currently reading them and I mean I've just read until they were introduced (volume 1 chapter 4--->There are over 7 volumes and tons of chapters) and they are superior to the manga or anime. Seriously, it leaves them in the dust and makes them look stupid. Ryuuji's character is amazing. If you didn't like him or weren't sure about him or thought he was sort of a wuss (as I at times felt). In the novel he became my favorite character and the story is all about him. He's the main character and everything else is around him. It's so cool to read. I'd be happy with novels alone. But when the story is all about Ryuuji and he is the center of all commotion, isnt it like all the other harem/comedy storys? I found it very refreshing that the main character in this anime "backs off" for a few episodes in order to let other characters tell their storys. Did you read my post carefully? I said I've only gotten to Chapter 4 (that doesn't mean I've read chapter 4) of the First Volume which is possibly the middle/end of the first episode. I haven't read the whole thing to certify anything that is harem-like. Ami hasn't shown up yet, Kitamura said 1 line and Minorin just said 3. So no...nothing yet on that. However, my reference is for what I said where you're reading in the perspective of Ryuuji so you're getting Ryuuji's input. And he's different from the anime version from what I can see, ditto from what I've read of the manga which is chapter 13 of Volume which I've said in the past. So I'm no where and there are a lot of volumes. So as of right now...No, it's not harem and far from it. Further more for a story to be told in the perspective of one character doesn't diminish the entire story. If you pay careful attention to the anime it's already shown in Ryuuji's perspective and I don't find it harem like at all considering all the women were initially connected to Kitamura (and if there was a harem he would be in charge of it). |
Jan 26, 2009 12:10 PM
#169
'Lost my pieces', both the strings and piano version, fits so well in the somber scenes. It really draws out the emotion, and it has a nice melody. I think they did a good job there. Regardless of what's exactly happening (since there seems to be a lot of discussion), hopefully it will be settled out in the episodes to come. One thing i can so though, is that it's pretty interesting. |
Jan 26, 2009 12:12 PM
#170
EPIC. Will edit after I've calmed down. Edit: OK, so after calming down and reading the whole 9 pages (which is actually an accomplishment - not many episodes go past 5 or 6,) I agree with the rumor that Kushieda likes Ryuuji. And Ami seems to know everything, I'd like to know how. So far, I can see Kitamura going to Amerika after he graduates and start going out with Kanuo. That leaves us Ami (obviously liking Ryuuji,) Minorin (most possibly liking Ryuuji,) and Taigo (possibly liking Ryuuji.) Ami seems like the most unlikely choice, but who knows? A surprise may be waiting for us. Unless the production studio is going to make a vague ending with everyone kind of happy but no one going out (Ichigo 100% comes to mind,) I say Taiga has as much chance as Minorin. I can't see how everyone can be truely happy in the end, but since it's not KyoAni/Key, I'm sure there is a way. I also realized that I'm a sucker for romance. I mean, I usually think I hate them, but that's why I love them. Kinda like Minorin's horror. I get all depressed after playing through a sad route in a visual novel, but if I don't get depressed, I feel like something is missing. Hate and love are so similar terms, eh? That said, I'm still in for KushiedaxTaiga yuri. Or a harem. Or both. Episode score: EPIC/5 |
DaBigDJan 26, 2009 1:01 PM
Jan 26, 2009 1:07 PM
#171
DaBigD said: EPIC. Will edit after I've calmed down. Edit: OK, so after calming down and reading the whole 9 pages (which is actually an accomplishment - not many episodes go past 5 or 6,) I agree with the rumor that Kushieda likes Ryuuji. And Ami seems to know everything, I'd like to know how. So far, I can see Kitamura going to Amerika after he graduates and start going out with Kanuo. That leaves us Ami (obviously liking Ryuuji,) Minorin (most possibly liking Ryuuji,) and Taigo (possibly liking Ryuuji.) Ami seems like the most unlikely choice, but who knows? A surprise may be waiting for us. Unless the production studio is going to make a vague ending with everyone kind of happy but no one going out (Ichigo 100% comes to mind,) I say Taiga has as much chance as Minorin. I can't see how everyone can be truely happy in the end, but since it's not KyoAni/Key, I'm sure there is a way. I also realized that I'm a sucker for romance. I mean, I usually think I hate them, but that's why I love them. Kinda like Minorin's horror. I get all depressed after playing through a sad route in a visual novel, but if I don't get depressed, I feel like something is missing. Hate