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So I found this on reddit: Lmfao. Kodaka explained how they were turned into the Remnants of Despair ageeeeeeeesssssssssssss ago. |
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Rukoudiora said: Question: We all should know by the flashback in Side:Future that Junko trashes Juzo, but how exactly? Izuru is at the basement place and Mukuro too. Weird. I'm really starting to think the theory about the TV in Side:Future is true, but I'm just missing something. Would Ryota really be despair? Also good theory I saw on reddit was Munakatana personally recruited Seiko and helped her because he needed her to cure Chisa of despair? or something similar to that You should read danganronpa 0 to know how Junko will kick Juzo's butt. |
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Angry_Always said: So they're going with the brainwashing route... *sigh*. Gotta say I'm disappointed, I was really always interested in how the class were brought to despair, thought it'd be clever, intricate and hard hitting as even the best people can be turned by despair. Not such a cheap, uninteresting and characterless thing such as brainwashing. Such a shame... Sore wa Chigau Yo!!!!! If Junko did that, it would beat the very purpose of her brainwashing Chisa. She obviously has something else better planned for the rest of them to turn them into despairs. If you have read DR0, you would know that brainwashing techniques on students did actually happen. Also when Makoto and the others arrived in SDR2, they had explained about them were brainwashed by Junko. Brainwashing is just one of them. |
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Yehart said: So I found this on reddit: Lmfao. Kodaka explained how they were turned into the Remnants of Despair ageeeeeeeesssssssssssss ago. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW! |
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DarkwindJR said: Angry_Always said: So they're going with the brainwashing route... *sigh*. Gotta say I'm disappointed, I was really always interested in how the class were brought to despair, thought it'd be clever, intricate and hard hitting as even the best people can be turned by despair. Not such a cheap, uninteresting and characterless thing such as brainwashing. Such a shame... Sore wa Chigau Yo!!!!! If Junko did that, it would beat the very purpose of her brainwashing Chisa. She obviously has something else better planned for the rest of them to turn them into despairs. If you have read DR0, you would know that brainwashing techniques on students did actually happen. Also when Makoto and the others arrived in SDR2, they had explained about them were brainwashed by Junko. Brainwashing is just one of them. Did you just Naegi me? Or was that Hinata's phrase... can't remember. I sincerely hope it'll be something with Chisa and Hinami but honestly the allusion to the brainwashing and Ryota's guilt lead me to the suspicion the others will be tricked into being brainwashed nonetheless. I do find it funny it's Mikan again who is infected with despair as the rest remain unaware. In DR2 I remember that scene but I don't remember the word brainwashing. Even if they did, it still could take a variety of meanings, breaking them slowly would also be classed as brainwashing technically. It's just, what's the point of offering the question of 'how did these great people become despair?' if the answer's the same as if it were anybody else. Even the great Chisa has 5 seconds of awkward sexual shots before boom, she's despair. It's a waste of potential interesting character development IMO |
| Chisa I love her, easily one of my favorites out of this whole franchise. That neck bone breaking scene... So eerie. Imposter's real face was oddly satisfying. Chisa... Seeing her tortured like that was unbearable. So Chisa is brainwashed now... Somehow I have a hard time believing that. Is she going to brainwash Nanami, who's going to brainwash everyone else in return? I mean everyone listens to her, so they would listen to her "despair-ish" words, too, wouldn't they And that would certainly be far more despair-inducing than Junko doing it herself. This episode was really despair-ish... |
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DarkwindJR said: Rukoudiora said: Question: We all should know by the flashback in Side:Future that Junko trashes Juzo, but how exactly? Izuru is at the basement place and Mukuro too. Weird. I'm really starting to think the theory about the TV in Side:Future is true, but I'm just missing something. Would Ryota really be despair? Also good theory I saw on reddit was Munakatana personally recruited Seiko and helped her because he needed her to cure Chisa of despair? or something similar to that You should read danganronpa 0 to know how Junko will kick Juzo's butt. Oh? It was in the novel? Must have missed it |
