So I'm a Spider, So What? (light novel)
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Red_Ranger_Wien said: Janethan23 said: "What's a matter? Too thinky thinky for ya?" I just love the fact that this anime is actually challenging a good number of viewers to actually think and not be spoon fed information like most animes have done. Some of them are still trying to figure it out when it's already clear as day with some revelations yet to come. It's honestly not challenging at all. It spells everything out pretty blatantly except for the question of "Is Kumoko the demon lord?" Good for you then, it took me a couple of episodes I don't read source materials btw back then to piece them together. The 15 year time gap is what's getting most people and also what Kumoko really looks like. |
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linkhuesitos said: the novel does have scenes like baby shun and julius says 10 years instead of 15 so there's still plenty of clues to pick upAure0lin said: i thought the same way but there are still ppl on the internet who think the show's not being blatant enough about split time periods Julius and Ronandt blatantly saying "15 years ago" is something that the anime added. I mean it's also not that difficult to notice in the novel but the visual help of the anime helps a lot... though some people still don't catch it. It doesn't matter the novel keeps hinting it for some time even after this point. |
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Siegfried10 said: You can complain about Shun's side being generic all you want, it still isnt a harem. You simply do not know how to use the word. Also, the teacher hasnt being "forgotten". The teacher isnt supposed to appear to much at first because she is involved with the elves and what they are doing and Shun isnt involved there yet. She doesnt have a PoV because you as a reader/watcher are supposed to start learning the revelations of whats happening in that world alongside Shun. The teacher will appear soon, like in 1 or 2 episodes, once the shitfest starts. Of course, they will start appearing again when Shun goes somewhere. They follow him around. In this episode, Shun met his father and his older brothers, it's logical for him to go alone to that meeting. |
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| The master of the house has returned Oooh, I loved that. I got goosebumps at that moment. I rewatched that part a couple of times. I know what's going to happen during this entire series but getting this stuff animated is amazing itself. |
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| Eh, I thought the Kumoko parts of the episode were more interesting than the human side this time around. |
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swordmaster2551 said: "implied" is kind of strong, the most the anime has shown so far is that katia is friendly with shun and one of kanata's friends joking that he's into guysAure0lin said: you wouldnt know this unless you read the novel, and by your own admission the novel emphasizes that shun does not have a harem what? I thought it was made clear over the anime the redhead was one of his best friends and they implied that he liked shun. Maybe I just imagined it |
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beast_regards said: To be exact, Shun is currently presented as an antagonist. As a weak one but still as an antagonist. That is non-generic already, though it won't be the last non-generic feature of his "heroic" journey. Pandol said: I don't get how Shun is a harem protagonist, poor guy being hated wrongfully here because seriously he is not like those harem guys and don't collect girls left and right just chillin with his sister and best buddy from his previous life Except he behaves and is presented as a generic harem protagonist. He is a bland, generic guy without any real personality surrounded by attractive women with practically no effort from his side. Practically all characters, if I don't count Hugo as his rival, are female. You can argue they aren't really attracted to him, but the show doesn't hammer this home, so everyone who didn't read the novel thinks of him as a harem protagonist. Because a lot of things simply makes sense only because you've read the novel Aure0lin said: I assumed that people would get it after ep 9, but it looks like many people are still confused even after this one. I stand corrected.Red_Ranger_Wien said: i thought the same way but there are still ppl on the internet who think the show's not being blatant enough about split time periodsIt's honestly not challenging at all. It spells everything out pretty blatantly except for the question of "Is Kumoko the demon lord?" |
| Took me a while to notice that in this episode what they were facing in battle was Kumoko. I got a little confused with these skips between present and past. I don't remember this in the Manga, but the Manga doesn't take the Human's point of view almost at all so all of this really confused me. Also, I have a doubt here, when Julius went to the Labyrinth didn't he face a spider very similar to the one we saw right in this episode? And, I believe there was a time where the spider got scared of something, was it the Demon Lord (maybe present Kumoko) not allowing that spider to kill Julius? |
Fnights said: wow, she really looks entirely different in a human's perspective, well off to her next evolutionDamn, animators trolled me hard, believe anime faces were her true face but no, she is a true monster in the eye of the other beings, why the animators do not use the monster face? Anime face is really odd and out of place, her true form was so evil cute and precious (and more close to the manga). >_>  Really, anime form is a crap with this stupid pig face and ears. T_T |
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| Kumoko versus that sorcerer was just a child's play for her! damn! great story telling! good thing sorcerer survived and lived to tell the tale! 5/5. |
