Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari Episode 9 Discussion

FreezePeach said:
When somewone is stupid or ignorant there is nothing wrong with pointing it out. Especially if this someone is also an obnoxious prick. See, I don't have to admit anything, "just not that good" is your humble opinion and I disagree with it. It is just that simple. It never happened to you before?

It is, again, your opinion. There is nothing limiting in giving reader/viewer the same information as MC, it is a natural way to tell the story. Foreshadowing, as with Queen, her spies, etc, are few and far between, it was added in anime. If we were "hearing the amount of thinking he does in the LN" it would be unwatchable. It is not disappointing, it is absolutely natural for anime adaptation. So I can't really take seriously any advice you have about storytelling.

I read all officially translated novels so you can keep your explanations. We are discussing the anime, it changes things. Bonus chapters are just that, bonus. They are not essential for the story. Nothing in Melty's story in anime needs expansion or explanation.

Allifreyr said:


I'm not talking about him being an asshole or how he assumes stuff. Given his circumstances, nobody would consistently act that way. He has amazing powers and he just rushes the Shield Hero and openly attacks him without waiting for an answer, throwing his weapon around, destroying everything around him and putting people at risk all while not listening to anything.

Then he is surprised that he isn't acting like a hero, when it comes to bullies it usually boils down to dealing with problems by feeling superior or whatnot. The spear hero isn't doing any of this for that reason, he wants to play the hero but fails in doing so because he thinks if he can save "the damsel in distress" then he is the hero, while blindly assuming everything, being constantly wrong and never learning from his mistakes in the slightest.

This bothers me because in Ep. 1, the other 3 heroes all seem smart and collected. The spear hero on the other hand takes a 180° turn in episode 2-now and acts like a kids cartoon-dumb-failure-arrogant-asshole who can't even stop for 1 second to think.

Just all around poorly written (shallow)character that barely counts as a character, if anything he is a poorly written plot device who's main purpose is to cause trouble.

Also, there were many cute scenes with Filo and Melty alongside with Raph and Naofumi~ xD! I definitely enjoyed the part where they thought Filo ate Melty.
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bondtux said:
do i suppose to feel pity or confused to the shield hero?

Almost_Satan said:
will this show ever go back to the intense moments like we have seen in episode 1?

Allifreyr said:


This, there are several ways to write in obstacles for the protagonist but this just seems like lazy writing, at least give the rival/obstacle a semi-believable story for their actions and ask yourself "Is there a reason as to why the spear hero would act this way", what is his story and how can he be redeemed for his actions?

It also bothers me a lot that the shield hero becomes super dumb and assumes stuff out of the blue for the sake of creating drama/obstacles for him. It isn't exciting, I just *sigh* and ask "Please let this resolve quickly, this is super dumb and a waste of time." If he assumes that Melty is evil or can't be trusted because she is related to the other bitch AFTER hearing her out then shit... that's stupid. The episode ended on him straight out being an asshole(He can politely say not) to Melty for no reason.

I hope they don't spend the entirety of the next episode on that to be resolved, I either hope that she is actually evil and he "saw" through it or it resolves right away.

Allifreyr said:


This, there are several ways to write in obstacles for the protagonist but this just seems like lazy writing, at least give the rival/obstacle a semi-believable story for their actions and ask yourself "Is there a reason as to why the spear hero would act this way", what is his story and how can he be redeemed for his actions?

It also bothers me a lot that the shield hero becomes super dumb and assumes stuff out of the blue for the sake of creating drama/obstacles for him. It isn't exciting, I just *sigh* and ask "Please let this resolve quickly, this is super dumb and a waste of time." If he assumes that Melty is evil or can't be trusted because she is related to the other bitch AFTER hearing her out then shit... that's stupid. The episode ended on him straight out being an asshole(He can politely say not) to Melty for no reason.

I hope they don't spend the entirety of the next episode on that to be resolved, I either hope that she is actually evil and he "saw" through it or it resolves right away.

AzorAhai said:
Oh F@cking come on! I'm so rolling my eyes when shield hero gets YET AGAIN attacked by the spear hero and a bitch. It's getting annoying as hell and as repetitive as Team rocket appearing in Pokemon series. It's stupid and ridiculous! I'm already sick of this shit, what kind of writing is this? Isn't this show supposed to be mature? The score definitely implies it should be good, but it's not with this type of boring plot. Was i supposed to laugh at spear hero getting hit in the balls AGAIN? WTF?

P.S and can't Naofumi just F@cking chill once? Him being emo and mr."i hate/dislike/mistrust everyone" is also getting annoying as hell. The way he treats people he saves, the pope, the new loli. It's repetitive bullshit again and again... can't this show just move on?

1. Motoyasu and Malty have only "attacked" Naofumi 3 times over the course of 9 episodes and the until this episode, hadn't done so since the race in episode 5.