Angry_Always said: DarkwindJR said: Sore wa Chigau Yo!!!!! If Junko did that, it would beat the very purpose of her brainwashing Chisa. She obviously has something else better planned for the rest of them to turn them into despairs. If you have read DR0, you would know that brainwashing techniques on students did actually happen. Also when Makoto and the others arrived in SDR2, they had explained about them were brainwashed by Junko. Brainwashing is just one of them. Did you just Naegi me? Or was that Hinata's phrase... can't remember. I sincerely hope it'll be something with Chisa and Hinami but honestly the allusion to the brainwashing and Ryota's guilt lead me to the suspicion the others will be tricked into being brainwashed nonetheless. I do find it funny it's Mikan again who is infected with despair as the rest remain unaware. In DR2 I remember that scene but I don't remember the word brainwashing. Even if they did, it still could take a variety of meanings, breaking them slowly would also be classed as brainwashing technically. It's just, what's the point of offering the question of 'how did these great people become despair?' if the answer's the same as if it were anybody else. Even the great Chisa has 5 seconds of awkward sexual shots before boom, she's despair. It's a waste of potential interesting character development IMO The brainwashing video is simply Junko's way to control the masses faster than going door to door and giving motives to each and every reserve course students. That would actually take a lot of time even with Izuru considering there 2300+ students in reserve course alone. It would have taken a lot too long for Junko to break Chisa with motives and that is why she just brainwashed her immediately with the killing video that had strobe light effects on endless repeat while tampering with the joy nerves and she never really cared about Chisa. Her aim was to use her to turn the Class 77 Ultimates into Ultimate Despairs. P.S. That was Naegi's phrase. |
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HyperL said: Yehart said: So I found this on reddit: Lmfao. Kodaka explained how they were turned into the Remnants of Despair ageeeeeeeesssssssssssss ago. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW! OH MAN! LOL Jokes on us then XD |
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Irrupt said: Oh. She thought it was okay to go back because of lol hope. When Nagito says "there's no chance" you listeeeeeen. -wags finger- Nah, Nagito was just testing them and would be disappointed if they had given up... |
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Yehart said: No, it wasn't. I think he's implying that the Junko that Juzo meets was Mukuro, but I'm very doubtful of that. With her analytic abilities, she can beat him without any problems.. |
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caio_ken said: Yehart said: No, it wasn't. I think he's implying that the Junko that Juzo meets was Mukuro, but I'm very doubtful of that. With her analytic abilities, she can beat him without any problems.. Oh right. Kinda forgot about that. |
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| I honestly thought the episodes aired on Fridays. My brain is messes up DX. Anyways, here is the transcription of Junko´s paper I took from the subs.: "Admission by recommendation by the Board of Directors is a special cse, but the board gurantees their talent. As such, admission to the 78th class is approved. Principal Jin Kirigiri and Scout Kohichi Kizakura must not involve themselves in this decision. As the principal oversees students after admission, the board bears no responsibility." On a side note.... Episode 1:  Episode 9 Sonia, what have you done.... |
| as the season is coming to an end..... I seee how we are moving towards the awful end....... I am kinda sad seeing all of this |
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| Well we already know the end of this anime, too much despair :( |
xD And this is why I should have gone and replay the game again due to memory problems, but yep, this simply connects to the anime xD |
HyperL said: Irrupt said: Oh. She thought it was okay to go back because of lol hope. When Nagito says "there's no chance" you listeeeeeen. -wags finger- [img]http://i.imgur.com/chN884r.png[img] Nah, Nagito was just testing them and would be disappointed if they had given up... She should of thought it through... The gun, the ultimate life form. :cry:  |
| After watching this episode I have an interesting theory for the mastermind of the futur arc: I think that Chiaki won't be killed off in Despair arc. If Junko wanted her dead she would have killed her right at the beginning, but she didn't. It's possible that Junkos brainwash-video sucsessfully turned Chisa to an despiar (with some help of Mukuro ^^) and they let Chisa go after Chiaki to turn her into a despair too. After that Junko makes the rest of the class become despairs and get them to help her spreading it over the world. But she had other plans for Chiaki and Chisa. Let's come to Chisa first: she could be a spy for Junko in the future foundation so she knew what these guys were up to. Chiaki on the other hand should stay hidden and manage the movements of the other despairs (as the class pres). After the events of Danganronpa 2 Chiaki and Chisa made their move to take revenge on the future foundation and break Naegi for killing off Junko. To do that Chisa manipulated Sakakura to be the traitor (maybe by sleeping with him). That would explain what Sakakura wanted to say to Munakata. But he already knew that from Tengan. That would explain their words. Like Junko did with Mukuro the two remnants desided to kill Chisa to bring despair over the future foundation. So as a summary: Chisa could be the traitor, Sakakura the attacker and Chiaki the mastermind. What do you guys think of that? It could be possible |