and love are so similar terms, eh? That said, I'm still in for KushiedaxTaiga yuri. Or a harem. Or both. Episode score: EPIC/5 How about a Minorin/Ami yuri instead? I seriously think Taiga is out of the question. The more I thought on it, the more I didn't mind considering the last 3 episodes. ^_^ Their development currently is done around each other than the other players that's why. In regards to Kitamura/Sumire I have said before and completely agree with you. This last episode said to me that Kitamura/Sumire are most likely a pair. Kitamura publicly declared his feelings and later his feelings were returned when Sumire publicly admitted her own. I just can't see anything else going for Kitamura. There's really nothing keeping him from Sumire except for land mass and a body of water. A quick call or plane ride and everything is good. Not to mention she'll come back every summer and most likely during long holiday breaks. I just put them as a pair and ended that part of the story. His feelings were returned and there was nothing more to go there. As for Ami...she's mature...as a mature person she could read minds and actions. I just see her as a very aware character with lots of depth for all her superficial model looks. She's learned a lot being there and she's made friends. |
vaberellaJan 26, 2009 1:17 PM
Jan 26, 2009 1:30 PM
#172
I think this episode has been analysed enough already, so I'll spare you my long version. The fight was so Taiga. She wasn't sure of her mission, but she had to do it anyway! It was so brutal. Their poor beaten faces :( I think this is the best series I've seen for quite some time, and I can't wait until next week. FTGT said: Hey folks, I need your help. Can someone translate what is written on this poster and why this cute girl has to faint without a guy coming to catch her. I was going to post that myself! Anyone? |
Jan 26, 2009 11:18 PM
#173
vaberella said: I don't mind KushiedaxAmi, and I'd actually like it more than KushiedaxTaiga. The thing is, I don't think Ami and Minorin are (or will be) close enough for that to happen. I don't find either of them to be probable, but KushiedaxTaiga is more probable than KushiedaxAmi.DaBigD said: EPIC. Will edit after I've calmed down. Edit: OK, so after calming down and reading the whole 9 pages (which is actually an accomplishment - not many episodes go past 5 or 6,) I agree with the rumor that Kushieda likes Ryuuji. And Ami seems to know everything, I'd like to know how. So far, I can see Kitamura going to Amerika after he graduates and start going out with Kanuo. That leaves us Ami (obviously liking Ryuuji,) Minorin (most possibly liking Ryuuji,) and Taigo (possibly liking Ryuuji.) Ami seems like the most unlikely choice, but who knows? A surprise may be waiting for us. Unless the production studio is going to make a vague ending with everyone kind of happy but no one going out (Ichigo 100% comes to mind,) I say Taiga has as much chance as Minorin. I can't see how everyone can be truely happy in the end, but since it's not KyoAni/Key, I'm sure there is a way. I also realized that I'm a sucker for romance. I mean, I usually think I hate them, but that's why I love them. Kinda like Minorin's horror. I get all depressed after playing through a sad route in a visual novel, but if I don't get depressed, I feel like something is missing. Hate and love are so similar terms, eh? That said, I'm still in for KushiedaxTaiga yuri. Or a harem. Or both. Episode score: EPIC/5 How about a Minorin/Ami yuri instead? I seriously think Taiga is out of the question. |
Jan 27, 2009 3:32 AM
#174
JJW009 said: FTGT said: Hey folks, I need your help. Can someone translate what is written on this poster and why this cute girl has to faint without a guy coming to catch her. I was going to post that myself! Anyone? 魔=demonic/evil or something to like that 契约=contract/agreement の= 's 書= writting (eg. journal, publication, book) So that means something close to 'letter of the evil contract' For the words in yellow 'Aisak Taiga's *--covered by finger--* dream/intention to rule/dominate the school' or 'Aisak Taiga's *--covered by finger--* dream/intention of school domination' i suck at translating, sorry > < |
Jan 27, 2009 6:49 AM
#175
everything i want in an anime episode is here. drama, comedy, action and finally a happy ending. 10/5 |
Jan 27, 2009 12:27 PM
#176