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| Difference between light novel and this episode before and a small part during when Ronandt faces off before Kumoko. Anime; 30-ish soldiers, 1 guide, Ronandt and the summoner. LN; 30 soldiers, 4 guides, Ronandt and the summoner Anime; Caught on the spiderweb = Soldier, Summoners sword got stuck. LN; Caught on the spiderweb = A guide, a second guides sword got stuck. Anime; Kumoko is basically pure white as a monster. LN; Kumoko is black with white back. (possibly white spotted back, don't quite remember) Might be shown in next episode or later, weird that it hasn't been shown yet: Couldn't they have even done that right? Honestly, check out the light novel when the series is over. So so so much more info about everything. I say this after every episode. |
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npandey said: Panzer92 said: It's pretty clearly hinted that the monster who destroyed fortress (and probably killed hero) is Kumoko. Which means does not become demon lord... On the other hand it's also hinted she is demon lord in future. So one is bait. Anyway, great episode. At last we get to see how strong she actually is. And it sure is much stronger than I expected. If she is already at that level 15 years in the past, I'd love to see her classmates reaction when they finally meet. I'm also happy she just wiped those humans like any other enemy. Was it really her??? ARe you sure?? I dont want her to become a mindless murderer No, I'm not sure. I wrote that hints go two ways. Also, someone pointed out that with her evolution patch she can't become tarantec queen. And how is killing enemy at war a mindless murder? We already saw her killing a bunch of humans anyway. |
npandey said: Panzer92 said: It's pretty clearly hinted that the monster who destroyed fortress (and probably killed hero) is Kumoko. Which means does not become demon lord... On the other hand it's also hinted she is demon lord in future. So one is bait. Anyway, great episode. At last we get to see how strong she actually is. And it sure is much stronger than I expected. If she is already at that level 15 years in the past, I'd love to see her classmates reaction when they finally meet. I'm also happy she just wiped those humans like any other enemy. Was it really her??? ARe you sure?? I dont want her to become a mindless murderer How is killing a bunch of people that just burned down your home mindless murder? Anyway the Ln goes into a bit more detail but just in case |
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ac_eren said: I really enjoy Kumo-chan different "personalities" they're so funny XD I really want to see an anime with only Kumo-chan on it, I got bored whenever human characters talk :( She's Siegfried10 said: beast_regards said: Except he behaves and is presented as a generic harem protagonist. He is a bland, generic guy without any real personality surrounded by attractive women with practically no effort from his side. Practically all characters, if I don't count Hugo as his rival, are female. You can argue they aren't really attracted to him, but the show doesn't hammer this home, so everyone who didn't read the novel thinks of him as a harem protagonist. Because a lot of things simply makes sense only because you've read the novel I mean, he was made generic but in his defense he can hardly count being surrounded by "attractive woman" as an achievement or a harem. One of those was a guy (and a best friend of his) in his previous life, one other is his sister, other is a classmate that reincarnated into a dragon, other is a classmate that reincarnated into a religious fanatic and the last one is his former teacher. Shun doesnt really have a harem, just female friends or acquaintance. You dont need to read the novels to know that he doesnt have a harem, you just need to know the correct definition of a harem. ar1sh said: What volume the anime is currently adapting? Volume 3 I agree well kinda, Shun for me is bland kinda boring he has no personality say look at our spider girl shes bursting with energy passion she's definitely got a personality but shun is just a bowl of plain oat meal no flavor just there really with his annoying lil sister who can't leave her brother alone i know some people enjoy these guys but i find em meh I prefer the spider girl doing her thing and the demons/admins seems so interesting I think what they should have done was make a spin off focused on Shun and his people and have it link up with the main story like how my certain magical index does it |
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_Jougo_ said: [I think what they should have done was make a spin off focused on Shun and his people and have it link up with the main story like how my certain magical index does it I get why people think that and say this, but it wouldn’t work. |
RarkisMar 14, 2021 5:44 PM
| This damn show just keeps on impressing with every episode.Even better was the fact that the TL version I watched finally had the op/ed lyrics in english,and that end song is even better than I first thought. As for Kumoko being evil now,I don't think she is,she was just defending herself from an attack on her home by humans. As for her personalities,they are bloody hilarious,and I love how sometimes they seem to be arguing,and next all in synch. Can't wait for her evolution to Ede Saine,dying to see what that looks like(though,it'll still be our little Kumoko,op as hell,but cute as fuck,and thats coming from someone who's a confirmed(house spider,you know,those long legged bastards that always turn up when you least expect it)semi arachnophobe :) |
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| althought i know kumoko is big, it's still strange seeing her like that, also kumoko filed a complaint is a right move, nice try kumoko |
| forgot to say.. now that the ending song is translated.. had a nice laugh at the part of the lyrics where Kumo says.. "you will pay for this Administrator D!". lol |
| For a second i confused about the Spider, so that's how Kumoko looks like to the Human... Now it's confirmed Kumoko POV was 15 years in the past... |