Yehart said: So I found this on reddit: Lmfao. Kodaka explained how they were turned into the Remnants of Despair ageeeeeeeesssssssssssss ago. the DR2 cast were always brainwashed, that was evident the moment nagito could barely reason whether he hated junko in chapter 0. nobody expected literal mindhacking and it went completely against junko's established MO |
| Nahhh i'm not gonna fucking lie, i can feel the despair 100% from this episode and from this anime. i mean, the despair is real. for example this episode. you saw what happened with Yukizome ? you saw it didn't you ?!?!?!? and think about it when all of her students went into that kind of treatment. i mean, all of them got into the trapped. Mikan is the traitor. but i'm still confused why they put Chiaki aside or tossed her aside rather than brainwashing her too. but seriously, the way they brainwashed peoeple, my god, that was so cruel af that i don't even want to imagine it any more, moreover imagining the students got brainwashed like that. freaking too cruel seriously. this episode got me hard tbh. looking foward to the next episode. "Chisa Yukizome doesn't smile" ?! oh hell yes. that fucking ending was so terrifiying. i mean that smile. i thought for the first time, she was okay but when i saw it again, fucking terrifiying AF seriously. she is not okay at all. and i'm very curious how she will get cured from that despair. shit is getting real. |
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TecoTek said: Durge93 said: After watching this episode I have an interesting theory for the mastermind of the futur arc: I think that Chiaki won't be killed off in Despair arc. If Junko wanted her dead she would have killed her right at the beginning, but she didn't. It's possible that Junkos brainwash-video sucsessfully turned Chisa to an despiar (with some help of Mukuro ^^) and they let Chisa go after Chiaki to turn her into a despair too. After that Junko makes the rest of the class become despairs and get them to help her spreading it over the world. But she had other plans for Chiaki and Chisa. Let's come to Chisa first: she could be a spy for Junko in the future foundation so she knew what these guys were up to. Chiaki on the other hand should stay hidden and manage the movements of the other despairs (as the class pres). After the events of Danganronpa 2 Chiaki and Chisa made their move to take revenge on the future foundation and break Naegi for killing off Junko. To do that Chisa manipulated Sakakura to be the traitor (maybe by sleeping with him). That would explain what Sakakura wanted to say to Munakata. But he already knew that from Tengan. That would explain their words. Like Junko did with Mukuro the two remnants desided to kill Chisa to bring despair over the future foundation. So as a summary: Chisa could be the traitor, Sakakura the attacker and Chiaki the mastermind. What do you guys think of that? It could be possible Thats a kinda interesting theory :D I love Chiaki so much, but oh man... This theory is VERY STRONG. Let's not forget the talents. Chisa = Ult. Housekeeping, AKA most likely "Mama Despair" to the 77th Class Survivors? Chiaki = Ult. Gamer. Since Junko is just a fashiontisia/analyst, maybe she NEEDS Chiaki's help to make the rules and the skeleton core of these "Mutural Killing" games. It would be oddly cute to see if Chiaki is also a game dev. (Just a random thought.) This entire series had 4th wall hints its crazy. DR1, 2, and UDG were games, which I think the entire bare bones of it could be Chiaki's ideas. DR3 is anime focused, and we see an Ult. Animator suffer so much, that I think he did these anime series as a message to the viewers of how horrible Junko and Despair was (without throwing up). Yea. I think I have gone to far, but you may never know after we see Yukizome sitting at the theater watching Despair Arc. (Also please keep up with the memes! I need some... "Cheering up" after watching this...) P.S. Sorry if I use "Ultimate" instead of "Super High School Level" titles. English localization made it easy to say and not a mouthful even if original tag is cool and fitting for Danganronpa-world. |
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People being salty about the brainwashing is soooooo despair inducing. Junko is probably really happy! (It was the idea from the beginning, the entire franchising is cheap lol pupupupupupupu) |