id said: JJW009 said: FTGT said: Hey folks, I need your help. Can someone translate what is written on this poster and why this cute girl has to faint without a guy coming to catch her. I was going to post that myself! Anyone? 魔=demonic/evil or something to like that 契约=contract/agreement の= 's 書= writting (eg. journal, publication, book) So that means something close to 'letter of the evil contract' For the words in yellow 'Aisak Taiga's *--covered by finger--* dream/intention to rule/dominate the school' or 'Aisak Taiga's *--covered by finger--* dream/intention of school domination' Thank you so much!! That makes perfect sense. ^^ vaberella said: Did you read my post carefully? I said I've only gotten to Chapter 4 (that doesn't mean I've read chapter 4) of the First Volume which is possibly the middle/end of the first episode. I haven't read the whole thing to certify anything that is harem-like. Ami hasn't shown up yet, Kitamura said 1 line and Minorin just said 3. So no...nothing yet on that. However, my reference is for what I said where you're reading in the perspective of Ryuuji so you're getting Ryuuji's input. And he's different from the anime version from what I can see, ditto from what I've read of the manga which is chapter 13 of Volume which I've said in the past. So I'm no where and there are a lot of volumes. So as of right now...No, it's not harem and far from it. Further more for a story to be told in the perspective of one character doesn't diminish the entire story. If you pay careful attention to the anime it's already shown in Ryuuji's perspective and I don't find it harem like at all considering all the women were initially connected to Kitamura (and if there was a harem he would be in charge of it). SURPRISE! Another Button :D ..... ok ..... maybe not that funny... Apparently I didnt read your post carefully enough. I only focused on your statement that the novel is totally different and leaves the anime and manga in the dust. So somehow I assumed that you are more into the novel. I thought you would compare the whole show, but obviously you just meant the first episode. ;) In case of "harem/comedy": I didnt want to say that Toradora is a harem show. Its far from it (at least until episode 16). I just wanted to say that Toradora "would be" like so many other anime if it would center totally on the main character. And especially in the genre shool/comedy/harem most of anime focus on the main character and forget about the supporting "actors". It was meant as an example. ;) |
Jan 27, 2009 4:08 PM
#177
I've just watched the last 6 episodes in a straight row... and wow! 16 was fantastic. Some really well constructed character development, with so many twists and turns. To finish it off... an awesome apology letter! I still cannot work out Ami's motivation. She spends a lot of time playing people off against each other, but doesn't seem to be getting much back in return. She's more of a mystery than Minorin. |
Jan 27, 2009 4:51 PM
#178
Wow, this episode was absolutely AMAZING. I'd even go so far as to say it's one of the best episodes I've ever seen. |
Jan 27, 2009 6:23 PM
#179
FTGT said: id said: JJW009 said: FTGT said: Hey folks, I need your help. Can someone translate what is written on this poster and why this cute girl has to faint without a guy coming to catch her. I was going to post that myself! Anyone? 魔=demonic/evil or something to like that 契约=contract/agreement の= 's 書= writting (eg. journal, publication, book) So that means something close to 'letter of the evil contract' For the words in yellow 'Aisak Taiga's *--covered by finger--* dream/intention to rule/dominate the school' or 'Aisak Taiga's *--covered by finger--* dream/intention of school domination' Thank you so much!! That makes perfect sense. ^^ vaberella said: Did you read my post carefully? I said I've only gotten to Chapter 4 (that doesn't mean I've read chapter 4) of the First Volume which is possibly the middle/end of the first episode. I haven't read the whole thing to certify anything that is harem-like. Ami hasn't shown up yet, Kitamura said 1 line and Minorin just said 3. So no...nothing yet on that. However, my reference is for what I said where you're reading in the perspective of Ryuuji so you're getting Ryuuji's input. And he's different from the anime version from what I can see, ditto from what I've read of the manga which is chapter 13 of Volume which I've said in the past. So I'm no where and there are a lot of volumes. So as of right now...No, it's not harem and far from it. Further more for a story to be told in the perspective of one character doesn't diminish the entire story. If you pay careful attention to the anime it's already shown in Ryuuji's perspective and I don't find it harem like at all considering all the women were initially connected to Kitamura (and if there was a harem he would be in charge of it). SURPRISE! Another Button :D ..... ok ..... maybe not that funny... Apparently I didnt read your post carefully enough. I only focused on your statement that the novel is totally different and leaves the anime and manga in the dust. So somehow I assumed that you are more into the novel. I thought you would compare the whole show, but obviously you just meant the first episode. ;) In case of "harem/comedy": I didnt want to say that Toradora is a harem show. Its far from it (at least until episode 16). I just wanted to say that Toradora "would