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| So she is actually kind of evil... damn |
Duarpeto said: Holy shit, how dense can someone be? You are purposefully being dense, right? Please? We are clearly following Shun around wherever he goes, but just because we are following him it does not mean that the world we see is revolving around him. Even if you only see certain characters when they are with him, it does not mean that they are not doing their own thing when they aren't on screen. We had so many scenes with Shun where Oka was nowhere to be found. How does that possibly mean to you that she is only there for Shun? Do you have no object permanence, and can't tell that she still exists somewhere in the world even when you aren't looking at her? What about Fei? In episode 9 we clearly see that while Shun was in class she was off in the forest doing her own thing, does that mean nothing to you in terms of her independence? Yuri also has been absent from some scenes and been shown kinda doing her own thing in others. Does the show really need to tell you word for word how these characters spend their time for you to think of them as independent people in the world? And most of all, just because we see female characters hang out with Shun, how can you possibly assume they're part of his harem or anything like that? That says a lot more about you than it does of the show, literally nothing has been shown that would support that except a little bit for Katia and maybe Sue if you stretch the definition of a harem. If anything, the opposite has been shown so far with Shun's interactions with everyone else. Are they doing anything of importance? If yes, why actually isn't shown in the anime? It's nice that Shun doesn't have to walk Fei to the forest, but she doesn't seem to have a real agenda of her own. The same applies to other girls. The teacher clearly has an agenda of her own, but the show forgot about her. I bet this is actually another part of the light novel you know about but the anime left out as they didn't have enough time to show all the characters and simply went for Shun as an audience surrogate so people who don't relate to the Kumuko won't drop. |
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| The passing of such a beloved and well respected hero is indeed a tragedy beyond measure. Still Schlain sure has quite a number of elder a few of which look far from trustworthy. For Schlain who really looked up to his brother his loss must be painful beyond measure. In the past Ronandt was quite the hothead. But the white spider proved to be far more formidable of a foe than even he could have predicted back then. Overall an interesting ep that while featuring the mc only sparingly also did well to showcase the kind of struggle that Schlain is going through in the aftermath of the death of his hero and dear brother and him being pressed the unwelcome mantle of being the next hero. |
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Duarpeto said: And I am not saying anything that isn't in the anime itself, yeah the novel is better but the adaptation is good so far, even if a few details are missing Katia is the only one whose character has been meaningfully less developed so far, and that's to make time for more Kumoko. Shun's time has also been cut from what it could've been if they truly wanted to appeal to the audience or anything like that, that's just senseless bullshit. I've read the manga, and they left out Shun & not-harem part entirely, and the story works just perfectly, there is a sense of mystery as Kumuko isn't really able to understand humans' language and she knows nothing about the world she found herself in, and the reader could learn everything just as she does. Shun's half of the anime is a waste of time, it should have been a spin-off series instead of just stealing the time from the main show. Novels may have a reason why they are there, but for anime, and visual medium for what matters, they are distractive and don't fulfill any reason other than a paralel processing requires for two stories sent in two different timelines with different characters. Anime have them there because anime has to sell merchandise and Kumuko in a spider form isn't a good material for hug pillow. |
beast_regardsMar 15, 2021 1:31 PM
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beast_regards said: You can't understand 3d chess if you only cover 1 dimension. That's why the human side is important.Duarpeto said: And I am not saying anything that isn't in the anime itself, yeah the novel is better but the adaptation is good so far, even if a few details are missing Katia is the only one whose character has been meaningfully less developed so far, and that's to make time for more Kumoko. Shun's time has also been cut from what it could've been if they truly wanted to appeal to the audience or anything like that, that's just senseless bullshit. I've read the manga, and they left out Shun & not-harem part entirely, and the story works just perfectly, there is a sense of mystery as Kumuko isn't really able to understand humans' language and she knows nothing about the world she found herself in, and the reader could learn everything just as she does. Shun's half of the anime is a waste of time, it should have been a spin-off series instead of just stealing the time from the main show. Novels may have a reason why they are there, but for anime, and visual medium for what matters, they are distractive and don't fulfill any reason other than a paralel processing requires for two stories sent in two different timelines with different characters. Anime have them there because anime has to sell merchandise and Kumuko in a spider form isn't a good material for hug pillow. |