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Durge93 said: After watching this episode I have an interesting theory for the mastermind of the futur arc: I think that Chiaki won't be killed off in Despair arc. If Junko wanted her dead she would have killed her right at the beginning, but she didn't. It's possible that Junkos brainwash-video sucsessfully turned Chisa to an despiar (with some help of Mukuro ^^) and they let Chisa go after Chiaki to turn her into a despair too. After that Junko makes the rest of the class become despairs and get them to help her spreading it over the world. But she had other plans for Chiaki and Chisa. Let's come to Chisa first: she could be a spy for Junko in the future foundation so she knew what these guys were up to. Chiaki on the other hand should stay hidden and manage the movements of the other despairs (as the class pres). After the events of Danganronpa 2 Chiaki and Chisa made their move to take revenge on the future foundation and break Naegi for killing off Junko. To do that Chisa manipulated Sakakura to be the traitor (maybe by sleeping with him). That would explain what Sakakura wanted to say to Munakata. But he already knew that from Tengan. That would explain their words. Like Junko did with Mukuro the two remnants desided to kill Chisa to bring despair over the future foundation. So as a summary: Chisa could be the traitor, Sakakura the attacker and Chiaki the mastermind. What do you guys think of that? It could be possible Do you mean that Ruruka was killed by a ghost? Or Sakakura isn't dead? Or Nanami randomly stepped up and assumed the role of the now deceased Sakakura? I'm not sure I believe the whole "Nanami is the mastermind" theory right now. It feels "off" for some reason. |
Angry_Always said: DarkwindJR said: Sore wa Chigau Yo!!!!! If Junko did that, it would beat the very purpose of her brainwashing Chisa. She obviously has something else better planned for the rest of them to turn them into despairs. If you have read DR0, you would know that brainwashing techniques on students did actually happen. Also when Makoto and the others arrived in SDR2, they had explained about them were brainwashed by Junko. Brainwashing is just one of them. Did you just Naegi me? Or was that Hinata's phrase... can't remember. I sincerely hope it'll be something with Chisa and Hinami but honestly the allusion to the brainwashing and Ryota's guilt lead me to the suspicion the others will be tricked into being brainwashed nonetheless. I do find it funny it's Mikan again who is infected with despair as the rest remain unaware. In DR2 I remember that scene but I don't remember the word brainwashing. Even if they did, it still could take a variety of meanings, breaking them slowly would also be classed as brainwashing technically. It's just, what's the point of offering the question of 'how did these great people become despair?' if the answer's the same as if it were anybody else. Even the great Chisa has 5 seconds of awkward sexual shots before boom, she's despair. It's a waste of potential interesting character development IMO I'm surprised why more people don't share your mindset. I thought it was the standard expectation people would have after playing DR2. To those people who are making fun of us being salty about this brainwashing, its not the technique itself that we are disappointed at. Its the hints that were given throughout DR2 that Junko went deep down into their personal psyche and broke them. It became more evident if you spend the free time talking to them and getting to know their backstories and their fears. Hence we create this expectation ever since completing DR2. Now that DR3 has reached the point in showing how class 77 fell into despair, it looks like its gonna be disappointing. For those people saying Junko lied about how she turned them in to despair, well congratulations on having such low expectations on story telling. At least you guys can enjoy DR3 more than me. Well class 77 has not turned to despair yet so hopefully Junko has something special in-store for them but judging from what Junko told Chisa, it looks like thats not the case. |
TheLaw said: Angry_Always said: Did you just Naegi me? Or was that Hinata's phrase... can't remember. I sincerely hope it'll be something with Chisa and Hinami but honestly the allusion to the brainwashing and Ryota's guilt lead me to the suspicion the others will be tricked into being brainwashed nonetheless. I do find it funny it's Mikan again who is infected with despair as the rest remain unaware. In DR2 I remember that scene but I don't remember the word brainwashing. Even if they did, it still could take a variety of meanings, breaking them slowly would also be classed as brainwashing technically. It's just, what's the point of offering the question of 'how did these great people become despair?' if the answer's the same as if it were anybody else. Even the great Chisa has 5 seconds of awkward sexual shots before boom, she's despair. It's a waste of