be" like so many other anime if it would center totally on the main character. And especially in the genre shool/comedy/harem most of anime focus on the main character and forget about the supporting "actors". It was meant as an example. ;) When I say the novel is completely different it's because it's written like a novel. So you hear what's in the thoughts in the character...and you fully understand the actions. I thought the anime was clear. But when you read the novel it's like I didn't know anything. Ryuuji's character is something shocking and very refreshing. The story all around has better depth in the novel rather than the anime or manga and what I read of the manga it is even less clear than the anime. I've even complained on other forums about the manga's translation. I like what I read I felt left a lot of wholes and the novel cleared up a lot of speculations and corrected things I assumed were correct. So based on what I have read and what I have seen of the anime....the novel is far more thought provoking and richer than anything else that's been produced. As for comparing the show. I am comparing what I've seen of the anime so far with the style that's been written for only the first episode. Meaning. The first episode could have been turned into 3 episodes based on the novel and to take in everything the novel explained in it's beginning. It sets up or foreshadows what to expect when comparing the later volumes and chapters to the episodes after episode one. It shows the anime is severely lacking in expression. A third is due to time constraints, another third is due to the lost in translation aspect of displaying emotion in anime, and the last third is to express thought processes carefully in an anime. So it's based on this foreshadowing that I made my statement. You just may not fully grasp my statement until you take the time out to read the novel yourself if you plan on doing it. But it definitely is far superior than the anime and makes the anime look like crap, unfortunately. The anime just gives good visualizations for those who want to make it a bit more "realistic". As for the harem quality. Unfortunately I still don't understand your meaning. Seeing something from the eye of the main character never forgets the supporting characters. Books like Catcher in the Rye, The Stranger, A Separate Peace, and several infamous works have a main focusing character but without the supporting characters you have no story. So if there is a failure, then leave the failure to the anime it self. But that won't happen in novels or books. Supporting characters enable us to define the main character....hence the reason they're supporting. So I mean, if you see a harem quality in some respect because there's a main I wouldn't assume that the anime reflection is in some way similar to a novel description. That's far from the case and definitely not absolute or even really possible. Because writers don't write like that. Even a book like I Am Legend, you have the "vampires" are fundamental in understanding the main. So no EVER forgets about supporting characters in the novel. And the anime far from does that and the anime is based entirely on the novel/manga...If you don't find it in the anime then you won't find it in the novel/manga. However there are things in the novel/manga you won't find in the anime. <----Actually there's a lot from what I've read. |
Jan 27, 2009 7:09 PM
#180
Jan 27, 2009 11:49 PM
#181
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/01/28/yu-gi-dora-kaiba-vs-minorin-battle-to-the-death/ Watch the video! I lol'd |
Jan 28, 2009 1:04 AM
#182
id said: That part confused me too; I'm sure they'll explain it in the next episode. But I did some research and from the comments I read on Kurogane’s Anime Blog, it seems that Minorin felt guilty for liking Ryuuji, because she thought that Taiga liked him also, but now that Minorin knows that Taiga likes Kitamura, that's why Ami asked her if her feelings of guilt were gone...I don't get it, what guilt (Minorin) is Ami talking about? Is it the guilt from secretly liking Kitamura but cheered Taiga on? Anyway, I don't think i need to say more, this episode is just great. Anyway, I agree that this episode was great. Definitely one of the best so far, although I wish we could see more Ami. ^^; |
Jan 28, 2009 4:29 AM
#183
Jan 28, 2009 10:41 AM
#184
Yea, I feel the same. I did feel a strong shift, though, in terms of storyline and character development. I just hope that the chemistry between everyone will remain consistent, in spite of it all. |
GreorgyJan 28, 2009 10:49 AM
Jan 28, 2009 11:34 AM
#185
Jan 28, 2009 11:58 AM
#186
Jan 28, 2009 12:26 PM
#187