2. Lets see how trusting of others you are, after being falsely accused of rape by the one person who you trusted, since being summoned to another world. And being treated like a pariah by the king, soldiers, and plenty of the citizens. All within the first two weeks of you being in that world.

salbery755 said:
Melty is presented in this episode and if I am sincere I really liked her appearance, I loved her friendship with Firo, both look so lovely together. Naofumi still worried about the condition of Raphtalia, so he decides to go to the capital, but then Melty asks them to let her travel with them, at first Naofumi was not sure, but Raphtalia and Firo end up convincing him. It made me suspect that Shadow was spying on Naofumi's group, will that shadow be the escort that Melty mentions?
I loved the sequence in which we see the trip of the group together with their new companion, it gave a very cheerful atmosphere, and Firo Pouting face is so fuckin cute.
I laughed a lot when Naofumi and Raphtalia thought that Firo ate Melty, I still laughed at how Naofumi keeps thinking that way, hiding the evidence, nothing happened here. It must be extremely pleasant to sleep in Firo's plumage, Raphtalia was trapped by the softness of Firo's feathers.
Naofumi and his group arrive in the capital where they say goodbye to Melty, while Naofumi and Raphtalia go to church and it was to be expected that they would also discriminate the shield hero. The highest authority appears before Naofumi and praises him for his duel with the dishonest spear hero, but Naofumi demands the sacred water, although the price is very high, but despite that he cares more about Raphtalia's health more than anything else. It still bothers me that the stupid nun tries to cheat Naofumi, but at least the pontiff, despite being untrustworthy, makes them deliver the quality product they deserved at first.
What a way to make things worse, first a soldier in the capital chases them and then the clown with a spear makes his classic and stupid "show of the brainless puppet". The stupid Motoyasu believed that Firo was a new slave, and apparently he is a lolicon, but the fun was to see the new addition to his armor to protect his manhood. Motoyasu created a disaster with his attacks and to make matters worse, the filthy of Mal-bitch makes her appearance endorsing the fight of both heroes, but the party of the whore ends when Melty makes her appearance and stops everything. I have mixed feelings with Melty now that I know she is the younger sister of Mal-bitch, but on the other hand she made Motoyasu see how pathetic it was and always will be, he's not a hero, he's just Mal-bitch's toy.
Mal-bitch was put in her place by her younger sister just to mention her mother, the queen is beginning to please me along with Melty, although I'm still with my doubts about both.
Firo gives the final kick and destroys again the dignity of the pathetic Motoyasu, I hope he learns not to make fun of the fluffy Firo.
Melty wants to talk to Naofumi, but just by listening to the last name of the dirty family that made him go through the worst hardships, Naofumi makes it clear that he does not trust her and tells her to leave.
It seems that Naofumi and his group will be in serious trouble in the next episode, I hope that Melty is not involved, but I am sure that Mal-bitch will be the manipulator in charge of the disaster.

SSL443 said:

What does that have to do with her meeting them at random in the middle of the woods? If she was sent to the capital on urgent business she should have been in the capital, not faffing around with birds.

Also, I have to point out that just because someone is the heir apparent doesn't necessarily mean they are second in authority of the government. The notion of politics in this show follows kid pretend-play logic.

Allifreyr said:


It's not impossible, what if one of the "heroes" is actually quite smart and intimidating. He/she plans on overthrowing the kingdom after they defeat the waves, getting levels, following, support etc.. He/she would see the shield hero as a threat but can't fully take him out since he/she still understands that the waves are still hazardous and they need to defeat them first. Trying to lower the shield hero's standing from the shadow and being a general obstacle.

Maybe the shield hero would see through him/her and understand that he/she isn't really a hero or something like that.

That also means that when they eventually triumph over the waves then there is still a whole arc left about taking care of this hero turned villain who is now a threat to the kingdom even if people aren't aware of it yet. Idk, lots of ways to do this instead of creating super dumb character that is constantly being a pain in the ass without a real reason.

SSL443 said:

Why do people who already think it's good keep coming back to post how good they think it is? It's called having an opinion.

-Aincrad- said:


Everyone who's read the light novel says the next wave is gonna be crazy , which might be the next episode
If not, then episode 11
It will get better from that point again

AzorAhai said:
lol and that's supposed to mean "not that often"? Let's wait and see when the next encounter happens, resulting in Spear hero getting owned - again!
Hate the haters, not 99.9% people, part of whom CLEARLY support you! Naofumi already met enough GOOD people AS WELL, who respect him, yet he's still throwing tantrums and it's getting annoying. He can be always suspicious if he wants, but he decided to be a moron who's also always suspicious.

nightcrawlercyp said:
Monarchy has no real government.

SSL443 said:

Sure it does. Why argue if you're going to spout nonsense?

nightcrawlercyp said:
I did not spout nonsense. Maybe you are thinking about England but is not a monarchy in the original sense of the word. Also to explain the scene to you: Malty had a royal scroll from the king empowering her to make certain decissions in his name while Melty had one similar from the queen. Now since as explained in episode 1 this is a feminine line monarchy it means the queen is more powerful than the king thus Melty is more powerful than Malty. And again I uge you to research a bit history before speaking bs.