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xorion said: That argument is like saying Lord of the Rings would be a better story without the hobbit side, or Game of Thrones would be better without the different perspectives. You are coming in at this from an ignorant point of view and those words will not age well. Saying the manga "works just perfectly" without the human side is just wrong. Any gravity and payoff to certain revelations is completely lost, and the story loses quite a bit of depth that it has in the ln and that the anime will have as long as it continues to be adapted well. There is plenty of mystery in this story, both in the anime and in the novel, and if you refuse to be open minded that's on you, not the anime. Shun isn't stealing time from the main show, he plays an integral part in the story. He is an unreliable narrator, and this is why we have an incomplete picture of the things going on around him. Since he doesn't know things, we as an audience also don't know them. He gives us a glimpse into the human side. The pieces missing will be answered as time goes on. The Game of Thrones analogy doesn't work, this anime doesn't have the time and money GoT had. You can make entire seasons of anime with just one GoT episode budget. Anime doesn't have this money, and should think more about what it does with its money. Lord of the Rings doesn't have too many non-Hobbit viewpoints, they are a few, but they are rare and far between. Anime in general usually do have this ratio too, with only brief scenes outside a pure view of the protagonist. Kumo is different than most anime, it not only wastes 50% of its runtime on Shun, it also tells the story in a non-chronological matter which only confuses things more for no reason, and only demands the audience to look for answers elsewhere. Anime as an advertisement is a bad practice. |
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beast_regards said: Anime have them there because anime has to sell merchandise and Kumuko in a spider form isn't a good material for hug pillow. yeah, and they won't have poster girls for Dengeki G anime magazine and other similar merchandise if Shun's female classmates aren't in this show. |
beast_regards said: xorion said: That argument is like saying Lord of the Rings would be a better story without the hobbit side, or Game of Thrones would be better without the different perspectives. You are coming in at this from an ignorant point of view and those words will not age well. Saying the manga "works just perfectly" without the human side is just wrong. Any gravity and payoff to certain revelations is completely lost, and the story loses quite a bit of depth that it has in the ln and that the anime will have as long as it continues to be adapted well. There is plenty of mystery in this story, both in the anime and in the novel, and if you refuse to be open minded that's on you, not the anime. Shun isn't stealing time from the main show, he plays an integral part in the story. He is an unreliable narrator, and this is why we have an incomplete picture of the things going on around him. Since he doesn't know things, we as an audience also don't know them. He gives us a glimpse into the human side. The pieces missing will be answered as time goes on. The Game of Thrones analogy doesn't work, this anime doesn't have the time and money GoT had. You can make entire seasons of anime with just one GoT episode budget. Anime doesn't have this money, and should think more about what it does with its money. Lord of the Rings doesn't have too many non-Hobbit viewpoints, they are a few, but they are rare and far between. Anime in general usually do have this ratio too, with only brief scenes outside a pure view of the protagonist. Kumo is different than most anime, it not only wastes 50% of its runtime on Shun, it also tells the story in a non-chronological matter which only confuses things more for no reason, and only demands the audience to look for answers elsewhere. Anime as an advertisement is a bad practice. You do realize the Ln is also told in non chronological order, and the 1st 5 volumes are also very Shun/other reincarnations heavy. If anything the Manga isnt following the story |
ByonKun said: You can't understand 3d chess if you only cover 1 dimension. That's why the human side is important. It's not 3D chess. It's a puzzle. Puzzle when you mixed three boxes into one, and then burned half it. |
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xorion said: No, it doesn't demand that you look for answers elsewhere. If you want an analogy of a recent story that follows two points in time just look at the recent The Witcher tv show. That did the same exact thing as kumo. There's no reason why the GoT analogy doesn't work though, it's based off of a book. Lord of the Rings has MANY different perspectives that are important, including Aragorn, Gandalf, Saruman, etc... Also, there's more to the world of Middle Earth than TLoTR; look at The Silmarillion, for example. Kumo isn't written the way it is for "no reason." Just because you don't understand it YET doesn't mean it's arbitrary. Your arguments don't really stand, and you're coming from a place where you don't actually know anything. GoT events are told in a chronological order despite being a continent apart. Some apply for Lord of the Rings. Witcher Netflix season wasn't chronological, and people complained about it the same way I do now. |
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xorion said: Nonlinear storytelling is not something to complain about. Many stories go that route. It requires slightly more engagement, but it isn't that difficult to understand. If that's the only criticism you have that isn't based off of incomplete knowledge, you don't really have much ground for your argument. I won't have complete knowledge if I watch the anime. That's the point. I need to go to read the LN to figure out the mess with two protagonists, three timelines, and four different viewpoints, the number of which will only add up as anime goes on. Anime is never going to adapt LN from start to finish. The view will never be going to be complete in anime. It would be much better if anime told the story in a way it could be immediately understood even if the view is limited, as they know they aren't going to adapt the entire story anyway. I am tempted to continue this is a separate thread to just counting things anime starts without finishing |
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