vaberella said: As for the harem quality. Unfortunately I still don't understand your meaning. Seeing something from the eye of the main character never forgets the supporting characters. Books like Catcher in the Rye, The Stranger, A Separate Peace, and several infamous works have a main focusing character but without the supporting characters you have no story. So if there is a failure, then leave the failure to the anime it self. But that won't happen in novels or books. Supporting characters enable us to define the main character....hence the reason they're supporting. So I mean, if you see a harem quality in some respect because there's a main I wouldn't assume that the anime reflection is in some way similar to a novel description. That's far from the case and definitely not absolute or even really possible. Because writers don't write like that. Even a book like I Am Legend, you have the "vampires" are fundamental in understanding the main. So no EVER forgets about supporting characters in the novel. And the anime far from does that and the anime is based entirely on the novel/manga...If you don't find it in the anime then you won't find it in the novel/manga. However there are things in the novel/manga you won't find in the anime. <----Actually there's a lot from what I've read. *deep sigh*. It seems as if you over-complicate things here a bit vaberella. I just wanted to say that in many anime you get a lot information about the main lead character. Family, background, childhood, affectations etc. But the insight into the side characters is limited. For example: Girl 1: Likes the hero and is good with swords. Girl 2: Likes the hero and is good with axes. Girl 3. Likes the hero and can cast spells.... oh yeah, she can cook too. Guy 1: Is a good supporter and friend of the hero. He is not interested in the girls! These kind of "flat" characters appear very often in anime where the story focuses around the main character ==> Harem-Anime (not always....but often!). Therefore, "IF" Toradora would be focusing totally around Ryuuji and forgetting about its side actors, it would be like so many other ordinary shows. And browsing your first post about the novel, at first sight I thought the novel would be like that. Thats all I wanted to say... So again: Toradora is NOT harem and is NOT ordinary. Its deep, intelligent, stirring and has many threedimensional characters etc. And due to your statement, the manga and especially the novel seems to be the same or even better. By the way: Im reading the translation of the "Spice and Wolf" novel nowadays. Its the same as you describe. Due to the thoughts of the people there is a whole new dimension of the characters and the story. I love it ! ^^ |
FTGTJan 28, 2009 12:36 PM
Jan 28, 2009 12:26 PM
#188
not to mention their "ghosts" conversation, which I still think is the most important conversation of the entire series. |
Jan 28, 2009 3:53 PM
#189
eternal_blue said: Wow, this episode was absolutely AMAZING. I'd even go so far as to say it's one of the best episodes I've ever seen. yeah, that ^ 6/5. Before I thought this show was good. Now I'm going to put it in my favs. This is an AMAZING series. I think its pretty safe to say, I'm buying this series once it gets distributed over here. |
Jan 28, 2009 6:26 PM
#190
That was an amazing episode. The rather intense cat-fight didn't hurt either... |
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Jan 28, 2009 11:06 PM
#191
MiKu214 said: it seems that Minorin felt guilty for liking Ryuuji, because she thought that Taiga liked him also, but now that Minorin knows that Taiga likes Kitamura, that's why Ami asked her if her feelings of guilt were gone... I can see how this would make sense. Probably going to be my top 5 once it finishes airing, amazing episode one after another. just when you thought they will add in a filler and bring in some down time, they just pick up the story and move the plot even futher. |
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Jan 29, 2009 8:08 AM
#192
i can just say the handling of this episode was kinda unexpected.. saw the 'kitamura likes kanou' thing coming a mile off, and was scoffing at how quickly kitamura seems to change his mind: first after talking to takasu about kanou, then going back to not running for president, then suddenly deciding to run just because kanou told him to.. but i was totally caught off guard by his VERY public confession (he's got some real balls), and the way kitamura just stared up at the ceiling after kanou gave her ambiguous response was just fantastic. pandaman0529 said: Holy shit. Best episode of the season so far. Hands down, the emotional climax coupled with the epic fight was just awesome. So totally agree with you pandaman Can't wait to see how the minorin cliffhanger thing works out. Rating for this: off the charts |
Jan 29, 2009 9:06 AM
#193