potential interesting character development IMO I'm surprised why more people don't share your mindset. I thought it was the standard expectation people would have after playing DR2. To those people who are making fun of us being salty about this brainwashing, its not the technique itself that we are disappointed at. Its the hints that were given throughout DR2 that Junko went deep down into their personal psyche and broke them. It became more evident if you spend the free time talking to them and getting to know their backstories and their fears. Hence we create this expectation ever since completing DR2. Now that DR3 has reached the point in showing how class 77 fell into despair, it looks like its gonna be disappointing. For those people saying Junko lied about how she turned them in to despair, well congratulations on having such low expectations on story telling. At least you guys can enjoy DR3 more than me. Well class 77 has not turned to despair yet so hopefully Junko has something special in-store for them but judging from what Junko told Chisa, it looks like thats not the case. It's not that I didn't had that mindset before this anime...But as soon as they announced the number of episodes I instantly threw that out the window, and I'm suprised not everybody did the same...I mean, come on, did anyone really think it was possible to the manipulation shit with only 12 episodes? Wanna know my opinion? I don't think they would be able to cover that not even with 24 eps, I think it would need at 3 or 4 cours with at least 3 episodes dedicaded for each one of the 77th class...In other words, I was not even a little disappointed by it because I wasn't expecting it in the first place... |
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HyperL said: TheLaw said: I'm surprised why more people don't share your mindset. I thought it was the standard expectation people would have after playing DR2. To those people who are making fun of us being salty about this brainwashing, its not the technique itself that we are disappointed at. Its the hints that were given throughout DR2 that Junko went deep down into their personal psyche and broke them. It became more evident if you spend the free time talking to them and getting to know their backstories and their fears. Hence we create this expectation ever since completing DR2. Now that DR3 has reached the point in showing how class 77 fell into despair, it looks like its gonna be disappointing. For those people saying Junko lied about how she turned them in to despair, well congratulations on having such low expectations on story telling. At least you guys can enjoy DR3 more than me. Well class 77 has not turned to despair yet so hopefully Junko has something special in-store for them but judging from what Junko told Chisa, it looks like thats not the case. It's not that I didn't had that mindset before this anime...But as soon as they announced the number of episodes I instantly threw that out the window, and I'm suprised not everybody did the same...I mean, come on, did anyone really think it was possible to the manipulation shit with only 12 episodes? Wanna know my opinion? I don't think they would be able to cover that not even with 24 eps, I think it would need at 3 or 4 cours with at least 3 episodes dedicaded for each one of the 77th class...In other words, I was not even a little disappointed by it because I wasn't expecting it in the first place... True. But I still had hope that they will follow through with what has already been established in the whole series. Wait did I just said hope? Thats so meta. Damn you Kodaka. Anyway have a look at this https://www.reddit.com/r/danganronpa/comments/51v5p5/despair_9_spoils_abound_for_everybody_who_wanted/. This guy managed to salvage how Junko actually managed to manipulate people in DR3 so far. Guess I have to lower my skyhigh expectations and try to enjoy the remaining episodes. |
TheLaw said: Angry_Always said: Did you just Naegi me? Or was that Hinata's phrase... can't remember. I sincerely hope it'll be something with Chisa and Hinami but honestly the allusion to the brainwashing and Ryota's guilt lead me to the suspicion the others will be tricked into being brainwashed nonetheless. I do find it funny it's Mikan again who is infected with despair as the rest remain unaware. In DR2 I remember that scene but I don't remember the word brainwashing. Even if they did, it still could take a variety of meanings, breaking them slowly would also be classed as brainwashing technically. It's just, what's the point of offering the question of 'how did these great people become despair?' if the answer's the same as if it were anybody else. Even the great Chisa has 5 seconds of awkward sexual shots before boom, she's despair. It's a waste of potential interesting character development IMO I'm surprised why more people don't share your mindset. I thought it was the standard expectation people would have after playing DR2. To those people who are making fun of us being salty about this brainwashing, its not