SSL443 said:

Right back at you bud.

nightcrawlercyp said:
Man I tried to be nice and explain things to you but it seems you are on this thread just to whine and troll.

nightcrawlercyp said:
I did not spout nonsense. Maybe you are thinking about England but is not a monarchy in the original sense of the word. Also to explain the scene to you: Malty had a royal scroll from the king empowering her to make certain decissions in his name while Melty had one similar from the queen. Now since as explained in episode 1 this is a feminine line monarchy it means the queen is more powerful than the king thus Melty is more powerful than Malty. And again I uge you to research a bit history before speaking bs.

Daniel_Naumov said:

Austro-Hungarian monarchy was a monarchy and had a full fledged government. Not that this or that has ANYTHING to do with this series. At all.

nightcrawlercyp said:
You are quite right. But I was refering to medieval times. Whenever the nobles become strong enough politically to govern instead of the monarch things generally went to shit as they become more and more corrupt. They should be at most advisers. I personally do not see this as a monarchy.Austro Hungary was a very strange state that should never had existed. In my opinion it was an abomination. But thank you for your answer. I appreciate constructive criticism.

SSL443 said:

What do medieval times have to do with this show?

nightcrawlercyp said:
Maybe the fact that Melromarc is a fantasy reimagination of an european kingdom in medieval times?! That is how I saw it at least.

nightcrawlercyp said:
Maybe the fact that Melromarc is a fantasy reimagination of an european kingdom in medieval times?! That is how I saw it at least.

SSL443 said:

Maybe. It's obviously a mashup of various styles, some medieval, some not. As such you can't really make an argument around a historical time period and have it be applicable to this series.

FuMomo-kun said:
There is a church here. I wonder how they'll cause problems.

Spear hero is also a lolicon? He really deserved the second kick!

Melty was an awesome character. She really sounds like a noble leader.

I feel bad for Melty but Naofumi's actions were understandable. Rather, I like that he doubted her. It's nice to see someone who learns from his mistakes. No one from the royal family have been nice to him. Myne had started by being nice, but then she betrayed him. It is logical to conclude (from Naofumi's perspective) that Melty would do the same.

I really did want to know what Melty had to say to Naofumi. Well, it will probably be mentioned soon.

BlackLatias said:
You don't have to downgrade them in the process though. No one needs to go to the level of an "obnoxious prick" if they simply voice their opinion. It doesn'z help your own statement. And I never said you have to admit anything, it was just generally speaking. You can still love a show and criticise it in the process. Of course I have different opinions from others, that is just a normal occurence.

BlackLatias said:
I never said they have to include his monologuing. It was just an example to show that they still limit the show itself, ...

BlackLatias said:
Well, some director thought the bonus chapter with the hot spring was super important to the story, so I just don't know what I should say about your "bonus chapters are just that, bonus'.

BlackLatias said:
I rolled my eyes again at the montage, but all in all it was better again.

FreezePeach said:
You wrote "but that doesn't mean you can't admit it does things just not good" - why would I do it if I disagree with it? You got this mentoring tone without any reason lecturing me how I "can't" admit things I have no any reason to admit. This is just silly.

Also, "downgrade"? There is no space or method for downgrading it. "Denigrate" maybe?

You said "we don't get to hear the amount of thinking he does in the LN, for example". The only way to represent it in anime is monologuing. And no, this is "just an example" where in your opinion they limiting something and I disagree with you. I specifically mentioned why, you keep insisting on "limiting" without any argumentation. You want some magical "the amount of thinking he does in the LN" without monologuing and this is, again, silly. Feel free to give an example of LN adaptation into anime which keeps "amount of thinking in the LN" without monologuing. You can't. No one is that dumb.

This is rather obvious. They doing good job splitting the story into self contained chunks. Part about the plant was short, dragging it for entire episode would be dumb. Next part is about the dragon, it wouldn't fit into the rest of the episode. Quite a few people consider it a "filler", nice-to-have feel-good chunk without major plot importance. Melty episode didn't need any padding, it was packed rather tight.

They do excellent work with the montages. They cover lot of less important parts of the story in a very limited time while splitting story into reasonably isolated chunks. Keep rolling your eyes all you want if it makes you feel better, these people understand storytelling much better then you ever will.

I can safely guarantee that the next two episodes that won't happen.

So get yourself a slice of crow pie before it gets cold.

And look up the definition of cynical. Naofumi has a clear cut case of being cynical .

Martin_Taylor said:
Oh man, Shield hero, I get your reaction, but you screwing up your royal support (which fairly, he doesn't even know about), not good idea. I didn't read LN or such, so I am quiet interest on what gonna be next, hope he doesn't lost his back up.

@Mullerio Well, Spear hero is self-righteousness prick, but he is kinda stupid and is being manipulated hard, I can't really hate him, even more so since race he is more of comedic relief. On otherhand, that b*tch behind him... I am interested in that character development you mentioned though.