FTGT said: vaberella said: As for the harem quality. Unfortunately I still don't understand your meaning. Seeing something from the eye of the main character never forgets the supporting characters. Books like Catcher in the Rye, The Stranger, A Separate Peace, and several infamous works have a main focusing character but without the supporting characters you have no story. So if there is a failure, then leave the failure to the anime it self. But that won't happen in novels or books. Supporting characters enable us to define the main character....hence the reason they're supporting. So I mean, if you see a harem quality in some respect because there's a main I wouldn't assume that the anime reflection is in some way similar to a novel description. That's far from the case and definitely not absolute or even really possible. Because writers don't write like that. Even a book like I Am Legend, you have the "vampires" are fundamental in understanding the main. So no EVER forgets about supporting characters in the novel. And the anime far from does that and the anime is based entirely on the novel/manga...If you don't find it in the anime then you won't find it in the novel/manga. However there are things in the novel/manga you won't find in the anime. <----Actually there's a lot from what I've read. *deep sigh*. It seems as if you over-complicate things here a bit vaberella. I just wanted to say that in many anime you get a lot information about the main lead character. Family, background, childhood, affectations etc. But the insight into the side characters is limited. For example: Girl 1: Likes the hero and is good with swords. Girl 2: Likes the hero and is good with axes. Girl 3. Likes the hero and can cast spells.... oh yeah, she can cook too. Guy 1: Is a good supporter and friend of the hero. He is not interested in the girls! These kind of "flat" characters appear very often in anime where the story focuses around the main character ==> Harem-Anime (not always....but often!). Therefore, "IF" Toradora would be focusing totally around Ryuuji and forgetting about its side actors, it would be like so many other ordinary shows. And browsing your first post about the novel, at first sight I thought the novel would be like that. Thats all I wanted to say... So again: Toradora is NOT harem and is NOT ordinary. Its deep, intelligent, stirring and has many threedimensional characters etc. And due to your statement, the manga and especially the novel seems to be the same or even better. By the way: Im reading the translation of the "Spice and Wolf" novel nowadays. Its the same as you describe. Due to the thoughts of the people there is a whole new dimension of the characters and the story. I love it ! ^^ I'm far from complicating anything when the problem is you didn't explain yourself clearly which I even stated in my post. You made a statement but I definitely did not understand where you were coming from and what it meant; so I gave several explanations depending on the directions you were going. A novel is NOT an anime, so for you to assume what you did would not work considering that they are inherently two different things. So when a novel is written it's unlikely to assume that it would fall into the same level of a an anime, since it is most likely to delve into the mindset of the characters more. An anime is trying to COMPRESS much of what is written in a novel. This is why I also clearly stated that the novel is more indepth. I also stated that when we see Ryuuji as the focus we're seeing everything through his eyes. I mainly say that because it's just rather unusual to think that a book would have an anime feel...when it's not an anime, to have the problems you suggest about side characters. Taiga then would be a side character and get no recognition since the anime, once again, is a reflection of the novel/manga. As for your last statement on Toradora! You write as though the anime came first. NO! The anime is a reflection as I stated before of the novel/manga. The novel is a deeper indepth look into the characters and through the eyes of Ryuuji, the manga is as well. They were so popular and fit everything you described it as since it's popularity earned it a place into the anime genre....which is a hit. Somnia said: Angelofspawn said: Minorin hasn't shown any feeling thoward Takasu so far... :s She's shown quite a few, actually. The most notable one being the picture of when they crossed the finish line together. I would say most of the time it deals with her rejecting Ryuuji's advances. The "ghost" conversation was rejection one. The "lesbian" statement was rejection two. The "picture" statement to clarify why she's choosing it was rejection three. Minorin has made it a point to reject Ryuuji periodically. |
Jan 29, 2009 11:40 AM
#194