the technique itself that we are disappointed at. Its the hints that were given throughout DR2 that Junko went deep down into their personal psyche and broke them. It became more evident if you spend the free time talking to them and getting to know their backstories and their fears. Hence we create this expectation ever since completing DR2. Now that DR3 has reached the point in showing how class 77 fell into despair, it looks like its gonna be disappointing. For those people saying Junko lied about how she turned them in to despair, well congratulations on having such low expectations on story telling. At least you guys can enjoy DR3 more than me. Well class 77 has not turned to despair yet so hopefully Junko has something special in-store for them but judging from what Junko told Chisa, it looks like thats not the case. The backstories, exactly. Akane's potential sexual abuse, Soda's betrayal, Mikan's bullying, the list goes on and on. Junko could have expertly manipulated and contorted them but she goes with a method that could be used on literally anybody and requires no knowledge of the person. I was also worried about episodes running out, which is why I've had these concerns for a while. My WORST fear is that it will end up with them all watching the video and becoming insane just from that. Such a cheap way to go. I sincerely hope something else happens, including Nanami most likely, to change what we think will happen. I think with Danganronpa we expect stellar story telling and this in particular was a very interesting plot point and I feel it is about to be short sold. A real shame if so. Even the complexity of the grape house/strawberry house case amazed me like nothing else before. So I have really high standards for DR. I also love the characters in class 77 so seeing them so meaninglessly converted to evil like a light switch will feel like an insult to their characters. I want to have hope but honestly I'm feeling pessimistic about how this will end. Seeing how Mikan and Chisa have already turned evil with little to no character development in the despair region at all. :( |
| Plot-twist: So, the teacher was brainwashed :/ Poor Nanami. She's going to lose all her classmates and become a woman in the process :o |
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Angry_Always said: TheLaw said: I'm surprised why more people don't share your mindset. I thought it was the standard expectation people would have after playing DR2. To those people who are making fun of us being salty about this brainwashing, its not the technique itself that we are disappointed at. Its the hints that were given throughout DR2 that Junko went deep down into their personal psyche and broke them. It became more evident if you spend the free time talking to them and getting to know their backstories and their fears. Hence we create this expectation ever since completing DR2. Now that DR3 has reached the point in showing how class 77 fell into despair, it looks like its gonna be disappointing. For those people saying Junko lied about how she turned them in to despair, well congratulations on having such low expectations on story telling. At least you guys can enjoy DR3 more than me. Well class 77 has not turned to despair yet so hopefully Junko has something special in-store for them but judging from what Junko told Chisa, it looks like thats not the case. The backstories, exactly. Akane's potential sexual abuse, Soda's betrayal, Mikan's bullying, the list goes on and on. Junko could have expertly manipulated and contorted them but she goes with a method that could be used on literally anybody and requires no knowledge of the person. I was also worried about episodes running out, which is why I've had these concerns for a while. My WORST fear is that it will end up with them all watching the video and becoming insane just from that. Such a cheap way to go. I sincerely hope something else happens, including Nanami most likely, to change what we think will happen. I think with Danganronpa we expect stellar story telling and this in particular was a very interesting plot point and I feel it is about to be short sold. A real shame if so. Even the complexity of the grape house/strawberry house case amazed me like nothing else before. So I have really high standards for DR. I also love the characters in class 77 so seeing them so meaninglessly converted to evil like a light switch will feel like an insult to their characters. I want to have hope but honestly I'm feeling pessimistic about how this will end. Seeing how Mikan and Chisa have already turned evil with little to no character development in the despair region at all. :( Looks like Nanami should be the key on them turning into despair. I could shrug off Chisa being brainwashed because it wasn't established before what happened to her. The main plot point of this whole series is the kids in class 77 so hopefully the main focal point in the next episodes would be developing their downward spiral to despair. Granted its only 3 episodes, they don't really need to go in-depth with their backstories because the details can be found in DR2. They just have to link the information or at least acknowledge it exists. I'm still surprised there wasn't more outcry on this compared to the "Komaeda didnt meet Hinata before DR2!!!111!!" cries last week. Granted it breaks the chronology of the series but it wasn't really a game-breaking change that alters the dynamics of the story. |