vaberella said: I'm far from complicating anything when the problem is you didn't explain yourself clearly which I even stated in my post. You made a statement but I definitely did not understand where you were coming from and what it meant; so I gave several explanations depending on the directions you were going. A novel is NOT an anime, so for you to assume what you did would not work considering that they are inherently two different things. So when a novel is written it's unlikely to assume that it would fall into the same level of a an anime, since it is most likely to delve into the mindset of the characters more. An anime is trying to COMPRESS much of what is written in a novel. This is why I also clearly stated that the novel is more indepth. I also stated that when we see Ryuuji as the focus we're seeing everything through his eyes. I mainly say that because it's just rather unusual to think that a book would have an anime feel...when it's not an anime, to have the problems you suggest about side characters. Taiga then would be a side character and get no recognition since the anime, once again, is a reflection of the novel/manga. As for your last statement on Toradora! You write as though the anime came first. NO! The anime is a reflection as I stated before of the novel/manga. The novel is a deeper indepth look into the characters and through the eyes of Ryuuji, the manga is as well. They were so popular and fit everything you described it as since it's popularity earned it a place into the anime genre....which is a hit. I will leave it at that. Just a well-meant advice: If you go on and "dismantle" every post someone has written and be picky about small details and words, it looks as if you want to show this person how stupid he is. And unfortunately that leads to anger.... ;) |
FTGTJan 29, 2009 2:04 PM
Jan 29, 2009 4:13 PM
#195
FTGT said: vaberella said: I'm far from complicating anything when the problem is you didn't explain yourself clearly which I even stated in my post. You made a statement but I definitely did not understand where you were coming from and what it meant; so I gave several explanations depending on the directions you were going. A novel is NOT an anime, so for you to assume what you did would not work considering that they are inherently two different things. So when a novel is written it's unlikely to assume that it would fall into the same level of a an anime, since it is most likely to delve into the mindset of the characters more. An anime is trying to COMPRESS much of what is written in a novel. This is why I also clearly stated that the novel is more indepth. I also stated that when we see Ryuuji as the focus we're seeing everything through his eyes. I mainly say that because it's just rather unusual to think that a book would have an anime feel...when it's not an anime, to have the problems you suggest about side characters. Taiga then would be a side character and get no recognition since the anime, once again, is a reflection of the novel/manga. As for your last statement on Toradora! You write as though the anime came first. NO! The anime is a reflection as I stated before of the novel/manga. The novel is a deeper indepth look into the characters and through the eyes of Ryuuji, the manga is as well. They were so popular and fit everything you described it as since it's popularity earned it a place into the anime genre....which is a hit. I will leave it at that. Just a well-meant advice: If you go on and "dismantle" every post someone has written and be picky about small details and words, it looks as if you want to show this person how stupid he is. And unfortunately that leads to anger.... ;) Leave it at that. But I stated very clearly that I did not understand your statement. That's far from me making you or anyone feel stupid. If I can't understand what you're saying then....what do you expect? Either I go into detail in the different avenues your statement could mean. Keep in mind, that language is important in expressing yourself. If I don't get it, then I don't get it. I said that. If you didn't understand something I said, I would have gladly expanded on it to see if I could make it clearer as I had done in several of my comments to you. I'm not trying to make you feel stupid, however if you're intending on having a conversation make sure it made sense. If were were talking face to face or on the phone, I'm sure there wouldn't have been a misunderstanding because I would have asked for clarification. If someone needs clarification and asking for such is such a problem that it would lead to anger...well I do know I wasn't angry. |
Jan 30, 2009 1:51 AM
#196
Nice episode I'll definetely watch it a second time. Taiga and her wooden sword was awesome,she's so brutal XD The drop in animation quality in the fight scenes was total ugly,why hadn't they used the normal animatiion style. It looked horrible |
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Jan 30, 2009 10:38 PM
#197
Jan 31, 2009 12:13 AM
#198
Jan 31, 2009 2:32 PM
#199
BEST EPISODE YET. |
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Jan 31, 2009 3:28 PM
#200
Naruleach said: BEST EPISODE YET. I second that. |
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