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taynis said: People being salty about the brainwashing is soooooo despair inducing. Junko is probably really happy! (It was the idea from the beginning, the entire franchising is cheap lol pupupupupupupu) Exactly. These dumbasses want less of the plot of the tragedy and world building but instead more of character developments than necessary that were already covered by the game lmao. |
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Manecleis said: Durge93 said: After watching this episode I have an interesting theory for the mastermind of the futur arc: I think that Chiaki won't be killed off in Despair arc. If Junko wanted her dead she would have killed her right at the beginning, but she didn't. It's possible that Junkos brainwash-video sucsessfully turned Chisa to an despiar (with some help of Mukuro ^^) and they let Chisa go after Chiaki to turn her into a despair too. After that Junko makes the rest of the class become despairs and get them to help her spreading it over the world. But she had other plans for Chiaki and Chisa. Let's come to Chisa first: she could be a spy for Junko in the future foundation so she knew what these guys were up to. Chiaki on the other hand should stay hidden and manage the movements of the other despairs (as the class pres). After the events of Danganronpa 2 Chiaki and Chisa made their move to take revenge on the future foundation and break Naegi for killing off Junko. To do that Chisa manipulated Sakakura to be the traitor (maybe by sleeping with him). That would explain what Sakakura wanted to say to Munakata. But he already knew that from Tengan. That would explain their words. Like Junko did with Mukuro the two remnants desided to kill Chisa to bring despair over the future foundation. So as a summary: Chisa could be the traitor, Sakakura the attacker and Chiaki the mastermind. What do you guys think of that? It could be possible Do you mean that Ruruka was killed by a ghost? Or Sakakura isn't dead? Or Nanami randomly stepped up and assumed the role of the now deceased Sakakura? I'm not sure I believe the whole "Nanami is the mastermind" theory right now. It feels "off" for some reason. I think Rurukas death could have some options: 1. Sakakura is alive, I mean he was the Super Highschool Level Boxer once, and killed her, but was too hurt (or maybe too pissed off by himself because of getting stabbed by Munakata) to kill her the way he killed the other members of the future foundation so he just slashed her body. 2. The mastermind got active himself to let Naegi think that the attacker is still there. The thing thats interesting with Rurukas death is that shes was killed in the same way Nagito killed himself in Danganronpa 2. (Stabbed in legs and arms and finally impregnated by an object in the chest, in her case the knife instead of a spear). On top of that the TV-monitor over her was red like Monokumas eye. I personally would go with idea no. 2 ^^ |
| Is Junko and her lackeys brainwashing people by plunging those metal sticks into their brains and scrambling things up? That would be the only "somewhat logical" reason these idiots would be following her every word. She doesn't seem powerful at all, if those people wanted, they could gang up on her and easily kill her. Great Imposter's real face wasn't as awesome as I thought it would be. I guess the ending is a somewhat spoiler of who could possibly be the traitor in Mirahen. |
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| Imposter was my highlight inn this episode......still the whole how Junko made everyone into despair lost its charm...........i mean my idear was always Junko made the class 1 by 1 into a despair. But now we have the ANIME IS LOVE ANMIE IS DESPAIR thingy going on.....i guess it makes sense but after all these years this way of storytelling feels kinda cheap. Nonetheless i enjoy the series so far. (There is still the thing deus ex Nagito knew everything is still not explained and probably will never be) Welp 2 Episodes for DespaiSide left and my guess Chiaki goes despair? But still HOW will we get a AI chiaki that saves everyone in DR2? I mean we have only 2 episodes left ?!? o.O??? I mean i know at this point the whole Ryoko Otonashi stuff will be skipped but we need the NeoWorldProgramm. Kodaka pls.... |
| Chisa is not the real one at the end, I wonder what will happen to Chiaki :/. It was a good thrilling episode as always, but the lobotomy part was hard to watch |
| Woah, man. When the Ultimate Imposter ripped it all off, I was not expecting that...LOL. And...I think it's basically been confirmed that Chisa is not who she was in the beginning, which implies that she is not the same person in the future arc. Now, a lot of us saw it coming...but I actually will be completely honest and say that I didn't really suspect Chisa of being brainwashed. I did, however, anticipate it being revealed that Chisa has a large part to do with what is happening in the future arc, and I think now it would make some sort of sense to assume this order of events: Tengan told Munkata who the real remnant of despair/traitor is and he mentioned Chisa's name. Tengan then asks if this bothers Munakata and what he is doing (basically eliminating everyone LOL), he replies no, but after their duel he clearly is disturbed by this information since Tengan cannot lie. This is why he goes up to Chisa, stabs her to make sure she is dead...which makes me wonder if he hadn't noticed all these years? He must have suspected something, knowing Munakata, since he was even able to correctly identify Junko as the person who started all the Izuru leaking plan and such. Is that possibly why they sort of 'drifted apart' in the sense that they address one another differently? I think an important thing to notice is that despite being brainwashed, they still hold on to their personalities and their thought process is skewed, but their values and beliefs remain. So, in Komaeda's case, when he is brainwashed, I would assume he is more willing to kill people and destroy the world in hopes that great hope will be born out of it. Not that much of a dramatic change, lol. So I figured, it must make the most sense that Chisa really still supported Munakata's ideals and beliefs, but still believed that there could be greater hope, improvement, made on Munakata's plans. That's why I think when she told Naegi that it would be great if ultimate hope was born by combining Munakata + Naegi's ideals, that it would be the best outcome. I think Chisa still genuinely advocates for this, but because she was brainwashed she uses despairing methods to fulfill this vision of hers: in other words, a final mutual killing game. Yet, I think that though her intention may be genuine, it has been skewed to the point of wanting the outcome to end in despair (both of them dying..perhaps?) instead of hope. Either way, her values have been skewed to the point of wanting to destroy hope...but secretly she wants them to cooperate? Not sure if that makes sense, but just my thinking process. I believe that Chisa is in a way forcing this outcome, by eliminating the interference (everyone else) and she is most likely the mastermind, or if not, has a large part in planning this game. Similarly, I think it would be strange now that we know that Chisa was brainwashed for Ryota to stand idle...he knows he is somewhat responsible for his classmate's falling into ultimate despair, so he must have at some point suspected Chisa. Tengan as well. They probably had some sort of plan to counter Chisa if she ever acted out, which she does...by this killing game, and want to execute this plan in order to change the outcome. |
EarlCielSep 10, 2016 9:51 AM
| @EarlCiel ther is also this clue that she may be the Monokuma maid from DR0. |
| Geez, these two... especially Junko, of course. Poor Chisa, though I still doubt she's the mastermind, despite what happened to her. I still believe she's dead and dealt with. |
AlliedWishes said: Poor Chisa, though I still doubt she's the mastermind, despite what happened to her. I still believe she's dead and dealt with. It's not necessarily what I believe, but she could be the mastermind and be really dead at the same time. The Final Killing Game doesn't seem to require that much supervision imo. It's as if there is no one pulling the strings. |
Manecleis said: AlliedWishes said: Poor Chisa, though I still doubt she's the mastermind, despite what happened to her. I still believe she's dead and dealt with. It's not necessarily what I believe, but she could be the mastermind and be really dead at the same time. The Final Killing Game doesn't seem to require that much supervision imo. It's as if there is no one pulling the strings. Huh. What a way to think outside the box. I like that theory. I find it rather insightful. The Monukuma could be pre-programmed by her when it comes to that thinking. If this is shown as being true, I'd still be surprised, but entertained. |
KK_VANTAS said: AlliedWishes said: Huh. What a way to think outside the box. I like that theory. I find it rather insightful. The Monukuma could be pre-programmed by her when it comes to that thinking. If this is shown as being true, I'd still be surprised, but entertained. so... not only copying the bracelet with sleeping drugs, but the "i might be dead at this point, but this is an pre-recorded msg in an automatic game" stuff from zero time dilema... i keep saying that if chisa was still alive as the MM, it would b borring... BUT copying the zero time dilema stuff would be WAY more borring. I have no idea what zero time dilemma is. |
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